Obama and the left, part 2,048

by: Mike Lux

Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 12:00


Cross-posted at Huffington Post

For reference, Obama and the left, part 432 can be found here

The progressive community and the Obama administration are once again in a firefight, this one started by White House spokesman Robert Gibbs. There has been and will be a huge amount of commentary on this in the blogosphere and the media in general over the next few days, and Gibbs’ quote will go right up there with the infamous “left of the left” quote during health care, Rahm’s infamous “f’ing retarded” quote (he apologized afterwards to advocates for those with mental disabilities, but of course not to progressives), the locker room gloating “organized labor just flushed $10 million down the toilet” quote, and a variety of other random insults that progressives have to chew over.

Thankfully, Gibbs has released a statement pulling back from that interview, and I am assured by friends at the White House that this is just “Robert being in a bad mood”, etc. Happy to hear it, and I am willing to give the White House the benefit of the doubt (which I know may not be very popular among many folks in progressiveland). I also am happy to give this Administration credit where credit is due, and they do actually deserve some.

Given the economic straits we are in, the stimulus was too small, and had too many tax cuts in it, but it is still the biggest jobs bill in American history, and the biggest investment in public goods (schools, teachers, roads, bridges, clean energy, firefighters, cops, broadband, etc.). The health care bill had big flaws, including the lack of a public option, but Obama succeeded at extending coverage to virtually everyone and reining in major insurance abuses (on pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, etc.) when every other President before for a hundred years had failed. The financial reform bill didn’t break up the banks, but we won very significant victories in reining in the financial sector, and went the right direction on financial regulation instead of the wrong direction as we did in the last four Presidents’ tenures. The federal budgets Obama submitted have been the most progressive in many way s at least since 1993, and maybe since the 1960s. We won a major victory on, and expansion of, the student loan program for college students. Tobacco is regulated by the FDA for the first time. The equal pay law got passed, S-CHIP got expanded, the hate crimes bill got signed, unneeded weapons systems got eliminated. And Obama has at least pushed for other big legislation on climate change, immigration reform, and more jobs programs, even if he didn’t succeed at everything.

It hasn’t all been perfect, far from it, but Obama deserves enormous credit for wading into these big fights, and with persevering on some of the toughest, like health care (where his chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel wanted him to back down and give up.) If I were in the Obama White House, I might be feeling a little irritable myself at the lack of credit I was getting.

Were you waiting for the “but”? Well, you can find it in the extended entry.

Mike Lux :: Obama and the left, part 2,048
But here’s the thing, folks at the White House: your strategy for getting the credit you think you deserve sucks. It’s not working, and bitching about the fact that people don’t give you enough credit is not going to get them to give you more.

I may be wrong, I hope I am wrong, but as far as I can tell, the White House right now has very little in the way of strategy for reaching out to the progressive community. Beyond meeting regularly with some of the big DC groups (meetings that have been described to me by a White House ally as pretty much being “one way communication” from the White House to the groups), I know of no consistent high level outreach to the broad progressive community. My guess is that it’s because they don’t think they need to, that as Gibbs indicated, they don’t feel they need the groups or the blogs or progressive media or the “progressive left”, in Gibbs’ delightful phrase, to reach progressive voters.

Maybe. But it’s a pretty huge gamble. The Obama team forgets that once the primary was over in 2008, the folks in the blogosphere and all the progressive groups were pretty united on helping Obama win the election. A pretty sizable share of the 13 million people on the Obama e-mail list were also reading blogs, getting e-mails from MoveOn.org or phone/mail from unions and other groups. Everyone had the same goal of defeating McCain and other right-wing Republicans, and we were all reinforcing (for the most part) what the campaign was doing and saying.

That sense of teamwork is pretty well gone, blown apart not only because of some policy decisions many progressives disagreed with, and not just by the series of insulting comments I spelled out in the first paragraph, but by a serious lack of outreach as well. The result is that Obama gets a steady stream of criticism from Markos, Arianna, Rachel, and many of the rest of us, and when good things happen, they rarely get played up positively as well as they should. I think that is one of the big reasons why online giving has been fairly weak on the Obama list (a person with knowledge of the list told me that the fundraising trend off their email list was “extremely worrisome”), why volunteer recruitment has been down, and why Democratic voter enthusiasm in the polling as been so consistently weak (obviously the bad economy has a lot to do with that as well, but don’t discount the bad relationship with progressive media and institutions).

Here’s the thing that drives me most crazy, though: the only thing making the Obama White House take the huge gamble of not reaching out to the professional left is their own arrogance. Engaging the “professional left” would be easy to do if they cared about it at all, and had a strategy to do it. In the Clinton White House, that presidency of NAFTA, failed health care, the 1994 election fiasco, and “triangulation”, the progressive community- the professional left as well as progressive voters- progressives never deserted Clinton. Through his two elections, special prosecutors, the Lewinsky mess and impeachment, the Democratic base stayed loyal to and enthusiastic about Bill Clinton (even when he didn’t always deserve it). Why? Because Bill Clinton cared about having a good relationship with progressives, and because we had a strategy for working effectively with them. President Clinton frequently asked me about who was happy with us and who was disgruntled in the progressive world, and we made sure to bring in everyone in the latter category for meetings and social events at the White House. At the height of the NAFTA fight, we organized a dinner for labor leaders where the President hung out with them for a long, social evening, telling them in his remarks “I know we are in a fight right now, but I want you to know that my White House will always be your house too, that we always will be friends.” We made sure progressives always had chances to have serious input into policy development. Whenever we had bad news to deliver to progressive groups on any issue big or small, we reached out to them before the announcement, talked about how to make the damage hurt less, and talked about what we could do to help them on other issues. And whenever there was good news, we made sure the folks who cared about it were part of the celebration.

