All State Polls Taken October 10th through November 7th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Biden
Kucinich
Dodd
Net Avail Cash
Sep 30
Q3
$32.2M
$30.5M
$23.4M*
$5.1M
$0.8M
$0.3M
$2.4M
Iowa
Jan 03
5
30.0%
23.6%
19.6%
7.8%
5.0%
0.7%
1.4%
New Hampshire
Jan 08 (?)
4
38.8%
22.2%
13.0%
6.8%
2.8%
4.0%
2.3%
National
Feb 05
NA
46.7%
23.1%
12.0%
2.9%
2.1%
1.8%
0.5%
* = Includes public funds. Significant spending limits apply to Edwards’s remaining cash
In terms of trends, since the last update on October 30th, the national race has tightened by 3.1%, New Hampshire has tightened by 2.6%, and Iowa has tightened by 0.8%. Now, poll averages that go back to October 10th are going to include a significant amount of pre-debate information, so as of yet we do not have a thorough measure of the post-debate shift in the campaign. Personally, I would caution against expecting anything too large. Throughout this campaign, I have seen a small amount of isolated polls repeatedly indicate that the campaign is tightening, only then to see several new polls show the exact opposite. This has happened so many times that I have grown pretty insensitive to the occasional poll supposedly showing bad news for Clinton. I mean, she is ten points ahead of Edwards in Iowa now, a swing of 13.8% since only July 29th, while Obama has only gained 0.6% on Clinton in Iowa in time. Don’t tell me things are getting tighter unless several new polls all confirm that trend. I’m tired of false signs of a closer campaign. It is possible, but I remain skeptical.
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Hukabee
Thompson
McCain
Paul
Net Avail Cash
Sep 30
Q3
$9.2M
$11.4M
$0.6M
$6.4M
-$0.1M
$5.4M
Iowa
Jan 03
5
29.2%
13.2%
15.4%
11.6%
7.8%
2.8%
New Hampshire
Jan 08 (?)
3
31.3%
20.7%
7.7%
6.3%
16.0%
4.0%
South Carolina
Jan 19
2
23.0%
20.0%
5.0%
14.0%
11.0%
3.0%
National
Feb 05
NA
12.3%
31.3%
7.8%
16.2%
15.5%
2.7%
This was a good nine days for Romney. While his lead in Iowa and South Carolina is stagnant, and Giuliani is even further ahead nationally than he was before, Romney has extended his New Hampshire lead by 2.6%. But really, Romney doesn’t lead his early state leads to increase in order to have a good spell for his campaign. Instead, he needs things like Huckabee passing everyone else in Iowa, and also passing Fred Thompson in New Hampshire. Also, Thompson is struggling so badly right now (fourth in Iowa, fifth in New Hampshire, third in South Carolina, almost dropping behind McCain nationally) that is it tempting to drop him behind McCain in the overall rankings. And what is bad for Fred Thompson is very good for Mitt Romney. A weakening top tier makes Romney’s already strong early state position even stronger.
Early state polls can be found here and here. Net available cash means cash on hand for the primaries minus debts owed by the campaigns (info here and here). The primary calendar is still not fixed for Democrats in South Carolina, or for both parties in New Hampshire. Nomination at a glance archives can be found here.
Nothing particularly noticeable to report, except perhaps a pro-Edwards shift in South Carolina at the expense of Obama. While one poll isn’t enough to draw any conclusions, I’m going to guess that the McClurkin incident in South Carolina, which was at its peak when this took place, might be a factor there. But it will require more polls to confirm, and ARG always tends to be a little wacky.
Republicans
Candidate
IA, Oct
IA, Sep
NH, Oct
NH, Sep
SC, Oct
SC, Sep
Romney
27%
22%
30%
24%
29%
26%
Giuliani
16%
21%
23%
20%
23%
23%
McCain
14%
11%
17%
20%
13%
15%
Huckabee
19%
4%
7%
3%
5%
1%
Thompson
8%
16%
5%
8%
10%
10%
Paul
1%
2%
1%
3%
4%
2%
Other
2%
11%
2%
10%
3%
10%
Unsure
13%
13%
15%
12%
13%
13%
Notice the collapse of “other” in the Republican side, along with the rise of Huckabee.
I think Huckabee’s upward swing seems to have come mainly from Gingrich and Brownback supporters. Huckabee is certainly a force to be reckoned with now.
In the overall nomination at a glance tables, I had considered adding poll average for Michigan, Nevada, Florida and Democrats in South Carolina. However, with so few polls from those states, not to mention a primary calendar that remains in flux, in the end I decided against it. Results in those states will be heavily scrambled by Iowa and New Hampshire anyway.
All State Polls Taken October 1st through October 29th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Biden
Kucinich
Dodd
Net Avail Cash
Sep 30
Q3
$32.2M
$30.5M
$23.4M*
$5.1M
$0.8M
$0.3M
$2.4M
Iowa
Jan 03
5
30.2%
23.0%
20.0%
7.6%
5.0%
1.2%
1.4%
New Hampshire
Jan 08 (?)
4
41.0%
21.8%
12.5%
6.5%
2.8%
4.0%
2.0%
National
Feb 05
NA
46.9%
20.2%
12.0%
2.9%
2.0%
1.2%
0.5%
* = Includes public funds. Significant spending limits apply to Edwards’s remaining cash
Let me be clear about a couple of things, since for some reason simply posting poll numbers means that you are in the back pocket of one campaign or the other these days. First, I think that a lack of competitiveness in the Democratic primary is a bad thing. It draws attention away from our candidates, and prevents a still divided party from having the serious discussion it needs. Instead, our divisions will fester, and progressives will once again probably end up on the short end of any deal in the coalition. Second, I am not anti-Clinton, though she is not my first choice. Let me rephrase: I don’t see why the reasons to be anti-Clinton don’t also apply to other candidates, and in some cases might in fact apply more to other candidates than they apply to her. Third, I am not happy that the potential Obama winning coalition doesn’t seem possible anymore, since that coalition is the one progressives need to create a progressive governing majority. However, it is not the responsibility of the coalition members to put together that coalition, especially in a primary. Maybe in a general election, but not in a primary. That responsibility rests with the candidate and campaign itself, not with the potential coalition members. If Obama does end up failing in this election, it will be his fault and the fault of the campaign, not the fault of the potential coalition members for failing to fall in line. I refuse to just ever “fall in line” during a primary. Doing something like that is a good way to create a dysfunctional movement. If we did that, would there ever be a time when we were allowed to speak our minds?
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Hukabee
Thompson
McCain
Paul
Net Avail Cash
Sep 30
Q3
$9.2M
$11.4M
$0.6M
$6.4M
-$0.1M
$5.4M
Iowa
Jan 03
6
28.0%
13.7%
14.5%
13.2%
8.0%
2.8%
New Hampshire
Jan 08 (?)
5
29.0%
21.0%
7.8%
6.8%
16.4%
3.6%
South Carolina
Jan 19
2
22.5%
19.5%
8.0%
15.5%
14.5%
3.5%
National
Feb 05
NA
11.7%
29.4%
6.4%
15.9%
12.3%
1.9%
With a newfound advantage in South Carolina, Romney is clearly in first place now, as he is currently set to run the table in the early states. Giuliani is second, because he is in at least second everywhere except Iowa, where he is a close third. After that, however, it gets very tricky to figure out. I have moved Huckabee all the way to third, mainly because the numbers and the trendlines indicate he is clearly be in second place in Iowa now, but also because he is still ahead of Thompson in New Hampshire. Overall, that leads me to believe that Huckabee will finish ahead of Thompson everywhere, if the voting started tomorrow. I have also kept Thompson ahead of McCain, because Thompson is ahead of McCain everywhere except for New Hampshire.
