Memo to Fox News & the GOP: America Has the Second-Lowest Business Taxes In the World

by: David Sirota

Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 11:30


Last week, I appeared on Fox News to discuss Barack Obama's tax proposals. You can watch the clip here - and make sure to watch the end where Fox News tries to drown me out with music.

Not surprisingly, the "debate" centered around the false premise that Obama's tax cuts are actually welfare. I say that's false because - as I pointed out on the show - everyone pays some form of taxes, whether it's income, property, sales or payroll taxes. When you take all those taxes together, most working- and middle-class Americans pay a higher effective tax rate than the Warren Buffetts of the world (as Warren Buffett, by the way, readily acknowledges). So Obama's plan to pass refundable income tax credits is only a handout if you look exclusively at one slice of taxes - in this case, income taxes. But in the overall tax scheme, those tax credits are aimed at better equalizing the tax structure so as to diminish the gap between Warren Buffett's very low effective tax rate and Joe Sixpack's high effective tax rate.

Only in the asylums of Fox News and Republican Party politics is reducing that effective tax rate gap billed as theft from the rich to finance "welfare."  

David Sirota :: Memo to Fox News & the GOP: America Has the Second-Lowest Business Taxes In the World
This concept of effective tax rates (ie. the tax rate actually paid and enforced) is key to understanding the most telling part of this Fox News discussion - the part at the end where former Bush-Cheney spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck parrots McCain campaign talking points about America supposedly having a very high corporate tax rate in relation to the rest of the world. This, says Dyck and fellow Republicans, is driving businesses to move offshore.

It sounds like a credible storyline, especially considering that officially, our corporate tax rate is somewhere between 35 and 39 percent. But, as always, the devil is in the details.

To know how high - or low - the effective tax rate is, you have to go beneath the top-line rate and account for all the loopholes, subsidies and write-offs - and the way to do that is by looking at corporate tax revenues as a percentage of a country's GDP. That way, you know how much corporations are actually paying as a share of your overall economy - in other words, you know the real corporate tax rate, not the fake one advertised by top-line numbers. And when you look at America's tax structure through this lens, you see that even the Bush Treasury Department admits we have the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the industrialized world (see page 42 of this report).

Indeed, this explains the dissonance between Republican claims of "highest corporate income tax rate in the world" and the recent Government Accountability report showing that most corporations pay no corporate income taxes at all. The latter is the truth - most corporations don't pay any taxes because of loopholes, writeoffs and subsidies that allow them to effectively reduce that 35 percent corporate tax rate to zero. In fact, many profitable corporations actually collect tax rebates. But as I told Fox News, we don't hear criticism of that kind of "corporate welfare" from the Republican mouthpieces deriding Obama's middle-class tax cuts as welfare.

As you can see from the video clip, when the GOP parrot I'm debating throws out the standard "high corporate tax" canard, I revert to the actual facts over and over and over again, to the point where Fox News feels the need to drown me out with music at the end. And I was, of course, rewarded with the usual river of hate email from Fox News viewers, most of which reaffirmed the dittohead nature of the modern conservative audience in that almost every email included exactly two links purportedly "proving" the GOP talking point - one a link to U.S. News and World Report's right-wing business columnist, the other to the fringe Tax Foundation, a group funded by Scaife, Koch and the usual constellation of Wingnuttia's trust-fund babies. You'll notice that both of these sources focus only on the official tax rate, not the effective tax rate - deliberately misleading their readers about the facts.

The good news is that polling shows most Americans do not think the big problem facing our country is that wealthy corporations are oppressed by high taxes. That is, most Americans live in the "reality-based" world and understand that if anyone is winning big from the Bush-McCain tax policies, it is Corporate America and the super-rich. So if the GOP wants to attack Obama for trying to cut 95 percent of America's taxes - if they want to lash their electoral hopes to a promise to give Big Business another tax handout - then I say that's great. They are helping progressives build a landslide and an election mandate.  