Here’s the other thing: other Democratic politicians in 2010 get the need to work effectively with progressives. I have had my share of disagreements with Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid, but they and their staff have never failed to work constructively and conscientiously with me and other progressives I know. This is politics 101 as far as I am concerned, but to my knowledge, this White House isn’t engaging in much of it. I am on the board of many different progressives groups, and know a wide assortment of folks in the blogosphere, in organizations, in the progressive donor world, on Capitol Hill, and I rarely hear about any kind of high-level outreach of this sort going on. One other important point on all this: what worries me the most is that I am as insider-y as a person can get. I have known Rahm for 30 years, Axelrod and Plouffe for over 20. I have been a client of Jim Margolis, Anita Dunn, and Axelrod’s firms. I was a co-founder of Strategy Group, the Chicago based firm that was one of the closest inner circle firms in the Obama Presidential campaign. I have worked in the White House, and I even worked on the Obama transition. I am one of the professional left (not at all the only one, by the way) who, in spite of my disappointments with some of the compromises made, ended up supporting, enthusiastically working for, and praising Obama on all those initiatives mentioned above. Now I know that some folks in the White House are mad at me and have shut me out because I have been critical at times of this White House, but I still have to think: if the relationship with the “professional left” is as shaky as it is, and someone like me is not being reached out to much or asked to help, what about all those bloggers and progressive media people and organizations who don’t have much in the way of inside connections? It worries the hell out of me, and it ought to be worrying the White House.

Gibbs’ statement has caused a flurry of damage control, just as all the other statements in paragraph one did. But it’s not enough: this White House has to do a better job of working constructively, every single day, with progressives. The White House should be in genuine partnership with the progressive community. That doesn’t mean agreeing on every issue, and it doesn’t mean avoiding some frank conversations behind the scenes where voices get raised back and forth. But progressives, including the “professional left” would be a lot more loyal and enthusiastic, a lot more willing to give credit where credit is due, if they felt like the White House cared what they thought.

Our job as progressives is to never be satisfied, to always be impatient with the pace of change. Frederick Douglass, Alice Paul, Walter Reuther, Martin Luther King, Jr.- none of them were ever satisfied with the progress being made, and the Presidents they worked with were constantly aggravated at the pressure they received. But big changes got done when Presidents understood the importance of working effectively with them and the movements they represented. It is time for Obama (and his staff) to understand this and make the effort. Even when we are being irritating, even when you think we are being unfair, the White House needs to reach out their hand to progressives and work with us instead of venting about us to the media. FDR understood that and got re-elected by landslides with enthusiastic base support in the toughest of times. LBJ understood that in 1964, got re-elected in a landslide with progressives happily behind him, but then forgot it and let Vietnam break his party in the ’68 election. Bill Clinton understood that, avoided a primary in tough political circumstances, and won re-election easily with a pumped up progressive community strongly behind him. I hope President Obama comes to understand that it is your base, including the professional left, that can sustain you in tough economic and political times, but that you need to reach out to them rather than complain about them.  


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Sorry (4.00 / 13)
They ceased to deserve the benefit of the doubt a LONG time back. They are completely incompetent and/or playing for the other team. As depressing as that is to contemplate, it’s always better to deal with reality than to retreat to pleasant fantasies.

 
Listening vs. Telling (4.00 / 15)
I agree with you Mike on the need for this administration to work with progressives as it seems too often their idea of working together is to tell progressives what to do (donate, canvass, talk up their successes, fall in line, etc.) but to rarely to they want to have a dialog and listen. This would be acceptable if the “professional left” wasn’t so often correct, and didn’t describe in great detail, in advance, publicly, they way the administration’s bending over backwards to please the Republican minority would end up coming back to bite them in the ass. But we did, and what many in the left have written extensively has come to fruition.

Yet Gibb’s statements reveal a deeper undercurrent that is offensive and shows a level of contempt that frankly is far from being deserved. It baffles me how this is even acceptable to this administration. We knew of Rahm’s contempt for progressives, but his attitude seems to extend to (or influence) wider beliefs of this  administration. It is unacceptable and in need of change.

A deep part of genuinely respecting a person or group is being willing to actively dialogue with them. Listening to them. Taking action on their proposals and strategies. Extending trust.

Trust is earned. It is earned through many things that the “professional left” has done. Lord knows we’re love to discuss policy and strategy.  To not have trust extended when we have been so open to it, and so often correct in our assessments (there’s a public record that is very clear) and then to actively be insulted repeatedly undermines the trust needed to sustain enthusiasm; to recognize successes; to continue to hope for real change.

