Mubarak's nihilism, the army's Hamlet moment

by: Paul Rosenberg

Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 18:00


Juan Cole discusses the progression of Mubarak’s thuggish and decietful attempt to hold onto power:

On Wednesday, the Mubarak regime showed its fangs, mounting a massive and violent repressive attack on the peaceful crowds in Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo. People worrying about Egypt becoming like Iran (scroll down) should worry about Egypt already being way too much like Iran as it is. That is, Hillary Clinton and others expressed anxiety in public about increasing militarization of the Iranian regime and use of military and paramilitaries to repress popular protests. But Egypt is far more militarized and now is using exactly the same tactics.

The outlines of Hosni Mubarak’s efforts to maintain regime stability and continuity have now become clear. In response to the mass demonstrations of the past week, he has done the following:

1. Late last week, he first tried to use the uniformed police and secret police to repress the crowds, killing perhaps 200-300 and wounding hundreds.

2. This effort failed to quell the protests, and the police were then withdrawn altogether, leaving the country defenseless…. The public dealt with this threat of lawlessness by organizing self-defense neighborhood patrols, and continued to refuse to stop demonstrating.

3. Mubarak appointed military intelligence ogre Omar Suleiman vice president…..

4. Mubarak mobilized the army to keep a semblance of order, but failed to convince the regular army officers to intervene against the protesters….

5. When the protests continued Tuesday, Mubarak came on television and announced that he would not run for yet another term and would step down in September. His refusal to step down immediately and his other maneuvers indicated his determination, and probably that of a significant section of the officer corps, to maintain the military dictatorship in Egypt….

6. When this pledge of transition to a new military dictator did not, predictably enough, placate the public either, Mubarak on Wednesday sent several thousand secret police and paid enforcers in civilian clothing into Tahrir Square to attack the protesters with stones, knouts, and molotov cocktails, in hopes of transforming a sympathetic peaceful crowd into a menacing violent mob. This strategy is similar to the one used in summer of 2009 by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to raise the cost of protesting in the streets of Tehran, when they sent in basij (volunteer pro-regime militias). Used consistently and brutally, this show of force can raise the cost of urban protesting and gradually thin out the crowds.

Note that this step number 6 required that the army agree to remain neutral and not to actively protect the crowds. The secret police goons were allowed through army checkpoints with their staves, and some even rode through on horses and camels. Aljazeera English’s correspondent suggests that the military was willing to allow the protests to the point where Mubarak would agree to stand down, but the army wants the crowd to accept that concession and go home now.

It may just be wishful thinking on my part, but I think that the army has made a grave miscalculation, potentially destroying its heretofore unparalleled positive stature in Egyptian society.  Mubarak has nihilistically shown himself to be willing to destroy Egyptian society rather than leave in peace.  The army appears to be tacitly backing this nihilistic play.

As Cole has explained in his immediately previous post, “Why Egypt 2011 is not Iran 1979”, the fear of a fundamentalist takeover is entirely misplaced in today’s Egypt.  But if the army blocks this unprecedented broad concensus of the Egyptian people, there is simply no telling what sort of future havoc they are sowing, be it five years in the future or a full generation.

I do not expect any sort of benevolence or far-sightedness from the Egyptian military.  Military organizations are not known for such things.  But I do hope, simply, that strong enough elements in the Egyptian army value their unique status in Egyptian society to do the right thing, and thus reaffirm that that status has been justly earned, and should live on through history.

The question, really, is whether they warriors–men of honor–or merely good soldiers who do as they are told.  We forever hear so much about warriors, and forever see so little.

All the more reason that Egypt’s army should surprise us all, and cover themselves in glory.

As Sun Tzu says, the greatest victory is won without firing a shot.

Is Egypt’s army great enough?

Only they can say for sure.

