What Rahm Says About An Obama Administration

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 19:00


I don't like Rahm Emanuel becoming Obama's chief of staff, but I also don't think it would have mattered if he chose someone else. If Obama wanted Rahm as Chief of Staff, but Rahm had declined or been denied the slot via outside pressure, then you can be sure Obama would have simply sought someone else who was virtually identical to Rahm in terms of demeanor, tactics, and ideology. The options were basically either Rahm or some variation on Rahm. In this case, I view him as simply the vehicle or the weapon, not the person driving or pulling the trigger.

More of my thoughts on what Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff says about an Obama administration in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: What Rahm Says About An Obama Administration
Still, that Obama was looking for a Chief of Staff in Rahm's mold is disturbing. Over the last few years, I agree with Kagro X in that it appears that Rahm's defining governing characteristic has been to approach legislation almost entirely from the perspective of how it will play in an election. That is a big negative, both because we just suffered through too much of that during the Bush administration and because it is a erroneous way of viewing the relationship between legislation and elections. People don't vote for or against you because of how you voted in legislation in the abstract. Instead, people vote for or against you because of how the legislation you voted on affected their lives. As such, the key is to pass legislation that will make most people's lives better, not legislation that will look good in the abstract the moment it is passed. The Bush administration was constantly focused on passing legislation that looked good in the abstract the moment it was passed. However, not matter how good the legislation looked once it was passed, it ended up ruining people's lives, and so those people voted against Republicans later on.

It also doesn't help that Emanuel has a very right-wing view on how to win elections. He is vehemently opposed to progressive immigration reform, arguing both that Democratic candidates should ignore immigrants because they don't vote and that women congressional candidates performed poorly in the 2006 elections because they weren't right-wing enough on immigration (see here for more on this). He is afraid of the damage Democrats can take even from the stupidest of right-wing smears, as seen by his organizing of endangered House Democrats to vote against their party on substantively meaningless motions to recommit for fear that such motions can be used in attack ads. He deplores using aggressive tactics against obstructionist Republicans, for fear that such aggression will hurt Democrats among voters. He despises the fifty-state strategy, and grassroots activism in general. He favors wealthy, conservative candidates, and helped elect a more right-wing group of freshman than it appears Van Hollen did even though more blue districts were available in 2006.

In short, Rahm Emanuel's views on how to win elections are the antithesis of those most commonly found in the progressive grassroots. No public aggression toward Republicans, rolling over to right-wing smear jobs, favoring wealth, conservative Democrats, opposing broad, grassroots activism, and even scapegoating minority groups like immigrants instead of firing up the base. It is bad enough to have someone who governs with one eye always focused on electoral implications, but when that person views elections in a way that is diametrically opposed to everything I, and many other in the netroots, have fought for in the Democratic Party this past decade, I end up with a more pessimistic view of the Obama administration than I had a couple days ago.

Now even with all of this said, Rahm himself isn't the problem. It is more worrying that Obama was looking for someone like Rahm as his Chief of Staff. If we can expect an Obama administration to display the same characteristics I described above, this could be a frustrating--but still of course improved--four years.

Still, there is one big positive: at least Rahm won't become Speaker now. My bet is that this clears the path for George Miller once Nancy Pelosi retires.

Note: I don't think this same logic applies to Cabinet members, since they will have considerably greater autonomy than the Chief of Staff. We need to opposed right-wing Cabinet choices vehemently.


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George Miller (4.00 / 1)
Is probably a bit too old isn't he? He'll be 73 in 10 years.

How about Jim McGovern of MA?

LINK.

He's only 49 and very progressive on both economic and environmental issues. Plus, I believe he's number 2 on the rules committee so he's already in line for a leadership position should one come up.


Miller's also from the Bay Area (4.00 / 1)
It doesn't seem likely that they'd pick another Bay Arean as Speaker after Pelosi.

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Rep. Miller (0.00 / 0)
Has had health problems in the past and that combined with the age issue I think would dissuade him from running for Speaker.  

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Is anyone expecting a retirement (0.00 / 0)
any time soon by Pelosi?  

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No (4.00 / 1)
But 12 years as speaker would be a long time (10 years from now). Especially since she'd be 78 by that time. This is all just speculation. Just looking down the line to see who could step up. Who knows? In 10 years it could be someone completely knew or someone who's just starting this year.

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And, of course, Rahm's departure is going to cause a shakeup (4.00 / 1)
in the leadership structure.  Honestly, if we can break the blue dog stranglehold in the Congress, we'll be better off, even if Obama's starting point is slightly less progressive than it wold otherwise be.