Without respect, there can be no trust; no support; no hope. Without trust there is just cynicism. We’ve had enough of that.

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Is it all just because of ego, then? (4.00 / 6)
That’s what makes me most berserk. I don’t see what they gain. I mean, if they were alienating the ‘professional left’ and making huge strikes with moderates, at least I could understand it. Or if treating the left well was hugely costly, and they didn’t want to pay the price.

But it’s cheap and easy. Is it just what digby said: the Republicans fear their base, while the Democrats hate theirs.


 
Sorry, Mike… (3.33 / 6)
Do you read what you write before you publish it?

You sound as out-of-touch as the Obama administration. You’ve been apologizing for their failures since they took office.

In short, you haven’t been with progressives. Ever…as far as I can tell. You know nothing about “communicating” with us. Former Clinton staffer. You’re not a progressive. At all. You never will be. Check with Bowers; he can explain it to you. Get a clue.


 
I was at one point lectured by Gray (4.00 / 3)
as to the sacred meaning of the “Troll” rating. Perhaps we can all use a refresher course. What is the deep and mystical meaning of the Troll rating? (FWIW…I am strongly in favor of using it as here as a signal of strong disagreement. But for the life of me I cannot understand how Syrith or anyone else can genuinely view the post by ThirdCoast here as worthy of the Troll rating. Maybe he meant “Recommended” as I did.

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Only Syrith can respond as to why… (4.00 / 1)
… but, there is always the chance that it was a user-interface error as you allow.  I find the tone harsh, maybe unnecessarily so, but I wouldn’t be inclined to troll rate anger born of an honest frustration.

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the harshness is called for (0.00 / 0)
our intelligence is being insulted a bit, here

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And I apologize… (4.00 / 1)
…for the tone of my post. I won’t make excuses. Though I’ve got a few, just being angry at the number of posts I’ve read in the past 24 hours defending Gibbs and berating others that refuse to STFU and clap louder isn’t a good reason to angrily dismiss Lux’s post here (I first saw it on the front page of HuffPo).

So, I apologize. To Syrith most of all. And sorry anyone else had to get involved….


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No need to apologize to me (4.00 / 1)
I read lots harsher stuff directed at at Greenwald all the time … and you failed to include even one four-letter ad hom!  Put the emphasis on maybe unnecessarily…  It really wasn’t that bad.  And, as I said, it felt honest.  Obama may not be honest with us, but we do need to be honest with each other.

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Yup. That bug hasn't been repaired yet. (0.00 / 0)
Still only takes an accidentally tap on an arrow key to change the rating…

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Oops. Didn't know I leave such an impact! (4.00 / 1)
Hehe, thx Victor (hmm, btw, that’s what the V stands for?), for remembering that. Well, I can only once more point out that the troll rating is used differently than at DKos here. The vast majority only uses it to flag personal insults, trolling the thread with the same comment, spam, or really intolerable hatespeech. And it makes sense not to use the TR feature as a means of expressing disagreement, because it only takes two TRs to make a posting hidden for readers that aren’t users here. And that treshold is very easy to pass, and would resault in merely unpopular opinions to become supressed. Afaics, most here at OL don’t want that, but support the open discussions possible here.

However, I agree, a new rating to express mere disagreement would be nice. How about adding a “1” to the drop down field?  


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"Didn't know I leave such an impact!" You do. (0.00 / 0)
I am strongly in favor of the idea of using 1 as “strong disagreement”. As i told you when we discussed this, I have never really used the Troll rating except to register strong disapproval. Genuine Trolls I ignore and do not rate. (Of course the V is a reference to Casablanca. I have used this for a long time now maybe 10 years and that is perhaps too long to change even it it feels a bit pretentious. I prefer the title character in an old amazing and wonderful Italian film “General della Rovere” which I recommend to any or all. I wouldn’t mind hearing from those who have seen it and had some reactions).

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Hidden messages (4.00 / 2)
Two troll ratings will hide the comment, unless someone else marks it up.  This site really doesn’t have anything implemented that is designed to downrate a comment.

I agree generically with the idea of marking disapproval, but this site is currently designed that way.  A “1” rating would be nice.


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I'm not in favor of a 1 rating (4.00 / 4)
If you strongly disagree with someone, then add to the discussion by voicing what you disagree with and why in a reply.  Or, if someone has already done so, you can rate their reply as a 4 to avoid redundancy.

I don’t think it improves debate if you start allowing people to vote no without encouraging them to offer an alternative.

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Hmm, ok, that's a point (4.00 / 1)
Of course, its much more preferrable to weigh in with a comment, pointing out what exactly you don’t like about a posting. This will help identifiying controversial issues, and adbvance the debate about them. Totally agree.