Unless Huckabee, or someone else, can stop Romney in Iowa, it looks very good for Romney. If Huckabee, or someone else, stops Romney in Iowa, it could be a free for all with Giuliani favored due to his February 5th advantage. Romney’s position reminds me of Dean’s: he looks good, but one slip up in the early states and it could be all over. He simply lacks the national strength to compete on February 5th unless he achieves momentum in the early states.
Early state polls can be found here and here. Net available cash means cash on hand for the primaries minus debts owed by the campaigns (info here and here). The primary calendar is still not fixed for Democrats in South Carolina, or for both parties in New Hampshire. Nomination at a glance archives can be found here.
There will be a new set of ARG early state polls released as early as tomorrow, and I will provide a more complete update of the charts, including numbers in South Carolina, Nevada, Michigan and Florida, when those ARG numbers are released. Before then, with Iowa finally setting a date, accurate cash on hand figures available, and a range of new polls, I wanted to get a new chart out there at least before tomorrow’s debate. I have also now included all thirteen “serious” candidates in the charts, and will do so for the remainder of the primaries. And no, Duncan Hunter, Mike Gravel, and Tom Tancredo don’t count (although I wish Tancredo did, considering how his hateful messages help send droves of new voters into the Democratic camp. UPDATE: Tancredo has now announced his retirement from the House to focus on his Presidential campaign. I'll add him in the mid-week update).
All State Polls Taken October 1st through October 29th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Biden
Kucinich
Dodd
Net Avail Cash
Sep 30
Q3
$32.2M
$30.5M
$23.4M*
$5.1M
$0.8M
$0.3M
$2.4M
Iowa
Jan 03
4
29.8%
23.3%
21.3%
7.8%
5.0%
1.3%
1.3%
New Hampshire
Jan 08 (?)
3
41.3%
21.7%
13.3%
7.0%
2.3%
4.3%
2.0%
National
Feb 05
NA
46.9%
20.2%
12.0%
2.9%
2.0%
1.2%
0.5%
* = Includes public funds. Significant spending limits apply to Edwards’s remaining cash
Clinton’s lead continues to grow, although outside of national polls it is certainly not so massive as the national narrative might indicate. This reifies my belief that, eventually, the “Clinton is inevitable” narrative will come back to hurt her campaign. The campaign knows the potential danger of this narrative, too, and they are fighting against it. Once you are expected to be crushing everyone else, there is very little that you can do to beat expectations. Still, for anyone to have any chance of winning the nomination except for her, those candidates must defeat her in Iowa. Anyone Clinton finishes ahead of in Iowa is finished.
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Thompson
McCain
Hukabee
Paul
Net Avail Cash
Sep 30
Q3
$9.2M
$11.4M
$6.4M
-$0.1M
$0.6M
$5.4M
Iowa
Jan 03
5
28.2%
13.2%
14.2%
6.8%
13.6%
3.2%
New Hampshire
Jan 08 (?)
4
28.8%
20.5%
7.3%
16.3%
8.0%
4.3%
South Carolina
Jan 19
1
16.0%
16.0%
21.0%
16.0%
11.0%
3.0%
National
Feb 05
NA
11.5%
29.1%
15.6%
12.4%
6.1%
1.8%
What a free-for-all. Giuliani is rising nationally, and staying competitive in both New Hampshire and South Carolina, but has fallen to fourth in Iowa. Thompson is falling nationally and has dropped to fifth in New Hampshire (with Ron Paul breathing down his neck), but has moved into second in Iowa and still leads in South Carolina. McCain’s national and Iowa collapse continue full speed ahead, but he is making a comeback in New Hampshire and is still in the game in South Carolina. Huckabee continues to rise across the board, despite a near total lack of funds. And hey, Ron Paul is starting to actually register in these early state polls. In fact, he is even threatening to start campaigning in New Hampshire.
Romney stays ahead of the pack because of his Iowa and New Hampshire strength. However, should he falter either of those two early states, get ready for a real mess. I wish the Demorcatic horserace was half this exciting.
Early state polls can be found here and here. Net available cash means cash on hand for the primaries minus debts owed by the campaigns (info here and here). The primary calendar is still not fixed for Democrats in South Carolina, or for both parties in New Hampshire. Nomination at a glance archives can be found here.
Here are the new numbers, including the best latest info on available primary cash. Also, with the primary calendar coming into focus, I have brought back the full table.
All State Polls Taken September 16th through October 9th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$32.5M
$30.5M
$18.0M
$5.6M
Iowa
Jan 03
4
26.8%
23.8%
21.5%
10.3%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
5
41.0%
20.6%
12.0%
8.2%
Nevada
Jan 12
2
45.0%
16.0%
11.5%
6.5%
Michigan
Jan 15
1
42.0%
26.0%
10.0%
7.0%
South Carolina
Jan 19
2
42.0%
30.0%
8.5%
3.5%
Florida
Jan 29
4
47.3%
20.0%
10.5%
3.0%
National
Feb 05
NA
42.5%
18.4%
10.9%
3.4%
Clinton seems to be pulling away everywhere except Iowa. However, I am willing to bet that as the “inevitable” narrative runs its course, this will result in fiercer media coverage of Clinton, and at least a somewhat tightening of the campaign as it approaches January 3rd. the “inevitable” narrative is actually not very good for her campaign, since it heavily raises expectations making any stumbles, especially in Iowa, potentially more damaging than they were in the past. Still, for anyone to have any chance of winning the nomination except for her, those candidates must defeat her in Iowa. Anyone Clinton finishes ahead of in Iowa is finished.
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Thompson
McCain
Hukabee
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$9.0M
$16.0M
$6.5M
$-0.1M
$0.6M
Iowa
Jan 03
5
25.8%
15.6%
15.2%
8.6%
9.8%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
6
25.5%
21.3%
10.8%
16.7%
5.2%
Nevada
Jan 12
2
23.5%
29.5%
16.0%
10.0%
2.0%
Michigan
Jan 15
2
18.0%
21.5%
14.5%
12.5%
5.5%
South Carolina
Jan 19
3
19.0%
19.7%
18.3%
14.0%
5.0%
Florida
Jan 29
5
13.2%
28.8%
21.6%
9.0%
4.8%
National
Feb 05
NA
9.7%
27.5%
17.1%
13.9%
6.2%
I have kept Romney in front, for now, even though Giuliani leads in more states, in national polls, and in available cash. When it comes to the early states, I don’t think Giuliani’s narrow leads against Romney in Michigan, South Carolina and Nevada will hold should Romney win both Iowa and New Hampshire. When it comes to cash, Romney has plenty more of his personal fortune to burn, so he won’t be outspent. When it comes to national polls, if Romney does indeed run the table in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, South Carolina and Nevada, I have little doubt he will move into first both in Florida and nationally. That is simply too much of a momentum wave for Giuliani’s soft, small leads to hold off.
However, it should be noted that Romney’s continuing narrow advantage might be built on a house of cards. So far, he accounts for about 90% of all Republican paid media in this cycle, a number that won’t last much longer. When other candidates start to go on the air, it seems inevitable that his advantage in Iowa and New Hampshire will either shrink, or disappear entirely. If Romney loses either Iowa or New Hampshire, his position might fold almost immediately, and he could drop to third or even fourth place in a state like South Carolina. At that point, the campaign would be Thompson versus Giuliani, with Giuliani favored. So, while Romney remains narrowly in front, Giuliani is right on his heels.