Who would be in line to take over Rahm's caucus chair position, anyway?


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It's wide open (0.00 / 0)
especially since the position was created specifically for him in the first place.

Van Hollen would be one obvious choice. Or McGovern as I mentioned.


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Policy versus Competence (4.00 / 16)
What you say may be true.  On the other hand, Rahm seems like an extremely competent guy who will gets lots done.  He also knows all the ins and outs of the House.  There has been plenty of talk that Obama is too naive to get legislation passed, with all his post-partisan talk.  Rahm proves this complaint incorrect.

We now have Biden to communicate with the Senate and Rahm to work with the House.  It seems very clear to me that Obama will not make the same mistakes Clinton made in his first year or too of failing to work well with congress.

I'll probably be agreeing with you soon, once Secretary of the Treasury is announced, for example, but not now.  Ideology seems like the smallest of points, here.

To me this shows Obama plans to get big things done and be successful.  From what I've read, Rahm impresses me greatly from the point of view of the job Obama gave him.


I agree. (4.00 / 3)
Rahm may not be a great progressive, but he knows how to get things done. He will be great for helping Obama achieve his goals. You shouldn't underestimate the value of an effective administration, as opposed to an ideologically pure one.

We'll know a lot more about Obama's intentions from his next few appointments, but I don't think there's any reason to be too disheartened yet.


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I see this as a loyalty play. (4.00 / 3)
Obama doesn't like in-fighting and values loyalty. (See his tightly-knit core campaign group as evidence).

Rahm can speak to blue dogs.
Rahm can corral the freshman.
Rahm has the ear of the DLC and the Clinton-ites.
Rahm is fire to Obama's ice just as Joe Biden was.

I am okay with it and like it actually-- so long as his cabinet has some good progressive voices.  

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I agree. (4.00 / 1)
It all depends on what Obama wants to accomplish. We shall see. And, I totally agree, now the real fight for change begins.  

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Sounds to me... (4.00 / 5)
like you'd have a problem with President Rahm but not necessarily Chief of Staff Rahm. Remember who's the decider.

Mark Schmitt's take (0.00 / 0)
This is interesting and written a year or so ago.  The conclusion:

Here's my take on the perspective missing from The Thumpin': The rules of politics are changing rapidly. There's an appetite for clear statements of position, whether on the war or economic inequality, and more room to bring in new voters and new ideas. Rahm Emanuel, the finest practitioner of politics under the old rules-the Clinton rules-started to understand this. He understood that he had to "open up the map," for example, and bring robust challenges in more districts than previous DCCC chairs. On his own, Emanuel got halfway there. Pushed by circumstances-by being on the road and listening; by candidates like Harry Mitchell in Arizona, who emerged on his own and then got Emanuel's attention; by the need to compromise with Howard Dean's fifty-state strategy; and by liberal bloggers, who did get Emanuel's ear-he went even further, resisting the pull back in the old, narrowing direction from Clinton-era operatives such as James Carville. Could he have gone even further, and recognized that a plain-speaking liberal could make as strong a candidate in 2006 as an admiral? Yes, but to point that out is not to diminish the extraordinary accomplishment, and how much Rahm Emanuel adapted to a rapidly changing political world.


The way I remember it (4.00 / 1)
was that Rahm had to be pulled, kicking and screaming, toward the new paradigm in 2006.  Had it not been for people (like the netroots and Howard Dean) who went ahead and worked around him, and embarrassed him into looking at things in a different way, he would not have done anything differently.  Many candidates would have not been funded and many districts would be without Democratic candidates in the race.  The success in the 2006 elections happened in spite of Rahm Emmanuel, not because of him.  Yet, to this day, he is given the credit and is considered the golden boy because of it.

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What's different (4.00 / 3)
until proved otherwise is that Obama seems to be a strong-minded, independent thinker who's not going to get railroaded by the windbags surrounding him. Obama is a Chicago pol. Emanuel is his enforcer. He'll be good at that. The real problem will arise when Emanuel decides that he's entitled to be president. The other problem could be that Emanuel does too much of the crony thing and makes Obama look like a sleaze. But I don't think the appointment tells us much of anything about Obama's worldview (and couldn't we just wait to find out instead of sifting every little happening for auguries?)