However, while a D(isagree) rating may not really improve the discussions, I guess that it for many it will still be a welcome way of venting. And if that results in less TR abuse, I still think that may be a good idea. On the other hand, we haven’t had much problems with misuse of the TR feature recently, thx to everybody, and so this may be like a solution in search of a problem…

Imho overhauling the QH system, making comments show up in the personal pages, and allowing to rate them, should have a higher priority. Well, I’m not holding my breath…


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Progressivism. (4.00 / 7)
If you limit your definition of progressive to only folks who agree with you on everything, tactically and substantively, then I guess I don’t qualify. I am just sorry you want to limit your movement to so tiny a group, but that is your call.
If the fact that I worked for a Democrat in fighting against the first Bush, Gingrich, and Dole disqualifies me from wearing the label, I guess it is official.
There is no hagiography here of Clinton. I know from up close and inside the mistakes he made. I fought from the inside against NAFTA, the financial dereg, and other bullshit, and have never once tried to defend them.

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So a progressive is anyone who declares themselves such? Awesome. (4.00 / 1)
Also for every “fight” with Dole and Gingrich there were two back room deals cut with them.  Welfare queens and all that.

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That's just really dumb. (0.00 / 0)


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Good post, Mike. (4.00 / 7)
I think it may be too late.  I hope not.

Nominating Liz Warren would be a good message.

I hope President Obama comes to understand that it is your base, including the professional left, that can sustain you in tough economic and political times, but that you need to reach out to them rather than complain about them.  

After 1 year and 8 months, my hope is limited.  


 
A Reservation (4.00 / 8)
I’m glad for the “insider-y” input, but I have to say the problem goes deeper than that. For all of the successes Obama has had, they have all been essentially incremental. The feeling of a lot of us (including me, who has worked in the legislature) is that the entire Democratic leadership – not just Obama – failed to make the most of our political opportunity. We’ve waited for decades for a non-Southern-dominated Congress and a moderate-to-liberal President, for the Republicans to be discredited – and THIS is the best we can do? We say precisely the same thing in the Clinton administration – where big Democratic majorities resulted in compromised initiatives. Yes, we all rallied to Clinton in 1995-1996 – but that wasn’t because we liked or trusted him, but because we hated Newt Gingrich. For me and a lot of other people the 2008 Democratic Primaries were about putting an end to the Clinton-era in the Democratic Party, and instead we got—- Bill Clinton’s 3rd term. Or rather a reprise of his first term, only I’m not so convinced that the economy will revive sufficiently to win him re-election. So it’s more than communication. There’s a great deal of disappointment among the activist base. We expected 1965 and we got 1993.  

 
Here's a suggestion for how to "reach out" to progressives (4.00 / 10)
Just a wild, crazy, out of left field idea:

Try to actually govern progressively, stop trying to pander to tea partiers, Repubs, ConservaDems and corporate lobbyists, and stop bashing and mocking the left, your ONLY potential true friend.

Yeah, I know, sheer lunacy. Where are my meds…

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything…Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture” — Alexander Hamilton


 
Two thoughts (4.00 / 25)
I’m not a part of the “professional left,” and since I’m not even a registered Democrat there are some who would say I’m not even on the left.  I, however, am not confused.  I am a liberal; of a dyed-in-the-wool stripe.

(1)  I am reaching the point where I no longer feel dismissed, overlooked, or neglected by Obama.  I am beginning to feel oppressed by Obama.  If the civil liberties issues weren’t enough, if the decimated economy weren’t enough, if the unemployment numbers weren’t enough, if the follies in the middle east weren’t enough, if the dismissal/exit of decent people from Obama’s administration weren’t enough, if the tone deaf rank stupidity of Obama’s “insiders” weren’t enough, if Obama’s budget for the military weren’t enough, if the Cat Food Commission weren’t enough… it’s like one more bit of lunacy out of this administration and not only will I not see them as blundering but benign, but I will come to see them as an enemy of the American people in the same way I viewed Bush as an enemy of the people.  And, messages evolving from some effort of meet and greet schmoozing will not cut it for me as a, typically, reliable progressive voter.  If Obama’s reaching out is anything less than an admission that he’s off track and seeking a way to get back on track, I’d be a lot more inclined to bite that hand than shake it.

(2)  Harry Truman has a bit of advice for Obama.

I’ve seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn’t believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don’t want a phony Democrat. If it’s a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don’t want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign. – Harry Truman; Address at the National Convention Banquet of the Americans for Democratic Action (May 17, 1952)



 
Clinton (4.00 / 4)
In the Clinton White House, that presidency of NAFTA, failed health care, the 1994 election fiasco, and “triangulation”, the progressive community- the professional left as well as progressive voters- progressives never deserted Clinton.

Sorry Mike, but this does not stand up to reality at all.  For one, the “professional left” is relatively new.  The progressive infrastructure of today didn’t exist back in the 90’s.  For the most part, Obama hasn’t lost the traditional special interest groups, either.  But Clinton never had to deal with the blogosphere.

There was also this guy called Ralph Nadar and the Green Party, if you’ll remember.  That was in response to Clinton.

Also, you were inside the Clinton White House but outside of Obama’s.  I think that changes your perspective a bit.


 
professional left (4.00 / 1)
I don’t agree. There have been thousands of full time progressive leaders and staffers in DC and elsewhere from the 1960s on. Mostly they have worked for labor or other activist groups, some for progressive media like The Nation or Mother Jones, some for think tanks and research groups.

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As I said (4.00 / 1)
Obama still has most of those groups, just like Clinton did.  Those were not the ones Gibbs was complaining about.  Since Gibbs used the term “professional left” and wasn’t talking about those groups, then he must be talking about the new stuff.

