The Tracking Poll With the Most Random Movement Is.....

by: tremayne

Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 17:07


Take a look at the Quick Hits and you'll see that the ones that have generated the most discussion recently are these:

Zogby: McCain Takes Lead in One-Day Sample (100 comments)

Zogby: O 49.1%, M 44.1% (50 comments)

Ras PA: Obama 51% McCain 47% (42 comments)

You guys are poll obsessed! Anyway, I have a new theory: the more random flucuation seen in a given poll the more comments it will generate. But in order to test this we'll need to know which polls are stable and which are less stable. One approach is to compute the standard deviation of a tracking polls released numbers (which are typically based on 3-day rolling averages but ignore that issue for now). Here are the results for the 7 daily tracking polls over the last few weeks (which excludes Battleground):

ABC/W.Post: 0.68

Rasmussen:  0.80

Gallup LV-E:  0.91

IBD/TIPP:     1.17

R2K/dKos:    1.25

Hotline:        1.28

Zogby:         1.33

Analysis and discussion follows.
tremayne :: The Tracking Poll With the Most Random Movement Is.....

The smaller numbers reported above represent less deviation from the pollster's mean. Many things can affect random flucuations but one obvious one is sample size. Two of the pollsters near the top of our list here are Rasmussen and Gallup which utilize the largest samples (Rasmussen the most with 3,000 interviews). What about ABC/Washington Post? Their results are based on fewer interviews (1,580 for the most recent edition) but they use a 4-day rather than a 3-day rolling average. That means each day's reported result is based on the average of the last 4 days which reduces the impact that one "weird" day will have on their results.

Zogby has the most flucuation. Surprise! Interestingly, their sample size (1,200) is actually larger than those of R2K, Hotline and TIPP. Something else may be going on. I arrived at the numbers reported above by computing the standard deviations for each pollster for Obama and McCain and then averaged those two together. Separately the results look like this:

ABC Obama:   0.64

ABC McCain:   0.72

GallupObama: 0.80

Ras Obama:   0.80

Ras McCain:    0.80

R2K  Obama:  0.92

GallupMcCain: 1.02

TIPP Obama:  1.09

HotlineMcCain: 1.11

TIPP McCain:   1.25

ZobgyMcCain: 1.29

ZogbyObama: 1.36

HotlineObama 1:45

R2K McCain:   1.57

In this look, the most unusual pollster has been R2K which has shown extreme stability for Obama who has been at 51 +/- 1 point almost every single day. They have McCain, on the other hand, going from 40 to 45 over a five day period recently. The most charitable explanation for this is that maybe McCain really did move that much in less than a week's time. The problem is the other trackers didn't really show much McCain movement at all over that period. It was R2K/Kos more than any other pollster that was responsible for the "tightening" theme from last week.

Now all I have to do is record the number of Quick Hit comments generated by the trackers mentioned above and then run a simple correlation..... a project for another day.

 


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plot this relationship (0.00 / 0)
poll variance vs.  average # of comments per poll

Interesting outcomes will ensue.


About the Bradley Effect... (0.00 / 0)
I'm persuaded that it either doesn't exist, or exists, but to such a statistically insignificant degree that it's not likely to be a real factor in this election.

However, it just occured to me (which means that it's surely occured to people who know much more about this than I do, long before it occured to me) that there might still be a more statistically significant phenomenon that I'd called the indirect Bradley Effect.

Namely, that a certain non-trivial percentage of voters who've not only said that they'd be voting for, or were leaning towards, Obama, but actually meant it at the time (as opposed to those alleged Bradley Effect voters, who were knowingly lying when they said that they would vote for Obama), will, in the last days before the election, or the last hours, or literally right there in the booth, have a change of heart and vote for McCain, because despite their best intentions, they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Obama.

And not just because he's black, but because of all the rumors, because of his alleged lack of experience and accomplishment, because he's supposedly too liberal and hates America and all that nonsense, etc. I'm guessing that there are more than a few such cold feet types who will vote for McCain, even though they indicated their support for Obama to pollsters. I.e. people who know that Obama would make a better president, but just can't bring themselves to vote for him, for reasons that include but are not limited to just race.

Thoughts, anyone, and how big a factor, if any, such voters might play?

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


Same for McCain (0.00 / 0)
Seems like there might be a number of voters who would have similar concerns about McCain's erratic behavior, military belligerence, ignorance about economics, opposition to abortion, personal life that doesn't adhere to strict Right-wing religious values, etc. They might intend to vote for McCain but have cold feet in the voting booth and either not vote for anyone or vote for Obama. I think it is really difficult to estimate the number of these cold-footed voters on either side.

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Good point (0.00 / 0)
However, I'm guessing that more Obama leaners are likely to have such cold feet issues than McCain leaners, if only because Obama represents something different, whereas McCain represents more of the same, and I'm guessing that people who lean McCain are probably more comfortable with his sameness than people who lean Obama are comfortable with his difference. People who are versed in marketing theory, which I am not, would have a lot to say about this, I think.

I.e. once you've gotten a bunch of people who aren't 100% enthusiastic about either product to go for either old and well-known product A or new and less-known product B, which ones are more likely to stay with their choice if told that they'd be locked into it for 4 years? I'm guessing A, stick with what's known, even if you're not excited about it. But even if this translates into the election, I'm also guessing that not enough of them exist to make a meaningful difference in the electoral college. There are too many enthusiastic Obama supporters compared to enthusiastic McCain supporters, for this to likely affect the election.

Just thinking out loud. None of this matters at this point, except for GOTV and the final round of ads, appearances and media coverage.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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