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What if Obama tried to split the right, instead of the left?

by: OpenLeft

Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:00

During Netroots Nation, we are running Golden Oldies plus a few surprises.  Regularly Scheduled programming will resume on July 26.

A Paul Rosenberg Golden Oldie
From Sun Jan 20, 2008.
Original HERE.


I had a wonderful post on this subject, what got et when the site went down yesterday.  It did go down, didn't it?  It wasn't just me? So you'll just have to make do with this vastly inferior version.

Regardless of his intentions, Obama has been doing a pretty good job of splitting the left for some time now.  Secular humanists, peace activists, Boomers, gays, all have had their turns feeling particularly spurned, while his version of triangulation has many even more nervous than the Clinton version made them.  Many think he's got the perscription exactly backwards-Democrats don't suffer from being too much like the always-combatative Republicans, but from being too wimpy, too reluctant to stand up and fight for what they belive. And many think that now's not the time to reach out with a hand of friendship, just when they're sinking like a stone.

In this diary, I'm not going to try to solve all the differences just mentioned.  Rather, I'm just going to look at one prominent example from the last week, and look at how it could have been handled differently, so that the divisions generated would have been among conservatives, not progressives.  It's a very logical strategy to pursue on two counts: First, as a progressive, Obama should naturally want to unify progressives.  Second, given that only some conservatives are genuinely interested in cooperation, while others are dedicated to oppostion, it makes perfect sense to reach out specifically to those who are reachable in a way that clarifies their differences from those who are not.

I am not suggesting a Machiavellian manoeuvre here.  Quite the opposite.  I am suggesting a clarifying manoeuvre to bring hidden differences out into the open, in order to preempt yet another round of Machiavellian maipulations to prevent the very sort of cooperation that Obama advocates for.  What I'm going to do is recall Obama's remarks about Ronald Reagan, which have once again divided progresssives, and then I'm going to suggest two possible alternatives that could have found broad acceptance among progressives, while causing legitimate, and clarifying consternation among conservatives.

The first alternative questions the efficacy of Reagan's conservativism, and pushes the case that Eisenhower is a better, more substantial model to follow. Eisenhower isn't generally thought of as a conservative, but that's beause movement conservatives are actually reactionaries, who have kidnapped the "conservative" label.  Eisenhower's model of gradual adaptation, not seeking to radically alter what has become part of the organic fabric of society (such as Social Security) is perfectly in line with the main thrust of Edmund Burke's thinking. Joseph de Maistre, not so much.

The second points out a number of liberal inconsistencies in Reagan's record, and casts doubt on whether he'd be accepted today as a true heir of himself.  The example of Mike Huckabee is instructive in this regard, too.

Let the games begin...

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What if Obama tried to split the right, instead of the left?

by: OpenLeft

Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 00:00

A Paul Rosenberg Golden Oldie
From Sun Jan 20, 2008.
Original HERE.


I had a wonderful post on this subject, what got et when the site went down yesterday.  It did go down, didn't it?  It wasn't just me? So you'll just have to make do with this vastly inferior version.

Regardless of his intentions, Obama has been doing a pretty good job of splitting the left for some time now.  Secular humanists, peace activists, Boomers, gays, all have had their turns feeling particularly spurned, while his version of triangulation has many even more nervous than the Clinton version made them.  Many think he's got the perscription exactly backwards-Democrats don't suffer from being too much like the always-combatative Republicans, but from being too wimpy, too reluctant to stand up and fight for what they belive. And many think that now's not the time to reach out with a hand of friendship, just when they're sinking like a stone.

In this diary, I'm not going to try to solve all the differences just mentioned.  Rather, I'm just going to look at one prominent example from the last week, and look at how it could have been handled differently, so that the divisions generated would have been among conservatives, not progressives.  It's a very logical strategy to pursue on two counts: First, as a progressive, Obama should naturally want to unify progressives.  Second, given that only some conservatives are genuinely interested in cooperation, while others are dedicated to oppostion, it makes perfect sense to reach out specifically to those who are reachable in a way that clarifies their differences from those who are not.

