Dingell to Obama, New Members: "But I'm Good on Health Care!"

by: Matt Stoller

Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 10:18


The fight over the Energy and Commerce chairmanship is really the fight over the next Congress, and all their forces are gathered to protect John Dingell's slow-walk stance on global warming.  The lobbying of the newly elected members if furious, on both sides.  Now, you're going to hear a lot of polite talk about how Dingell has a respectable plan on climate change that is less aggressive than the progressive alternative on climate change, but that's DC nonsense borne of a fear of the vindictive Dingell.  Dingell's plan doesn't even start capping carbon emissions until 2030.  It's a non-starter.  It's designed by the coal and auto industry, and its authors even want to preempt existing California mandates on carbon emissions.

But Dingell is good on health care.  Well, by good, I mean he has pushed 'single-payer' for literally decades, while preventing action on drug prices and appointing most of the members of the Energy and Commerce Committee that killed Clinton's health care plan, because they were reliable pro-auto industry votes on other issues Dingell prioritized (there aren't a lot of single payer pro-polluting members out there).  But health care is all Dingell has, so he's emphasizing his willingness to work on health care with Obama in return for keeping his chairmanship of the enormously powerful Energy and Commerce Committee.  Obama has appointed Waxman's former Chief of Staff Phil Schiliro as his Congressional liaison, and his EPA transition chief, Robert Sussman, is on record rejecting Dingell's bill out of hand, even as a starting point.  Unlike the Lieberman fight, where Obama is putting his thumb on the scale for Lieberman, it's not clear if Obama will meddle in the House, even though Waxman's take on most E&C issues - including net neutrality and broadband - are far more in sync with the incoming administration than Dingell's.

Matt Stoller :: Dingell to Obama, New Members: "But I'm Good on Health Care!"
So it's a caucus fight.  And in that sense, Waxman, like Pelosi, is simply more progressive on the merits of industrial policy, and that's a very powerful incentive for what is an increasing progressive caucus.  Over 150 Democrats supported Waxman's 'principles' for climate change by signing this letter which commits to four elements: reduce emissions to avoid dangerous global warming, build a clean energy economy, mitigate economic impacts of global warming legislation, and mitigate impacts of climate change on communities and ecosystems.  This includes Dingell supporters like the immensely awful New Jersey Congressman Rob Andrews, so these aren't all Waxman votes.  But it's a good floor to work from.

So far, Dingell has K Street behind him with a letter from chief of staff Michael Robbins to lobbyists:

As you have probably heard, Chairman Dingell quickly organized a whip team and began making phone calls. The response has been outstanding. Chairman Dingell locked up a substantial number of commitments across the caucus yesterday including Blue Dogs, New Dems, CBC and CHC Members, California members, leadership, and freshmen.

Additionally, center-right local press, right-wing pundits and organizations support Dingell with sentences like this: "In our history, few members of Congress have been held in such broad bipartisan respect as John Dingell has since taking office in 1955."  The polluters are going all out for Dingell, but much of the action on the liberal side is opaque.  So far, Moveon, the most outspoken opponent against Dingell, having run Dingell-saurus radio ads against him for his stance on climate change and incurred his wrath, is silent.  Much of the environmental space is silent.  And the blog space is largely focused on Lieberman.

What's interesting is to watch as the freshman class we just elected is shaped by this internal fight, away from the public eye.  And it's shaped by two competing visions of liberalism.  Dingell, an old industrial liberal who voted against the war, wants single payer health care and subsidies to polluters and drug companies and automakers, and is against action on climate change, and the other, a bad war vote with excellent follow-up investigations challenging the Bush administration and the hedge fund industry, a long-time progressive who believes there is no trade-off between the economy and the environment.  This is not a simple left-right dichotomy, though Dingell has insulted Waxman by calling him a left-wing anti-manufacturing Democrat.  It is, though, becoming a simple left-right dichotomy, even as someone who was once one of the most liberal icons of Congress moves more and more into the corner of the reactionary forces that will bake our planet.


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Symbolism vs. Reality (0.00 / 0)
Superb piece.

