Edwards Positions Himself as the Candidate of Change, Calls out Clinton

by: brklyngrl

Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 15:13


Update: The Edwards campaign responds to criticism on the Lincoln bedroom portion of the speech by pointing out that many politicians have used the Lincoln bedroom to reward supporters, and by emphasizing the need to move forward.

By the way, did you know that Mitt Romney opposes birth control? (h/t Feministing)

On Sunday I wrote that John Edwards was stuck between Clinton and Obama on both change and experience. According to voters in a recent CBS poll, 60% of Democratic primary voters thought Edwards had the right experience to be President, compared to 80 for Clinton and 41 for Obama. Only 34% of voters saw Edwards as a candidate with fresh ideas, compared to 67% who saw Obama and 42% who saw Clinton as having fresh ideas. I argued that since change and experience are currently emerging as key themes of the Democratic primary, Edwards would need to improve his positioning on those two themes to gain traction.

Well, this morning in New Hampshire, in what his campaign is billing as a major speech, Edwards laid out his vision for change. In it, he develops and intensifies some of his ideas about Washington, lobbyists, and corporate influence. Despite it's billing as a major speech, I would characterize it as a change in degree rather than a change in direction.

He has a two-point plan for change (albeit a very ambitious one): first, end the corrupt Washington system, then implement bold ideas. Here's Edwards:

If we are going to meet the challenges we face and prevail over them, two principles must guide us -- yes, we must end the Washington game, but we must also think as big as the challenges we face. Our ideas must be bold enough to succeed and our government must be free to enact them without compromising principle or sacrificing results.

He also spells out why an Edwards' presidency represents real change:

Real change starts with being honest -- the system in Washington is rigged and our government is broken. It's rigged by greedy corporate powers to protect corporate profits. It's rigged by the very wealthy to ensure they become even wealthier. At the end of the day, it's rigged by all those who benefit from the established order of things. For them, more of the same means more money and more power. They'll do anything they can to keep things just the way they are -- not for the country, but for themselves.

The choice for our party could not be more clear. We cannot replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats, just swapping the Washington insiders of one party for the Washington insiders of the other.

The American people deserve to know that their presidency is not for sale, the Lincoln Bedroom is not for rent, and lobbyist money can no longer influence policy in the House or the Senate.

It seems pretty clear to me that he's going after Hillary Clinton here with the Lincoln bedroom thing (and elsewhere, with his remark about triangulating), although he doesn't mention her by name. It's completely fair for Edwards to point out that Clinton takes lobbyists money and he doesn't, especially after he comments at Yearly Kos about lobbyists representing real people. But I think he might be over-stating the case a bit.  There are real differences between Democrats and Republicans, even corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans (unless they're also Bush Dogs. Then they're pretty similar). Equating the Clintons' with big business Republicans just reminds me too much of Nader.

Despite that, I think his two-point plan for change and his analysis of the Washington system are right on. Although he had criticized lobbyists and corporate interests before, I'm not sure I've heard him put it quite this baldly. If he doesn't win, he's going down swinging, and kudos to Edwards for that. I can't get behind his speech 100% because I'm a little hazy on the specifics of changing the game in Washington.  I agree we need to, but how? Lawsuits? Revolution? As hopelessly square as negotiation sounds in comparison, I actually do actually understand what it means. Elsewhere in the speech he endorses public financing for elections, which I believe the other candidates support as well, so maybe that's what he means?

I'm very curious to see how this plays out. Though he doesn't quite spell it out, he hits on a key question, both for progressives and for the country as a whole: Does a return to Clintonism (to the extent that Hillary Clinton represents one) represent real change? I'm torn, because I've certainly think the Bush years represent real change when compared to the Clinton years, so in that sense, a change back would be a real change. On the other hand, I'd like to see a little more change than that. We'll see if this helps him on change.

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Public Financing of Campaigns (0.00 / 0)
Note that he delivered the speech in NH and that Trippi is on his campaign staff.

Ending lobbyist contributions will accomplish nothing.  Clinton is dead right on that.