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Juan sees it pretty much as it is – (0.00 / 0)
minus the Westerner view of an ‘army’ as some kind of a coherent group or institution. The Egyptian army is ‘the people’ who serve. It is the officers and generals – who always were comfortable with the thought that they will supply the regime with its leading figures – and it didn’t matter if the leading figures made it to the top like the lucky bestsellers of a unpredictable bazar. But right now even the last bit of predictability has vanished – Nobody seem to know anymoe what – or who the Egyptian army is – and if there would have been a strong enough imdividual – group – or movement in the army – Mubarak already would be gone.
And about these ‘horsemen’. They came all the way from Giza and  the Pyramides. The army has closed the tourist attraction and everybody out there is desperate – about feeding their families – and feeding their horses. And these are very simple people – and who know – perhaps some police thug had sent them on their way – or they just decided by themselves to fight ‘the young and arrogant elitists’ at the square who they thought – took away their livelyhood.
And this is the real heartbreaking drama which starts to play out right now –
Some of my Egyptian friends are willing to sacrifice their whole life for this dream of a openminded democracy – while a spoiled German-American brat like me whatches it like some kind of Anderson Cooper before he realizes that it comes with hard knocks.  

 
Horsemen (0.00 / 0)
Do you really believe the Pyramids story (is there any way to verify it)?  I assume they were just like the rest of the thugs.  Everything looks like (so far) the poorer classes in Egypt are just as opposed to the regime as the educated middle classes.  The only people supporting it are the corrupt wealthy elites, and other individuals who have a stake in the regime (police, members of the ruling party).

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I don't believe anything – (0.00 / 0)
(or everything) – and a friend of mine talked to one of his friends who helped to pull one of the ‘horsemen’ of his horse. One of the other riders supposedly was an undercover police officer and the man on the camel was one of this well known Giza Kameltreiber who offer you a shot -(photo) – sitting on his camel and then it suddenly takes off and you got to pay for the whole ride. And I just thought this small ‘detail’ of ‘the revolution’ would help to come to more ‘nuanced’ -(did I really say ‘nuanced’?) – evaluation  of the situation.
See – my facebook is full with all kind of contradictionary stories – There are all these very well educated sons and daughters of the very wealthy -(and for sure corrupt ‘elite’) – who helped to start this revolution – and there are what you probably would call ‘middle class’ -(for the average Egyptian: Very ‘Rich’ intellectuals) – I don’t hear that much from my poor friends in the Egypt desert – or in Dahab – but that’s no wonder because they don’t have Internet ‘connections’ (if you know what I mean? – But I heard from one of our diving teachers -(middle class?) – that the poor of Dahab for sure will be hit first with whats coming next. A German commentater last week accused all these Tourist who kept on flying to the Red Sea to be nothing else than accomplices of Mubarak -(supporting a corrupt regime)- and that made one the strongest enemies of Mubarak I know in Egypt pretty mad. So lets come to the conclusion that the whole situation is far more complicated than (for example) your picture suggests – What does the Intertube always say: Always the poor suffer most – they will pay the utmost price and not these (middle class?) Egyptian friends of mine -(I love them) – who helped to start this revolution and who have the ability to take a break by coming to Germany next week.
And they are heroes -(right?) – but do you have any idea how broken they are to live in a country where you only can get rid of a criminal like Mubarak by destroying the things you love?



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and to get a bit emotional – (0.00 / 0)
I can’t stand Anderson Cooper anymore -(I used to kind of tolerate the dude) – But the way he -(and all these other American TV clebrities) – threw themself ‘into the crowds’ – to report ‘from where the action is’ – makes me completely sick – I guess it reminded me on my own view that ‘life is some kind of a reality show’ – and ‘I’m still not over it – because dudes like Anderson Cooper and the whole rest of the American entertainment circus projects it every day – So I just got to throw up and hope I will feel better afterwards!

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Yeah, you're right (4.00 / 1)
Those damned reporters were practically asking for it. I mean, what were they thinking? Actually going out to the streets to cover a popular up-rising – hell, they deserve every punch to the face that meets them. The twits.

Better they stay in the studio where they belong, or maybe waiting patiently in Mubarak’s mansion until they can get the “real story” from the guy in charge.


“It sounds wrong…
     …but its right.”