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Well-done (4.00 / 2)
I think that it would be extremely productive to eliminate this particular talking point of the right.  While you say that polls indicate its not very effective, I would still expect that most Americans would assume that the talking point is basically accurate.

good (4.00 / 1)
That was pretty good, It's good that you talked about the issue on your terms instead of allowing the host to pigeonhole you into talking about only individual income taxes.

Nice Use (0.00 / 0)
of the Gibbs approach...

Good stuff David! (4.00 / 1)
I hate it that this is how the argument has to be made.  I understand the importance of loopholes and subsidies in our tax code to help direct behavior, but something is decidedly wrong when so many corporations are paying no taxes and the wealthy are paying only a tiny percent of their income to taxes while the middle class pays a higher percentage.  I have never had trouble understanding the realities of our tax code and have never been a proponent of simplifying the tax code, but the Republicans have made good mileage by distorting the truth on taxes. Should we progressives push changes to the tax code or come up with our own plan?  

Both (4.00 / 1)
I'd say push for both.

[ Parent ]
The inability (4.00 / 1)
to expose the shell game Republicans play with taxes has always frustrated me.  Here is the shell game:

If we talk about the deficit, we include revenue from social security taxes.   As result, the deficit is about 150 Billion lower than it should be..

If we talk about taxes, though, we NEVER include FICA taxes (since they are contributions to a pension fund).

Years ago Sen Moynihan proposed cutting FICA taxes to stop this shell game - but he got no where.  


The Hardest Working Man in News Business (0.00 / 0)
You are hitting your stride these days. Thanks for what you do.

Even without getting into the finely parsed layers of the tax code like you have done so well, their argument always goes back to supporting "trickle-down" exconomics. It is interesting to see this trotted out since the public has come to believe (and Obama hammers away at) trickle down economics being bankrupt. So I don't think people generally believe this argument is true at face value but rather reject it out of hand because we are getting pinched left and right while "job creators" are perceived as creating nothing but bigger bonuses in their own pockets.

I know this is a more generalized comment, but wanted to get that out there because most of us only get to this level of detail in our busy days. If you say to me that Joe Biznitch can't grow his business because he's paying 3% more in taxes, at a gut level I would say that if Joe had more customers his business would be growing and a middle class with money is the only way to make that happen.

I'm with Joe Biden on this. Paying your fair share is patriotic. Just because your rich enough to hire smart people doesn't mean your responsibility to this nation is any less. Yes, you create jobs. That is part of the deal for going into business. I mean, WTF? Create jobs AND pay your fair share. We'll work those jobs, pay our fair share AND consume your products and services in greater amounts thus creating more wealth for you.

And so it goes.

< /rant >

 

Laugh hard. Its a long ways to the bank.  


"trickle-down" (0.00 / 0)
How rich do you have to be to get some bailout? I'm tired of the trickle-down. I want to get me some of that bailout!

miasmo.com

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David, excellent tactic!! We need more. (0.00 / 0)
I think your tactic in that video is absolutely 100% optimal for that kind of interview.  When someone tries to claim something factually untrue, just keep saying the truth over and over,

"2nd lowest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, 2nd lowest corporate taxes in the industrialized world..."

Just keep repeating the truth.  I believe it is amazingly powerful and it is the only way to cut through all the bloviating and (maybe subconsciously) get it into the heads of those watching.

"2nd lowest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, 2nd lowest corporate taxes in the industrialized world..."

Do that more!

Cunha for Congress (FL-06)

P.S. I'm not a big fan of John McCain


Great work (0.00 / 0)
Long time lurker, finally made an account to tell you that I loved your performance here.  Masterful example of refusing to participate in a false argumentative framework.

For all of the comments I've read saying that you are "off message" on OpenLeft, you definitely drove home on Fox News that Barack Obama will cut taxes for 95% of Americans, tough to be more on message than you were just now.  I struggle to balance my efforts to elect Obama with my desire to push him to adopt more progressive positions; here you are fighting hard for him on Fox News and yet you critique him separately in quieter moments elsewhere, showing that it is possible to do both.

Keep it up!  "Second lowest business taxes in the world!!"


Who has the lowest business taxes in the world? (0.00 / 0)
n/t

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