Early state polls can be found here and here. Net available cash means cash on hand for the primaries minus debts owed by the campaigns. The primary calendar is not fixed in stone, but rather is the current best guess. Only candidates with 4.5% or more in most polling averages are included in the chart. Nomination at a glance archives can be found here.
The trend in this poll covers the entire period of Clinton’s slow rise, both in Iowa and nationwide. It was with the release of this poll five months ago that Clinton reached her lowest point in Iowa, dropping into third (22.5%) in the polling averages behind Edwards (27.5%) and Obama (22.8%). Overall, the reason for the larger pro-Clinton swing in this poll is probably simply because of when the previous poll was taken. While the most recent ARG poll showed her lead increasing by only one point, and the latest Strategic Vision poll showed her moving from two points down to two points ahead, this fourteen point swing covers nearly five months, while the other two polls covered only one (see here for more information).
This consistent, slow Clinton rise reminds me of Dean’s consistent, slow rise during much of 2003. In the absence of major campaign events, both candidates dominate media coverage of the race. In a sense, Howard Dean was the “main character” in the 2003-4 primary campaign, even though he didn’t win. This time around, Hillary Clinton is the “main character” in the 2007-8 primary campaign, even though she hasn’t won yet. The key similarity is that both Dean and Clinton received more news coverage than other Democrats throughout most of their respective campaigns, which led to a consistent, slow, across the board rise in their poll numbers during time periods when there was no major campaign news story. Pew has consistent data showing Clinton dominating coverage (here and here, both PDF), and back in 2003 when I ran the ill-fated “empirical cattle call,” my data consistently showed Dean dominating news coverage during the second half of 2003. Until Clinton stops dominating news coverage, that coverage turns sharply negative, or a major campaign event happens that changes the direction of news coverage altogether, I imagine that this trend will continue.
And now, onto the numbers:
All State Polls Taken September 6th through September 29th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$29.6M
$33.6M
$11.8M
$6.9M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
5
27.0%
22.8%
21.8%
10.2%
New Hampshire
Jan 08?
6
39.3%
19.5%
12.7%
8.7%
National
Feb 05
NA
38.5%
21.7%
13.5%
3.0%
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Thompson
McCain
Hukabee
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$12.1M
$14.7M
$2.8M
$0.1M
$0.4M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
6
26.2%
15.7%
15.3%
8.3%
9.5%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
7
27.1%
21.9%
10.6%
17.2%
4.4%
South Carolina
Jan 19
3
16.5%
20.5%
20.3%
14.3%
5.3%
National
Feb 05
NA
8.6%
27.1%
18.7%
14.5%
4.2%
The Republican campaign remains extremely tight. McCain isn’t a player in Iowa, while Thompson isn’t a player in New Hampshire. Huckabee is starting to slip, and his time seems to be either ending or already over. Giuliani and Romney remain the top contenders, as they are 1-2 in virtually everything. Go Romney.
Even though I think they are sampling too broad a population in Iowa to provide an accurate picture of the caucus, it is still probably too early to be polling likely voters in Iowa, so that isn't a real crime yet. Focusing only on Iowa, New Hampshire and national polls until the calendar is finally sorted out, here are the current, entirely post-Labor Day polling averages:
All State Polls Taken September 6th through September 29th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$29.6M
$33.6M
$11.8M
$6.9M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
4
26.5%
23.0%
21.5%
11.5%
New Hampshire
Jan 08?
5
39.6%
18.8%
12.8%
8.8%
National
Feb 05
NA
39.2%
21.8%
13.6%
3.0%
After months of trying to force a two-person race, the established media is closer than ever to actually achieving one. While Edwards is still clearly in the game in Iowa, he has now fallen to third behind Obama. Given that Obama is also the leading second choice among Iowans according to both Newsweek and LA Times / Bloomberg, right now Iowa looks like a virtual tie between Obama and Clinton, with Edwards slightly behind. This change of events is largely based on the difference in paid media in the state, as Clinton, Obama, Richardson, Biden and Dodd have combined for nearly $7M, and Edwards has only chipped in $23,000. Accepting public funds won't help that situation, either. Edwards is going to have to win Iowa on the ground.
Outside of Iowa, Clinton's lead is pretty large. Whether or not it will hold if she loses Iowa is the obvious question facing the campaign.
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Thompson
McCain
Hukabee
Net Avail Cash
June 30
Q2
$12.1M
$14.7M
$2.8M
$0.1M
$0.4M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
4
26.4%
16.8%
15.3%
8.3%
8.0%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
4
26.4%
22.4%
11.8%
17.2%
3.6%
South Carolina
Jan 19
2
17.5%
23.0%
18.0%
15.0%
3.5%
National
Feb 05
NA
8.3%
27.2%
21.2%
14.0%
4.0%
ARG polls tend to not make any sense--since when is Romney at 26% in South Carolina, but also watching his lead fade in New Hampshire and Iowa? Either way, Romney's continued national struggles, along with his decreasing lead in both Iowa and New Hampshire, have me worried. He is almost certainly the weakest general election candidate for Republicans, and so I had been watching him take command over the Republican nomination with glee. However, at this point, Giuliani has almost caught up to him in the overall campaign for the nomination. McCain and Thompson also seem to be moving into somewhat better positions than they had been in for the past couple months. Huckabee, by contrast, is close to achieving flash in the pan status.
Methodological notes can be found in the extended entry.
Obama leads just within the margin of error among likely Democratic caucus-goers, although the margin of error is pretty huge (+/-7):
Obama 28, Clinton 24, Edwards 22, Richardson 10
All other candidates are in the single digits. So it's still a close race, and overall it's probably best to think of this as a three-way tie. Still, it's hard not to see this as bad news for Edwards, if only because his strategy depends so heavily on winning in Iowa. I don't think he could survive a third place finish there. Relative to the Pollster averages, this poll has Edwards performing the same as he normally he does (22%), Clinton and Richardson are performing similarly (26% to 24% and 10% to 13%), but Obama is performing significantly better (28% versus 20%). Obviously, it's also good news for Obama.
Voters who indicated they would either definitely or probably attend the caucus (42% of those surveyed) were included as likely caucus goers - 64% of those identified as likely caucus goers attended a previous caucus.
This poll also provides some indirect support for Chris's inflated Clinton poll theory - Clinton leads among registered Democratic voters (MOE +/- 5):
RDV: Clinton 31, Obama 25, Edwards 21, Richardson 6
Obama and Richardson both do better among likely caucus goers than registered Democrats, while Clinton does worse and Edwards does basically the same. Still, Clinton has the highest fraction of supporters who say they are strongly supporting her - 55%, compared to 41% for Obama and 37% for Edwards. Another interesting result from this poll - 80% of those surveyed thought it would be a plus to have Bill Clinton "back in the White House."
I have to say I'm not excited to see Huckabee break into the double digits, but I am pleased to see Romney continuing to do so well. McCain is in the high single digits - 9 among likely caucus goers and 7 among registered voters.
Last, this seems as good a time as any to mention the Pollster disclosure project. Pollster is one of my absolute favorite blogs - I can't tell you how much I rely on them for understanding trends and using polling data to predict election results. They are now making a formal attempt to encourage ALL pollsters to release more information about likely voter screens, sampling frames, and sample compositions. Having this information available would make a huge difference in my ability to tell you what might really be happening when polls produce contradictory results or when I want to write one of the longer in-depth posts about the race that I love so much.
The candidates for President have made more trips to Iowa and New Hampshire, a combined 1,811, than every other state and territory combined. In fact, there have been more trips to Iowa than to every state other state, except New Hampshire and South Carolina, combined. Further, most of the trips outside Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina are fundraisers, not public campaign events. For example, looking at upcoming events in California, one can see that over 60% of all scheduled appearances in the state are fundraisers, and virtually every non-fundraiser campaign appearance in the state is accompanied with a fundraiser.
