More ways to slice the 'progressive divide'

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 10:00


On Tuesday, Chris wrote a diary, “On the progressive divide “, commenting on  a piece by Peter Daou, “On the Left, a False Choice Fuels the Growing Civil War Over Obama”.  I want to stress that although President Obama is the focus of this discussion, this is really about something much bigger: it’s about how we understand history and politics and the meaning of being progressive.  I’ll have much more to say about that in other diaries this weekend.  While this diary is adversarial in approach, contrasting two different sides of an ongoing argument, the next diary on progressivism is decidedly not.

“There is a civil war on the left over Barack Obama,” Daou wrote. “The fault lines are jagged, and depending on the issue, porous, but broadly, the split is along two fronts…” Slightly editing Dao’s presentation of the two-fold divide he proposes for consistency (both internally and with Chris’s clearer format) we start with this:


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  • Those who believe that Obama’s progressive critics are going too far, reinforcing rightwing attacks and undermining his presidency.

    versus

  • Those who believe that critiquing — and occasionally opposing — the president on issues such as gay rights, civil liberties and national security is healthy and necessary

2.
  • Those who argue that an incremental approach is the best we can hope for and that Obama’s list of accomplishments is impressive

    versus

  • Those who say that in the long run, watered-down legislation, half measures and empty ‘bipartisanship’ are worse for America (and the Democratic Party).

Chris commented on Peter’s piece and went on to suggest a third front, which was actually developed by Peter in his piece, but not clearly articulated as such.  Here’s what Chris wrote [empahsis added]:

I agree with Peter’s premise that this is largely a false choice. There is no reason why you can’t work toward an ideal aim while, in the face of powerful entrenched opposition, accepting whatever victories you can manage along the way. In fact, as Peter notes, selling the core values that undergird your completed vision for the country is necessary in order to make your incremental victories as large as possible:

Strikingly, this civil war is premised on a false choice: that an incremental legislative approach and a well-articulated grand ideological vision are mutually exclusive. They’re not. Rapid, sweeping changes may not be feasible in the face of entrenched interests and steely GOP obstructionism, and credit should be given to the president for seeking and achieving solid wins. But neither is the White House prohibited from standing up for core Democratic ideals and presenting them powerfully and unflinchingly, explaining to the public in clear terms why Democrats have the better plan for America. Nor does the glacial pace of progress in Washington obviate the need to reverse George Bush’s radical excesses, something the Obama administration has failed (so far) to do.

Perhaps this civil war keeps raging not because people fail to understand that this is a false choice, but instead because there is a third dimension to the argument.

Maintaining the same standard form, this divide is:

3.
  • Those who believe that the Obama administration achieved as much incremental progress as was possible over the last 18 months, or very close to it;

    versus

  • Those who think significantly more could have been achieved had the Obama administration been more progressive and / or aggressive.

As can be seen by Chris’s own quotation of Daou, his “third dimension” is actually just a formalization of Daou’s own argument.  And it’s a very good point, I think.  It strikes me as both a perceptive and a fairly accurate neutral portrayal of the divide.

But is the divide itself a neutral one?  

Paul Rosenberg :: More ways to slice the ‘progressive divide’
Or are there much more conservative forces on the pro-Obama side? Forces that are pleased to see whistleblowers prosecuted while war criminals walk free, for example?  Or forces pleased to Wall Street bailed out, while tens of millions of Americans lose their homes?  I’m not saying that everyone supporting Obama is pleased with these outcomes. That would be absurd.  But it’s equally absurd, I think, to simply assume that everyone supporting Obama deserves to be called “a progressive.”  And for that reason, I think it’s worth looking at other ways that one might express the difference between the two views of Obama expressed in progressive circles.

Active Progressive vs. Passive Conservative Issue Framing

For example, focusing more narrowly on a point that’s subsumed in this third dimension, but that’s worth focusing on separately, particularly given Obama’s strong rhetorical gifts, and the enormous power of the bully pulpit, we have:

4.
  • Those who believe that Obama’s continued active use and/or passive acceptance of conservative framing is not important–or who deny it entirely;

    versus

  • Those who believe that Obama’s failure to articulate a clear progressive alternative view of issues and their inter-relationship is a terrible failing–or else evidence that he’s not a progressive.

Examples of this would include:

(A) The “war on terror”–which Obama has de-branded, but not fundamentally altered or questioned in any way.  His changes have been purely cosmetic: pushing for a more multi-lateral approach with more sweet-talk, along with more drone attacks and targeted assassinations.  Obama has made no attempts to move in the more realistic, pragmatic direction–which also happens to be progressive–of (1) treating terrorism as a criminal matter, not a military one, just like every sane nation in the world (Israel isn’t sane); (2) seeking to reduce tensions and grievances that terrorists can and do exploit; and (3) aggressively supporting alternatives to terrorists in the Moslem world, without requiring them to follow our line, rather than representing the views of the people they arise from.

(B)  Healthcare/Federal Deficits.  Here the main failure was two-fold: First, Obama failed to address healthcare for all as a moral responsibility. Second, he failed to address healthcare as the driving force in our long-term deficit situation–thus perpetuating two major problems by failing to raise a common solution to both.

Healthcare costs in America are driven by multiple monopolies–insurance companies,  drug companies, for-profit providers–that not only fail to provide care for all Americans, but also produce costs far in excess of other roughly comparable countries with longer life expectancy.  In turn, these high costs drive up the cost of government-paid healthcare: Medicare, Medicaid and S-Chip.  Over the long term, these higher costs dominate the US budget outlook. As I noted in my mid-June diary, “Long-Term debt–it’s ALL about health care, and we’d be fine if we spent like ANYONE else “, we would have no problem if our healthcare costs were similar to the average costs of comparable countries:

(C)  The Stimulus/Green Jobs/Global Warming. As with  Healthcare/Federal Deficits, Obama failed on two fronts: He failed to make the moral argument, and he failed to make connecting argument whereby two or more problems share a common solution by seeing things in terms of a larger picture. As I’ve written about on several occasions, George Soros put his finger on the big-picture solution in talking with Bill Moyers in October 2008:

GEORGE SOROS: Well, deal with the mortgage problem. Reduce foreclosures. Recapitalize the banks. And then work on a better world order where we work together to resolve problems that confront humanity like global warming. And I think that dealing with global warming will require a lot of investment.