Chris, you're thinking about this in the wrong way. . . (4.00 / 5)
To bring forward a progressive agenda, Obama needs to get legislation passed, and that's what Emmanuel does (well, that and fundraising, but Obama doesn't need any help in that regard). The first year of Clinton's term was a total and complete mess, and that killed our chances at real reform.  Having a guy like Rahm-bo in charge during the first couple of years helps more than hinders.  Besides, the inspiration for Josh Lymon has to be the CoS for the inspiration for Matthew Santos.  


Rahm was the strategist (0.00 / 0)
connected with the healthcare reform initiative in that initially messy Clinton White House.

I just don't get the concept that he is considered competent in anything other than fund raising.  Plus, he's got strong ties to the investment industry (ahem, hedge funds) and he was on the board (might still be, I'm not sure) of Freddie Mac a few years ago.

And that's only a few things that are problematic about Rahm.  There's more.


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I Worked On Healthcare in 1993 (4.00 / 2)
as a Hill staffer and a member of the Healthcare Task Force.  Rahm was a bit player in that process.  The key staffer for health reform was Ira Magaziner who was a disaster.

Rahm made some mistakes early on but he seems to have learned from them.  The Rahm of today is much better and more accomplished than the Rahm of 1993-94.


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Actually. . . (0.00 / 0)
As jmnyc said, Rahm was a bit player in health care and Hillary tried to fire him.  He was part of that post-heath care crew that ran circles around the GOP until Lewinsky.

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Co-opted (0.00 / 0)
The Gergen - Morris era Clinton White House didn't exactly run circles around the GOP.  Rather, the Dems went reactionary and promulgated more "moderate" versions of GOP legislation as their own.  Of course the MSM lapped it up, enshrining Bubba as the "greatest politician of his generation," when he was little more than a self-aggrandizing sell out who help fulfill the Goldwater/Reagan conservative agenda that has put us in such a hole.  

That being said, Emmanuel is a whore, but he'll be implementing Obama's agenda.  On the plus side, like Hillary Clinton, for all her myriad faults, Rahm understands that American politics are fundamentally partisan in nature.  We on the left shouldn't make the mistake of confusing a campaign with a political movement and keep up the pressure on this newest version of DLC-style conciliation with (read: surrender to) the radical right.  


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Executive vs. Legislative (4.00 / 2)
Rahm's defining governing characteristic has been to approach legislation almost entirely from the perspective of how it will play in an election.

Granted that's bad. But exactly how does that impact a position as WH chief of staff? That position does not craft or vote on legislation. But, it does require a person who "gets things done", who is willing to step on toes to make sure orders received are orders implemented (it is the executive branch after all ... ).

This may work out quite well: Rahm removed from a (legislative) position where he was very likely causing issues, and put into an executive position where his manner (sharp elbows and all) might be useful.


We will have to see... (4.00 / 6)
Emanuel is an opinionated pit bull who knows how to work the house... The VP is Joe Biden who clearly knows how to work the Senate.   My opinion is that Obama SPECIFICALLY wanted Emanuel the man, not someone in the mold of Emanuel.  I think he wants some people who can work the house and senate... who are pit bulls in doing so... Emanuel has that capability.  If he follows orders he could be a valuable asset for whipping up support for Obama's policy.  I don't think Emanuel is going to influence policy as much as he is going to be the hammer to get it passed.  

There some campaign things we questioned that ended up being exactly the right call... lets wait and see.    


That's a good point (4.00 / 1)
Obama's very first selections were two men who are largely unparalleled in their respective experience in the Senate and House. I doubt that is by accident. Obama knows Congressional Dems won't roll over and play dead like the Reps did for Bush, and his is preparing for that from the outset.  

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Correct... and... (0.00 / 0)
As the campaign juggernaut showed, Obama has a real talent (dare I use the overplayed 'genius'?) for organization.  This, I think, is a part of that: Biden and Emanuel are both exceptional and experienced policy implementers.   The more I think about it, the more brilliant it looks...  

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another land speed record (2.00 / 2)
For Obama-bashing.  Stoller's still ahead, Chris.  You guys simply kill me.  November Freaking Sixth ... and you're already pronouncing yourself "troubled."  Who needs GOP sniping when we've got "our" netroots?

No no no (4.00 / 6)
Don't be stupid.  This stuff matters.

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Your Right... (4.00 / 2)
We need to watch out and push to be heard... Look what (thankfully) happened to the Religious Right after the 2004 election...

I think we need to push, I just think Chris is mistaken in his analysis.  Only time will tell and I'm sure Chris will be the first to say he hopes he is wrong.