Edwards ought to tighten his message to underscore that "ending the game" can only be accomplished through public financing of congressional campaigns, which he did mention in the speech.  Let's hope he stays on that message so public financing gets the consideration and scrutiny it deserves.  Doing so also has the potential to help his primary campaign, particularly in NH.


How do you institute public financing? (0.00 / 0)
You can make it voluntary in some way or another, which might be enough, if paired with a lowering of the contribution limits to the point that it's prohibitively difficult to raise enough to make waiving the voluntary spending limits that would be paired with public financing worthwhile.

But how do you get around the first amendment issue associated with independent expenditures/issue ads?  How would public financing stop another Swift Boat campaign?  There would be a lot of strange issues that would come up if you instituted public financing at the Federal level.  And I think the laws that would make it effective would probably violate the First Amendement, especially with a relatively pro-corporate Roberts court.


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There's no 1st Amendment Issue (0.00 / 0)
Independent expenditures persist, and may even be louder in the future, but candidates receive "fair fight" funds to combat them as well.  That's how the bill that Obama is co-sponsoring handles it.

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Edwards Jumps the Shark - Taylor Marsh (0.00 / 0)
It's getting ugly. First we had Obama talking about Clinton as "Bush-Cheney lite." Today we have a new twist and it isn't into presidential territory.

Who said this?

"Wake up America. The White House is not for sale; the Lincoln bedroom is not for sale.''
Republican Bob Dole said it in 1996.

How about this:

"I believe they have had moved that sign the buck stops here from the Oval Office desk to the buck stops here on the Lincoln Bedroom. And that's not good for the country."
George W. Bush spewed this crap in 2000. As most everyone knows, the Lincoln Bedroom smear became a Republican standard against the Clintons.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush sanctimoniously accused Clinton of "virtually renting out the Lincoln bedroom to big campaign donors." He condemned the use of the "hallowed" chamber for political payoffs.

Selling Lincoln bedroom disrespectful, by Helen Thomas

In 1997, Ann Lewis had to go on "The News Hour" to address the attack that became a continual talking point from wingnuts: For two straight days President Clinton denied there was any improper use of the Lincoln Bedroom and other White House functions in raising campaign funds for his 1996 re-election campaign. Jim Lehrer leads a discussion with Ann Lewis, assistant to the President, and White House Deputy Director of Communications, and three regional commentators who disagree with the President's view.

Fast forward. Now how about this beauty. Who said it?

"The American people deserve to know that their presidency is not for sale, the Lincoln Bedroom is not for rent, and lobbyist money can no longer influence policy in the House or the Senate."
Rudy Giuliani, right?

Nah, Mitt Romney, that's got to be it!

Wrong.

It's John Edwards in a speech he gave today in New Hampshire.

This is how an email from NBC First Read characterized the speech:

The Re-Launch: So is Edwards trying to re-launch his campaign? It depends on how one interprets a speech he's giving today in New Hampshire, where he attempts to re-frame the race in a way that makes him the real change agent in the Democratic race. "The choice for our party could not be more clear," Edwards will say, according to advance excerpts. "We cannot replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats, just swapping the Washington insiders of one party for the Washington insiders of the other." He also will say, "The choice we must make is as important as it is clear. It is a choice between looking back and looking forward. A choice between the way we've always done it and the way we could do it if we dared. It is caution versus courage. Old versus new. Calculation versus principle. It is the establishment elites versus the American people." This, it seems, will be the argument that Edwards plans to use against Clinton for the rest of the campaign. At a minimum, consider this the new stump speech.
They just left out the Clinton money quote Edwards used today, which is straight out of the right-wing playbook. There are plenty of ways to come at Clinton on the issues, especially Iraq. But if this is the Edwards re-launch, I hope it makes a turn into better territory. Because between Obama's "Bush-Cheney lite" and Edwards talking about "The Lincoln Bedroom is not for rent," I've got to say that these guys sound positively desperate.


I read that too. (4.00 / 3)
Anything to add?

