Why Gene Robinson Is Too Little, Too Late [To Make Up For Rick Warren] (Paul Rosenberg)
Nancy Goldstein explains at Salon's Broadsheet, very simply, so that even Obamabots can understand.  A sample:

...enough lipstick is being applied to this pig to empty MAC cosmetics' shelves. Yes, it's nice that Robinson will headline an ancillary inaugural event. But it took literally 27 days of outright uproar on queer and progressive blogs for Team Obama to issue the invitation. The turning point appears to have come only when Obama apologists like Melissa Etheridge failed to quell the storm (by relaying her story of the really nice hug Warren gave her), while Frank Rich gained the ear of straight America with an unflattering, spot-on New York Times column.

There's already plenty of evidence that Obama already knows better than to consider inclusiveness a "one from column A, one from column B" proposition. For all of Obama's talk in a press conference the day after the Warren announcement about how important it is "for America to come together even though we may have disagreements on certain social issues," John Aravosis of Americablog was quick to note that he doesn't call for people of color to sit down at the table with openly declared racists. The same goes for women and Jews, I would add. You won't see Obama inviting Ann Coulter to headline a key event, then "balancing" her with an invite to Patricia J. Williams. Ditto for Holocaust denier David Irving and Elie Weisel, or David Duke and Henry Louis Gates.

How you come off like a complete condescending asshole when you the word Obamabot like that?   How you pretty much destroy any credibility for your argument in convincing people like me, who really haven't taken a side on this one way or the other because we find other issues more important...  

Maybe in the future, try posting with the condescending remarks attached with...


"Nancy Goldstein explains at Salon's Broadsheet, very simply, so that anyone can understand.  A sample:"

But hey, a front pager should know how douchey this is without needing to be told.  

Seriously Paul, it's hard to take any criticism of Obama as valid when you come off sounding like a total jerk. Obamabot? Seriously, that's the kind of thing one would expect from Larry Johnson.  

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Let Rosenberg be Rosenberg

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."

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As Long As A Substantial Number of People
insist on treating criticism of Obama as a form of heresy, they should be stigmatized for it.

That sort of authoritarian behavior has no place in a genuine progressive movement, and I make no apologies whatsoever for calling people out on it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Just admit it: you want a liberal nutjob (a progressive Bush) and you've got your panties in a bunch because Obama isn't it.

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What I want is someone who's more interested in reflecting the hopes, aspirations and values of those who worked their butts off for him, and voted for him on election day, rather than trying to win the approval of those who voted and worked hard against him.

(This is pretty much how Presidential politics has always worked in this country, with some notable wobbliness from Bill Clinton, for all the good that did him.)

The fact that some folks find this crazy is just indicative of how "normal" actual craziness has become.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Do you think comparing Rick Warren to a Holocaust denier or a Klansmen is well-grounded?
Rick Warren is a fairly standard-issue Bible-literalist evangelical.  They're probably something like 10 percent of the US population.  Among that group, he's actually notable for being more interested in issues that we progressives also care about than is common.

Accepting that he's a pretty ordinary Biblical-literalist (which you should, because he is), is there any real basis for comparing him to either a Holocaust denier or a Klansmen?

I don't think there is.  I think the comparison is not only invalid but also misleading.  I'm interested to hear your defense of it though, if you're also interested in making one.

Goldstein's Point Is About Balancing
The logical structure of her argument is:

For *=1 to 4 Do
(1) "A balances B" => "A* balances B*"
(2) Does Obama really believe that "A* balances B*"?
End Do
(3) Then why pretend that "A balances B"?

Such an argument does not entail that A ~= A*. (Or that B ~= B*, for that matter.)

Indeed, the argument gains its power precisely from the fact that different people will be particularly sensitive to how different "A* balances B*" claims fail.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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an important point -- it's not just balancing A with B --
http://www.religiondispatches.... -- Inauguration: An Evangelical And A Gay Bishop-What's Missing?

As the Obama team rounds up unlikely bedfellows for the inaugural ceremonies it seems to have forgotten something: we are not all Christian. ...

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