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OK. It matters... (0.00 / 0)
Don't be stupid.  This stuff matters.

November the 6th doesn't leave a lot of time for that 'Don't be stupid' part... If this stuff matters, thinking bout it deeply and coming to a sober and grounded conclusion matters also.

But reflexive sniping isn't  going to be helpful in any case.  

Obama will disappoint.  He has no choice.  No one can possibly live up to those expectations.   If he chose a different CoS there'd be some calling him a milquetoast, or not hard-ass enough...   How's about we all chillax a bit on this...  


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I'm here to defend our interests, not our heros (4.00 / 4)
I'm not particularly worried about the Emanuel pick for COS -- to the extent that he doesn't share Obama's vision of politics, it might be a matter of Obama keeping him close enough to control and keep an eye on him, while he gets Emanuel to keep things working efficiently in the White House.

In any case, the political reality that we create (or fail to create) is what will force reform, not the personality quirks of Obama's staff.

And anyway, this post isn't "Obama bashing" -- it's judging the decisions he's making as President-Elect.  We stop doing that, we might as well give up completely.


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Another way to think about it. (4.00 / 4)
If his views towards these things are as you say they are then having such a person in the House when you're trying to do other things would be an obstacle.  Instead of Rahm pushing back against what Obama wants from Congress out of these fears, he has to take Obama's orders or he's out of a job.  And it takes his hands out of the DCCC.

He seems a very capable political actor.  I'd rather have him taking my orders than organizing votes against me.


Obama appreciates the value of diversity (4.00 / 1)
Coming from an unusual background he appreciates the value of diversity enough to not appoint a bunch of like minded people in charge of everything.

You will find that to be true more as time goes on.  If you want to see what an Obama admin will look like look to Joe Biden, the guy he wants to replace him if something bad happens.

Really what it says is that Obama is going to have an extremely aggressive legislative schedule and he will need insiders who know how to work the levers of power to get things done.  

In short what this says about Obama is that he not only knows how to campaign, but he also knows how to govern.  You are looking at this from a campaign mode, but Obama is now in governing mode.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....


I'm not ready to pass judgement on CoS Rahm (4.00 / 3)
But, as a Chicagoan, I can't wait for the Special Election.

We will have an opportunity to replace Rahm with someone far, FAR more progressive.

Which will be awesome.  This seat hasn't had a good Representative since before I can remember (Rahm, Blago, Some Republican (briefly), Rostenkowski).

I'm looking forward to the announcements.  I'm currently leaning toward State Rep. John Fritchey, who's spent a number of years now helping eradicate the smell of Rostenkowski from the northwest side.


oh yeah, and John Fritchey is a... (0.00 / 0)
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Analyzing Obama's Picks: Two Thoughts (4.00 / 6)
Thinking about this some more, two quasi-contradictory thoughts cross my mind.

1) We are analyzing Obama's choices primarily by where these people fall along the left-right axis.  However, I don't think Obama himself is really thinking that way.  Obama seems to be primarily interested in competence, knowledge and skills, not ideology.  This means we can't read too much into the picks in term of projecting where Obama plans to lead the country.

2) But ideology really matters!  Who Obama surrounds himself with will greatly influence how he approaches problems and their solutions.  As he seeks advice and bounces ideas off of others the results will largely be a product of the ideology of those nearest the president.  In this regard, even the CoS's ideology matters.  It is important we keep the pressure on for Obama to surround himself with as many progressives as possible.


Regarding #2 (4.00 / 2)
I think this is precisely why I like this pick (well, that and his apparent capacity to get things done).

Obama has always struck me as willing to receive opinions contrary to his own, process them and utilize them if the situation merits.  What a breathe of fresh air!

Surrounding himself with non-yes men is exactly what I want to see.  I want my President getting multiple views of every issue and making an informed judgement.

Ideology around the President does matter, and in my opinion, having varied ideologies is exactly the way to go.

Team of Rivals and all that...


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
My goal is to have a competent, successful and progressive administration which listens to a variety opinions.  I have no interest in replicating a liberal version of the last 8 yrs of yes men.  

Successful Presidents attempt to learn all sides of major issues before making decisions.  Many made fun of Clinton's all night policy sessions but it allowed him to make well informed decisions.  I didn't agree with them all but at least I knew they weren't made in an echo chamber.