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I am quite curious. (4.00 / 2)
You seem to be indicating here that Gibbs was talking precisely differentiating the “professional left” from the rest of the left. But Gibbs says he spoke “inartfully”. And Mike Lux says Gibbs attack was just “Robert having a bad day”. Previous attacks as Mike has pointed out did not pinpoint the “professional left” but did include the”left of the left” and the fucking retards of the left as well as well as insubordinate organized labor. Just why are you accepting that he spoke with perfect precision about the professional left here when his walk-back (certainly not an APOLOGY if we are using words with any care for their actual meaning) indicated he got mad at some right wing cable show and therefore he felt compelled in his frustration to attack the left. Why do you buy this bullshit. i see no reason to facilitate what seems to be transparent dishonesty. And you seem to be too bright to be taken in by this as well. My take is that he was complaining about the left generally because he and Obama despise the left, and more particularly about any part of the left that is critical because no one on the left has the right to criticize.

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Differentiating (0.00 / 0)
I think Gibbs was complaining about those that were complaining.  I don’t think he was complaining about those that still tow the Obama line.

You don’t actually disagree with that, do you???

Now, I may be wrong about who is complaining these days.  I fully admit I’m going by what I’ve noticed, not any research.

But it seems to me that even the slightest peep from the old lefty organizations are quickly backtracked.  Thus, they are not the ones Gibbs is complaining about.


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You don't actually disagree with that, do you??? (0.00 / 0)
No, not at all. I just think he differentiates by tacking on a convenient non-descriptive, adjective of opprobrium. I don’t think talking about the “professional left” is any more descriptive than the “loony left” or the “angry left”. As you seem to say, the “professional left” are the loonies who don’t genuflect before the Obama.

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My main point: Clinton (4.00 / 1)
My point was never to make excuses about Gibbs; it never even occurred to me it could be interpreted that way.  My point was to not let Clinton off the hook compared to Obama.  Mike claimed Clinton didn’t have these problems.  My thesis is the difference isn’t between Clinton and Obama, but the rise of the new left.

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sorry if I misunderstood. (0.00 / 0)
I’ll gop back and reread.

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Liberals were very upset with Clinton (4.00 / 1)
In fact, isn’t that precisely one of the reasons why Democrats suffered such huge losses in 1994?

Then scary Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole came back, and liberals were scared/extorted/bullied into sticking with Clinton in 1996 and giving him an utterly unproductive second term.

History seems destined to repeat itself…


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[insert a sardonic laugh here] (4.00 / 10)
I meant to highlight this:

One other important point on all this: what worries me the most is that I am as insider-y as a person can get. […] Now I know that some folks in the White House are mad at me and have shut me out […] but I still have to think: if the relationship with the “professional left” is as shaky as it is, and someone like me is not being reached out to much or asked to help, what about all those bloggers and progressive media people and organizations who don’t have much in the way of inside connections? It worries the hell out of me, and it ought to be worrying the White House.

Precisely.  And, as generous, understanding, sympathetic and accommodating as you have been… Well.  That really tells me all I need to know about where my issues and concerns sit with this White House group.  I’m priority number 100 on a list that stops at 99.  


 
"and I am assured by friends at the White House" (4.00 / 1)
Who?  This anonymous source shit is garbage.  If the White House is so concerned with not pissing off the left, why would they demand anonymity in walking back Gibbs’ moment of honesty?

Oh, but that is a nice hagiography of Clinton.  Whitewashing history will surely make the future a brighter place.  Clinton avoided a primary because both major parties have “gentleman’s agreements” in place that prevent serious primary challenges from within the party.  The last serious primary threat to a sitting president was Kennedy in 79.  The year I was born, to put it in perspective.

Also, tipping us off that you’re on first name terms with President Rahm kind of takes away your credibility when it comes to speaking for progressives.  Emmanuel is many, many things, but “progressive” ain’t one of them.


 
Primaries, and insiders (4.00 / 5)
You are dead wrong re primaries, there is nor genetleman’s agreement. Bush 1 got a big challenge from crazy Pat in ’92, and Clinton came within a whisker of being challenged by Gephardt is ’96.
Re the insider stuff: when Chris, Matt, and I started Openleft a few years back, one of our goals was to have their more outsider voice contrast with my insider experience and knowledge. I don’t care if that isn’t interesting to you, but if it is not, I would suggest you don’t frustrate yourself by reading me.
Yes, I know Rahm. I also know Rubin and Summers and Ben Nelson and Al From and all kinds of other conservative Dems. I don’t agree with them very much, but I do know them.  I didn’t know that actually knowing people disqualified one from being a progressive.

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still didn't address the issue of anonymous sources for no reason (0.00 / 0)
Also Buchanan wasn’t a serious mathematical challenge to Bush.  I was unaware of Gephardt, but I have to assume that was a challenge from the right, right?

The insider stuff is fine, but not when arcane half-truths are thrown around from mysterious “people” and “they” sources.  The real issue isn’t that you KNOW these people, it’s that you appear to be pretty chummy with them and have no interest in challenging their conventional wisdom.