The point I want to again try to hammer home here is that the campaign is being waged, in significantly decreasing order, in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina (and the latter mainly on the Republican side). This simply is not a national campaign right now, not even close. As such, national polls are not a useful reflection of the campaign. What matter is where the polls stand, once again in significantly decreasing order or importance, in Iowa, New Hampshire South Carolina and nationally. Michigan, Florida and Nevada are wildcards that will probably have an impact on the campaign that is difficult to predict.
I apologize for saying something that many people who read this will find incredibly obvious, but the point is to use the early states to take the national lead entering Super Tuesday on February 5th. How much of an impact the early states will have on the national polls varies from campaign to campaign, but we can deduce the following:
If Clinton wins either Iowa or New Hampshire, she will be the Democratic nominee
If Obama wins both Iowa and New Hampshire, he will be the Democratic nominee
If Edwards wins both Iowa and New Hampshire, he will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee
If number three does not happen, and if Clinton defeats Obama in Iowa, regardless of what else happens she will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee
If Richardson wins Iowa, and condition four is not met, then prepare for a real scramble that favors Clinton
If none of the above conditions are met, and Edwards and Obama somehow split Iowa and New Hampshire, then prepare for an entirely unpredictable scramble that clearly favors no one.
Oh, and this is amusing. According to Pew, Republicans nationally think that the "energetic" most clearly applies to Rudy Giuliani. However, here is where Giuliani ranks in terms of campaign energy, as measured by the number of trips each candidate has taken to early states:
Iowa: 12th, including 6th among Republicans.
New Hampshire: 10th, including 4th among Republicans
South Carolina: 9th (tie), including 5th among Republicans<
Yeah, that is real energetic. Rudy Giuliani is running a lazy campaign, which is to be expected, As a result, the odds are against him winning the Republican nomination, which is fine by me.
This post details demographic differences in support among both Democratic and Republican candidates. I used data from the most recent Cook release of omnibus demographic polling (pdf). It includes data from 5 Cook polls, one in May, two in June, one in August, and one last week (September). At times, I also make reference to the most recent September poll (pdf). I included candidates who have enough support to create reasonably large subgroups of supporters. If candidates are in the low single digits nationally, they will not have enough supporters in demographic subgroups to get a solid estimate of their support, even when using data from multiple polls. In the Democratic race, I included Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. In the Republican race I included Giuliani, McCain, Thompson, and Romney.
In the Democratic race, the biggest demographic splits are by level of education, by region, and among independent voters who plan to vote in the Democratic primary. The dynamics of the race differ among voters with different levels of education and in different regions of the country. Clinton and Obama are basically tied among college educated voters, among Midwestern voters, and among independents. Clinton maintains a convincing lead in every other demographic subcategory. Additionally, Edwards and Obama receive similar levels of support among white voters and among voters over 65, although both are well behind Clinton in these demographic categories.
In the Republican primary, ideology and partisan affiliation are major dividing lines that alter the dynamics of the race. Giuliani and Thompson are basically tied among Republican primary voters who describe themselves as strong Republicans, as well as among conservative leaning Republicans. McCain and Giuliani are close among independents who vote in the Republican primary. Additionally, the Thompson gender gap (widely reported) is worth keeping an eye on. In this omnibus survey, it is slightly larger than the Clinton gender gap, and in a recent ARG poll it was up to 30 points. It is bouncing around a lot, but I think Thompson will probably be in trouble in the general election if he can't even convince Republican women to vote for him.
All State Polls Taken August 17th through September 18th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Edwards
Obama
Richardson
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$29.6M
$11.8M
$33.6M
$6.9M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
5
26.2%
23.6%
21.0%
11.6%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
4
37.8%
14.0%
17.3%
9.3%
National
Feb 05
NA
39.5%
12.1%
21.5%
2.9%
I have moved Edwards into second place, even though the difference between Edwards and Obama is wafer thin right now in both Iowa and New Hampshire. Obama has far more money and an advantage over Edwards in national polls, but that could easily change once Iowa and New Hampshire are over.
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Thompson
McCain
Hukabee
Net Avail Cash
June 30
Q2
$12.1M
$14.7M
$2.8M
$0.1M
$0.4M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
5
30.8%
14.4%
13.4%
6.6%
9.8%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
4
27.5%
22.8%
11.5%
12.5%
5.3%
South Carolina
Jan 19
4
9.8%
22.0%
22.3%
14.0%
6.8%
National
Feb 05
NA
9.9%
27.2%
20.1%
12.1%
3.4%
(Note: I have included South Carolina on the Republican side because it is currently scheduled to take place ten days earlier than the Democratic version, which I do not currently see as meaningfully separate from national polling given its late date.
Romney's lead in New Hapshire is slipping, and Rudy Giuliani appears to be the main beneficiary. Still, unless someone starts to challenge Romney in Iowa, a smaller lead in New Hamshpire does not matter all that much for him. Of course, speculation of that sort is difficult until we actually know the primary calendar.
Methodological notes can be found in the extended entry.
No one else is above 5%, and it is strange how all four candidates end up on round numbers. The odds of that are pretty low, about 1-1024. Also, with a 19.0% lead, that means Clinton has reached the firewall point in New Hampshire, where even in the event that she finishes third in Iowa, she would still (narrowly) be projected to win in New Hampshire. That makes this poll a very big moment for the Clinton campaign, as it is actually the first time since February where she is clearly in the driver's seat for the nomination. For a very long time, she was still vulnerable to a second or third place finish in Iowa, while simultaneously trailing in the Iowa polling average.
In the Senate race, Jean Shaheen leads John Sununu in two new polls, but not by the double digit margins that previous polls had shown:
Rasmussen. 9/16. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (No trend lines)
It should be noted that the incumbent rule does not, and has never, applied in campaigns where the challenger previously held equivalent elected office (Shaheen was once Governor of New Hampshire). This was even noted in the original paper proposing the incumbent rule theory. So, this does in fact look like a reasonably close race, given that two polls confirm the closer campaign at the same time.
In response to the occasional, though still persistent, calls for the blogosphere to line up behind either Barack Obama or John Edwards in an attempt to defeat Hillary Clinton for the nomination, last week Matt wrote something with which I absolutely agree (emphasis in original):
I know lots of people want the grand netroots to make our grand endorsement of the one true Presidential candidate and thereby rock the foundations of the universe, but, um, speaking only for every person who has ever blogged, ever, anywhere, I'll point out that by and large I don't want to endorse someone who wants to keep troops in Iraq.
The issue of residual forces in Iraq looms extremely large for many of the bloggers I know, which I think is entirely understandable. Especially in a Democratic primary. why on earth would I line up behind a candidate as the "progressive" choice if he or she wants to keep American troops in Iraq? There is no way to end the Iraq war as long as there are American troops on Iraqi soil. No matter whether our troops in Iraq are combat or non-combat, they will be targets, and the war will continue. It really is as simple as that. Ending the Iraq war is, and has been for a number of years, my top "issue" in politics. So why on earth would I, in a primary election, when the whole point is to fight for what you believe instead of choosing the lesser of two evils, line up behind a candidate espousing a policy that is contrary to my most important issue? I mean, I became a full-time political activist largely because of the Iraq war, and I am not going to choose a path in a primary election that runs counter to my beliefs on this matter. I think a lot of other bloggers feel exactly the same way.
Here is the relevant section, from a question that it appears only bloggers are able to ask:
MARSHALL: Now, you've talked about potentially a small residual force. Can you give people a sense of what that means?