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Secs (0.00 / 0)
Obama's choice of cabinet will tell us a lot more about which direction he is headed. I expect to see a lot of bipartisan, centrist bullcrap in State, DoD, Homeland Security, etc. What I am most interested in are his picks for AG, Education, Labor, EPA, FCC appointments, and other agencies oriented towards domestic policy. Those are the places a strong progressive voice can do the most good.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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Ideology Is More (0.00 / 0)
important in staff driven elected officials than ones who set their own agendas.  Reagan's WH staff was incredibly powerful because he was not a detail guy and delegated lots of decisions.  Clinton's WH staff was less powerful because Clinton was involved in most major decisions.

From everything I can tell Obama does not seem like a staff driven pol.  Quite the opposite - he knows where he wants to go and a guy like Emmanuel can get him there.  

I like the choice.


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Ambinder take - seems to be along Chris's lines (4.00 / 1)
http://marcambinder.theatlanti...

Advisers say that Obama has sent a not-so-subtle message to Congress: President-Elect Obama will not cede much agenda-setting ground to liberals. While outside Democrats are interpreting Emanuel's selection as an institutional message for Nancy Pelosi, Obama advisers concede that Emanuel's ties to key party centrists and blue dog Democrats will be criticial to smoother relationships between the executive and legislative branches.  (Emanuel is more liberal than these centrists, but he's not nearly the ideologue that people seem to think he is.)

Behind the scenes, Obama himself and many key aides have been making overtures to conservative Democrats.  These Democrats want budget off-sets included with every expensive piece of legislation that Obama sends to the Hill; at the very least, they want the White House to incorporate centrists in decision-making.

It goes on to say Obama has good relations with Pelosi and Reid,and is aware of Clinton's problems with Congress.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


Yep (4.00 / 1)
The conservative Democrats are making their power play while we sit and debate whether it's too soon to attack Obama.

We need to make our own power plays and remind Obama where is base is.


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Judging by his actions during the past year or so (0.00 / 0)
the base is only important for about eight weeks, every four years -- during the period between the convention and the election.

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Or you could (0.00 / 0)
"grow liberalism".

Cart, meet horse.


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Obama's base (0.00 / 0)
is the Democratic party.

Yes progressives need to keep pushing Obama but we also have to accept that all the change we want isn't achievable in one 2 year session or even a 4 year term.  And like it not, we've accepted the Blue Dogs into the Tent, so they get a voice.  It going to take a long time to recover from Bush and Reagan and even some of Clinton.

I understand the concerns that Emanuel represents, but I've been watching Obama for a while now, and I see no reason to stop trusting his judgment now.  Personally, I think Obama needs a pit bull in that position... and he went out and got himself a pit bull.

What we should all do is let Obama have the room he needs to lead.  That means we have to support him the best we can, remind him how he got where he is and hope for the best.  


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"It going to take a long time to recover from Bush and Reagan and even some of Clinton." (0.00 / 0)
Clearly.

The big question is whether or not we are even going to start to recover, or we are just going back to a clintonian stasis.

Rahm's appointment doesnt' tell us that much about the answer to that question.  

Now, if Larry Summers or Bob Rubin get the Treasury job, we'll have a much clearer answer.  We need to mobilize about that right now.  That, and preventing Hagel's appointment.


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I get the feeling he wants him to manage the transition (4.00 / 2)
and needs someone who knows the White House from the inside.

That said, I'm terrified that this is going to lead to a Clinton-esque administration.

I'm also worried that Obama is going to be overly cautious, which my concern about him in the primary. So much for the "stealth liberal progressive" becoming "our Reagan".

But let's see what happens next.


sometimes you need to clear the palate (4.00 / 1)
i think that's what obama is, ideologically.  no more no less.  not that any of us really know.  but thinking that he wouold be an ideologue like Reagan is beyond reasonable thought.  he hasn't shown a single sign of anything like that.  the best you could hope for is a hidden interest in some backdoor stuff to lay the groundwork for a more progressive agenda in the future and a few things to hem around the edges.  The bulk of the stuff that gets passed is going to be idiotic but necessary shit that really the republican party should have done but it dind't because it went off the deepend.  things like fixing levees and bridges and fixing heath care financing etc.

i don't think it will be clintonesque because clinton was both uniquely incompetent in his first two years and uniquely treacherous in his last six.  I don't think obama would have run if he thought that was where he wanted to be - seems like a decent guy.


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Also, (4.00 / 1)
I just don't see another 1994 happening, and that was what crippled Clinton far more than anything else.  

If Obama can fix things and at least make government start working again, he'll build up enough goodwill to be able to enable the Democrats to really do something.

