Lierberman's Well Known Lack of Principles Saves His Gavel

by: Daniel De Groot

Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 23:45


It appears Lieberman will keep his position as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Oversight committee:


By JESSE HAMILTON | The Hartford Courant
7:41 PM EST, November 17, 2008

WASHINGTON - Sen. Joe Lieberman may get away with a minor punishment Tuesday morning when the Democratic caucus considers his case -- keeping his most prominent Senate position as chairman of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee, but potentially being stripped of a lesser role, according to a congressional source.

Multiple other outlets are also reporting the same thing:

Daniel De Groot :: Lierberman's Well Known Lack of Principles Saves His Gavel

The tide turned in Lieberman's favor, sources say, after two events in recent weeks.  First, President-elect Obama told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that he wanted Lieberman to stay in the Democratic caucus. Later, in a meeting with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Lieberman told him it would be "unacceptable" for him to give up his gavel. That was considered by some as a veiled threat that Lieberman would jump to caucus with Republicans if he was forced to give up the gavel.


While Lieberman did not publicly threaten to bolt to the Republican Party, another party aide said he was keeping all his options open.

What I think is remarkable in this whole affair has been the universal assumption that if Lieberman is substantively punished, he will not only bolt the caucus but that he will start voting with the GOP on key domestic issues.  That has been the club held over our heads, that "we need Lieberman's vote" to get things done.  But the question I ask then is:  
What, if anything, does Joe Lieberman believe in?
 

Aside from the war stuff where he already votes indistinguishably from Republicans, the line was always "he votes with us on domestic issues."  But by promising to leave the caucus (which no one should care about in the least since control of the majority is not at stake), and the implied threat of voting with the GOP on non-war related issues, we end up with the proposition that Joe Lieberman will vote against his own beliefs to punish the Democrats if they take away his chairmanship.  

I know we all knew Joe Lieberman is this contemptible already, but it does surprise me that this, in essence is his trump card to keep his gavel:  "We all know I'm a snivelling wretch who will do anything for power, so if you punish me, I will get revenge by voting with the GOP on everything."

It is a revealing incident in his career, to so publicly out himself a base sociopath.  To basically admit his liberal voting record (a lacklustre 46th most progressive lifetime score) was all just to keep his constituents from kicking him out.  The moment he would have nothing to gain from it anymore (those constituents will almost certainly kick him out in 2012 anyway), he can regress into a full bore conservative and help the GOP filibuster the Democratic domestic agenda.  

I know we are all cynical or at least realistic about politics, but that cynicism usually does not extend to such naked expressions of cynicism by the politicians themselves.  Usually a self-serving vote or position is given a fig leaf of some kind of principle, but if nothing else, this situation has robbed Lieberman of any plausible morally defensible rationale to behave this way.  He is supposed to be socially liberal, and to want things like more health care, better schools, an equitable tax system and so forth.  His constituents certainly want those things, but Lieberman is prepared to vote against his supposed beliefs and their interests if he doesn't get his way on a committee matter.  That's not how it is supposed to work, and yet this is all passing without comment, because we all know (and I mean everyone, including the CW-purveyors) that Lieberman really doesn't have any integrity, that he really is this petty and small.  

While I have little faith Lieberman's vote can really be counted on for key cloture votes on domestic and social issues important to the Democrats, I could understand what the Democrats are futilely trying to do here.  I think it is the wrong thing to do, but I will be happy to admit I am wrong if this manoeuvre buys Lieberman as the 60th vote to get card-check, ENDA or a tax increase on the wealthy through the Senate.  

After all, you can't expect him to vote his conscience, he has just told you he doesn't have one.


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{Bangs head against wall} (0.00 / 0)
Good god, what does it take?  Simple fact is that Democrats will not have 60 votes for cloture even if they keep Lieberman in the caucus.  For that, Alaska, MN, and GA would all need to go our way---we're going to be lucky to get 2 of 3, I think.  

Also, am I the only one who am fully in favor of the so-called "Constitutional Option" if the Republicans start filibustering everything?  

Saxby Chambliss  


Well, (0.00 / 0)
I think what people are hoping is to get 2/3 and then to appoint Olympia Snowe to be secretary of Transportation or Commerce.

but it's still insanity to keep Lieberman in the caucus, when there is no assurance that the caucus is going to stay whipped on any close vote.


[ Parent ]
We don't need to muck with the Senate rules (4.00 / 5)
We just need to enforce the ones that already exist. Don't just agree to a 60 vote threshold to pass legislation; make the Republicans actually filibuster the bills. If the Republicans want to filibuster stuff like children's health care and mortgage relief, I say, fine - hand them the fucking phone book and make them stand out on the Senate floor for days at a time. Let's see how long their opposition lasts then.

[ Parent ]
What I don't get (4.00 / 7)
They're trying to engineer a situation where Lieberman votes against us on foreign policy issues, but that's okay because he votes for us on social issues...

...and they're doing this by stripping away his power on social issues, and reinforcing his powers on foreign policy issues?

Is it even possible to come up with a worse plan than this one?

Is there any way to stop this or at least scare some Senators a little before tomorrow?


DLC will take you for a ride (0.00 / 0)
bait and switch intended all along

they will delete a reliable liberal vote from a targeted committee

Carper wins

Stoller rejoice


"Reliable liberal" (4.00 / 2)
You mean the 46th most liberal?  Or alternatively the 5th least liberal Democratic caucus member?

With liberals like this, who needs conservatives?


