electoral votes

Electoral College thought experiment

by: Dirty D

Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 17:01

Originally posted at Overdetermined.

From now until this country falls apart, we can rest assured that every two years, there will be a long and agonizing discussion on the use of the filibuster in the Senate and that every four years, there will be an even more long and agonizing discussion of the Electoral College.  This is just one of those things that we, as Americans, have to deal with.  The original installation for this year's EC navel-gazing began with The National Popular Vote. Under this scheme, once there were enough states to have an EV total of 271, they would all agree to assign their EV's to whomever won the popular vote.  It was an interesting side-step around having to dismantle the Electoral College, and took advantage of the fact that the Constitution allows each state to decide how they will assign their electors.


Full disclosure: I'm in favor of the EC, but there's no part of this post that's about justifying it.


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Electoral Map Typology

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 15:15

Last weekend, in "The 'Mapping-Changing' Meme In Historical Perspective, 1896 To Date", I looked at the changing patterns of electoral maps from 1896 to date, taking them in series of time periods.  In this diary, I want to step back an look at the overall patterns, and see if there aren't some lessons we can learn from them.

I looked at all the maps, and tried to come up with a sensible way of grouping them.  The discussion below is based on that grouping, but I'm open to suggestions about other ways of grouping them as well.  I'm going to be working at three levels in this diary.  The lowest level-which I'll get to last-is that in which every map appears, and they are all shown in their groupings.  The middle level-which begins below the fold-shows one representative map for each of the groups.  The top level-shown immediately below-groups all the Democratic-leaning maps and all the Republican-leaning maps together into two supergroups.

Democratic Vs. Republican Maps

The archetypal Democratic victory of the past 100 years was Roosevelt's re-election in 1936. The archetypal Republican victory of the past 100 years was Nixon's re-election in 1936 1972.   Roosevelt's victory was a resounding affirmation of the New Deal.  It's hard to believe it, but Republicans actually thought they were going to win in 1936, and a bit winning issue for them was going to be.... Social Secutiry!  With the government taking money out of people's paychecks-and no one getting anything back, at first, the Republicans thought they had themselves a sure-fired winner.  On the other hand, Nixon's 1972 victory was all about "us" vs. "them"--but he did not threaten the core New Deal accomplishements, and in fact, he used cooperation with the still-powerful, still-liberal Democratic Congress to help give him the freedom to act in the areas he really cared about-primarily foreign relations.  

Twelve years later, Ronald Reagan would win a similarly strong landslide, basically on much the same terms-even though the foundation was far more questionable.  Reagan was much more hostile to the New Deal than Nixon had been, and the Congress was weaker.  But while programs were cut back, the post-double-dip recession boom provided enough short-term prosperity that most folks simply weren't thinking about such things, so it was relatively easy to keep them out of the debate-especially with Walter Mondale talking about raising people's taxes.  Thus, what these high-level maps have to tell us is that Democrats win when the issues of public welfare and the common good are front and center, while Republicans win when such issues can be shunted aside, one way or another, and issues of identity--"us vs. them"-come to the fore.

Not a real surprise, you say?  Well, maybe not.  But if not, then why does virtually every Democratic candidate ignore the power of Roosevelt's message?  Bill Clinton, for one, did not.  He ran as an economic populist.  Governing, not so much.  But he knew what to tell people, and won eleciton by comfortable margins.

Here's another way to look at the two groups of maps, in terms of recent victories by the two parties.  The maps are quite similar.  But Clinton won a cluster of key states in 1996 that Gore did not.four years later.  A principle reason was that Gore simply lacked Clinton's capactity to campaign as a populist:

On the flip, we look at the wider variety of map groups associated with each party's success in different forms at different times.

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"Flag City" Just Another Media Myth About Obama

by: paulhogarth

Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:41

From today's Beyond Chron.

Yesterday's Washington Post had a front-page piece on Findlay, Ohio - the "Flag City" - where small-town voters in the ultimate swing state still believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim.  What the Post didn't report is that Findlay voted 2-1 for George Bush in 2004, and in 2006 rejected Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown (who won a landslide victory statewide.)  It's just the latest example of the media projecting the myth that the Presidential race is somehow close, and grasping for non-existent trends to keep it alive.