You see, for the last 25 years the world economy, the motor of the world economy that has been driving it was consumption by the American consumer who has been spending more than he has been saving, all right? Than he’s been producing. So that motor is now switched off. It’s finished. It’s run out of – can’t continue. You need a new motor. And we have a big problem. Global warming. It requires big investment. And that could be the motor of the world economy in the years to come.

BILL MOYERS: Putting more money in, building infrastructure, converting to green technology.

GEORGE SOROS: Instead of consuming, building an electricity grid, saving on energy, rewiring the houses, adjusting your lifestyle where energy has got to cost more until it you introduce those new things. So it will be painful. But at least we will survive and not cook.

BILL MOYERS: You’re talking about this being the end of an era and needing to create a whole new paradigm for the economic model of the country, of the world, right?

GEORGE SOROS: Yes.

(D) The failure of conservative economics.  Quite simply, Obama was incapable of identifying and describing the spectacular failure of conservative economics, because he himself remains a true believer, and has surrounded himself with a whole army of true believers.  This subject is so vast, that I won’t even try to sketch out the main failings. Instead I’ll do the opposite, and site a simple boneheaded example that Adam brought up in his Thursday diary, “Mixed messaging”, from Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on The Kudlow Report:

Now, this president understands deeply that governments don’t create jobs, businesses create jobs. And our job as government is try to make sure we’re creating the conditions that allow businesses to prosper so they can hire people back, get this economy going again.

Michael Steele couldn’t have said it better.

Disagreements In Political Perception

Stepping back a bit, there are also fundamental disagreements in political perception, which can be said to lie behind the differences in perceiving or not perceiving Obama’s rhetorical failings:
5.
  • Those who believe that Obama is a progressive, and that his accomplishments are comparable to FDR in both significance and kind.

    versus

  • Those who believe that Obama is a neo-liberal, and that his accomplishments are comparable to Tony Blair-neutering his party and consolidating–rather than reversing and repudiating–the radical policies of his predecessors.

This is arguably the strangest divide, aince Obama himself has repeatedly made it clear that he’s not in the tradition of FDR (though he does give occassional lip service), and that he is a neo-liberal in the tradition of Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.  Blair is arguably the more instructive figure, since we Americans can see him more clearly at an appropriate distance, and the parliamentary system provides for more clear-cut dividing lines.

When Obama first gave his career-making speech at the 2004 DNC, it was possible to interpret him, in part, as defending liberalism against false accusations, as he attacked stereotyped images of red states and blue states. By now, however, it’s quite clear that he believed those characterizations (see, for example, his later remarks about “1970s style anti-military love-ins”) and was explicitly rejecting them, in parallel to how Blair’s “New Labour” rejected the Labour Party’s traditional commitment to socialism.

Consider the premier legislative example of healthcare reform.  The Blair/Third Way model makes perfect sense of what Obama did: enact a 1990s Republican proposal.  In contrast, the FDR model produces a welter of confusions–including the pretense that this conservative (Heritage Foundation product) plan can be the foundation for further future improvements just the same sort of way that Social Security was improved. Of course, anything can happen, but Obama’s approach made such a future evolution far more difficult and unlikely than it easily could have been.  Indeed, the whole idea of Jacob Hacker’s original public option proposal was precisely to create such a foundation for policy improvement over time, and Obama never once showed any sign of embracing that logic, even when he did give rhetorical approval to the public option at various points in time.

The pretence of Obama as progressive champion comparable to FDR also requires further differences in patternings of political space, as Obama supporters and critics pay attention to different things.  Perhaps most striking is the issue areas that supporter seemingly can’t see at all, producing the following divide:
6.
  • Those who ignore, excuse or support Obama’s Bush-like record on war crimes, civil liberties, prosecuting whistleblowers, expanding the war in Afghanistan, continuing the war on terror, bailing out and protecting Wall Street, privatizing public education, expanding off-shore oil drilling, and enabling the enemies of Social Security and Medicare (not to mention his foot-dragging on gay rights, and his appointment of Supreme Court nominees who are arguably more conservative than the justices they are replacing).

    versus

  • Those who regard Obama’s record on these issues as clearly not progressive, and not excusable or dismissable by any rationale that can be considered progressive.

This divide is virtually self-explanatory. The less said about it, the better… for Obama defenders, that is.  “America is a center-right nation” is basically all they’ve got–as if bailing out Wall Street no strings attached weren’t as popular as the Bubonic plague.  It’s one thing to make occassional tactical concessions under extreme political pressure.  But Obama’s record in these areas has been nothing of the sort.  He is validating and consolidating extreme conservative practices that have demonstrably failed during the Bush years.

Another way in which this divide has reflected a patterning of political space is that Obama’s defenders have selectively portrayed the presidency in ways that are frankly astonishing, given that recent example of eight years under George W. Bush. This is actually best understood in terms of two dichotomies. First:
7.
  • Those who defend Obama by claiming the President is relatively powerless.

    Versus

  • Those who live in the real world. (I tried to think of a nicer, more “neutral” way to phrase this, without straying into Orwellian territory.  I struck out.)

On the later view, see Glenn Greenwald’s devastating basic civics lesson.

And second:
8.
  • Those who focus almost entirely on legislation and say Obama has done as much as he can, given the political constraints

    versus

  • Those who notice his record in areas of executive action, where there’s no gun to his head, but he continues to act like Bush anyway–or at least fails to act like a progressive.

Prominent examples of the later include his escalation of the Afghanistan War, his prosecution of whistleblowers, his support for the Honduran coup, and his disastrous off-shore oil drilling policy.