EDWARDS: I would get all of our combat troops out. Assuming that we are going to maintain our embassy in Baghdad, we'll have to have some force to protect our embassy. We always have to have that. And if, if, there are American humanitarian workers there, it might be necessary, although I wouldn't commit to this at this point, it might be necessary to provide some protection for them. But that's it.
MARSHALL: But really just a matter of protecting the embassy, possibly protecting other US civilian personnel--
EDWARDS: who are doing humanitarian work.
Is this different from Obama and Clinton? As I show once again in the extended entry, absolutely.
Barack Obama is set to make a major foreign policy speech today. While the transcript is currently unavailable, Obama's campaign website is currently linking to this AP Wire story in the Washington Post to, "learn more" about "turning the page in Iraq." From the article:
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. combat brigades from Iraq, with the pullout being completed by the end of next year.(…)
"The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year _ now," the Illinois senator says.
Obama's ardent opposition to the war has been a central theme of his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, and he has used it to distinguish himself from leading rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. She voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq; Obama was not yet a senator.
Obama was trying to further sharpen that distinction Wednesday, spelling out his views on what the U.S. should do next.
To be blunt, I don't really know how pulling out all combat troops would "sharpen that distinction." At all. As far as I can tell, every single Democrat running for President is talking about removing all combat troops. That is, no one is suggesting that we leave troops in Iraq to continue to police Iraqi streets and actively try to prevent sectarian violence. The focus is typically on counter-terrorism, Iraqi force training, and infrastructure / embassy protection. And it doesn't seem as though Obama has closed the door on that at all:
Although he stopped short of calling for an immediate pullout of all troops, Obama said there should be a clear and certain timetable.(…)
By arguing that only combat brigades should be withdrawn _ there are 20 in Iraq, including five President Bush sent January _ Obama appeared to suggest that other U.S. troops could remain.
Good. I am somewhat relieved that the residual forces issue is starting to get some coverage, even if it comes in paragraphs 18 and 20 of the article. And let me remind everyone that Obama's campaign website is currently providing a huge link to this article in the top center of its welcome page. As such, I can hardly think of a clearer admission that he is proposing leaving non-combat troops in Iraq, to perform some or all of the missions . Actually, I can think of one, from his plan to end the Iraq war:
The plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq as basic force protection, to engage in counter-terrorism and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces.
Obama is really blowing it here. The key differentiation on what to do in Iraq is not how quickly you remove all combat troops, but how many non-combat, residual forces you leave behind. On this front, he still seems to be absolutely identical to Hillary Clinton. A few months ago, she also introduced legislation proposing a removal of all combat troops, with a residual force contingent that does the following:
(1) That a phased redeployment of United States military forces from Iraq has begun, in a manner consistent with any limitations on aid for Iraq for security purposes in effect under section 4, including the transition of United States forces in Iraq to the limited presence and mission of-
(A) training Iraqi security forces;
(B) providing logistic support of Iraqi security forces;
(C) protecting United States personnel and infrastructure; and
(D) participating in targeted counter-terrorism activities.
So, if there is a difference here, it is that Clinton is proposing providing "logistic support" to Iraqi security forces, while Obama is not. That is a very slight differentiation that I do not think is going to move many votes.
Considering that he opposed the war from the start, Obama is a position to really seize the mantle of progressive foreign policy in this campaign. However, he will be unable to do that as long as he continues to favor a significant residual force of at least 40,000 troops that is roughly the equivalent of Clinton's plans. I feel confident that if Obama had chosen this "major foreign policy speech" as an opportunity to truly differentiate himself from Clinton on residual forces, then he would have been in an excellent position to change the campaign. Barack Obama can generate tremendous press, and he would have had an ability like other candidate to make the residual forces issue more prominent in this campaign. He would have been able to position himself as "right on Iraq before the war, and right on Iraq now," with a double differentiation from Clinton. That strikes me as a potentially nomination-securing position for any major candidate to hold in this campaign. However, it seems that he has squandered that opportunity, and has not changed his stance on residual forces. I wonder if, after giving this foreign policy speech, it has grown too late for him to change that position before the start of the primaries now.
The presidential campaign has been really quiet lately, at least when it comes to news I find interesting. However, I expect that will change for good in about three weeks when we have the final pre-primary fundraising numbers, the finalized primary calendar, and when the Iraq debate in Congress quiets down. In the meantime, the Los Angles Times provides us with some amusement with new polls from Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina:
I do just want to add that the "likely" voter screen for the LA Times and Bloomberg is a bit loose. Doing some back of the napkin math, the likely voter model used here would include more than 870,000 Democratic caucus participants -- which is a bit more than the 122,000 or so that participated in the last Democratic caucus. While there may be more excitement this time around than there was in 2004, there isn't that much more excitement. So what does that mean? A lot of the folks the Times and Bloomberg are deeming "likely" voters or caucus goers are in fact unlikely to participate come January. Most in fact. As such, while these numbers might be good gauges of the general sentiments of these states, I'm not certain how good of gauges they are of the sentiments of those who are actually going to play a large role in selecting the next Democratic nominee.
There are Republican numbers too, and even though they are the first officially post-Thompson polls of early states, I am not going to bother cluttering up the front page by dedicating an entire table to them. Needless to say, Thompson is still getting crushed in Iowa and New Hampshire, but still runs strong in South Carolina.
Given all of these new polls, here is an update to the nomination at a glance tables. Considering the still fluid primary calendar, and all of the noise around Michigan and Florida going early, but everyone promising not to campaign there, I have tried to distill the numbers to the truly essential figures that will determine the nomination.
All State Polls Taken August 8th through September 9th Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Net Avail Cash
Jun 30
Q2
$29.6M
$33.6M
$11.8M
$6.9M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
5
26.2%
21.0%
23.6%
11.6%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
3
35.7%
18.3%
14.7%
8.0%
National
Feb 05
NA
39.2%
21.5%
10.7%
2.4%
Iowa is still close enough that Clinton, Edwards and Obama could finish in any order in the top three, even if the election were held tomorrow. Consider, for example, that in the most recent poll of Iowa, Obama narrowly led among second-place choices with 25% (Edwards had 20%, and Clinton 19%). However, Clinton’s lead is strong enough that even if she were to slip to third place in Iowa, she would still have a decent, at least 50% chance, of winning New Hampshire. Such a scenario would probably lead to a very close finish in New Hampshire, but that is still a luxury no other candidate can afford. Right now, Edwards must win Iowa, and Obama must defeat Clinton in Iowa.
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State
Est. Date
# Polls
Romney
Giuliani
Thompson
McCain
Hukabee
Net Avail Cash
June 30
Q2
$12.1M
$14.7M
$2.8M
$0.1M
$0.4M
Iowa
Dec-Jan?
5
30.8%
14.4%
13.4%
6.6%
9.8%
New Hampshire
Jan 08
3
29.0%
22.0%
10.0%
11.7%
6.0%
South Carolina
Jan 19
4
9.8%
22.0%
22.3%
14.0%
6.8%
National
Feb 05
NA
10.9%
26.7%
18.2%
12.1%
2.7%
I have included South Carolina on the Republican side because it is currently scheduled to take place ten days earlier than the Democratic version, which I do not currently see as meaningfully separate from national polling given its late date. Over here, Romney still looks to be in control in Iowa, which means he is also quite comfortably in control in New Hampshire. The question is whether he will receive enough of a bounce from those two early states to surpass both Thompson and Giuliani in South Carolina. Should he pass both, and win South Carolina, he will cruise to the nomination. Should he pass one, and finish in second, look for a Romney vs. South Carolina winner battle on Super Tuesday. Should Romney win both early states, and then finish in third in South Carolina, I have no idea what happens.
