Wednesday Lieberman Update

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 15:19


Here is a quick round-up of Lieberman related news:

  1. No new public Lieberman supporters. Yesterday, I identified eight Senators as likely Lieberman supporters. Five of the eight--Inouye, Landrieu, Ben Nelson, Pryor and Salazar--are both Gang of 14 members, and were also public supporters of Lieberman in 2006 even after he lost the primary to Democratic nominee Ned Lamont. No surprise on these five, as they have regularly and actively undermined the Democratic caucus in the past. The other three are Evan Bayh (former DLC chair), Chris Dodd (fellow nutmeger), and Tom Carper of Delaware (the other public Lieberman supporters in 2006). This is relevant because it shows there is nothing remotely surprising about the Politico article on Lieberman's support group. Everyone mentioned in the Politico article is drawn from these eight, which is actually a good sign. If the Politico couldn't dig up any public supporters not from this group of eight, then Lieberman has not grown the size of his supporter group.

  2. Media narrative on Lieberman willfully misleading, or just plain ignorant? Kagro X discusses how the Washington Post continues to frame the Lieberman fight as a struggle over whether or not to keep in the caucus, rather than the accurate struggle over whether or not he keeps the chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee. Given how pro-Lieberman the traditional media was during the 2006 Senate campaign, this sort of willfully misleading writing would not come as a surprise. However, I'd like to throw out a different possibility: the traditional media is actually plain ignorant of the details on the current fight. Keep in mind that the Washington Post considered states where Obama was leading by 7% or more "toss-ups," but states that McCain was leading by less than 5% "Lean McCain." They only changed their electoral map at my urging. So, it is entirely possible that the Washington Post is just bad at this, and is allowing their desired view of the world--evil lefty activists trying to excommunicate Lieberman--get in the way of understanding the actual course of the fight.

  3. Durbin shifting to Lieberman? The most disturbing report of the day is the news that Senator Durbin, #2 in the Democratic leadership, might be shifting his support to Lieberman. This report is all the more disturbing because it comes from Howard Fineman, who was the earlier source indicating that Durbin wanted Lieberman to lose his committee chair. Flipping Durbin might be just the support that Lieberman needs, both because it gives him a foothold within the leadership and because of Durbin's close, Illinois ties to Obama. When we had the entire leadership, a large pool of Lamont supporters, and a large group of freshman to rely upon, I really liked our chances to win this fight. However, if Durbin has flipped, then Lieberman probably has at least an even chance of retaining his chairmanship.

Six days until the vote on Lieberman. Now, more than ever, we need to keep up the pressure on our Democratic Senators. Make contact with one here.

Chris Bowers :: Wednesday Lieberman Update

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I wish I could get inside Durbin's head (0.00 / 0)

 Dick Durbin's always been a solid progressive Democratic presence in the Senate, and a smart, reasonable counterweight to the worst right-wing excesses. And he more than anyone else brought us Barack Obama, at least early in the process.

 Which is why I can't fathom what POSITIVES he could possibly glean out of supporting Joe Lieberman. Durbin is NOT stupid, like Zell Miller or Dan Inhofe. He's GOT to know what WE know -- that Lieberman is a liar, a not-particularly-closeted Republican, and that he very visibly undermined his protege's presidential candidacy. He's GOT to be aware that keeping Lieberman on Homeland Security has the potential to seriously undercut Obama's presidency.

 Something really, really stinks behind the scenes. Does AIPAC have its mitts in this?  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


AIPAC (0.00 / 0)
What the hell does AIPAC have to do with anything?

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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The actions of the senators... (0.00 / 0)

 ...make NO sense, on the surface. Joe Lieberman stabbed Barack Obama in the back with an icepick. He campaigned AGAINST Democrats in the Senate.

   He has a long history of undermining Democrats. This is hardly the first time.

   And the Democratic senators' response is to... reward him?

   It makes zero logical sense. None. UNLESS there's a hidden, external influence here.

   I was speculating that it might be AIPAC. It's not out of the realm of logic.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Groan (0.00 / 0)
That's it; it's a secret cabal of all-powerful Jews. Or the Masons. Or Skull and Bones! Or maybe it's the Tri-lateral Commission.

I know criticism of AIPAC and/or Israel is not antisemitism - I agree with many of those criticisms. But suggesting that they have some sort of mysterious mystical powers of influence is antisemitic. They're just a lobbying group in Washington. They aren't some sort of shady, all-powerful puppet-masters. This reminds me of that idiotic rumor a while back that suggested AIPAC had offered to somehow guarantee Dennis Kucinich's reelection in exchange for some favor.

Here on planet Earth, the logical explanation is that our Senators just want to be part of a big happy club and are afraid to rock the boat.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


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Guess I was naive (0.00 / 0)

 I always thought public office was about governing, not about playing racquetball with your cohorts.

 Seems like "change" was just a word.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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It has nothing to do with mystery or secrecy.... (0.00 / 0)
Just cash, influence, and threats to withhold favor regarding either or both.

Remember, part of what we've been doing is showing that some of these old guards that influence politics in this country aren't quite as insurmountable as perceived.  AIPAC is one of the most feared/respected of the old guard within the Congress.  If they are making noises, some folks are going to worry.  

We have to expose the games in play, show that there are alternatives to bowing to the perceived threats, or both.


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Did KagroX just imply that Sherrod Brown is supporting Lieberman? (0.00 / 0)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

It's unclear at best. But his obfuscation is - not - reassuring.


Sounds like they're closing ranks around him (0.00 / 0)

 What a self-loathing group of jellyfish.

 Joe Lieberman has all the leverage of a plastic spoon. But apparently plastic spoons are strong enough to move Senate majorities.

 My enthusiasm for the next four years has just taken a massive hit.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Setting precedent and stopping future wankers (0.00 / 0)
One thing needs to be made crystal clear: If Lieberman gets a pass then the precedent will be set, allowing Democrats to wank in the future with impunity. This isn't just about punishing past deeds, it's about preventing future bad behavior.

"Don't take much, does it, elected Democrats, to get your balls tucked up." Cf.

I'm starting to think (0.00 / 0)
They've crunched the numbers and don't think they have the votes to oust the perfidious Joe.  It's a bad sign that nobody is on record opposing him.  I think you would see someone try to score points by being the first to publicly toss Lieberman under a bus if the wind was tilting that way.

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