Also, I just hope that we can get some decent policy originating from Congress.  


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from where in congress? (0.00 / 0)
i saw nothing during the bailout debate that showed any indication that the democratic leadership is going to originate anything remotely progressive.

i agree with you about 1994 though - there's no hidden block of votesr waiting to switch from the Democratic to the Republilcan parties now with a few missteps.  Though i think paul often brings up a good point about clinton's own responsibility for 1994 through the advocacy of nafta.  I also remember that the Congressional Democrats were PISSED because he pushed a tax increase and they all lost their jobs.


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Pelosi really does want to do things (0.00 / 0)
at least, that's kind of how I read it.  It's all a matter of making the caucus better.  And it has gotten better.  Rahm leaving Congress is going to improve Congress, if only because he'll get replaced by someone (though it admittedly might be a blue dog).  If we're lucky, Reid will lose his Majority Leader job (is there a way to help organize a 'replace Reid' campaign?).  

There's hope for Congress.  A lot of challenges, to, but hope nonetheless.


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you are a highly optimistic human being (0.00 / 0)
we like :)

we disagree,  but we like :)


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Hmm (0.00 / 0)
I think Obama wants to pass successive legislation and continue increasing Dem margins in Congress. In other words, Obama wants the exact opposite of Clinton's administration.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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exactly. (0.00 / 0)
Sweeping into washington and trying to fix everything in 100 days would be unworkable. Move foward on what you can, and with a couple of elections it gets ratified by the voters and turns into a governing majority that can continue ot make progress, and becomes things which republicans will be afraid to touch. Passing legislation and then winning elections with it is how you create that. Clinton stalled out and then pushed initiative that were fundamentally conservative. That is much different from what obama has proposed. there are a lot of big problems to work on, and trying to do them without any planning and consensus building means less will get done, and not well.

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Yin and Yang (4.00 / 4)
Rahm and David Axelrod team-presented a few sessions of a class I took at Northwestern.  This was 11 years ago. I get that he's not a progressive, but he never came across as a bad guy.  What totally came across was that Axelrod is the idealistic "the goal of a campaign is not just to get 50% of the vote +1" half, while Rahm is the half that gets stuff done. I believe his quote was "maybe not, but it helps." I figure that's exactly who you want as COS. Someone who is going to take personal pride in the "getting it done" and is actually capable of sublimating his own policy agenda. And having both of them is exactly how it should be. But I've always been sort of a fangirl about the pair of them.


yes (0.00 / 0)
I think looking at it in terms of the team, not just grading each person on an ideological scale. You can't have a team of people who all think the same or you won't know when something could go wrong. Obama seems to be a good leader, and that means getting a diversity of people together and moving them where he wants to go.

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Fun Fact (4.00 / 1)
Josh from The West Wing is based (at least in part) on Rahm Emanuel.

I like the pick. The GOP isn't going to suddenly curl up and die, and having a guy like Emanuel who can out-tough them is handy. He's not making the Policy, President Obama is, he's merely facilitating it.

My response to Republicans who told me to leave the US if I didn't like the 2004 Election results:
"To hell with that, we're taking this place back!"


I like the Emanuel pick (0.00 / 0)
Even if you don't agree with him on policy, I think it comes down to one word: effectiveness.  I think Obama wants to make real progress while avoiding getting mired down by the whims of a powerful Democratic majority in congress.  Emanuel will strongly push Obama's plans through, so he will have something demonstrable to run on in 2012.

The question is whether Obama is the type (0.00 / 0)
to listen to and follow Rahm or do what he wants to do. He seems to be his own man not a follower. Rahm has to listen to him or lose his job not the other way around.  

I like Rahm (0.00 / 0)
in this role because he's tough and smart.

His role is to get the staff to execute the game plan.

Is there anyone better suited?

I don't think so.


So what did he accomplish? (4.00 / 1)
So those of you extolling his competence, I'm genuinely uncertain here: what has he accomplished?  My feeling, echoed by a few others here, is that the 2006 gains were due to 1) the overall political/economic environment, and (to a much lesser extent) 2) Dean and the broader strategies of the Democratic party.  Rahm didn't blow it, but I didn't see too much evidence that he hugely improved things.

And even if you grant that he was skilled electorally, the White House job seems much more like what he did in the House of Reps itself.  Which was what?  As far as I can tell, this was the most disappointing Democratic-run session in memory, and  had supremely low approval to boot.  Even apart from the ideology of his behavior, what about that signals competence?