Conclusion

The point of all the above is fairly simple: I want to show that there are a multiplicity of divides between Obama’s crticis and his defenders, and that the defenders are systematic in keeping their focus sharply narrowed, either arbitrarily, ideologically or both.  Critics, OTOH, are systematic in looking at things more broadly, generally reflecting a more reality-based, pragmatic orientation. This sort of divide previously had defined the difference between supporters of G.W. Bush versus his criticis, and continues to define the difference between Versailles and the outside world.

The first three expressions of the divide, considered in isolation, give rise to a more “balanced” “neutral” interpretation of the nature of the divide.  But this limited number of ways of looking at the divide is itself arbitrarily and ideologically narrowed from a much broader range of differences.  As such, it actually replicates the underlying conceptual biases of the pro-Obama side.  Only a consideration of all the different aspects of the divide can provide us with a truly objective picture of the nature of the divide, as opposed to a Versailles-style “balanced” and “neutral” interpretation.

In particular, any discussion of the “progressive” divide that refuses to seriously consider Obama’s starkly anti-progressive actions in a range of different areas (war-fighting, civil liberties, Wall Street bailouts, off-shore oil drilling, education, etc.) must ultimately be deemed limited at best, and downright dishonest at worst.  This is not to say that Obama is an anti-progressive.  “Self-hating progressive” might be more like it.  Or who the hell knows?  Ultimately, what’s in Obama’s heart and mind is irrelevant.  Our willingness and ability to honestly confront and criticize what he’s done, however, is of utmost importance.  As I said in the beginning, this much less about Obama himself than it is about how we understand history and politics and the meaning of being progressive.

Let the real discussion begin.


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"Self-hating progressiove might be more like it" (0.00 / 0)
This may be true.
It ties in with the one and only factual error I believe you’ve made above:

Obama has made no attempts to move in the more realistic, pragmatic direction–which also happens to be progressive–of (1) treating terrorism as a criminal matter, not a military one

He DID make an attempt, a half-hearted one, but an attempt nonetheless, and then retreated fairly quickly in the face of hostile pressure.  On the one hand such attempts don’t mean shit, or may even be worse than doing nothing, because they get Obama tarred with an undeserved left-wing label based on no left-wing accomplishments, thereby moving the very definition of “left” to the right.  You shouldn’t start fights you’re not ready to finish.

On the other they at least suggest that if we, the left, were able to bring significant numbers of people into the streets we might be able to drown out the tea party noise machine and make something better happen when Obama does make another half-hearted step out onto a limb.

Again, and I’ll repeat over and over if necessary, my point is not to defend Obama but to ask what we can DO to get more bang for the emotional bucks we appear to be wasting by ONLY complaining.

Please allow me a shameless plug for my Quick Hit about the interesting sounds from the new UAW president.

sTiVo’s rule: Just because YOU “wouldn’t put it past ’em” doesn’t prove that THEY did it.


 
Ahem! (0.00 / 0)
(1) In the American system, the president is the most powerful political actor, particularly at this point in our history.  Therefore, writing about how his actions are justified inevitably sheds light on much more than just the actions of the president, and raising counter-arguments to refute those justifications inevitably sheds light on a broader framework of assumptions.  Which is why I wrote that:

I want to stress that although President Obama is the focus of this discussion, this is really about something much bigger: it’s about how we understand history and politics and the meaning of being progressive.

And also why this is not “ONLY complaining”.  Stay tuned for my 2 PM diary, which barely even mentions Obama, but deals with same basic difference in orientation–call it progress vs. accomodation.

(2) Yes, I should have said, “Obama has made no serious attempts…”  When you give up before anyone even notices, it’s not really much of an attempt, but a qualifier there would have been more accurate.

(3) Yes, nice quick hit.  Unfortunately, other labor leaders before him have said much the same thing, and then not lived up to it.  Guy by the name of Sweeney comes to mind.  Let’s hope this time is different.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Ahem yourself 🙂 (0.00 / 0)
I did point out it was your only factual error.

And I wasn’t saying that you are only complaining but it could be said for some of the posters on this blog.

Bob King may prove to be a flash in the pan.  Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.  Nonetheless, we need to be open to these things when they develop and not dismiss them from the get-go.  The alternative is the “been there done that” jadedness which leads nowhere.

Shameless plug for my next Quick Hit, on Hillary and taxation.  No clue what it means but I didn’t see that one coming.

sTiVo’s rule: Just because YOU “wouldn’t put it past ’em” doesn’t prove that THEY did it.


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Ahemin' and Hawin' (0.00 / 0)
I meant that ahem for the point about not being an complaint, but part of larger project.

I should probably have retitled it as the comment “jus’ growed.”

And I was basically agreeing that I should have qualified that statement. I am not now, and never have claimed to be perfect.  How boring would that be?

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The Democratic party's current 1st Amendment (4.00 / 2)
“Democrats shall make no laws respecting an establishment of progressive policies, or prohibiting the free exercise of markets; or abridging the freedom of war, or of the military; or the right of the people peaceably to STFU and acquiese, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances against teachers, nurses and working people.”


“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

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Another take (4.00 / 1)
Obama is a full-fledged neo-liberal and all of his actions to this point in his presidency are consistent with that world view

versus

Obama is a corporate pol and elitist whose goal is the maximum and permanent transfer of wealth from the middle-class to the corporate upper-class using every means available.

(I tend toward the second view. His appointments tell the tale.)


 
What is the difference between these two opinions? (0.00 / 0)
I see none.  The second is what neoliberalism is.

sTiVo’s rule: Just because YOU “wouldn’t put it past ’em” doesn’t prove that THEY did it.

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Not Exactly (4.00 / 3)
It’s very important for neo-liberals to see themselves in a distinct light.  And this does have some practical correlates as well.  Tony Blair couldn’t just be a carbon copy of Maggie Thatcher.  That would never do.  He was Coke to her Pepsi, while replacing fruit juice as the alternative.

Ditto our own neo-liberals.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I would suggest (4.00 / 1)
that neo-liberalism is a world view that is international in scope and sees a light at the end of the tunnel that includes a magical, gradual “lifting up” of the poor in developing nations.

