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Whitehouse: Waterboarding Story Line "False in Every One of its Dimensions"

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:00

Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), June 9:

I want my colleagues and the American public to know that measured against the information I have been able to gain access to, the story line we have been led to believe--the story line about waterboarding we have been sold--is false in every one of its dimensions.

This week, Sheldon Whitehouse gave a Senate speech on torture that should be one for the history books. emptywheel caught part of its significance in calling it "a barnburning", and more with these specifics on content:

The speech goes further than President Obama's and Russ Feingold's and Carl Levin's calls on Cheney's lies in two ways. First, those other calls focused on whether the documents Cheney wants declassified actually say what he claims they say; Whitehouse focused on whether Cheney's more basic claims about torture are true. And second, Whitehouse here focuses not on whether we needed waterboarding to get intelligence (Obama, for example, said, "the public reports and the public justifications for these techniques -- which is that we got information from these individuals that were subjected to these techniques -- doesn't answer the core question, which is:  Could we have gotten that same information without resorting to these techniques?), but whether we actually got any useful intelligence from the methods at all.

But for me, even more important was the sentiment of patriotic indignation, exquisitely expressed in relentlessly thorough logic, and culminating in lead quote above, toward the end of the speech carrying with it the accumulated weight of the various key falsehoods Whitehead had knocked down the course of his speech. This was a masterful conclusion to a compelling presentation in which Whitehouse framed the issue of torture in terms of values, not just in the abstract, but in terms of lived history confronting threats far more dangerous to our survival as a nation.  This speech clearly defined for one and all what a progressive perspective on torture looks like.  

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FBI Agent: One of Many Interrogators Who Understands Why Waterboarding Does Not Work

by: David Danzig

Wed May 13, 2009 at 15:36

According to Ali Soufan, an FBI interrogator, waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation" procedures actually caused a key Al Qaeda operative to clam up, not provide actionable intelligence as former Vice President Dick Cheney and others have claimed.
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Condoleezza Rice avows; President is above law

by: Betsy L. Angert

Fri May 01, 2009 at 21:07


Condi Rice Pulls a Nixon: If the President Orders Torture, It Must be Legal

copyright © 2009 Betsy L. Angert.  BeThink.org

Students at Stanford stood still as they listened to former Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice speak.  As the scholars pondered the words of the prominent woman who presented her case for waterboarding, many mused; "Is it Richard Nixon, or Condoleezza Rice?  Which person thinks a President is above the law?" One might wonder.  Those who viewed a video taped classroom conversation with Secretary Rice, today express astonishment as well.  In her defense for actions she took to advocate for this extreme interrogation techniques Condoleezza Rice both blamed her former boss, George W. Bush and justified his decision.

"The president instructed us that nothing we would do would be outside of our obligations, legal obligations under the Convention Against Torture."
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Some Additional Context on SERE Training from Two SAS Commandos

by: Daniel De Groot

Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 22:19

In my analysis of Bybee's reliance on the use of the CIA's interrogation tactics within a training program called Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE), I recalled a couple written anecdotes on the subject I had read from books written by ex-SAS (British special forces, analogous to Delta Force) members in the 1990s.  I've excerpted them below just to elucidate a couple points I was making in the previous entry.
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A Detailed Journey Through the Bybee Memo - Part 2

by: Daniel De Groot

Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 18:23

In part 1, I outlined four categories of problems with Bybee's reasoning.  In this piece, I'd like to tackle his (and CIA's) reliance on the use of these tactics in other contexts, most frequently as part of military counter-interrogation training.

In the first portion of the memo, pages 1-6, Bybee outlines some evidence CIA has provided him on the use of these techniques, in terms of the potential harm they cause.  The premise of this is sound, but it falls down in Bybee and CIA's reliance on it, because in fact the evidence they're able to gather is far too scattered and in most cases, not nearly applicable enough for any surety as to the safety and harmlessness of these tactics.

Bybee primarily relies on the experience of the military's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training program, where (voluntary members of the military) are put through a POW-camp escape training exercise, involving recapture and subsequent interrogation by a hostile government power.  Inside an analysis of Bybee's use of this.

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A Detailed Journey Through the Bybee Memo - Part 1

by: Daniel De Groot

Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 17:30

Digby and DDay have been covering the growing calls for the impeachment of 9th Circuit Court Judge Jay Bybee, the author of this OLC memorandum endorsing the legality of the CIA's proposed interrogation tactics on Abu Zubaydah.

I'd like to make my own run at this horrendous document.  Many particular passages have been repeatedly quoted, but I don't want to lose the burning forest for the fetid, rotting trees on this one.  The thesis of the document is deeply flawed, resting on numerous obviously ridiculous unstated assumptions.

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Jack Bauer Shows Up in Senate

by: David Danzig

Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 16:44

Too bad Senator Jay Rockefeller did not get a casting call for the 7th season of "24" (which is going on right now).

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War on Terror? Torture? Prosecute Us?

by: bobhiggins

Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 13:56

There is an ongoing debate over the closing of America's most notorious detainment/torture center at Guantanamo and the legality and efficacy of using torture to extract "information" from detainees in that and other facilities.

In a piece in this morning's Washington Post titled Torture? Prosecute Us, Too Richard Cohen leads with this:

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." So goes an aphorism that needs to be applied to the current debate over whether those who authorized and used torture should be prosecuted. In the very different country called Sept. 11, 2001, the answer would be a resounding no.

Contrary to what has become the accepted noise, "the world" did not "change" on 9/11. Our laws, our treaties and international agreements as well as our values remained. We did not become a "very different country" on September 12, 2001 despite Mr. Cohen's (and others) claim.

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Waterboarding: "The film the CIA doesn't want you to see"

by: Sven

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:40

Amnesty International is starting an ad campaign in UK cinemas on May 9 showing a 90 second ad about water. Well, at about the 50 second mark it turns into a film about the horrors of waterboarding.

Watch (and, yes, it's very graphic):

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Five Compelling Reasons To Support Bill Richardson

by: Stephen Cassidy

Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 15:16

Bill Richardson is goal-oriented, assertive and confident.  He has served as a Congressman, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Secretary of Energy and is in his second term as Governor of New Mexico after a landslide re-election victory in November 2006. 

Here are five of many reasons why I believe Richardson possesses the experience, vision and leadership skills to be a great President:

1.  A Bright Vision for America
2.  An Ironclad Promise to Promptly End the U.S. Occupation of Iraq
3.  A Bold Agenda To Address The Pressing Challenges Facing Our Nation and Planet
4.  The White House and A Landslide Victory for Democrats Nationwide in 2008
5.  Comprehensive Immigration Reform In Accordance With the Values Upon Which Our Country Was Founded

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Vote "No" On Torture and Mukasey

by: Stephen Cassidy

Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 19:26

Water-boarding is term that describes strapping an individual to a board, with a towel pulled tightly across his face, and pouring water on him or her to cut off air and simulate drowning. 

When asked directly last week whether he thought waterboarding is constitutional, Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey was evasive.  As noted by NPR, Mukasey "danced around the issue of whether waterboarding actually is torture and stopped short of saying that it is." "If it amounts to torture," Mukasey said carefully, "then it is not constitutional."

As stated by Bill Richardson,

Waterboarding is torture, and anyone who is unwilling to identify it as such is not qualified to be the chief legal officer of the United States of America. If I were in the U.S. Senate, I would vote against Mukasey unless he denounces such specific forms of torture.

What about the Democrats in the U.S. Senate and other Democratic Presidential candidates?  Will they oppose Mukasey unless he denounces the use of torture by our government?

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