[ Parent ]
Call me the eternal optomist... (4.00 / 4)
...but the vote hasn't been counted just yet has it?

This is still a secret vote and all of the clips from the media give their only proof as "congressional sources," or "aides."

Wtf do these aides know?  Who are they?  Is this an attempt to try and make Senators believe its pointless to vote against Lieberman?  Probably not.  They're probably going to capitulate and keep him on.  But I won't believe it until I see it as having already happened tomorrow.


fair enough (4.00 / 2)
I hope this, and I, am wrong.  

[ Parent ]
If this actually happens (0.00 / 0)
it is a true sign of weakness on the part of our party and an indication that they are afraid of the republican minority; a very poor start for our new administration; truly pathetic.

The time is always right to do what is right.
Martin Luther King


LOL (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, this kind of throws a wrench into those left-governing narratives that people have been tossing around. Obama met with McCain, fought for Lieberman, and will probably nominate Clinton as Sec. of State.  Of course, one could argue that he is "keeping his enemies close," but it probably shows that he is much more of a centrist that most of you wanted to admit earlier.  Obama's bipartisanship is going to look very much like the middle that liberals deplored Bill Clinton for embracing. Does the "I told you so" dance

[ Parent ]
If Lieberman keeps his gavel (4.00 / 1)
and it's all because of some pathetic need to appear "bipartisan", then indeed the Dems are operating from the same weak-ass position as before: so concerned over how the Rethuglicans and media will spin it that they never force the rethugs to worry what the Dems say about them.

It's totally maddening. The Dems could have the rethuglicans back on their heels nearly all the damn time if they'd just fucking speak out and stop cowering in fear all the damn time.


At the super, very least (4.00 / 1)
at least make Akaka or Levin co-chair with Lieberman, so as to allow for the committee to function properly. If Lieberman decides to try and go off on his partisan witchhunts, he'll have far fewer Republican allies to vote with him to issue subpoenas, and the Democrats will be able to box him out for two years. Pete Demenici, John Warner, John Sununu, probably Ted Stevens, and maybe Norm Coleman are all gone from the Republican side of the aisle -- leaving only Collins, Voinovich, and Coburn (and maybe two replacements).

Hopefully we can get Tom Udall and/or Jeff Merkley on the committee to put some honest-to-God progressives on the committee, as well.  


tomorrow's news (0.00 / 0)
"In a secret vote today, the Senate Democratic Caucus voted overwhelmingly to strip Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT) of his coveted chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee."
"Today's vote is especially surprising because most commentators assumed that Mr. Lieberman would be allowed to remain in his position after a number of high profile Senators lobbied on his behalf, giving the appearance that the general momentum was favoring him."

If this is what I am reading tomorrow, I will seriously have to rethink my involvement in this stupid party.


mistake (0.00 / 0)
If this is what I am NOT reading tomorrow, I will seriously have to rethink my involvement in this stupid party.

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Message: Democrats don't care about black people either (0.00 / 0)
I've said it before.  I don't care about the election anymore.  If Obama wants to give Lieberman a pass on campaigning for McCain, that is his choice.  I think he is a fool, but that's not my problem.

What I care about is government that works.  And Lieberman has proven that he is a terrible, terrible, terrible chairman.  Not only did Lieberman not investigate the failures of the response to Katrina, but he was in large part to blame for them since he enthusiastically supported "Brownie" as head of FEMA.

This is a golden opportunity to oust Lieberman and, for whatever reasons, Obama and the Dems in the Senate seem determined to not fix the problems with this criticial committee.

The message this sends is that the Democrats in D.C. simply do not share the anger, if not outrage, and embarrassment that most Americans felt after Katrina.  Sure they might prefer  


My bet is that this news does not happen (0.00 / 0)
I think that this is an attempt to persuade senators that voting against lieberman is going out on a leaf and to try to convince more undecided ones who don't wanna vote against him if he is going to win.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....

Naked Politics? (0.00 / 0)
Nominating Clinton as Sec. of State and backing Lieberman to retain his leadership positions are examples of naked politics!  There are other talented individuals who could serve as Sec. of State, and Obama has not painted them as untrustworthy, stuck in the divisive politics of the past, etc. Also, it's ok to campaign for McSame and retain party leadership -- because it's easier to keep him than to boot him.  I think all of you guys who think Obama will governm from the left are ready for a wakeup call. Keeping Lieberman and picking Clinton, whom the left described as Attila the Hun, as Sec. of State does not strike me as wildly liberal.  

not giving up (yet) (0.00 / 0)
Here's my impassioned plea...

Byrd and Rockefeller: if this is a Lieberman trial balloon please shoot it down

They call me Clem, Clem Guttata. Come visit wild, wonderful West Virginia Blue


Joe Lieberman believes in Joe Lieberman (0.00 / 0)
What does it take for Senate Democrats to learn that Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat and doesn't belong in the Democratic caucus?

1. Joe Lieberman lost the 2006 Democratic primary.
2. Joe Lieberman won reelection in 2006 by running as an independent against the nominee of the Democratic Party.
3. In 2008 Joe Lieberman spoke at the Republican National Convention and endorsed the Republican presidential ticket.

Joe Lieberman's first loyalty is to Joe Lieberman and his loyalty to the Democratic Party is only a self-serving loyalty.  Odds are that Joe Lieberman will not be the "60th vote" in the Democratic caucus and even if a long shot comes through, Joe Lieberman would use his "60th vote" to extort even more undeserved favors from the Democratic Party.

Joe Lieberman does not belong in the Democratic caucus.


David A. Blythe


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