A wiki quote:

Neoliberalism argues that even in an anarchic system of autonomous rational states, cooperation can emerge through the building of norms, regimes and institutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N…

In this comparison, neo-liberalism is the more compassionate model of the two.

The second view, on the other hand, is nothing more than your standard “Hooray for me and fuck you!”, rapaciously greedy and power über alles in der Welt approach to government that seems to be the primary driver behind every empire for the past 4000+ years.


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So you see Obama as Thatcher and not Blair (0.00 / 0)
not sure I agree.  But thanks for explaining.

sTiVo’s rule: Just because YOU “wouldn’t put it past ’em” doesn’t prove that THEY did it.

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To continue the comparison (4.00 / 5)
I see Obama as a Thatcher posing as a slightly more compassionate Blair. I think Paul states it well.

Like I said, it’s his appointments in combination with his selective good cop/bad cop approach to things (like the financial crisis, healthcare reform, housing, unemployment, war, SocSec and Medicare) that makes me think he doesn’t really give a shit about the citizens of this country. His primary goal seems to be the long-term institutionalization of the transfer of wealth from the middle-class to the corporate upper-class.

Worst of all is his implicit absolution of war crimes and other crimes against humanity that the previous administration engaged in — right in our faces, laughing at us the whole time. Those guys should be standing in the dock at the Hague for what they did and not raising money for the 2010 election so that the Republican Party can resume its goose-step march towards a United Fascist States of America.

Also, his looking forward and not looking back routine is getting a little stale.


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Don't Worry! (4.00 / 5)
Also, his looking forward and not looking back routine is getting a little stale.

That’s for war criminals only. Whistleblowers are fair game for-evah!

I do disagree somewhat, though.  I think you see Obama as much more unified and purposeful than I do. I don’t think he has as “His primary goal… the long-term institutionalization of the transfer of wealth from the middle-class to the corporate upper-class.” That’s just a result he’s stumbling into because he’s in over his head.  I think his primary goal is probably not much more than looking good.

In short, he’s a lot more like GW Bush than we’d like to imagine.  Better vocabulary, obviously, but…

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You may be correct (4.00 / 4)
I may need to reconsider. I’m an INFP. I tend to think everyone is special – They are good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like them.

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Not To Mention (4.00 / 1)
That Obama certainly invites people to project onto him.

It was almost an unqualified good thing for him as a candidate.  But nowadays, not so much.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I Think Obama Is More A Neoliberal And A Fool (4.00 / 1)
than a Thatcherite knave.

(It’s part of why Wall Street hates him despite all he’s done for them.)

Not that the end result is any different, mind you.  But as I said, this is not so much about Obama as it is about the broder the broader field of American politics.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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More like an armadillo (0.00 / 0)
Thankfully–for us–not yet run over.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

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There are roughly 5 types of people vis a vis Obama (4.00 / 4)
1 – Teabaggers who claim to loath him and fear that he’s ruining “their” America. Mostly standard issue cultural wars lower middle class white “guns, god and gays” racists allied with standard issue upper middle class white suburban country clubbers who either can’t stand Obama’s being black or the idea that their taxes might go up a smidge.

E.g. Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck types.

2 – Non-insane moderate conservatives who while they might not have voted for him or like everything he does, have been pleasantly surprised at how conservatively he’s actually governed.

E.g. Olympia Snowe and David Brooks types.

3 – Center-right neoliberals and neocons who genuinely like his neoliberal economic and neoconservative military and national security policies and couldn’t have imagined a better president given their ideaologies and goals.

E.g. Chuck Schumer and Fred Hiatt types.

4 – Obamabots, for whom anything and everything he does is magic. No need to elaborate. They are functionally insane. Or paid shills.

E.g. Al Giordano and blackwaterdog types. (Interestingly, not many elected Dems are in this camp, that I can tell.)

5 – Genuine progressives, who while they like some of what he’s done, have generally been hugely disappointed at his unwillingness to fight for genuinely progressive policies like single payer or even a public option, and for his seemingly eager embrace of many neoliberal and neoconservative policies and ideas, like bailouts for banks without strings, taking it easy on BP, indefinite detention and “looking forward, not back”. These are people who stick to their principles and put them above partisan politics, and don’t cut Obama any slack just because he’s a Dem and supposedly on their side.

E.g. Bernie Sanders and Chris Bowers types.

I suppose that there’s a sixth group, the actual “far left”, who claim that Obama is essentially Bush, we need to primary Obama or vote third party, and that it’s best to let the current corrupt economic and political system come completely crashing down so that progressive and socialist heaven can rise magically from the ashes (never mind that this is clearly sociopathic and that a far more likely outcome is that fascist hell emeges, a la Italy and Germany in the 20’s and 30’s). Like teabaggers and Obamabots they are insane, but they are far fewer in number and political power, so they can be discounted for now.

The divide that Daou wrongly splits into two camps and that Chris tries to correct is actually three camps, namely 3, 4 and 5 above (with some spillover from 2 into 3):

Those who like Obama because he’s an actual neolib/neocon(3)

Those who love Obama because they believe he’s a real progressive (4)

Those who like/dislike Obama because he’s not a real progressive (5)

The middle, Obamabot group is useful to Obama because they now constitute the bulk of his rank and file supporters, people who’d gladly work 40-60+ hours a week to get him reelected, and spend a lot of time defending him online, mainly against the latter group. But like teabaggers and the far left, I view them as mostly noise, having precious little ideological, policy or political substance to add to the debate concerning Obama’s performance.

The real debate is between the first and third groups, the neolib/neocon supporters of Obama, and his progressive critics (but also occasional supporters on certain issues like Ledbetter or the $20B shakedown of BP). And each side is right in its like or dislike of Obama, based on what kind of president they’d hoped he’d be. The neolibs/neocons mostly like him because that’s how he’s mostly governed, and the progressives mostly dislike him because it’s not how he’s mostly governed.