In the future, I think most people would probably appreciate it if you just posted a link and highlighted some relevant passages that make your point. Maybe with some thoughts of your own.


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that was a great reply (0.00 / 0)
what - the truth about how edwards is using right wing attacks hurts your argument and so you say areyouready wrote too much - what a laugh!

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Is it not true? (4.00 / 2)
The Bill Clinton team was pretty legendary for it's Machiavellian strategy and for it's aggressive fundraising.  Even if the deal wasn't explicit, didn't several big fundraisers spend nights over at the White House during the Clinton years?

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See below. (4.00 / 1)
Bush rented out the Lincoln Room also.  Clinton and Bush are members of the establishment. 

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And, no, your strawman (0.00 / 0)
argument is not welcome here: Bush and Clinton are not the same.  No one ever said they were.

But Clinton is far too close to corporate power. 


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strawman argument? (0.00 / 0)
who made you the thought police?  areyouready showed how the lincoln bedroom script has been used as a right wing hatchet attack and so disagreed with your short term happiness of how this was meant to hurt hillary.  too bad, you should know your - and our party's history, before you open your trap - edwards too

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Can you take your astroturfing elsewhere? (4.00 / 3)
Honestly, if you don't have anything to add to the debate, then just save yourself the effort (even though I know it takes very little).

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Brklngirl (4.00 / 1)
Please show me the part in the speech where Edwards equates "the Clintons' with big business Republicans..."

He doesn't, of course: that's your fabrication.


As I said, it's that piece about (0.00 / 0)
the Lincoln bedroom, as well as this sentence:

We cannot replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats, just swapping the Washington insiders of one party for the Washington insiders of the other.

I'm open to alternate interpretations. What do you think he meant by that?

  It sure seems to me like he was talking about the Clintons with that Lincoln bedroom bit, which immediately borders the corporate Democrats and Republicans sentence.


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You call him (4.00 / 3)
out for "equating" Hillary and Republicans. Nowhere does he do that and by claiming that he did you're providing the spin that the Hillary camp surely craves, that Edwards is being a bad Dem.

Why not consider the criticism of Hillary on its merits, the Lincoln bedroom charge, plus the charge that she and Bill were and are too tied to corporate power? Do you argee with the substance of his criticism or not?


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What do you think he means when he says "we cannot replace (0.00 / 0)
replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats"?

As far as whether I agree with the criticism of Hillary on the merits (so we agree it is criticism of Hilary, then?), I think he's basically right, but overstates the case by putting corporate Dems and Republicans in one big category.


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He means exactly (4.00 / 3)
what he said, that we don't want to replace corporate repugs with corporate Dems--do you disagree? Do you want to replace corporate repugs with corporate Dems?

If not, if you agree, you should congratulate him on a good line rather than claim against all evidence that he was equating Hillary to Republicans.

A thought experiment. We don't want to replace a fever with a cold. Does that mean that a fever equals a cold? Of course not. Just admit that you overstated your case and we can be done with this exchange.


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Apparently... (0.00 / 0)
... Edwards denies this was a swipe on Clinton: "Edwards later said he didn't mean to target Clinton during his new stump speech, even though he clearly did.  'Going back doesn't move us forward and we need to move forward,' he told reporters beside his campaign bus."

Odd. 


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It All Depends On What The Meaning of "Equating" Is (4.00 / 4)
You said:

Equating the Clintons' with big business Republicans just reminds me too much of Nader.

But Nader kept claiming there no difference--meaning that they were equal in every way.  This is where he crossed the line from passionate advocacy to demagogery, IMHO.

Edwards is saying something markedly different.  He is saying that the differences between them are not sufficient to fix the broken system, and meet the challenges we face.  Edwards is "equating" them in the sense of a mathematical "equivilence class"--which is something that you construct for a given purpose, to create a new mathematical structure.  And he's making the purpose quite clear.