Methodological notes can be found in the extended entry.
A new poll from Time makes one wonder if the PR strategies employed both by the White House makes and certain segments of the anti-war movement makes any sense. Americans are more likely to want to maintain or increase troops levels in Iraq more if the situation looks worse, not better (9/4-9/8, PDF, page 22):
83. As you may know, a report about the situation in Iraq by General David Petraeus, the Commander of U.S. forces, and others is scheduled to be released next week. If the report says that the situation in Iraq is IMPROVING, what should the U.S. do next: should the U.S. increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, keep the same number of U.S. troops in Iraq as there are now, decrease the number of troops in Iraq, or remove all its troops from Iraq? QUESTIONS 83-84 WERE ROTATED.
Increase: 6%
Keep the same: 32%
Decrease: 39%
Remove All Troops: 17%
DK / NA: 6%
84. If the report says that the situation in Iraq is GETTING WORSE, what should the U.S. do next: should the U.S. increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, keep the same number of U.S. troops in Iraq as there are now, decrease the number of troops in Iraq, or remove all its troops from Iraq? QUESTIONS 83-84 WERE ROTATED.
Increase: 16%
Keep the same: 27%
Decrease: 25%
Remove All Troops: 22%
DK / NA: 9%
Under the scenario that Iraq is growing worse, support for increasing troops in Iraq is higher, in a statistically significant way, while support for decreasing troops declines in a statistically significant way. However, it has actually been pro-war groups, including the White House, that are arguing that Iraq is showing signs of improvement, while it has been those who oppose the war that have argued Iraq is growing worse. Americans are more likely to want out of Iraq if things are going better in Iraq. Go figure.
The befuddlement over troops levels in Iraq among the public does not end there. The same Time poll asks about residual forces, although the poll really slights the "remove all troops" option (same page in link above):
81. Looking ahead in Iraq, if you had to choose, which of these comes closest to your position: 1. The United States should withdraw all of its troops within the next year regardless of what happens in Iraq after the troops leave. OR 2. The United States should withdraw some troops but leave some troops to train Iraqi forces, conduct raids against terrorist groups and protect American diplomats. OR 3. The United States should keep the same number of troops in Iraq as are there now and continue to fight until there is a stable democracy in Iraq?
Withdraw all troops: 22%
Withdraw some troops: 56%
Keep same: 20%
DK / NA: 2%
I think throwing the ominous "regardless of what happens in Iraq after the troops leave" clause is a clear negative description of the position, especially since the options were not rotated in this poll and it was followed with an apparent compromise solution. This is one reason why the Time poll shows very different numbers from other polls asking essentially the same question, but in a more neutral fashion:
CBS News/New York Times Poll. Sept. 4-8, 2007. N=1,035 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"From what you have seen or heard about the situation in Iraq, what should the United States do now? Should the U.S. increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, keep the same number of U.S. troops in Iraq as there are now, decrease the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, or remove all its troops from Iraq?"
9/4-9/8: Increase 11%, Same 19%, Decrease 35%, Remove all 30%
8/8-8/12: Increase 13%, Same 17%, Decrease 31%, Remove all 30%
7/20-7/22: Increase 12%, Same 15%, Decrease 30%, Remove all 36%
7/9-7/17: Increase12%, Same 18%, Decrease 29%, Remove all 34%
The wording of the Time poll seems to have lopped at least 10% support off the "remove all" option. At the same time, there does appear to be a noticeable trend where support for "remove all" is slowly shifting to support for "decrease the number of troops in Iraq." It would seem that removing all troops no longer holds a plurality of public opinion on Iraq. The cause for this seems to be connected to the findings in the Time poll. Reports of improved conditions in Iraq shift people toward the "remove some" and "keep the same" options, while reports of worsening conditions in Iraq push people toward the "increase troops" and "remove all" options. When Iraq seems to be improving to the public, war opponents seem to move toward simply a reduced force, while war opponents see no need to increase the size of the American force in Iraq. When Iraq seems to be worsening, war opponents move toward removing all troops, and war proponents move toward increasing the number of troops in Iraq.
This results in the most counter-intuitive conclusion of all. The frequent Democratic facilitation of the "Iraq is improving" narrative actually helps those Democratic candidates who want to maintain significant residual forces in Iraq more than it helps anyone else, including the White House. When Iraq is improving, support for withdrawal actually increases, and the plurality position in this country becomes the most commonly held policy among Democratic elites: "the United States should withdraw some troops but leave some troops to train Iraqi forces, conduct raids against terrorist groups and protect American diplomats." When Iraq is seen as worsening, the plurality position in this country is to remove all troops from Iraq, which is the position held by Bill Richardson, the Center for American Progress, numerous bloggers, and others. The "Iraq is improving" narrative does not help the Republican position on the war. Instead, it helps the residual force Democratic position on Iraq, while hurting both the Republican position and the progressive Democratic position. As such, some Democrats have a vested interest in making comments like:
We've begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar province, it's working.
We're just years too late changing our tactics. We can't ever let that happen again. We can't be fighting the last war. We have to be preparing to fight the new war.
And this new war requires different tactics and strategies. We've got to be prepared to maintain the best fighting force in the world.
An improved situation in Iraq increases support for troops withdrawal, while also decreasing support for removing all troops. Given that virtually every Democratic plan among 2008 candidates and those proposed in Congress favors the "withdraw some, but leave residual troops" option, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that Democrats are not doing a particularly good job of fighting back against the "situation is improving in Iraq" line coming from Republicans. Dong so strengthens their hand, by making their position on Iraq both a plurality nationwide, and a nice compromise between removing all troops and maintaining the status quo.
While I don't agree with it, at least this allows the way Democrats have been acting on Iraq to make a lot more sense.
Three-out-of-four Democrats (75%) believe that if Clinton wins the nomination, she is at least somewhat likely to win the White House in 2008. Seventy-three percent (73%) of Democrats say the same about Edwards and 69% think Obama is at least somewhat likely to win if nominated. However, there is a higher degree of confidence in Clinton than other candidates. Forty-one percent (41%) of Democrats say that Clinton is Very Likely to win the White House if nominated. Just 26% say the same about Obama and 24% have that confidence in Edwards.
When the question is asked of all voters, not just Democrats, a similar pattern emerges. If nominated, Clinton is considered at least somewhat likely to win by 53% of all voters. Fifty-four percent (54%) say the same about Edwards and 55% about Obama. However, 24% of all voters say that if Clinton is nominated, she is Very Likely to win it all. Just 17% say that Obama is Very Likely to win the White House while 16% say a victory in November is Very Likely for Edwards.
The picture looks much different, however, among unaffiliated voters. Among this important segment of the voting population, 50% say Obama is at least somewhat likely to win if nominated. Forty-eight percent (48%) say the same about Edwards and just 42% see a Clinton victory as Somewhat or Very Likely.
How much this advantage on perceived electability is contributing to Clinton's national poll advantage is unclear, but t is almost certainly making at least some contribution to that advantage. It is also interesting that both Democrats and Republicans differ from Independents on this matter. I have no real explanation for that difference, except that perceived electability and voter preference are probably linked together in a chicken-and-egg type fashion for many. Relative to Clinton, Obama does better among unaffiliated voters than he does among self-identified Democrats, so it probably isn't a surprise that unaffiliated voters also view Obama as more electable than Clinton.