And since there’s little debate to be had at this point as to whether he’s governed mostly as an actual neolib/neocon, or as a progressive who has been forced by political realities to govern as a neolib/neocon occasionally (it’s the former, in case anyone’s wondering), then the real debate within this debate is which way of governing is better for the country. So the debate over Obama is really a debate over ideology, policy and politics. And given the abysmal results of Obama’s policies to date, I think this is a pretty easy debate to settle.

Here’s a clue: Don’t bet on the neolibs/neocons.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


 
nice marginalization of real leftists (4.00 / 2)
#passthedamnbill am I right, fellows?

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Yeah, Naderites as SOOOOOOO reality-based (2.40 / 5)
People who continue to believe in third party candidates magically winning the presidency and that Obama = Bush don’t need to be marginalized, because they self-marginalize. EOM.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

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TR abuse (4.00 / 2)
You aren’t allowed to TR comments just because you don’t like or agree with them. RTFM.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

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maybe it's your dickish, dismissive tone (0.00 / 1)
perhaps

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Maybe you're thin-skinned (2.67 / 3)
and need to realize that this is a reality-based progressive site that doesn’t embrace right OR left-wing ponies?

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

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I wonder if you can show me these (0.00 / 0)
 rules for this site. I had never heard this before (that is why I rated your comment “troll”, but I might have been posting here mistakenly thinking this was an ”
“open” left site. But if I have been wrong and you show me the rules I will 1) change my rating and 2) get out of here.

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I never said this site doesn't ALLOW far left opinions (4.00 / 1)
I just said that it doesn’t EMBRACE them. The term “far left” has been co-opted by the center and right to marginalize mainstream liberals, progressives and even socialists, when it really should be reserved for actual far-lefties, such as communists, radical socialists and anarchists, and those who refuse to work within or with the existing political system, who have every right to their opinions, but who aren’t really a part of the mainstream left, of which this site is a part. Or have its top posters suddenly embraced Nader?

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

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Well, I'm A Radical Socialist (0.00 / 0)
And I wouldn’t even say that I’m all that patient.

I’ve just got a rather long time-horizon.

In the meantime, I’m into harm reduction.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"be excellent to each other" (4.00 / 2)
TRing for not trollish comments is NOT excellent. Apart from this, we had thpose discussions countless times, and it’s the consensus here that TRs are only for serious personal insults and such. NOT for showing that you disagree with an opinion. Actually, some users even have been banned here for TR abuse.

Really, Victor, your a regular here since a long time, did this really escape your attention?


[ Parent ]  
Actually it did. (4.00 / 1)
And I think the tone of Kovie’s comments well deserve some disapprobation. I use the recommend rating for comments that give me new insight and for which I agree strongly. I use the troll rating for comments like Kovie’s that are insulting in tone and content. I might have on occasion used the troll rating for something I strongly disagreed with. If there was a discussion of the rating system I probably did not see it (but I have to say I think it is the least significant aspect of posting here). I would also add that I think it is less personal than expressing directly my irritation with Kovie’s tone and his attitude (it might have missed your attention, but when Kovie says above:  

“I never said this site doesn’t ALLOW far left opinions I just said that it doesn’t EMBRACE them. The term “far left” has been co-opted by the center and right to marginalize mainstream liberals, progressives and even socialists, when it really should be reserved for actual far-lefties, such as communists, radical socialists and anarchists, and those who refuse to work within or with the existing political system, who have every right to their opinions, but who aren’t really a part of the mainstream left, of which this site is a part. Or have its top posters suddenly embraced Nader?”

it is a pretty disgusting comment. Am I supposed to thank him for ALLOWING me to express my “far left” opinions or apologize because expressing these far-left opinions has tarred his “mainstream left” positioning. In the comment he also continues to maintain his cop-role in maintaining what this site IS according to who the top posters are. That is not a position I can accept. We have enough cops in this society without Kovie. On the whole I am a little disappointed you can promote “be excellent to each other”, read Kovie’s comments, and then focus on my use of the troll rating. Are you really that tone-deaf?


[ Parent ]  
Kovie just voiced HIS view of the real "far left". No big deal. (0.00 / 0)
He didn’t force anyone to agree with him. YOUR mileage MAY vary, nobody will force you to accept Kovie’s point. So, sry, but I think you’re dramatizing this a bit.

[ Parent ]  
No big deal. (0.00 / 0)
I agree. What he did was no crime… he used harsher language than I care for, he tried to mark out the accepted limits of discussion. We all do that somewhat although the mainstream types get a bit fetishistic about it.  I am surprised you think rating someone a troll is a big deal.  I just used it to indicate he was being a bit of a schmuck. No need to make a big deal out of the whole thing.

[ Parent ]  
uh I didn't TR you (0.00 / 1)
but cry some more about it, it really contributes to the conversation

also I like how you defend against troll ratings while being utterly insulting and demeaning because people have political beliefs which you seem to cowardly to share


[ Parent ]  
I am a coward (4.00 / 2)
because I don’t share the political beliefs of people who live in fantasy worlds in which the US will someday be a socialist paradise, Obama = Bush, and third party presidential candidates have a viable chance of winning?

You, sir, have just self-marginalized.

This is too funny.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
enjoy settling for crumbs, pops (0.00 / 0)
and how dare the rest of us have an opinion/see that the DNC doesn’t give a shit about anyone to the left of George H.W. Bush

[ Parent ]  
How? (0.00 / 0)
Didn’t you answer this recemtly in a tweet about hubris, your only weakness?
😛

Only joking, I somewhat agree, the DNC doesn’t give a shit nowadays about anyone to the left of Obama. Well, why didn’t people protest when the Obama gang took control of that organisation out of the excellent hands of Howard Dean?


[ Parent ]  
I agree that the DNC doesn't give a shit (0.00 / 0)
about anyone to the left of Obama. But that doesn’t mean that everyone to his left is equally left, or equally ineffective in pushing progressive policies. Some are, some aren’t. The former mainly work within the system, the latter not. I was mocking the latter. Let’s not let the DNC define the left.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

[ Parent ]  
Ageism! (4.00 / 1)
And I’m actually not that old nor do I play the trumpet (well, I sorta kinda tried to take in up in college, with laughable results, because I really admired Armstrong).