As mentioned previously, knocking off Dingell would count as a real, consequential victory- not merely a symbolic one.

These are the battles we should be fighting.

How about a sponsored petition on this?



Credo Action Has A Petition Up (0.00 / 0)
Here's the link

Here's what they're asking you to sign:  

It's time to replace the "Congressman from General Motors" with someone who will take action to stop global warming. As Chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, John Dingell has voted with Big Oil and the auto industry time and time again. When it comes to fighting climate change, Congressman Henry Waxman has a far stronger record. When you cast your vote for the next Chair of the Energy and Commerce Committee, please do the right thing. Please vote for Congressman Waxman.



Saxby Chambliss, worse than disgraceful; he's reprehensible.  

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Beggers can't be choosers (4.00 / 1)
The auto industry needs a bailout, and maybe that should be contingent on Dingell getting out of the way.

I know the idea of bailing out Detroit is probably not popular here, but 20% unemployment in Michigan would probably be more expensive in the long run.

25 billion in loans was already allocated in September, but nothing has been done with it yet. Any additional money would probably come out of the 700 billion bailout already passed.

Given that the auto companies are on the verge of complete collapse, there's an opportunity here to force them to stop dragging their feet on fuel economy and global warming.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


Well, being from MI and having met Dingell once (4.00 / 3)
I think it is time for Dingell to step aside.  Things are certainly perilous here in Michigan.  I work for an automotive supplier that is healthy at the moment but could easily succumb to the strong undertoe of very weak auto sales.  And Dingell has been a strong advocate for the auto industry and protected millions of jobs.  However, Dingell strongly advocated what the auto industry wanted him to advocate.  Dingell has been a great representative for an industry with TWO of it's main headquarters in his district.  But what the auto industry has wanted hasn't been what Michigan and America has needed.

I've written often to the UAW and to Senators Levin and Stabenow urging them to push the auto industry harder on fuel efficiency.  Today's $1.50 gas will give us $4 gas tomorrow but we'll still be driving dinosaurs.  We can have more fuel efficient SUVs.  The big 3 have resisted building more fuel efficient vehicles because of profit margins.  The profit margins had been excellent for the big 3 up until about 2003.  Since then it's been a very short sighted and slow bleed.  Dingell and the auto industry forced themselves into a corner of trying to sustain an unworkable business model.  High profit margin, large, heavy, fuel inefficient vehicles.  The auto industry not just claimed but insisted that these types of vehicles were the only thing that could keep the North American production lines humming.  And Dingell, faced with the prospect of hundreds of thousands of good paying UAW jobs being dumped, over and over again succumbed to the industry's wishes.  
In 2005, Ford employed over 100,000 hourly workers.  Today that number stands at less than 60,000.  The myopic vision of clinging to an inflexible business model that could not adapt to fast changing consumer demands and tastes has led to it's inevitable conclusion, disaster.
Now, I have some reservations about Waxman at the head of the commitee.  Waxman may not understand or respect the long product cycle times of the auto industry.  I am currently working of the designs for the 2010 model year.  So, you see, the horrible trap that the auto industry is in.  2009 cars and trucks are already designed, changes for 2010 will be minimal and costly at this late stage. However, it is not all gloom and doom.  Ford and GM both have European designs that can and should meet American consumer demands.  However, the cost and problems of retooling are big.  Thousands of parts need to be supplied from local suppliers, etc.  Unfortunately, this will take time, years.  

So, in general, I feel that Waxman would put the American auto industry on a healthier and more environmentally friendly trajectory.

The recent edition of Automotive News listed over a dozen design improvements that can yield anywhere from 0.5% to 7% in fuel efficiency, of course costs vary, from $38/car to over $300/car.  Waxman could help by possibly mandating some of these improvements or use tax incentives or credits to "encourage" the industry to more rapidly implement these design improvements.  Dingell probably won't, he'll leave it all up to the auto industry to do on a voluntary basis as they panic or which improvement the consumer may or may not pay for.  As dire as the situation is here in metro Detroit, and it is dire, I'm optimistic.  Regardless of how many times KOS says we build "shitty cars".