Overall, apart from the specifics of the 2008 campaign, "electability" is a largely subjective concept loaded with dominant preconceptions about ideology, experience, and personality. Centrist candidates are generally viewed as more electable than progressive candidates. Experienced candidates are generally viewed as more electable than fresh faces. Populists are viewed as less electable than "well-mannered" insiders. Generally speaking, "electability" is such a nebulous concept, that it is easy to warp it to conform with other perceptions about the American political scene. That is to say, one way to tell that centrists, elites, and the entrenched establishment have control over Democratic culture and the national political discourse is that a concept like "electability" implies that candidates must conform to the standards of centrists, elites, and entrenched establishment types.
Control of the electability narrative relative to Democrats largely equals, or at least signals, control over the Democratic Party. This is why I think it is dangerous for the grassroots and progressive movement to argue against the use of electability narratives in elections. The problem for the people-powered movement is not that electability is a concept used in primary elections, but rather that the electability narrative does not conform to our standards of what makes a superior Democratic candidate in a primary. After all, one of the main reasons why many congressional Democrats act in ways that infuriate us is that they believe those actions are the smart, electable thing to do. When being "electable" for a Democrat means that a candidate is a populist, progressive, outsider, then that means the progressive movement will have made real strides in seizing power within the progressive ecosystem.
I know that grassroots and progressive Democrats have been burned by electability many times in the past, and as such some just want to chuck the concept altogether. However, ceding the definition of electability is equivalent to ceding significant power to centrists, elites, and the establishment. We can't change the culture of the Democratic Party as long as a conservative voting record, sucking up to corporate donors, and following beltway advice equals electoral smarts. Instead, once electoral smarts equals a progressive voting record, populist campaign style, a grassroots operation, and fresh faces, then we will start to see a huge change in Democratic Party culture, not to mention a huge change in Democratic culture in Congress. In this way, it is actually through a change in the definition of "electable" that the people-powered, progressive movement can leverage a huge change in Washington, D.C. As such, I think dismissing the electability argument, rather than trying to seize control of it, is extremely dangerous for the progressive grassroots and netroots.
Now, I don't necessarily know how to change the definition, but I do believe trying to do so should be one of our main goals as progressives. As long as it is considered the smart move for many Democrats to regularly act against the interests and desires of the progressive movement, there will never be a progressive governing majority in Washington, D.C.
This evening I was looking around for information on public opinion comparing the 40K-60K plans endorsed by most of the Democratic presidential field and most Democrats in Congress, and plans to remove all troops except those to protect the embassy. While I did not find what I was looking for, I instead found something much better. Back in July, Diageo / Hotline produced a poll (PDF, relevant material starts on page 11) asking rank and file Democrats what they thought Clinton, Edwards and Obama were proposing for Iraq. The question was phrased as follows:
Now I’m going to read you a list of people, organizations. For each person or organization, please tell me which of the following four choices comes closest to what you think their view is on what the U.S. should do in Iraq?
And they gave the following options:
Make no cutbacks in U.S. troops in Iraq
Leave a substantial number of troops in Iraq, but have
them concentrate on training Iraqis and targeting Al Qaeda leaders in Iraq.
Start withdrawing troops within the next three months, with all troops out within nine months from now.
Begin an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. troops in Iraq
While these plans do not exactly matchup with existing Democratic plans on Iraq, they are pretty close. Biden, Clinton, Dodd, and Obama basically support option #2, Richardson and Kucinich support some combination of options #3 and #4, and Edwards is something of a hybrid between #2, #3 and #4. Here is what self-identified Democrats thought the three “top” contenders for the nomination were proposing:
What Democrats Think Clinton, Edwards and Obama will do in Iraq
Candidate
Option #1
Option #2
Option #3
Option #4
Clinton
6%
10%
48%
28%
Edwards
3%
15%
44%
15%
Obama
5%
10%
44%
27%
Now, option #2 is almost precisely what Clinton and Obama support, although I imagine they would quibble with the use of the term “substantial” in the question. However, only 10% of Democrats properly identify their plan for Iraq as such. Overwhelming majorities of Democrats, 76% and 71% for Clinton and Obama respectively, think that Clinton and Obama will engage in much more thorough withdrawal from Iraq than their plans actually indicate. Why do Democrats think that Clinton and Obama will withdraw all troops in nine months, when they have both clearly stated that they are actually in favor of option #2? Probably because Clinton and Obama keep saying that they will end the war, but rarely mention that they want to keep some forces in Iraq to, as Obama says on this website:
The plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq as basic force protection, to engage in counter-terrorism and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces.
(1) That a phased redeployment of United States military forces from Iraq has begun, in a manner consistent with any limitations on aid for Iraq for security purposes in effect under section 4, including the transition of United States forces in Iraq to the limited presence and mission of-
(A) training Iraqi security forces;
(B) providing logistic support of Iraqi security forces;
(C) protecting United States personnel and infrastructure; and
(D) participating in targeted counter-terrorism activities.
I wonder what the rank and file would think of Clinton and Obama if they knew that they actually supported option #2. I wonder how much it would change the campaign, especially since Edwards proposes a more thorough withdrawal, and Richardson supports an even more thorough withdrawal than Edwards. There are some indications that it could change the campaign dramatically. For example, most Democrats are aware that options #1 and #2 are more hawkish, as a majority attribute option #1 to Bush, and a plurality attribute option #2 to McCain and Romney (even though, of course, McCain and Romney actually support position #1). Then again, a plurality of Democrats disturbingly think that Rudy Giuliani supports option #3.
The lack of voter education on presidential candidate plans for Iraq is both breathtaking and frightening. Unless something changes in the next few months, voters will be in for a rude awakening when they find out that virtually every candidate for President with a real chance of becoming the nominee of either major party, save possibly Edwards and definitely save Richardson, are way more hawkish on Iraq than they are believed to be. Democratic voters might be in for a particularly rude awakening in the general election, or at least some point in 2009, when they find out the candidate they nominated is actually in favor of keeping a substantial number of troops in Iraq.
If Democratic voters become aware of candidate plans for Iraq, and still end up nominating someone who favors a substantial residual force to train Iraqi security and conduct counter-terrorism, I can live with that, even if I will work against it. However, if Democrats end up nominating a candidate who supports a substantial residual forces plan while thinking that candidate will actually withdraw virtually all troops in a short period of time, then basically our party will have been hoodwinked in a manner not unlike the way the war was first sold to the American public back in 2002 and 2003. While that will be incredibly depressing and infuriating, it also won’t be that much of a huge surprise. After all, most of the Democratic foreign policy elite behind the substantial residual forces plan actually helped sell the Iraq war before it began. The obfuscation used to continue American military involvement in Iraq never ceases, and it seems the players involved never change.
In what I would have to consider an extremely strange move for the primary season, it appears Hillary Clinton has started using a new stump speech that trumpets her status as an insider and her willingness to compromise with Republicans. Those are not exactly her words, but they are pretty darn close:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York unveiled a new stump speech on Sunday, outlining the "four big goals" she would have as president and saying she was willing to "work within the system" and make "principled compromises" to achieve them.(…)
"From my time in the White House and in the Senate, I learned you bring change by working in the system established by the Constitution," Mrs. Clinton said at an early afternoon rally in Concord, drawing a pointed contrast to the outsider messages of Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards. Referring to the Roosevelts and Johnson, she said, "They got big things done because they knew it wasn't just about the dream, it's about the results."
"I want to work within the system," Mrs. Clinton said. "You can't pretend the system doesn't exist."