Also, your comment is a non-sequitor, as nothing that I’ve written here indicates or implies that I approve of mainstream Democratic party policy, and it’s the height of absurdity to suggest, as you do (and to turn your silly GWB point on its head), that anyone to the political right of Nader is a DNC apologist.

Or is Bernie Sanders an Obamabot too?

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
Teabaggers Are NOT "lower middle class" (4.00 / 6)
Larry Bartells.  “What’s the Matter with What’s the Matter with Kansas?”  It’s five years old.  Read it already.

Aside from that, yes, it’s true that a lot of folks who are clearly not progressives have a stake in this fight.  But I’m specifically interested in progressivism much more than I am in Obama per se.  So distinguishing between the debate among progressives and the wider debate is important for my purposes here.

This doesn’t invalidate anything you say.  Indeed, it’s helpful to have you reminding folks in such detail about the other folks involved who don’t even pretend to be progressives.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]  
Obviously the core group of teabaggers (0.00 / 0)
are classic upper middle class low taxes, small government, anti-regulation white suburbanites. But they’ve managed to attract a lot of less well-off racist whites to their “cause”, just like Birchers, Goldwater, Nixon and Reagan. They are classic modern conservatives, a mix of rich white oligarchs and non-rich white racists and cultural conservatives, controlled by the former but certainly composed of the latter as well.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton

[ Parent ]  
I Repeat (0.00 / 0)
Read Bartells.


“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]  
Obama got the healthcare bill he wanted (4.00 / 3)
You say “true progressives” are “hugely disappointed at his unwillingness to fight for genuinely progressive policies like single payer or even a public option…”
Actually, Obama gave lip service to single payer and the public option while actively working to ensure their defeat.  (Read Glenn Greenwald on the subject, or Jon Walker at FDL)  The reason it took so long to get a bill through was that some in Congress and in the progressive media worked long and hard to keep the public option in play, and they might have had some success, if veal pen organizations hadn’t capitulated and give Obama cover to do what he wanted.
The reason Obama has gotten away with giving lip service (sometimes) to progressive goals, while working actively to undermine them, as with financial reform legislation, is because the veal pen and timid progressive bloggers, continue to be silent about Obama’s hypocrisy and outright lying, and masochistically bash “the extreme left” whenever they have the opportunity.
It’s fine to say that primarying Obama (which I support) and supporting a third party (which I do not, at least, yet) are unwise, it’s another thing to call the people who support these options as “insane.”  
But this disrespect for the so-called “far left” is what I’ve come to expect from people who know they are so brilliant that they, and they alone, know the best way forward in these fraught and dangerous times.

[ Parent ]  
While I CERTAINLY Agree With This In Part (0.00 / 0)
I think that it’s only part of the story.  Which is why I’ve devoted so much energy to laying out a variety of divides. The outright denial of Obama’s anti-progressive actions is a significant part of the mix, but by no means the whole story.

Indeed, the degree to which such topics are downplayed strongly suggests that outright rejection of progressive politics is not a viable strategy in general. So one needs to understand and criticize the Third Way neo-liberal project from both a good-faith and a bad-faith perspective.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]  
You completely misread my comment (4.00 / 2)
I’m bashing pony-chasing Naderites, i.e. people who wish to promote and advance perfectly laudable and very progressive policies like single payer, ending these wars, paring down the defense budget, and massive investment in clean energy and high-speed rail, by working outside the two-party political system, and believing that it can ever accomplish anything more that mildly pushing that system leftwar.

If pushing things incrementally leftward is their goal and they find that working outside the system is the best way for them to do it, then more power to them. But if they expect to actually accomplish these goals outside this system, then they are chasing ponies, and in many ways making it harder for the left to achieve progressive change, by splitting into warring factions based on relative “purity”.

Since you don’t seem to be familiar with my comment history here, I can assure you that I likely fully support the progressive policies that you support. Where we probably differ is on HOW to achieve these policies. And in case you haven’t noticed, this site is mainly run and participated in by people who choose to work within or at least with the political system, not outside of it, because that’s what works. I.e. what I’d call realists, not dreamers.

Also, it may shock you to know that I view Bernie Sanders and Russ Feingold as ideal lefty politicians, and when he was alive, Paul Wellstone. All of whom are well to the left of the left, but choose or chose to operate within the political system. It’s those who refuse to do so, operate outside it, bash it, and complain when nothing improves, that I have little respect for POLITICALLY.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
It remains to be seen if working within the Democratic Party will work, as you suggest (4.00 / 1)
I appreciate your reply, but you did not respond to my criticism of your ad hominem attack on those who work outside the two status-quo-revering corporatist parties.  That you label those who advocate a different approach “insane” is hyperbole, to say the least, and quite disrespectful to those of us who, having worked within the two-party straitjacket for most of our lives and are looking for other alternatives.
You seem to think that anything other than playing the same game, with the same unequal playing field and crooked refs, aka know as our two-party system makes someone mentally unbalanced.  This is an extreme view, to say the least. What do you have to show for your approach?  Isn’t insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?  Isn’t it time to at least consider other alternatives?
I am constantly reminded of the words of the late Howard Zinn, made in 2008, about his choice to vote for Nader rather than Obama.  In a letter to Nader he wrote:

“I still think that the electoral arena is one that saps our energy, and gets us nowhere. What you say about civic activity not having a chance to change policy is pessimistic and wrong, and if civic activity cannot be effective then electoral activity will be even less effective.
Civic activity is the only way things can change – you should know that better than anyone because you’ve been so good at it. Such activity affects public opinion which in the long run, when it becomes widespread enough, forces changes in policy. Electoral activity, in a managed political system when the candidacy of third party candidates can only show weakness, will not change public opinion. We are not in a Debs-era situation, when a powerful Socialist movement represented millions of people.”