Also, you just reminded me, I really miss Matt.  And the Chris from like 2 years ago, for that matter.


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Yes, maybe you should leave (0.00 / 1)
You seem to be critical of everything that goes on here. I can’t remember a comment from you that doesn’t consist primarily of criticism. Maybe it is time for you to go somewhere else where things are more to your liking. Or maybe you should start your own blog.

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Ah, putting the "Open" into "Open Left"! (4.00 / 3)


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still didn't address the issue of anonymous sources for no reason (0.00 / 0)
Also Buchanan wasn’t a serious mathematical challenge to Bush.  I was unaware of Gephardt, but I have to assume that was a challenge from the right, right?

The insider stuff is fine, but not when arcane half-truths are thrown around from mysterious “people” and “they” sources.  The real issue isn’t that you KNOW these people, it’s that you appear to be pretty chummy with them and have no interest in challenging their conventional wisdom.

Also, you just reminded me, I really miss Matt.  And the Chris from like 2 years ago, for that matter.


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Buchanan (4.00 / 2)
Buchanan held Bush to 53% in NH and more importantly forced him to make the (read my lips) no new taxes pledge that played a big part in making him look like a fool to the American public.  Wikipedia says that ,
For only the third time in the 20th century, after the elctions of 1912 and 1976, a sitting Republican president was seriously challenged for the nomination.

I might add that all three of those Presidents won renomination and lost the general election.


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New Hampshire is a phony bellweather (0.00 / 0)
there’s like 10 people there and they hate everything

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GOP nomination (4.00 / 1)
Historically, NH has been a great predictor for the Republican nomination.  Between 1952 and 1992, the state correctly chose 9 out of ten Republican nominees.  Its one pick that failed:  Henry Cabot Lodge in 1964 over eventual disastrous nominee Barry Goldwater.  The contrast in that period with Iowa is striking.  NH rescued Reagan in 1980 after he lost in Iowa.  It rescued George W. Bush  in 1988 after an Iowa loss.  More recently, it rescued John McCain in 2008 after a poor Iowa showing.  Its two recent “mistakes” were picking McCain over W in 2000 and Buchanan over Dole in 1996.  Overall, NH is 11 for 14 for the 1952 through 2008 period.

The Presidential primary gets a heavy vote, much higher than Iowa’s caucus.  About 200,000 people voted in the 2008 NH Republican primary.


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Primaries (0.00 / 0)
I tried looking up Gephardt’s potential primary challenge in 1996 and found nothing.  Do you have a link?

In any case, serious primary challenges to sitting Presidents are very rare, successful ones even less so.  I’d wholeheartedly welcome a leftist primary challenge to President Obama in 2012, but will it happen?  Who would even consider it?


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Mike Lux has been selling the line that (4.00 / 13)
Obama needs the Progressive left and the Progressive left needs Obama for a long time. What seems clear to me is that whether Obama needs the left or not, his Administration loathes the left and in fact has regularly embraced attacks on the left to position itself and the Democratic Party ever rightward. Bowers in a famous post a year ago or so expressed the opinion that Obama “had won the argument with self-styled “progressive bloggers”. I never understood that thought because  there never was an argument; there never was a discussion; Obama alluded to Lincoln’s “Team of Rivals” but kept the left off the team as if it played no role in the Democratic coalition…not just the far loony angry left but the near left too, liberals and progressives alike,  liberal labor unions, the environmentalists, the peace movement. Just because Bowers and Markos and Digby and Marshall acceded to Obama without a murmur does not mean Obama “won” the argument. What we have seen from day one is just how much this administration loathes the left and progressive policy.

I wish we would all stop pretending the Emperor is wearing fine clothes and if we were just bright enough and good enough we would see the finery in all their splendor. The Obama administration represents the cvorporate power in America, more effectively than the Republicans, because with all their demagoguery about protecting the “little man” they keep schnooks from the left in line and neutered. By almost any misery index, the Obama administration has seriously worsened ordinary people’s quality of life. They have sowed misery and hatred in their war policies. They have abused civil liberties and human rights. They have reneged on almost every campaign promise. They have no interest in improving the quality of people’s lives if that goal at all is at odds with the goals of corporate powers.

Acting as if the left has a stake in this administration when our goals are fundamentally antagonistic is doing people a very very serious disservice. Obamaism is a failure; it is antagonistic to the left and its aspirations; if we do not recognize this and treat this administration and its supporters as enemies we gain ownership for all its failure for common people and still get the loathing and hatred of the elite class. Really why do we need this?


 
Control Freaks and Lies (4.00 / 8)
I’d point out two things. While Obama was elected by a broad set of groups and individuals who pulled together online and in the real world, once the election was over I got the distinct impression that this effort became Obama, Inc. That they wanted to control the message and their list 100%. Fine. The problem with this control freak approach, however, is that individuals own their voices and their votes. We’re not employees in a corporation. If some of us choose to work through Move On, for example, we shouldn’t have our work discounted or ignored because it didn’t go through Obama, Inc. An inclusive approach that respects the right of individuals to organize how they want to organize was a critical piece missing from the start of this Administration. (BTW control freaks always fail, guaranteed.)