Um, OK. I have looked in vain to find the entire speech online, but those quotes from the New York Times will have to do for now. It is certainly an interesting tactic to basically start using a variation of the attacks of your two closest opponents, John Edwards and Barack Obama, as a means of selling yourself to voters. In this speech, she is presenting herself as an insidery technocrat, which is unusual as it breaks from the typical red meat diet voters receive from candidates in a primary campaign. Further, telling people that you plan to compromise ahead of time is also unusual as it comes at Obama and Edwards from the right. Outside of her inexplicable comments on nuclear weapons, from her vote against funding the war to her partisan rhetoric on electability, this is a direction she has refused to engage so far. If Clinton keeps using this language, it will become much easier for either Edwards or Obama to label Clinton as an agent of compromise and a self-identified insider. If they are willing to step up, and slightly redirect their attacks, it seems like she is playing into their hands.
Then again, while this seems like dangerous territory for Clinton, it is just so crazy that it might work. One of the things we discovered last year in the MyDD / Wright Consulting / Courage Campaign Strategy Memo for Democratic Congressional Challengers is that the electorate does not really believe that one party or one individual is going to bring about any sweeping change in Washington. Given this, I have to wonder if there might be a strange brilliance behind Clinton using this sort of language. While most candidates seem to talk of igniting grandiose change in Washington that never happens, perhaps voters will hear what Clinton is saying and be relieved by her honesty. Everyone thinks Clinton is the consummate insider, and many progressives think she is too willing to compromise. So, as with her lobbyist comment at the Yearly Kos candidates forum, rather than engaging in a contorted denial no one would believe and then improbably trying to recreate her image as an outsider even though no one will ever see her as such, she instead just comes out stating that yes she is an insider, and yes she thinks compromise can be good. This could very well work, as it will make Clinton look comfortable in her own skin, and make it appear as though she has nothing to hide.
Whether or not this helps or hurts Clinton, either way, I think this new language she is using will serve as an interesting test of Peter Daou's Triangle theory (Peter is currently a senior staff member of Hillary Clinton's campaign.) Albeit with a different tone and different qualifiers, Clinton is now saying the same things about herself that progressive bloggers have been saying about her for a long time: she is too much of an insider and her centrist leanings make her far too quick to compromise with Republicans. As such, after nibbling around the edges of this critique for a while and never naming names, the door now seems open for Edwards, Obama or someone else to broadly and vociferously adopt the most common anti-Clinton critique seen in the progressive blogosphere and potentially create a new narrative around Clinton in so doing. If I understand Daou's "triangle" theory correctly, if the most common progressive blogosphere critique of Hillary Clinton were picked up by multiple non-Clinton campaigns, that critique would become legitimate in the eyes of the media as both the progressive blogosphere and campaigns X, Y and Z would all be saying the same thing about Hillary Clinton. It is only at that point, and not a moment before, that it is possible the established media would start to repeat the blogosphere's critique of Hillary Clinton, and thus a new, potentially damaging conventional wisdom surrounding her would be born.
Then again, to pivot a third time in this post, this might never become conventional for two reasons. First, it is possible that no other Democratic campaign will attack her as too eager to compromise with Republicans after spending the last month making electability based comments about her high unfavorables. Second, even if other campaigns do adopt this critique, the media might not accept it as legitimate because of the way she has been attacked by Republicans both in the past and in the now. So, there might be some real barriers toward making this attack stick.
Still, at the very least, I now think the door has opened quite a bit for any non-Clinton Democratic candidate to start using the most common critique of Hillary Clinton in the progressive blogosphere. With Clinton herself basically repeating that critique, if adopted by other campaigns it has the potential of portraying her as a compromising, insidery Democrat just like our Congressional leadership that has failed to do much about the war. That leadership has seen its approval rating crash among liberals and progressives since the first capitulation vote. If Clinton develops a similar image among the rank and file, it will become much more difficult for her to win the nomination.
Edwards: United Steel Workers, United Mine Workers of America, International Brotherhood of Carpenters. 2.3 million combined members.
Clinton: United Transportation Union, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. 800,000 combined members.
Dodd: International Association of Firefighters. 271,000 members
Of course, the size of a union is not the only way to measure its political effectiveness. The Fire Fighters, for example, are widely regarded as a key endorsement despite their somewhat smaller membership. Here is the current line on future union endorsements:
SEIU, 1.8 million members: Probably Edwards, Obama or no one.
AFSCME, 1.5 million members: Could be any of the top three
Teamsters, 1.4 million members: Could be any of the top three
American Federation of Teachers, 830,000 members: Probably Clinton
UNITE-HERE: 450,000 members: Probably Edwards
In every other case, from what I understand, pretty much every other union leans toward Edwards, or leans toward not making endorsement. One possible exception I would imagine is that the National Education Association would lean toward Clinton, but I haven't heard much from them about making a primary endorsement. For more information, You can see a complete list of unions with more than 100,000 American members here, and a list of union density by state here. As far as early states go, union members as a percentage of the electorate will be highest in Nevada, second highest in Iowa, third highest in New Hampshire, and lowest in South Carolina. Whether unions will be effective in turning out their membership in these early states, and whether unions will be effective in having their membership vote for the candidate it endorsed, is another question with answers that will vary from union to union.
In all the discussions we've been having here at Open Left about how many people are paying attention to the election (twice as many as usual this far out) and whether its too early to start keeping track, I've been privately considering Labor Day as the unofficial dividing line between early in the race and the middle of the race. Although the primaries are earlier than usual, I'd expect most people just aren't ready to think about the election during the summer. Actually, I seriously wonder how many people are even aware that the primaries are earlier.
Given that, I think it's a good time to look back what's happened over the summer. The short version: not much.
Democrats Nationally
May (to obtain this estimate, I averaged the 5 national polls closest to the end of May): Clinton 35, Obama 22, Edwards 11, Richardson 2
Now (Pollster.com): Clinton 39, Obama 22, Edwards 11, Richardson 3
There has been very little change in the Democratic race over the course of the summer. Although Clinton has consolidated her lead slightly, she has gained only 4 points in three months, and the dynamics of the race remain basically unaltered at the national level.
Iowa May (same methodology): Clinton 23, Obama 19, Edwards 28, Richardson 9
Now(Pollster.com): Clinton 26, Obama 20, Edwards, 24, Richardson 13
After closely following the polls in Iowa, and personally feeling like a lot of potentially exciting change had taken place, I surprised to find that no candidate had lost or gained more than a few points in Iowa since May. There are, however, a handful of changes here. Most notably, Clinton has moved slightly ahead of Edwards in the Iowa polls. However, given the difficulty of polling the Iowa caucus, particularly at this early date, as well as the fact that 46% of likely Iowa caucus goers says they still might change their minds (pdf), and the at least slight over-representation of Clinton and Obama voters in groups that are historically less likely to attend the caucuses, it seems wise not to make too much of this.
I was surprised to find that Richardson's rise in Iowa appears to be somewhat overstated. Crossing into the double digits breaks a big mental barrier for me, and possibly for others, but Richardson has gained only about 3.5 points in Iowa over the course of the summer. His gain is approximately equivalent to Edwards' 4 point drop since May, as well as to Clinton's 3 point gain. Obviously his gain is greater as a fraction of his support since he is starting from a much smaller base, so perhaps that explains the excitement.
New Hampshire
May (same methodology): Clinton 34, Obama 20, Edwards 16, Richardson 8
Now(Pollster.com): Clinton 35, Obama 22, Edwards 10, Richardson 11
In fairness to Edwards, he seems to have stopped his slide in New Hampshire, and an average of the four most recent polls finds him at 14 rather than 10. Pollster intentionally uses a methodology that is slower to react to changes than other possible methods. I appreciate this feature of the methodology because I am as interested in stability as I am in change, but if the current trends hold, Edwards' change in position may look more like a blip than a slide. The last four polls also have Richardson back at about 8%, so his slight gain may also prove temporary.
2004 primary polling and the Republican field in the extended text