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come on – (0.00 / 0)
the world is our stage and if there wouldn’t be a bit of punching here and there and all these colorful demonstrations where would be CNN’s ratings – down – down – down -(and let’s place an ad in between) – And actually there is no revolution at all – it’s just staged as an entertainment for the American people!

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or wait – it's all my fault – (0.00 / 0)
I’m so sorry I just didn’t know that Anderson Cooper is a ‘reporter’.
Now that changes everything and the only ecuse I have I really thought some homeland celebrity tourist got punched -(but do you know that the American government warned American Tourist to travel to Egypt?) –


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but I really want to make sure – (0.00 / 0)
this time – that we don’t misunderstand each-other – So I completely agree with you – by ordering his thugs to punch Anderson Cooper Mubarak really went too far – Now I think he really should resign!  

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but on the other hand – (0.00 / 0)
for a few minutes it wasn’t about ‘these poor Egyptians’ or Obama – It was all about Anderson Cooper -(do you know he even made the headline at the Huffpost?) – And isn’t that truly awesome?
(and sometimes I’m soo proud about all these fearless ‘tourists’ of my homeland – even if I think Anderson might have been a bit too joyful the first night he ’emerged’ into the crowd at the square – but that seems to happen a lot to tourists – they just don’t know when it’s time to stop smiling!)

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that doesn't mean – (0.00 / 0)
that I think ‘revolutions’ can’t be entertaining -(especially if others do them) – and I don’t want to imply at all that the American media hasn’t this rare talent to present everything in a very entertaining way – and perhaps that’s one of the reasons why Al Jazeera is much less popular in the homeland -(besides it being ‘Feindpropaganda) – and now I don’t know what else to say anymore…

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or – (0.00 / 0)
could it have been a ‘fail’ of Anderson Coopers bodyguards -(You know I once watched in utter amazement when a bunch of other American tourists who called themselves ‘reporters’ descended on a city in Italy – with ALL their bodyguards) – so perhaps Anderson Cooper was just careless and forgot his – Now that would be really stupid after the American government issued that warning…

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or – (0.00 / 0)
I have this great idea. Why don’t we sent Oprah and Glenn Beck to Egypt – and have them punched by some Mubarak thugs – Then Obama wouldn’t have a chance anymore NOT to ask Mubarak to step down!  

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Better idea (perhaps) (4.00 / 1)
Look up “sarcasm” in your “homeland” dictionary.  

“It sounds wrong…
     …but its right.”


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Yes, the army's behavior raises a lot of questions, doesn't it? (4.00 / 5)
I’m wondering to what extent our own DOD is encouraging or discouraging this behavior, given the relationship they have with the Egyptian military.

I’m also wondering how long this can go on without the army suffering a serious breakdown in discipline. Since 70% of them are conscripts, one has to wonder how many are thinking, “Hey, I didn’t sign up for this.” I read a tweet this morning (can’t find it now under the mass of them) in which a tank commander was described as putting his pistol in his mouth, intending to commit suicide, when his crew stopped him and everybody cried.

I do have a possible quibble on the far-sightedness question of yours. One thing good, long-standing militaries do have is a real tradition of some sort. Even ours does have some really good traditions of the intellectual variety, even though those have been under attack for many years now. So for an army that has never taken part in the nastiness that was Mubarak’s rule for three decades, this would seem to genuinely violate a long-held tradition of benevolence towards their own civilians.

This is why I wonder about DOD and whether or not they are encouraging this. There has to be a reason for them to openly sacrifice their own legitimacy this way, when they stood a good chance of being a part of post-Mubarak stabilization. Now they won’t be trusted later on by those who are being victimized, so they’ll have to be forced to give up some power or face a purge of sorts.

I’m also afraid PJ Crowley’s last briefing only added to my list of questions. From the Guardian:

9.54pm GMT: More details from the State Department briefing this afternoon, and the news that Hillary Clinton’s call to Omar Suleiman was the first by a senior member of the administration since Suleiman was appointed vice president.