I am not suggesting a Machiavellian manoeuvre here.  Quite the opposite.  I am suggesting a clarifying manoeuvre to bring hidden differences out into the open, in order to preempt yet another round of Machiavellian maipulations to prevent the very sort of cooperation that Obama advocates for.  What I'm going to do is recall Obama's remarks about Ronald Reagan, which have once again divided progresssives, and then I'm going to suggest two possible alternatives that could have found broad acceptance among progressives, while causing legitimate, and clarifying consternation among conservatives.

The first alternative questions the efficacy of Reagan's conservativism, and pushes the case that Eisenhower is a better, more substantial model to follow. Eisenhower isn't generally thought of as a conservative, but that's beause movement conservatives are actually reactionaries, who have kidnapped the "conservative" label.  Eisenhower's model of gradual adaptation, not seeking to radically alter what has become part of the organic fabric of society (such as Social Security) is perfectly in line with the main thrust of Edmund Burke's thinking. Joseph de Maistre, not so much.

The second points out a number of liberal inconsistencies in Reagan's record, and casts doubt on whether he'd be accepted today as a true heir of himself.  The example of Mike Huckabee is instructive in this regard, too.

Let the games begin...

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What If Obama Tried to Split The Right, Instead of the Left?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 10:19

I had a wonderful post on this subject, what got et when the site went down yesterday.  It did go down, didn't it?  It wasn't just me? So you'll just have to make do with this vastly inferior version.

Regardless of his intentions, Obama has been doing a pretty good job of splitting the left for some time now.  Secular humanists, peace activists, Boomers, gays, all have had their turns feeling particularly spurned, while his version of triangulation has many even more nervous than the Clinton version made them.  Many think he's got the perscription exactly backwards-Democrats don't suffer from being too much like the always-combatative Republicans, but from being too wimpy, too reluctant to stand up and fight for what they belive. And many think that now's not the time to reach out with a hand of friendship, just when they're sinking like a stone.

In this diary, I'm not going to try to solve all the differences just mentioned.  Rather, I'm just going to look at one prominent example from the last week, and look at how it could have been handled differently, so that the divisions generated would have been among conservatives, not progressives.  It's a very logical strategy to pursue on two counts: First, as a progressive, Obama should naturally want to unify progressives.  Second, given that only some conservatives are genuinely interested in cooperation, while others are dedicated to oppostion, it makes perfect sense to reach out specifically to those who are reachable in a way that clarifies their differences from those who are not.

I am not suggesting a Machiavellian manoeuvre here.  Quite the opposite.  I am suggesting a clarifying manoeuvre to bring hidden differences out into the open, in order to preempt yet another round of Machiavellian maipulations to prevent the very sort of cooperation that Obama advocates for.  What I'm going to do is recall Obama's remarks about Ronald Reagan, which have once again divided progresssives, and then I'm going to suggest two possible alternatives that could have found broad acceptance among progressives, while causing legitimate, and clarifying consternation among conservatives.

The first alternative questions the efficacy of Reagan's conservativism, and pushes the case that Eisenhower is a better, more substantial model to follow. Eisenhower isn't generally thought of as a conservative, but that's beause movement conservatives are actually reactionaries, who have kidnapped the "conservative" label.  Eisenhower's model of gradual adaptation, not seeking to radically alter what has become part of the organic fabric of society (such as Social Security) is perfectly in line with the main thrust of Edmund Burke's thinking. Joseph de Maistre, not so much.

The second points out a number of liberal inconsistencies in Reagan's record, and casts doubt on whether he'd be accepted today as a true heir of himself.  The example of Mike Huckabee is instructive in this regard, too.

Let the games begin...

There's More... :: (112 Comments, 1147 words in story)
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