For example, wikipedia uses the following didactic example:

If X is the set of all cars, and ~ is the equivalence relation "has the same color as", then one particular equivalence class consists of all green cars. X / ~ could be naturally identified with the set of all car colors.

Now, no one would pretend or imagine that creating such an equivalence class was an argument that there is no difference between a blue VW Bug and a blue BMW.

What Edwards is doing is more analogous to another equivalence class with cars: Is a hybrid or pure electric vehicle vs. is not.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Ecellent anaysis, Paul. (0.00 / 0)
I usually enjoy your comments. 

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Yes, exactly, thank you. (4.00 / 1)
He didn't say they are the same, and I didn't mean to imply that. Apparently we're on fuzzy linguistic ground here: equal, equating, equivalence...

But he did draw a parallel. To me, the difference between corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans is so large as to basically be a difference in kind.

For better or worse, any criticism (especially about corporations and government) that pits Democrats and Republicans against some third option (a not-hybrid or electric vehicle in your example) reminds me of Nader.


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Fair enough (4.00 / 3)
I didn't mean to get into a semantic argument, although sometimes the take away from a speech can come down to a single word.

I think it's fair to say that Edwards is arguing that both the Clintons and the Republicans are part of the same corporate-sponsored establishment--that's the point he was making and we can argue about whether that's a fair claim. It seems you think it's not fair; I thin it is.


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For What Purposes? (4.00 / 2)
To me, the difference between corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans is so large as to basically be a difference in kind.

For some purposes this is certainly true.  But not for all purposes.  And faced with issues such as universal health care (not "universal coverage" but universal health care), global warming, fair trade vs. "free trade," net neutrality, media reform, and other defining issue of the 21st century, the differences are not always more significant than the similarities.

In fact, the track record so far is that the similarities have been more significant.  And these simply are not the sorts of issues that we can afford to keep fumbling any longer.

We are literally talking about the possible survival of our civilization when we're talking about global warming.  And corporate subsidies for polluters under a cap-and-trade system is not going to get the job done.

For better or worse, any criticism (especially about corporations and government) that pits Democrats and Republicans against some third option (a not-hybrid or electric vehicle in your example) reminds me of Nader.

And for me, it reminds me of the Civil Rights Movement, the Environmental Movement, Women's Rights Movement, etc., etc., etc.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Right on, Paul! (0.00 / 0)
Interesting to note that discussing candidates gets much nastier than any other kind of discussion on OpenLeft.

Full Court Press!  http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

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Best speech of the race so far (4.00 / 4)
to my biased ear. Pure, delicious, bold progressive populism.

Yeah, he goes after Clinton but he also goes after Obama, slamming the notion of compromise and there's this:

Dependence on foreign oil is smothering our economy and choking our environment. Everybody knows it -- politicians from both parties have been calling for energy independence for 30 years. So what did the oilmen in the White House do? They handed the keys to the corridors of government over to the lobbyists for the big oil companies and let them literally write the energy bill. Now, gas prices are through the roof, carbon emissions are unchecked, and global warming is likely getting worse.

Obama, remember, voted for that disaster of a bill.

You're right, though, that this is a change in direction, just a deepening. More important, it's a reclaiming of his narrative, an overdue attempt to remind people that Edwards made his millions batting corporate crime. The press and not a few liberal bloggers want us to believe that Edwards is some Johnny-come-lately to the populist cause, but he's been fighting the people's fight for twenty-five years.

I have stood with ordinary Americans at the most difficult times in their lives, when all the power of corporate America was arrayed against them. I have walked into courtrooms alone to face an army of corporate lawyers with all the money in the world. I have walked off the Senate elevator and been besieged by an army of corporate lobbyists. And I have beaten them over and over again.

But let me tell you one thing I have learned from my experience -- you cannot deal with them on their terms. You cannot play by their rules, sit at their table, or give them a seat at yours. They will not give up their power -- you have to take it from them.