State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said that Clinton condemned the violence. But, incredibly, Crowley also said: “We don’t know who’s responsible for the violence,” which he described as being caused by “thugs” and called it an attempt to intimidate protesters.

WTF? Who are they trying to kid at this point?

Thugs have been detained and had secret police IDs taken off them. Clinton’s on the phone with the head of the secret police and she doesn’t know who’s doing what? If her own people at State don’t know, how about they simply tune into Al Jazeera or even freakin’ CNN at this point?

I hate to sound like a broken record, citing Altemeyer  et al all the time, but I’m reminded of the study he and others have done about global crises and how high-scoring RWAs react in these situations: they dig in, even if it means disaster for them.

This is what it’s sounding like to me. They’re still hoping the violence will end the revolution (rather than reinforcing it, as the evidence suggests it is) and they’ll be able to simply install Hosni 2.DOh at a later date… because that’s the only thing the Isaelis will accept (ibid Altemeyer).

Either that or they’re just paralyzed from the neck UP.

“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.” -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


 
I am now completely jaded about these things. (4.00 / 4)
I don’t think this is just Mubarak’s nihilism at work.  Mubarak would not lift a finger without calling the White House first.  He cannot afford to risk the billions he gets from the U.S each year.  He is our man and we are the ‘boss of him.’

Meanwhile back at the White House, Obama is desperately trying to finesse this–preserve the image that the U.S. is pro-democracy while maintaing some kind of dictatorship.  I have no doubt that the proposed “transition” taking until September was approved by the White House.  This has the Obama Administration’s “smooth operator” finger prints all over it.  Except, it hasn’t pacified the protesters.  It’s not working.  

I guarantee that the U.S. is working furiously behind the scenes to get out of this situation without blood on our hands and a transition to another dictator.  So what’s next?  The Basij–with a wink from Washington.


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Yeah, the longer this goes on with the WH in "deer in headlights" mode, it really looks that way. (0.00 / 0)
Of course, that’s why I highlighted Crowley’s ridiculous remarks. That’s the position of State and the WH. Looks to me like they’re trying to give cover to Hosni’s basij.

If nothing else, one might think the WH might want to avoid appearing like that. But Obama decided to not have people like Chas Freeman around him and instead put in a bunch of Likudnik demagogues.

They are pretty cocksure they’ll not make total asses of themselves and the US in general. They also give chutzpah a good name.

“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.” -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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I Disagree (4.00 / 2)
They don’t know enough to have chutzpah.  They simply never imagined they’d face a test like this.

It’s the same mentality that let unemployment shoot through the roof & the Dems get massacred in the midterms. The naive belief that the system would just keep working on autopilot, because deep down, “nothing can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong…”  

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good point. Very good point. (4.00 / 2)
Of course, we’re talking about willful ignorance on their part. Today’s NYT provides  a little context, which actually makes sense:

Even as the White House was trying to react to the latest flare-up of violence in Egypt on Wednesday – Mr. Gibbs pointedly criticized attacks against the media in Egypt and against “peaceful demonstrators” – officials at the Pentagon, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the White House were running various scenarios across the region in an effort to keep up with events.

What would the covert American war in Yemen look like if the supportive Yemeni president were to be forced out? Will Mr. Mubarak’s successor duplicate his support of the Middle East peace process? Will the shifts in the region benefit Islamic extremists, who will try to capitalize on unrest, or will it show the Arab street the power of a secular uprising?

“A full range of events are being discussed in many buildings throughout Washington,” Mr. Gibbs said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02…

The mere fact that they’re only doing this now would support your hypothesis, wouldn’t it?

But this bit is more telling:

For the Obama administration and the Egyptian government, the flip from allies to open confrontation has been fast. When former President George Bush was briefed ahead of his recent call to Mr. Mubarak – a call Mr. Bush volunteered to make because he was an old friend – Mr. Bush was given no instructions to push the leader toward the exit, according to people familiar with the conversations.

“No one wanted the vacuum of power that would happen if Mubarak left too soon,” said a former senior official who was consulted by the White House.