Second, the flat out lie that the public option was on the table after it apparently had been nixed by Obama, sold to gain concessions, followed by an acknowledgement of the lie, and more statements that Obama supported the public option while refusing to twist arms to get it, that was embarrassing and juvenile. Real people who are not afraid of their shadows stand up for what they believe in and take the heat. To be caught in a lie, then pretend to be for something, no one respects that sort of leader.

My hunch, Mike, is that as you point out this Administration has some critical failings that it may or may not recover from. And I also want to thank you for taking this side of the argument. I don’t entirely agree but it’s good to have someone argue the counter position from time to time. Even if it makes you a pinata.


 
I think this is spot on (4.00 / 2)
“While Obama was elected by a broad set of groups and individuals who pulled together online and in the real world, once the election was over I got the distinct impression that this effort became Obama, Inc. That they wanted to control the message and their list 100%.”

What Gibbs is mostly lamenting is that those people who he assumed that he “speaks for” are failing to reflect back what he expects. He is forgetting that he never controlled them in the first place. This is classic top-down organizational thinking — not just from corporations but organizations of all kinds.


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Face it (4.00 / 2)
Let’s face it:  If Gibbs helped to derail Howard Dean’s campaign, he clearly doesn’t like–or want to speak for–the Left.

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Percepeption vs. reality (0.00 / 0)
I have no doubt in my mind that Gibbs feels that he is a spokesperson for the appropriate and intelligent left. He really doesn’t see that he is countering people who really want to get things done. It’s a matter of his identity.

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So, how do "we" get him to wise up? (0.00 / 0)
I really don’t care about how Gibbs “feels” about himself. If he doesn’t notice that his actions and words are “countering people who really want to get things done” – how do “we” get him to realize that he is wrong? Of course, he won’t listen to any reasonable argument because drug addled DFHs just don’t count in his world.

This has been an issue for some time – I mean, how could one possibly “counter” Howard Dean and NOT realize that he and his supporters were intent on “getting things done”?

I suggest an alternative explanation. Folks like Gibbs and those for whom he works know quite well that those they “counter” fully intend to get things done. However, what they intend to get done is not what Gibbs and his buds want to see accomplished.

Opposing the left within the Democratic party is not a mistake, or an abberation. Its the nature of the beast.


“It sounds wrong…
     …but its right.”


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"Its the nature of the beast." (0.00 / 0)
Absolutely! And if I implied otherwise, please forgive me. I think what we may be arguing about is what the exact “nature” is. I’ve suggested that it is about identity. Your position seems to be that it is far more sinister. I can’t say you’re wrong.

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Geting him and his ilk to "wise up" (4.00 / 2)
That’s the far tougher issue — especially if my suggestion is correct that it is a matter of identity. You can argue till you’re blue in the face and even defeat them in the ballot box and they still won’t give up the opinions that they’ve inherited from their elite strata in society. If you’re correct that the motivations arise from real struggles for power, the answer is simpler: you defeat them.

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There's an Alternate Leadership Model (4.00 / 2)
As Mike points out with Bill Clinton, a politician can deliberately engage and harness individuals and groups whose interests and needs converge and diverge. Perhaps this inclusive leadership style is rare. But it is the only leadership model that works well over time. All top down management eventually fails because, among other reasons, it fails to harness forces that can destroy their control. It’s like riding a tiger.

My hunch is this Administration has fairly weak leadership skills, and some weak political skills (if in fact the President is a progressive). My take is that, instead, the President approves of what he has achieved and feels no need to replace Emmanuel, Summers, Geithner, and others.


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Yes, the inclusive approach is extremely rare. (4.00 / 1)
In my experience in advising organizations, for the most part leadership develops a command and control mentality. I don’t care how “progressive” the cause is. And when you’re in that mode, everything that doesn’t look like what you expect to hear from your constituency has to be immediately dismissed. It threatens to pop the bubble you live in. And life viewed from the bubble always looks pretty good.  

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Yes … (4.00 / 1)
and it is a reason why people like Wellstone are still spoke of so glowingly .. even this many years after his passing … how many people will be speaking of Obama like that in 2020?

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Another thought (0.00 / 0)
People often confuse making decisions with top down leadership. The act of telling people what to do is somehow exclusively command and control. However, inclusive leaders make decisions, too. The difference is that the people they lead a.) know they’ve been listened to and heard and b.) usually see some or all of their issues addressed in the decisions made. This gains buy in over time from individuals and groups that might subvert decisions.

Contrast this to command and control where, at best, leaders might listen or guess at objections and adjust their decisions. But there’s rarely buy in from those they lead. Attrition usually is high because people leave when they realize they’re not valued. This also leads to dissension like we’ve seen against Obama’s policies.

However, my belief is that the disconnect is strictly based on values: Obama is what ages ago used to be called a moderate Republican while his rhetoric sometimes is progressive when it suits his purpose. Add in a top down control freak mentality and you get discontent early and often. The best we can do, as progressives, is to force issues publicly and try to sway public opinion. But it’ll be lots easier when we have a truly progressive President some day.


