Major Media EC Maps Ticking Over 270

by: Daniel De Groot

Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 23:45


Chris' note that the big media sites were refusing to acknowledge Obama being above 270 EC votes by any reasonable polling analysis methodology was an important point.  For whatever reason, reality is setting in with most of them, and they are being forced to update with Obama being over 270.  

First, the non-corporate media projection sites updated counts:

Election Projection: Obama 364-174
Electoral-Vote.com: Obama 364, McCain 171, 3 tied
Fivethirtyeight: Obama 344-194 McCain
Pollster.com: Obama 313, McCain 157, Toss-up 68
Real Clear Politics: Obama 286, McCain 155, Toss-up 97

Now some good news, major media sites admitting Obama would win the election if it was today:

CNN: Obama 272-185 McCain
New York Times: Obama 277-185 McCain
Washington Post: Obama 319-219 McCain
NPR: Obama 273-163 McCain
Yahoo: Obama 344-167 McCain

But I found two stragglers still awarding the State of Denial's negative EC votes to Obama so that he stays under 270:

MSNBC:  Obama 264-163 McCain
CBS News: Obama 259-163 McCain

Daniel De Groot :: Major Media EC Maps Ticking Over 270
I also checked Fox, ABC and the USA Today but they don't have projected maps that I saw.

Couple thoughts on this:

  • I am not afraid this is demotivational.  This is the reality based community and I don't want to encourage the media to portray a close race if that is not the reality.  This isn't about being overconfident or counting chickens or anything.  If all these well funded media sites are going to have electoral college maps, can they please use a reputable methodology and accurately convey what the data shows?  Obama can worry about keeping volunteers motivated.  That said...

  • It is just as likely to demotivate McCain supporters.  If you fear Obama people will stay home, not donate because it is "in the bag" it stands to reason seeing victory so far away will make McCain's supporters do the same.  Seeing as Obama has had a solid lead in the enthusiasm gap anyway, I suspect this effect would benefit Obama - his die-hard supporters will be more numerous than McCain's.

  • It is important that a solid Obama victory was foreseen.  This will be needed to forestall the stolen election myth Republicans are trying to construct.  People can believe in stolen elections easily when polling was showing a much closer race than the result.  If people vote on November 4th expecting a nail-biter and Obama takes over 300 EC votes, they will be suspicious.  

The last point is the biggest one I'm currently concerned about.  Even now, only 2 of the 7 big media sites I listed have Obama over 300 EC votes.  If Obama's performance matches what electoral-vote or 538 are predicting, this will only feed the natural paranoia and suspicion of those who have been relying on one of the big sites for tracking the race.  Naturally the rightroots is going to go off the deep end about ACORN and Democratic Secretaries of State no matter what, but the point here is to restrict the insanity to just them, and not let it blow up into a major news event.  


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Can we get a tracking poll in the State of Denial? (4.00 / 5)
Oh, wait, there's already Zogby...

On the note of election night expectations, I think there's a disconnect between some of those electoral vote counts and the general tenor of the media coverage.  Yes, there are always the caveats of "anything can happen" and "it's a long time until election day," but I don't think there's been nearly as much "it's neck-and-neck!!" in the media as there was before the conventions.  The notion that Obama is solidly ahead is very widespread in the media coverage, as far as I can tell.  

Also, just because an organization has Obama under 270 doesn't necessarily mean that their analysis is going to project a close race.  I'm pretty sure I've seen some big media analysts pointing to maps that have Obama just under 270, but still about 100 EVs ahead of McCain (as per the two maps you mention at the end of the post), which they proceed to analyze quite reasonably along the lines of, "So McCain would need to run the table in every single battleground state, which is extremely unlikely and a very difficult position to be in."


Narrow race vs. blowout (0.00 / 0)
Wouldn't a narrow win by Obama be more likely to spur calls of voter fraud from the right? Who is going to believe there was some orchestrated fraud in 4 or 5 different states? Well, besides Fox and the Righty blogosphere?

I am extremely concerned about Obama winning/losing this election in a swing state by less than 1%. There could be serious violence.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


Who Drew Illinois For Yahoo? (4.00 / 1)
Stevie Wonder? Has anyone at Yahoo ever seen a map of Illinois?

Or Missouri, for that matter?


Refs being worked.. (4.00 / 2)
Hey, we've been accused of a liberal bias so now we can't report the truth (which has a well known progressive bias).

Its pretty obvious that this is whats going on with MSNBC and CBS.

Rock the Boat


You forgot the evil genius... (0.00 / 0)
...who has a map and provides a reasonable assessment of the state of play a couple of days ago:

"Obama continues to lead in the Electoral College with 313 electoral votes to McCain's 171 and 54 as a toss-up. Over the past few days, North Dakota (3 EV) has shifted from McCain to toss-up on the strength of two polls favorable to Obama. State polls lag behind national polls by a few days, but in the wake of the third debate with two and a half weeks to go before the election, McCain needs to begin moving states out of Obama's column to remain competitive."

http://www.rove.com/election


why is this useful? (0.00 / 0)
because it tells you something about each of the groups that produce these numbers. come election day, we'll have a very, very good idea of which of them employ "science" and "math" to generate their numbers, and which ones pull it out of their asses.

there's only one poll that matters to me, and that's on election day. but i'm fascinated by the way in which the public discourse is constructed. i could break down each one of those polls in terms of "what they mean" and "who is the audience meant to receive them." feh, neocons are actually pretty good at propaganda, for all their faults. our media overlairds are the same.  


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