He says, civic activity is the only way things can change.  Electoral activity will not change public opinion, and changing public opinion is crucial, never more so than now.  This is the area where I choose to act, and if that makes me “insane” so be it.


[ Parent ]  
Working within the political system (0.00 / 0)
to me means working within the political system that is currently dominated by both parties, but not necessarily belonging to either party (or, in the case of lefties, the dominant, centrist, corporatist wing of the Democratic party), let alone voting the party line. Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich are examples of such people, the first a socialist independant who caucuses with the Democratic party, the second a Democrat outright, but neither a mainstream corporatist Dem.

As opposed to someone like Nader, who might have similar values and want similar if not identical goals as these two, but who chooses to remain essentially outside the political system, and therefore has precious little to show for all his railing, politically.

As I said above, people like Nader might be most useful in keeping people who work within the political system more honest (well, those of them with consciences and spines, at least) and in slowly pushing the Overton Window left, both of which are absolutely important. But on a political level, people like him have been achieving absolutely nothing that I can see, at least for decades.

I was mocking people who don’t seem to understand that to achieve POLITICAL good (i.e. tangible policy reforms), you have to operate within or work with the political system, not outside it, where good things can still be and need to be achieved, but on a more ideological and non-political level.

Perhaps, instead of devoting most of his energy to showing that Gore, Kerry & Obama = Bush and trashing Dems who worked within the system, Nader could have accomplished actual political good by easing up on the rhetoric a bit and working within it to, as have Sanders and Kucinich. Or, he should have stayed on the outside and focused on meaningful long-term ideological change, or building an actual viable third party at the local level.

Which is sort of what Zinn said, as I understand it. He understood the relative futility of devoting finite resources to change within the electoral (what I call political) system, and that it’s a better use of progressive energy to focus on the civic level. But I’m guessing that he’d also say that if you are going to work on the electoral level, you have to work within the system, not outside it. I.e. be a radical within the Democratic party, like Kucinich (or the Democratic caucus, like Sanders).

Nader was a huge and admirable success at the “civic” level–i.e. consumer safety reform, and helping to build a progressive movement (which operates on far more than just the electoral level). He was a failure at the political level–i.e. he didn’t get elected, nor have any Greens at the national level, and he didn’t really move the two-party system any more leftward.

I admit to using over the top hyperbole sometimes. It’s my rhetorical style and sometimes people read too much into it. Perhaps it’s a New Yorker thing.

Also, I’m guessing that Zinn would have voted for Obama if his vote was the determining one in ’08, a la Hamilton supporting Jefferson in 1800 (but perhaps not QUITE as nose-holdingly). He voted for Nader to a large extent because in MA his vote didn’t matter. Lots of people did that in ’00 for Nader, who have said that they would have voted for Gore if it mattered.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
You assume that a vote that went to Nader would have gone (4.00 / 1)
to Gore. I wanted to vote for Nader but wound up voting for Gore, but this was not true for a large number of my friends, who would not have voted for Gore under any instance. You have to remember who Gore was before his loss. Although good on environmental issues, he was essentially a militant, Southern Dem. Furthermore, he was condemned as Clinton’s VP, and the left was still smarting from all the Repub policy passed in Clinton’s second term.

[ Parent ]  
I was a LOT more politically naive in '00 (4.00 / 1)
As were so many of us. So my opinion of the Gore of ’00 today is very difference from my opinion of Gore at the time (and, of course, the Gore of today is quite different from the Gore of ’00).

But that aside, a vote for Nader in ’00 in a non-contested state was essentially a symbolic vote (that also, IIRC, helped the Green party if it was able to receive a certain percentage of votes) that maybe helped advance the Green party but was electorally meaningless in that election.

While a vote for Nader in ’00 in a closely contested state was a self-evidently idiotic, self-destructive and pointless thing to do, IMO. Although this is far more obvious in hindsight, even at the time, it was clear to anyone living in reality that as bad as the Gore of ’00 was, the Bush of ’00 was vastly worse.

What did people who voted for Nader in closely contested states think would happen? If they thought that Nader could actually win the presidency, then they were literally insane. If they thought that Gore = Bush and that it didn’t really matter who won, then they were naive at best. And if they were actually hoping that Bush would win in a “Let’s get this self-destruction of the US over so we can build a progressive nirvana on its ruins” way, then they were loathsome.

People who claim that “The lesser of two evils is still evil” are out of touch with reality and have no concept of how progressive change happens–sometimes in leaps and bound, sometimes incrementally, and sometimes by merely preventing utter disaster while living to fight another day.

I have zero problem with having voted for Gore, Kerry and Obama even though none would have likely (or has) governed as I’d like, since there was no viable superior alternative in the general, the viable alternatives were unquestionably far worse, and it was worth it merely to prevent total disaster and keep things from sliding so far to the right that it would require vastly more effort to move things to the left again. And as you might know, I’m no Obamabot.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
This is conventional wisdom, but conventional wisdom is not always correct (4.00 / 1)
I’m not a Nader supporter, but the opinions that you express, that Nader did not work within the political system, is false.  Michael Smith wrote, back in 2004:

“The currently fashionable crackpot realism beneath all this is but the latest version of the quadrennial farce called electing a president. I must say that this year’s version is beyond the absurdist norm, what with so many progressives pronouncing Nader a strategic moron, a charge that is, of course, untrue…
“Hardly anyone seems to realize that politics is not purely utilitarian, nor would we like it if it could be. The 1943 Warsaw ghetto revolt was utterly pointless from a practical point of view. At the time, some 60,000 Jews were walled up there preparatory to being ‘cleared out’ and sent to concentration camps. Himmler expected it would take three days. Contrary to ‘realist’ expectations, the doomed Jews made a ‘pointless’ last stand from their fortified sewers, vaults, and cellars. With a handful of pistols and rifles, some homemade grenades, and a couple of dozen machine guns smuggled in, they held off the Nazi Army and Waffen SS troops for four weeks…. So far as I know, none dare call these Jews egomaniacs.
“So even if Nader were running simply on moral conviction, his campaign would be amply justified. But the fact is that he has also demonstrated considerable political savvy, which helped the Democrats in 2000, a fact they never bother to acknowledge and one most progressives decline to point out as well. The Green spillover vote that year got Maria Cantwell (D) elected to the Senate from Washington state and Debbie Stabenow from Michigan. Cantwell won only by a couple of hundred votes. That knotted the Senate at 50-50 Democrats vs. Republicans, so when James Jeffords abandoned the GOP to become an independent, the Democrats had the majority….
“If the Democrats had thrown Clinton out of office for lying under oath, as Nader favored at the time, Gore would have run as an incumbent in 2000, Bush’s theme of restoring integrity to the White House would have been weakened, and the race would not likely have come down to Florida at all. … If strategic thinking is being questioned here, it seems to me that Nader is doing a lot better than many of his critics.
“Nader showed he can not only criticize but also work with the Democratic Party by supporting Dennis Kucinich in the primaries…. Naturally, what we end up with is a Democratic Convention in which the overwhelming majority of the delegates are against the Iraq war while the standard bearer is in favor. This, in turn, is dutifully described in realist terms as unprecedented ‘unity.'”  


[ Parent ]  
Greens might have helped elect more and better Dems (0.00 / 0)
at the congressional, state and local level–and if they did more power to them, because these are the levels they should be focusing on right now–but Nader was running for president, not at those levels, and from what I remember was focused almost entirely on his Quixotic presidential run, which last time I checked not only didn’t move Dems to the left, but helped elect this guy named Bush.

Also, I resent anyone’s comparing Nader’s presidential run to the Warsaw ghetto uprising. That’s just execrable, Godwin in reverse. Those Jews (and I’m one, my own father’s family having been spared being shipped to concentration camps due to some unbelievably lucky circumstances) were about to be literally shipped off to their likely deaths, and really didn’t have much of a choice. Are you comparing Gore getting elected to that? That’s incredibly offensive.

Oh, and they STILL got killed. Not that what they did wasn’t honorable and right. But, again, they really had no viable and honorable alternative.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
No one can deny that Obama's appeasements to the right wing have failed. (4.00 / 5)
Not even the liberal Republicans have been willing to follow him.

The big question is: after all of these months of failure, has Obama learned? His lack of aggressivenes has functioned to throw the blame for lack of progress back on him, while people like Boehner are biding their time in suntan lounges waiting for the next election.  


 
Hopefully, My 2 PM Diary Will Shed Some Light On This (4.00 / 3)
It’s not about Obama specifically, it’s about an analysis from George Lakoff that gets at some deep-seated reasons that the Dems keep digging themselves into holes, and then try to solve it by digging even deeper.

Obama, I think, is just a really extreme example of the type.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]  
Obama as symptom, not cause (4.00 / 5)
At the rate he’s going, President Obama’s reluctance to tell the truth, let alone take action on its behalf, will eventually force him to sit down and have a beer with just about everybody in the whole damned country. Anheuser-Busch will no doubt be pleased (and it goes without saying that the rest of us can go fuck ourselves.)

Whatever you feel you have to say about the whys and wherefores of this late imperial spectacle, the spectacle itself will trump it. That’s what the legion of paparazzi and Sabbath gasbags is for, after all. This emperor has no clothes. Those who think they can see them need a psychiatrist, not a political analyst.

Finally, those who want to do something effective about the miserable state of current affairs will have to sweep away a lot more than one artfully dissembling President. Sad, but true….


 
For the sake of clarity (4.00 / 2)
Lest my comment be taken as a criticism of the diarist or any of the other commenters, maybe I should rephrase a part of it. How about:

Whatever we feel we have to say about the whys and wherefores of this late imperial spectacle, the spectacle itself will trump it.

There, that’s closer to what I meant, I think….


[ Parent ]  
Neoliberal policies are in many ways self-sustaining, in the sense (4.00 / 4)
that the vast majority of us are too freaking tired. We work harder and harder and get less for it, so who has the energy to interrogate a good salesman, a pleasant bit of distraction, and/or a dishonest media? I don’t know that most of us need a psychiatrist so much as a goddamned break, some legitimate bit of respite.  

[ Parent ]  
What's striking about talking to deeply emotionally invested Obama supporters (4.00 / 4)
that I speak to is how little they actually know about US history, and the sad thing is, just based upon somethings Obama himself has been quoted as saying~ I don’t think he has a good grasp of it either.

He is a child of the 1980 Presidential primaries and general election….he has accepted every supposed meme to come out of that election.

He has set the bar low because it now seems obvious that he never really wanted to repudiate Reagan’s legacy.

When I think of the opportunity he was given and what he has done with it….such a waste.

Love your diary.


 
Naomi Klein Nailed It (4.00 / 10)
when she wrote about Obama as an example of lifestyle marketing, like those commercials featuring shots of Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandella, intended to sell you a soft drink or a computer.

It was only a matter of time, she wrote, before such branding looped back onto the political realm.  And so you have a “political movement” that’s not about any issues, it’s about looking like a political movement.

And, of course, for those who don’t know any better, looking like a political movement makes it feel like a political movement.  And feeling like a political movement, well, that pretty much makes it a political movement.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]  
You just encapsulated the Obamabot movement (4.00 / 2)
People who believe in a beautiful and well-crafted illusion, for whom reality is just too difficult or painful or inconvenient to relate to.

Want more exciting friends who white water raft? Drink Mountain Dew!

Want to hang out with hot models? Shampoo with Fructis!

Want to be all about hope and change? Support Obama!

Want to actually make all these things happen? Um, get out more, become a skilled fashion photographer and study up on the actual issues. Too complicated? Ok, go back to the above brands.

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]  
So true, so sad for democracy n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]  
Why I continue to come to openleft (4.00 / 4)
are your diaries. I’m becoming very tired of the obamabot diaries over on dailykos.

 
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