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Yeah, we don't need olive branches, Mike… (4.00 / 3)
…we need good policy…period. The administration isn’t coming up with that. And yes, I would agree that its biggest domestic evil is the whiff (no, stench) of corporatism. As I read Mike’s list of things to be applauded, a popular phrase kept coming back to me: “Close, but no cigar.” I wouldn’t go as far as to say the Obama presidency is a continuation of Cheney/Bush (even on Afghanistan), but the sliver of daylight between them can be summed up by recognizing that while Obama hasn’t gotten anything unequivocally right, Bush got everything wrong. No way can you run on that record, especially when most of the country’s adversely effected by the policy lapses. Gibbs’ outburst, no matter what the cause, is proof that we’ve still got an uphill battle.

“This ain’t for the underground. This here is for the sun.” -Saul Williams

 
I think Mike has it right here. (4.00 / 4)
And I’ve expressed my exasperation with the Obama administration all over OpenLeft. But as a card carrying member of the “professional left” (yes, I’m a professional who works for left leaning organizations) there are times when you need to make a “professional” judgment as Mike so accurately does here:
“But here’s the thing, folks at the White House: your strategy for getting the credit you think you deserve sucks. It’s not working, and bitching about the fact that people don’t give you enough credit is not going to get them to give you more.”

Regardless of how you feel about the Obama White House, this statement puts an indisputable framework on everything that Mike has to say in this post. I don’t think that anything more or less should be read into it.

 
Right on! (4.00 / 1)
“but it is still the biggest jobs bill in American history”

Yeah!  That loser Thomas Jefferson couldn’t pass a bill putting a million people to work in 1800!

“The federal budgets Obama submitted have been the most progressive in many way s at least since 1993”

Wow!  High praise!

“The financial reform bill didn’t break up the banks, but we won very significant victories in reining in the financial sector”

http://www.rollingstone.com/po…

“unneeded weapons systems got eliminated”

Defense spending up 12%:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2…


 
Four points, Mike (4.00 / 4)
1. I completely agree with Mike that the Obama administration and Democratic Congress have gotten some good things done.  I appreciate Mike’s list, which is helpful for summarizing what Democrats have achieved in the last year and eight months.  I admit that liberals are often grumpy or not easily satisfied.

2. On the other hand, there is a distinct feeling, as arbitrista put it earlier, that these sorts of incremental advances, while good, just aren’t good enough, especially when we live in times of such towering challenges (bad economy, crumbling infrastructure, shitty healthcare, climate change, etc.), and especially when we have, on paper, such political advantages (250-something Democrats in the House, 59-60 in the Senate, a Democratic President who campaigned more or less as a liberal and still beat the stuffing out of the Republican, and can give great speeches to boot).  The policies we’ve gotten in light of these two considerations – the enormous challenges we face and the political advantages we’re supposed to have – is akin to a starving person getting a piece of cold bread to eat, when there’s a bustling restaurant right within sight.  I mean, it’s better than nothing, yeah, but it’s hardly satisfying.

3. I totally agree with what tru blu said – we don’t need more attention for attention’s sake, we just need good policy, dammit!  Trust me, I wish I didn’t have to bash Obama, not only because of the time and energy it takes away from doing more important things like looking at mindlessly gratuitously entertaining bullshit on the Internet, but because, you know, it’d be nice having a President on our side, that we didn’t have to constantly nag for him to be on our side, for once.  I don’t relish the prospect of “making him do it” – I want him to “do it” without the need for us to make him do so – what, he thinks we have time all day to follow him around and nag him for free?  So no, Mike, I don’t need more meaningless attention from Obama to keep myself and others in the “professional left” to keep me happy.  I don’t need any more of his bullshit emails that don’t say anything substantive beyond “give me money”.  All I want from President Obama are some great policies, great legislation and great rhetoric.  That’s all.  After he’s done that he can go back to ignoring my existence and giving Blue Dogs handjobs or whatever he does for a living.  I just need him to do and say the right things.

4. There is a very distinct line between “policies that are good, but could’ve been better” and “policies that are straight-out bad”.  Contrary to popular belief, not all of liberals’ complaints about Democrats have been over the former.  Obama and Congressional Democrats have done/passed some genuinely bad things.  Off the top of my head:

a. health care (even if you think this law counts as “good but not great”, you have to admit that the way it was passed was totally fucked up.  Obama’s secret deals with the hospital and pharmaceutical industries are my primary reasons for refusing to vote for him in 2012.)

b. deficit commission/deficit anxiety/spending cuts/rhetoric about needing to “tighten our belts” or whatever

c. some neoliberal anti-government rhetoric (albeit mixed with some un-neoliberal pro-government rhetoric, which is a credit to Obama)

d. Afghanistan

e. civil liberties

f. offshore drilling

g. all the terrible people Obama picked for his administration (and no, it does NOT appear that “Obama is controlling them and making sure he’s setting the direction and tone of the administration”, as many argued when he was announcing his choices in late 2008/early 2009)

h. Shirley Sherrod/Van Jones

Others here can help add to the list.  Maybe we should keep a running list and have it stuck to the front page so people can easily find exactly what our complaints about Democrats are.


 
The Dirty F—ing Hippy Laundry List (4.00 / 1)
I like it.

“It sounds wrong…
     …but its right.”


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