Edwards Is Doing the Prudent Thing (4.00 / 1)
From a tactical perspective, both he and Obama need to drive up Hillary Clinton's negatives among primary voters to have a chance at winning.  He may be over-stating his case somewhat, but the smart thing is to do that even more by actually mentioning her by name in attacks.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

Not Just Clinton. (4.00 / 1)
The entire establishment.

http://www.commondre...

Published on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 by the Associated Press 
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests in the Lincoln Bedroom 
by Sharon Theimer

WASHINGTON - President Bush opened the White House and Camp David to dozens of overnight guests last year, including foreign dignitaries, family friends and at least nine of his biggest campaign fund-raisers, documents show.

In all, Bush and first lady Laura Bush have invited at least 270 people to stay at the White House and at least the same number to overnight at the Camp David retreat since moving to Washington in January 2001, according to lists the White House provided The Associated Press.

Some guests spent a night in the Lincoln Bedroom, historic quarters that gained new fame in the Clinton administration amid allegations that Democrats rewarded major donors like Hollywood heavyweights Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand with accommodations there.


Plausible deniability, maybe. (4.00 / 1)
But the Clintons' made it famous, and Edwards is no dummy. He has to know that most of the public will hear "Lincoln Bedroom" and think "Clintons" I find it hard to believe that wasn't intentional.

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But That's Just The Point (4.00 / 7)
The more you look at it, the more it points out how the Clintons are not different from the Republicans.

And, after all, back in the day, they touted that as their strong suit.  They were all, "Look at us!  We're New Democrats! [Not like those bad Old Democrats!]"

There is simply nothing wrong at all with what Edwards is doing.  To the contrary, it's just about the best thing anyone's done in the campaign so far.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I just don't get your argument (4.00 / 1)
Are you saying that Clinton wasn't strongly influenced by the corporate elite?  Or that the Lincoln bedroom thing was untrue/overblown?  That drawing a parallel between certain elements of the two presidencies, though abstractly valid, is so rhetorically distracting as to be wildly counterproductive?  That it's wrong to see anything at all in common between Clinton and Bush II?

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It doesn't have to begin with public financing (4.00 / 4)
Elsewhere in the speech he endorses public financing for elections, which I believe the other candidates support as well, so maybe that's what he means?

As Edwards has pointed out in the past, we don't have to wait for public financing to pass Congress before we start calling on our representatives to hold themselves to higher standards.

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Love ya, brooklyn (4.00 / 3)
But you're rewriting Edwards' speech. Edwards never conflates anyone in the Democratic Party with the worst elements of the Republican Party. He does call out the corporate elements of the party, the people who would choose the gentry class over the middle and working classes when push came to shove.

And judging by the reaction this speech is getting, a whole lot of grassroots Democrats think John's message is right on.

Count me as one of them.


Interesting (4.00 / 1)
. I can't get behind his speech 100% because I'm a little hazy on the specifics of changing the game in Washington.  I agree we need to, but how? Lawsuits? Revolution? As hopelessly square as negotiation sounds in comparison, I actually do actually understand what it means. Elsewhere in the speech he endorses public financing for elections, which I believe the other candidates support as well, so maybe that's what he means?

There's another candidate who has a much stronger record on this issue, and broad, ambitious, detailed policy proposals for the executive branch to clean up the "Washington game".

Apparently, Edwards thinks he can outflank Obama on the issue simply by yelling about it louder.  Kind of disappointing. 

Makes me kinda "meh" on what is otherwise a good speech I think.  I'd like it if he displayed the same type of policy seriousness on the issue as he has towards, say, healthcare.


What do we want? (0.00 / 0)
Don't we want someone to attack the overall (Dem too) corporate influence in DC?

Edwards is trying to bring the to the table. I actually think he's stuck in between, that he should be more explicit about it and say something like, "Look we're all Dems and HC and BO have some fine ideas, but they represent in part a continuation of some things that I want to change, like corporate influence on politics."

And also, when candidates go out on a limb for ideas that the netroots supports, we NEED TO BACK THEM UP!!!


Rolling Stone Artile (0.00 / 0)
The Rolling Stone article on Edwards was very convincing. He IS the candidate of change.

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