Now, though, administration officials are calling for visible steps from the Mubarak government. At a minimum, the Obama administration wants to make sure that political opponents of Mr. Mubarak are included in negotiations – which the United States wants to see begin at once – over how to restructure Egypt’s political system in a way that will take into account the grievances of the protesters.

So the protesters are supposed to negotiate with the tyrants on how to go forward? And the WH was in no rush to get Mubarak out until events superceded their imaginary timetable? They don’t want a vacuum? They should spell that one out more, because that can mean any number of things.

So this also supports both you and I. They don’t know, because they didn’t want to know and they also are still trying to play it both ways. Somehow I doubt this will resolve itself in a manner of their liking, especially since they don’t know what they’re doing.

“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.” -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Obama's Idea of Dramatic, Decisive Action (4.00 / 2)
is a twitch in the middle of a nap.

Or rather, it’s the decision to take a nap.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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and I still don't know – (0.00 / 0)
if Obamas way of saying and doing things that satisfy NOBODY is a deficit or a talent – at least he didn’t p… of ‘the people’ with his decisiveness as much as Bush – and he is just like the rest of the world a door without hinges.
(at least still kind of pretty?)
   

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Jeebus, that sounds a lot like the other guy! (0.00 / 0)


“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.” -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates

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One thing I think (4.00 / 1)
is this is a revolution by the masses against the elites.

You mentioned a tweet about an army tank commander on the brink of committing suicide….Al Jazeera English showed a You Tube of a protester holding in his hands the face of an army soldier (in an army helmet) weeping…

The Army commanders/elite have been co-opted by the governing elites – Mubarek, the Israelis – to put the revolutionary masses down. Their strategy is to not stop the violent fighting of the pro-Mubarek forces, the thugs probably paid by the regime.

The rank and file Army soldiers want to help the revolutionary masses, but so far they are powerless to stand up to their superiors.

The revolutionary masses have already stood up to so many challenges — initially not knowing what the Army would do, fending off looting mobs when Mubarek took the corrupt police off the streets, continuing to organize without internet and only some phone service…

Al Jazeera repeatedly quotes and shows protestors who say they are not going to back down, that they are willing to die to get Mubarek to leave.

Indeed they are courageously fighting and dying. It so saddened me this morning when I heard the news of the violence.

I also think Mubarek got pissed off by Obama’s statement on TV last night, telling Mubarek to leave now..and Wisner, the former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt told Mubarek he should end the regime. and all the other leaders of the world telling Mubarek to end it..

I don’t think stronger statements by Obama, or any other leader would have made any difference to Mubarek.

Mubarek has been a corrupt dictator for 30 years..yes, the U.S. and Israel are complicit, aided, abetted and encouraged Mubarek. But, now, when it comes to the end, Mubarek is isolated and alone. Paul has it exactly right – in an earlier post today – calling Mubarek a cornered animal or a wild beast, or something like that.

Perhaps it will come to a place like the Kosovo War, 1998-1999, when Bill Clinton finally weighed in with U.S. forces, alongside NATO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K…

 


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I don't think the US is in any position to intervene (0.00 / 0)
And they shouldn’t even be thinking about it. There’s simply no need to intervene if the army stops behaving badly and puts down the Thug Militia. In any case, it’s not even possible. There’s no way Americans would be seen in a positive light by Egyptians now.

It’s hard to know what the WH really thinks. They’re still hedging on their positions, so we’re basically reduced to “kremlinology”-type analysis. The mere fact they won’t even admit who’s doing the violence is telling in a rather bad way. They’re still waiting to see what happens. Fact is, they were fine with Mubarak taking his time at first. That changed when people rejected it. Now they want him to leave, but only after the violence ramped up, so they’re banking on Suleiman. Big mistake there as well. I don’t get the impression they know what to do next and they sure as hell ain’t sayin’.

In the Tunisian situation, they supported Ben Ali until he got on the plane… and then become freedom loving supporters of the revolution. But Tunisia wasn’t important to Israel, so while that was embarrassing to the US, it wasn’t a huge deal.