But reality says otherwise.  Women and Latinos who supported Hillary Clinton are flocking to Obama, despite the narrative that Democrats are "divided."  State-by-state polls consistently show Obama on his way to surpassing 270 electoral votes - with hints that November could become a rout.  Even national polls with Obama ahead by double digits are dismissed as "outliers," along with the constant reminder that Michael Dukakis blew a 17-point lead (without any context of two very different candidates).  The media won't admit that the Presidential race is over, and Obama is going to win.

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Presidential Forecast, May 19th

by: Chris Bowers

Mon May 19, 2008 at 13:25

McCain 229, Obama 228, Toss-up 81



(Dark Blue means "Solid Obama," or Obama +10% or more
Light Blue means "Lean Obama," or Obama +4.1%-+9.9%
White means "Toss-up," from between Obama +4.0% to McCain +4.0%
Light Red means "Lean McCain" or McCain +4.1%-+9.9%
Dark Red means "Solid McCain," or McCain +10.0% or more
)

Solid Obama: 130 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Connecticut 7 51.0% 36.5% +14.5% 2
D.C. 3 -- -- +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 59.0% 34.0% +25.0% 2
Maine-AL* 2 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +17.0% 0
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +10.0% 0
Maryland 10 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Minnesota 10 51.5% 38.0% +13.5% 2
New Jersey 15 52.0% 36.0% +16.0% 2
New York 31 49.5% 36.5% +13.0% 2
Oregon 7 51.5% 40.0% +11.5% 2
Rhode Island 4 47.5% 34.0% +13.5% 2
Vermont 3 60.0% 32.5% +27.5% 2
Washington 11 52.5% 41.0% +11.5% 2

Lean Obama: 98 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 50.0% 43.0% +7.0% 2
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
Iowa 7 46.5% 41.5% +5.0% 2
Massachusetts 12 49.5% 42.5% +7.0% 2
Pennsylvania 21 45.3% 40.3% +5.0% 3

Toss-up: 81 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Indiana 11 45.5% 49.0% -3.5% 2
Michigan 17 43.5% 43.0% +0.5% 2
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -1.0% 0
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- +4.0% 0
Nevada 5 44.5% 45.0% -0.5% 2
New Mexico 5 47.0% 45.5% +1.5% 2
North Dakota 3 42.0% 43.0% -1.0% 2
Ohio 20 43.0% 44.0% -1.0% 2
South Carolina 8 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 1
Wisconsin 10 45.0% 45.0% Even 2

Lean McCain: 121 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 41.5% 49.5% -8.0% 2
Colorado 9 42.5% 47.0% -4.5% 2
Florida 27 40.5% 48.5% -8.0% 2
Missouri 11 41.5% 48.5% -7.0% 2
Montana 3 41.0% 47.5% -6.5% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 40.5% 47.5% -7.0% 2
New Hampshire 4 42.0% 50.0% -8.0% 2
North Carolina 15 42.7% 49.0% -6.3% 3
Texas 34 41.0% 50.0% -9.0% 2
Virginia 13 44.0% 49.5% -5.5% 2

Solid McCain: 108 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 34.0% 59.5% -25.5% 2
Arizona 10 37.5% 52.5% -15.0% 2
Arkansas 6 31.5% 58.0% -26.5% 2
Georgia 15 39.5% 53.5% -14.0% 2
Idaho 4 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Kansas 6 35.5% 54.5% -19.0% 2
Kentucky 8 33.5% 57.0% -23.5% 2
Louisiana 9 37.0% 52.5% -15.5% 2
Mississippi 6 41.0% 54.0% -13.0% 1
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -25.0% 2
Oklahoma 7 27.5% 59.5% -32.0% 2
South Dakota 3 36.0% 49.5% -13.5% 2
Tennessee 11 33.5% 55.5% -22.0% 2
Utah 5 39.0% 50.0% -11.0% 1
West Virginia 5 35.0% 53.0% -18.0% 1
Wyoming 3 35.0% 54.0% -19.0% 1

Methodology and analysis in the extended entry.

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