The idea is that he speaks 'insiderese' (0.00 / 0)
You're going to need someone who the Blue Dogs and whatnot trust in order to communicate to them about policy.  If it takes having Rahm there in order to convince them to do what should have been in their own interest anyway, I can live with that.

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The language of the Blue Dogs (0.00 / 0)
is corporate welfare. I'm not sure I want someone who's fluent in that.

Montani semper liberi

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If you can claim that UHC is corporate welfare (0.00 / 0)
because it means that government will pay for health care rather than employers, perhaps we pick up a couple of votes.  Perhaps not, but the Chief of Staff is there to whip votes, not to formulate policy.  If Rahm's job is going to be to justify progressive policy to moderates and conservatives, then I can live with him.  

If it's going to be changing progressive policy to moderate policy,, then it's obviously bad.  We don't know which one it is just yet.


[ Parent ]
No, I claim corporate welfare is corporate welfare. (0.00 / 0)
The Blue Dogs represent the extraction industries (and I include Big Ag in there) and military contractors. Their mission is to keep government spending flowing for those constituencies while blocking it for everyone else.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
I understand what corporate welfare is (0.00 / 0)
But things get passed through Congress by selling them as things that they are not.  The free school lunch program started out as a farm subsidy.  The interstate highway system was justified as a way to evacuate cities in the case of a Soviet nuclear strike.  

We are going to need Blue Dog votes to pass anything.  If we take a job whose main purpose is to whip Congressional votes, and give it to someone who can justify these policies as something that benefits their coprorate overlords (whether or not it actually does, then we have a win.  And there is an argument that UHC is good for corporate America.  GM has endorsed it, after all.

If Rahm is actually formulating policy in the white house, then we have a loss.  

I'm going to stay agnostic on this one, at least till I see who gets the Treasury, State and Defense jobs.  


[ Parent ]
So you think Blue Dogs can simply be tricked? (0.00 / 0)
Tell them a piece of legislation is for the benefit of their corporate masters when really it is not?

Doesn't seem workable to me. Whatever else they may be they're not stupid, and they know how to count.

The real problem is this assumption that Emmanuel, like Obama, is "really" on our side, and only pretends to agree with DLC/Blue Dogs etc. to manipulate them. I think it's just as likely he is really on their side and only pretends to agree with us.

Or maybe the problem is with a model of politics that denies sides even exist, and is therefore unprepared to deal with conflict when it inevitably arises.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
Not necessarily tricked (0.00 / 0)
A significant subset of corporations can be brought to our side on certain issues.  (of course, on others, not so much).  Passing legislation through congress is a matter of coalition building.  Getting someone who is trusted by the most easily persuadable subset of Congress that we need (it'll be easier to get these idiots on board than, say Chris Shays-type Republicans) to be the person whipping them isn't a horrible idea, unless, like you say, he ends up undermining things.  

Like I say above, I reserve judgment until we see the high profile Cabinet appointments.  If we get Larry Summers or Bob Rubin heading Treasury, then I will have a much clearer idea about how to interpret this pick.  If it's Robert Reich, that, too, will be a clue in the other direction.

It's time to start organizing and pushing both Congress and Obama on things.  


[ Parent ]
By the way, (0.00 / 0)
UHC is one of these subsets.  Corporations hate paying for health insurance, and they know they are getting screwed by the insurance companies as much as anyone else does.  GM's health insurance plan is going to bankrupt them.  Even Wal-Mart would like to not look so bad for not providing their employees with health care.

Not to mention all of the companies that are employing their workers part-time in order to avoid paying their health insurance.  

Aside from the health care corporations, UHC is corporate Americas' interest--it is part of the reason for why the US has been lagging relative to Europe recently.  It's not lying or trickery to sell it to the corporatists as such.  Convince those who will be convinced using justice and decency.  Then try to build the rest of the coalition by using dollars and cents.  Not every one in a particular coalition need have the entire country's best interests at heart.


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I think this is a true and valid concern (0.00 / 0)
It is the same reason Obama met with a group of Blue Dogs some weeks back. This is actually reassuring, Obama is taking concrete steps to make sure the deficit-hawks don't stop him from spending untold hundreds of billions of dollars on his economic recovery plan - which I bet will include not only his tax reform and new regulations, but also a lot of big ticket items like energy and infrastructure investment. If he doesn't frame it as a Keynesian stimulus, he really has no chance of passing the more expensive components of his agenda.