Egypt is different. Israel has already said they won’t accept a democratic gov’t in Egypt. They’re branding pro-democratic forces as terrorists. So even if the WH is trying to do the right thing, they’re constrained by Tel Aviv.

If we had an actual leader in the White House, a person who puts US interests ahead of Israel’s, he could lead Israel into a better place, even though they’d still hate it. But we don’t have a leader. We have a lapdog to Tel Aviv and that voids an awful lot of options for Washington. None of this needs to be the end of the world for anyone, but the zionists in DC don’t seem to realize that and so they’re stuck in a bad position.

Talk about incompetence!

“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.” -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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I see what you're saying – (0.00 / 0)
This whole episode, and the coming aftermath, exposes and will expose – to those who wish to see it – the hypocritical nature of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, the case at hand. What that says about our brand of Democracy is a separate question.

At this very minute, the only thing anybody can do is watch and wait. The Egyptian Army didn’t act this morning when it could have kept the pro-Mubarek thugs out of the square. Watching the violence on TV right now I imagine the Army would have a hard time supporting the protesters. I mean, how could they tell who is who in the dark there fighting hand to hand, body to body, on the ground, although the Army did run a smoke screen during tonight’s outbreak that allowed protesters and pro-Mubarek thugs to run away from each other.

But back to Washington and our President who you say is taking his cues from Israel.

You write that

Israel has already said they won’t accept a democratic gov’t in Egypt. They’re branding pro-democratic forces as terrorists. So even if the WH is trying to do the right thing, they’re constrained by Tel Aviv.

If we had an actual leader in the White House, a person who puts US interests ahead of Israel’s, he could lead Israel into a better place, even though they’d still hate it.

I had to verify what you said about Israel, and sure enough, you are right.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

In today’s New York Times, Yossi Klein Halevi, an influential Israeli journalist, expresses fear, almost terror, about the Egyptian revolution. …
…the grim assumption is that it is just a matter of time before the only real opposition group in Egypt, the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, takes power. Israelis fear that Egypt will go the way of Iran or Turkey, with Islamists gaining control through violence or gradual co-optation. …

You would never know it from Halevi but the Brotherhood is non-violent, has always opposed Al Qaeda, and condemned 9/11 and all other acts of international terrorism. Yes, they are an Islamic organization which would prefer an Egypt based on Islamic law …

Halevi may want the Muslim Brotherhood to be terrorists but, sadly for him, that is not true. …

The bottom line: I am happy for the Egyptian people, but I am sad for Israel — not because it is genuinely threatened by this revolution but because Israel’s leaders seems determined to turn the revolution against them.

You also point out:

The mere fact [that Washington] won’t even admit who’s doing the violence is telling in a rather bad way.

Yes, I see that now: Obama, Hillary Clinton, Wisner-the former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt — they hedge bets, they mince words, they offer nuance in the middle of an explosive situation.

Waiting to see what Israel will do or want, or waiting for the Egyptian people to slaughter one another…

The MSNBC reporter – Richard Engle – who, I think, totally beat Al Jazeera in getting this story tonight, just hit the nail on the head:
“This is what Mubarek wanted..he sent in goons to pick a fight.”

Power to the people….hope is a double-edged sword.


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Obama told Mubarak to leave now? (4.00 / 2)
I must’ve missed that.

Last I heard he said “the transition should begin now,” which could easily be understood as meaning he supports Mubarak staying in power until Fall. In fact I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how Mubarak did take it, emboldening him to crack down yesterday.

Montani semper liberi


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Live – right now – Cairo on Rachel Maddow vs. Al Jazeera (0.00 / 0)
Protesters have the pro-Mubarek thugs ON THE RUN.

Al Jazeera says pro-Mubarek firing on protesters !!


 
For the record – (0.00 / 0)
Al Jazeera is now reporting that, yes, the Protesters pushed pro-Mubarek back.

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OT – kind of (0.00 / 0)
I’ve been unable to watch the live stream on Al Jazeera because I don’t have a certain plug in, but Youtube is livestreaming on its Al Jazeera channel. Watch there if you’re having similar issues.

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