PS Some type of health care reform that would reduce the huge cost burden on the big 3 would go a LONG way to helping the auto industry  


Dingell needs to go. (4.00 / 3)
    I agree with most of what gaspare wrote. However, if GM fails, I think Michigan unemployment would go to 30% and the national number would go over 10%. The financial institution crisis should convince people that the US is too large to become a "service economy". We can't all make a living selling each other worthless pieces of paper called financial instruments. Truth is, we need to boost our manufacturing sector to put some "goods" into the "goods and services" equation. Helping the auto companies survive and re-tool should just be a starting point.  

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agreed, help with very strong strings (0.00 / 0)
don't pull up a dump truck full of money, and then "trust" the auto companies to spend it wisely. I say, NO.

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I wonder if (0.00 / 0)
Lynn Rivers here and here for starters (voted against the war, but I think for the Bankruptcy Bill) is interested in running against Dingell again.

Be interesting to start raising money for a candidate now, as a way to exert a little pressure ...


I don't know anything about Dingell (0.00 / 0)
except his unwaivering support the auto industry.  MI is on board with green jobs and believes this is the only way to save domestic autos.  You may be removing the only champion MI has got.  We are a donor state, in trouble, and losing jobs.   46% of MI homes are in danger of foreclosure.   If green jobs and zero oil is good for MI, Dingell will be on board.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

We Need Dingell (0.00 / 0)
I'm a University of Michigan student, and so, naturally, I am quite liberal. Normally, that would indicate that I would support Waxman for chairman of Energy and Commerce, but I think at this juncture we need Dingell.

First, Dingell has been an ardent supporter of more stringent environmental initiatives for 50 years. He championed acts such as the Clean Air/Water Acts and the Endangered Species Act just to name a few. Yes, over past few years he has sided with the auto industry when it comes to CAFE standards, an act that I find regrettable. However, that is done now, and the fact remains that forcing stronger CAFE standards on our already fragile auto companies would just further drive them into the grave. Yes, they must produce more fuel efficient cars in order to survive, but at this point they must do so at their own pace as to not go under.

Second, as you wrote, Dingell is good on health care. Great, in fact. From proposing universal health care to every congress since 1955, to championing SCHIP, Dingell has been on the right side of the health care debate for his entire career. Also, it would truly be a shame, now that there's a good chance for universal health care to pass, if Dingell were not chair. He has worked so hard for health care reform for so long, and to take this victory away from him would truly be wrong.

Third, and this is something that hasn't been brought up in hardly any online debates (and trust me, I've been looking!), Waxman would be chair of a powerful committee, and would be able to direct a lot of money to California. With the Speaker and 4 other powerful chairs from the California delegation, California would have an disproportionate level of influence in the House.

For all of these reasons - his 50 years of unwavering action to protect the environment and pass universal health care, and California's already large influence in the house - we need to retain Dingell as chair of Energy and Commerce.  


Dingell: Fighting for America (0.00 / 0)
Two years ago I did not vote for Congressman Dingell for a lot of the stereotypes and beliefs listed above; however, after working for him this summer, my views completely changed.  I saw the vigor and compassion he possesses in his daily routine of representing the 15th congressional district and the American people on Capitol Hill.  He would enter the office early in the morning and would work with a crammed schedule until long after I left; this work load is not for the faint hearted.  Even though he is the Dean of the House of Representatives, he still enjoys supporting the things that American people care about: universal health care, comprehensive climate change laws, consumer protection, and supporting veterans.  

He is one of the few members of the House who has a proven record for fighting for the American people.  His experience on Capitol Hill gives him the ability to work with both sides of the aisle and form bi-partisan legislation.  He has shown time and time again he can move difficult legislation through congress; this legislation is exactly what the American people need passed.  He questioned the Bush administration's lack of port security and uncovered numerous instances of federal corruption and waste.   He proposes legislation to address global warming and climate change by limiting carbon emissions.  This is something that benefits all Americans.

He also knows the auto companies like no other person on Capitol Hill.  Between his knowledge and experience, he is exactly what congress needs to get us out of this economic recession.  His love for and dedication to this country makes me proud to be an American.


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