"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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I'm watching Howard Dean. he says Rahm "knows Washington". (0.00 / 0)
This is tolerable. As Dean suggested, if Rahm knows all the power players in Washington, then Obama is going to need somebody like that to "get it done".

Rahm wouldn't be a policy-maker. He'd be a politicker.

At least, that's the best spin I can put on this right now. Let's hope the spin is close to the truth.


hmm (0.00 / 0)
Over the last few years, I agree with Kagro X in that it appears that Rahm's defining governing characteristic has been to approach legislation almost entirely from the perspective of how it will play in an election. That is a big negative, both because we just suffered through too much of that during the Bush administration and because it is a erroneous way of viewing the relationship between legislation and elections. People don't vote for or against you because of how you voted in legislation in the abstract. Instead, people vote for or against you because of how the legislation you voted on affected their lives. As such, the key is to pass legislation that will make most people's lives better, not legislation that will look good in the abstract the moment it is passed. The Bush administration was constantly focused on passing legislation that looked good in the abstract the moment it was passed. However, not matter how good the legislation looked once it was passed, it ended up ruining people's lives, and so those people voted against Republicans later on.

which leads to the question...what makes you think that the Bush Administration cared whether they were succeeded by another Republican?  It's not like they're going to suffer, most of their friends profiteered off their efforts, they got massive redistribution of wealth and power in ways they wanted, and have locked the next administration into a fiscal, economic, and military crisis and the next several administrations into a Roberts-led court. In the final telling, they seem to be more about consolidating gains through interests and insitutions than they are about party or market - the "we're doing it for elections" stuff was mostly on the surface except for the social conservative agenda that actually got a pro-rich agenda through.

I think, though, that you're right that it's exceptionally moronic for a Democrat to pursue the same agenda because they haven't consolidated their base.  The anti-Bush vote is not going to work in 8 years when incumbency is lost.


gatekeeper (0.00 / 0)
the people i'd think will be most concerned about this pick are the downstream folks in the Executive Branch. will people two or three levels down the food chain have to worry about whether or not Rahm likes them to get access, to have voices heard, to get action? will even Cabinet members have to tread carefully or start seeing very interesting leaks appear in the Post? unless there's another person handling in-house stuff while Rahm handles the outhouse (ie Congress) ...  

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.

Senior Advisor trumps CoS (4.00 / 1)
It's worth noting, as you analyze this decision, that Axelrod will essentially outrank Rahm.  To run with the West Wing analogy (oversimplified, but useful here) Rahm is basically still Josh, and Axelrod is Leo.  I suspect that Axelrod will be keep Obama focused primarily on long-ball, big-win stuff, while Rahm handles questions of what can get done today.  Personally, I think that dynamic has the potential to prove extremely effective.

Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
We shouldn't forget who is in Obama's inner circle - and who got there first.  

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

[ Parent ]
my guess (0.00 / 0)
Obama plans to "govern from the middle"

without too many specific ideas about what that will mean

except not too hot, and not too cold

my guess is that Obama thinks that Rahm will be flexible and effective

my guess is that Obama will have much less opportunity to initiate any plan than he thinks or hopes

events have a way of overtaking plans


CoS Is More About Competence Than Ideology (4.00 / 2)
I have worked in relative high ranking positions for elected officials and I like this pick.  Rahm is smart and understands how to get advance an agenda.  Having watched the disaster the Clinton WH was under Mack McCarty and seen how it improved under Leon Panetta (also a former member of Congress) this tells me Obama wants to hit the ground running and get stuff done.

I have worked professionally for a number of elected officials including being on the staff of two members of Congress.  I was never asked in any of my interviews what my stands on specific issues were.  I was asked about my experience, management abilities and other job related skills.  In short, they knew what they wanted to do and they wanted to know if I could execute their agenda.

The mistaken belief being advanced here is that the staff makes the decisions and the elected follows them.  It is the opposite. I am not saying that staff can't have influence here and there but Obama is clearly not a staff driven politician.  He is a person who knows where he wants to go and will hire people who can him there.  


He's an asshole... (0.00 / 0)
... but he's our asshole.

Only a problem if Obama weren't 10x more wilfull and 1000x more intelligent.  


One Other Thought (4.00 / 2)
Many conservatives said similar things when Ronald Reagan hired Jim Baker to be CoS in 1981.  Baker had worked for Ford and wasn't seen as a movement conservative by the hardcore Reagan supporters.

It turned out to be a great move b/c Baker understood DC and the Hill and got the Reagan agenda passed.  

The importance of a CoS who can move the agenda can't be underestimated.


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