Open Left Presidential Forecast, May 29th

by: Chris Bowers

Thu May 29, 2008 at 20:22


Obama 242, McCain 211, Toss-up 85



(Dark Blue (184): Obama +10% or more
Lean Blue (58): Obama +4.1%-+9.9%
White / Toss-up (85): Obama +4.0% to McCain +4.0%
Lean Red (65): McCain +4.1%-+9.9%
Dark Red (146): McCain +10.0% or more
)

The holiday weekend significantly slowed the influx of new polls, so this is the first update in six days. All of the movement right now is from the "Lean" categories to the "Solid" categories. As states like Texas and Nebraska move to "Solid McCain," and states like California move to "Solid Obama," the battleground has shrunk remarkably. In just the last ten days, the total electoral votes of the states in the "lean" or "toss-up" categories has shrunk from 300 to 175. This change is causing the map to start to bear a lot of resemblance to the maps of 2000 and 2004. Right now, the only states with polling averages that are significant outliers from recent presidential elections are Indiana, Massachusetts, North Dakota, and South Carolina. Everything else is pretty much where one would expect it to be in an normal election year.

That is certainly disappointing, because Bush's 28.3% approval rating, skyrocketing Democratic self-identification, mass Republican retirements in the House, and the Senate Forecast makes it clear that this is not a normal election year. However, if anyone ever thought it was going to be easy to elect an African-American President of the United States, much less one named Barack Obama, and much less when matched up against the media's favorite politician, they were probably kidding themselves.  Still, it is a great challenge to have, and Obama maintains a small lead in the Electoral College even when leaners are pushed. McCain has moved ahead by 1.3% nationally, but that should change next week when Obama is able to declare victory in the nomination campaign.

It is a very close election. We all have lots of work to do. The state by state details in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Open Left Presidential Forecast, May 29th
Solid Obama: 184 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 51.0% 38.7% +12.3% 3
Connecticut 7 51.0% 36.5% +14.5% 2
D.C. 3 -- -- +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 59.0% 34.0% +25.0% 2
Maine-AL* 2 50.0% 38.5% +11.5% 2
Maine-01* 1 -- -- +15.0% 0
Maryland 10 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Minnesota 10 52.0% 38.0% +14.0% 2
New Jersey 15 52.0% 36.0% +16.0% 2
New York 31 50.5% 36.5% +14.0% 2
Oregon 7 51.5% 40.0% +11.5% 2
Rhode Island 4 47.5% 34.0% +13.5% 2
Vermont 3 60.0% 32.5% +27.5% 2
Washington 11 52.5% 41.0% +11.5% 2

Lean Obama: 58 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Colorado 9 48.5% 41.5% +7.0% 2
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
Iowa 7 45.5% 40.0% +5.5% 2
Massachusetts 12 49.5% 42.5% +7.0% 2
Maine-02* 1 -- -- +8.0% 0
New Mexico 5 47.0% 42.5% +4.5% 2
Pennsylvania 21 46.3% 40.5% +5.8% 4

Toss-up: 52 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Indiana 11 45.5% 49.0% -3.5% 2
Michigan 17 40.3% 43.3% -3.0% 2
New Hampshire 4 43.5% 42.5% +1.0% 2
North Dakota 3 42.0% 43.0% -1.0% 2
Ohio 20 44.0% 42.7% -1.3% 3
South Carolina 8 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 1
Virginia 13 44.0% 45.3% -1.3% 3
Wisconsin 10 45.0% 45.0% Even 2

Lean McCain: 65 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 41.5% 49.5% -8.0% 2
Florida 27 40.5% 47.5% -7.0% 2
Missouri 11 43.0% 47.5% -4.5% 2
Montana 3 41.0% 47.5% -6.5% 2
Nebraska-02** 1 -- -- -8.5% 0
Nevada 5 41.5% 47.5% -6.0% 2
North Carolina 15 42.3% 48.0% -5.0% 4

Solid McCain: 146 Electoral Votes
State EV's Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 34.0% 57.5% -23.5% 2
Arizona 10 38.5% 48.5% -10.0% 2
Arkansas 6 31.5% 58.0% -26.5% 2
Georgia 15 39.5% 53.5% -14.0% 2
Idaho 4 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Kansas 6 36.5% 52.0% -15.5% 2
Kentucky 8 32.5% 57.5% -25.5% 2
Louisiana 9 37.0% 52.5% -15.5% 2
Mississippi 6 41.5% 52.0% -10.5% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 34.0% 53.5% -19.5% 2
Nebraska-01** 1 -- -- -13.5% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 -- -- -37.5% 2
Oklahoma 7 27.5% 59.5% -32.0% 2
South Dakota 3 36.0% 49.5% -13.5% 2
Tennessee 11 33.5% 55.5% -22.0% 2
Texas 34 39.3% 50.3% -11.0% 3
Utah 5 33.0% 56.0% -23.0% 2
West Virginia 5 35.0% 53.0% -18.0% 1
Wyoming 3 35.0% 54.0% -19.0% 1

* Maine four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska's five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
I will update at least once every day between now and November 4th. The methodology is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, take all polls conducted for the state over the previous thirty days, and average them.
  2. If one polling firm has more than one poll in a state over the last thirty days, take only the most recent poll.
  3. Every state has at least two polls. If two polls were not conducted in a state over the last thirty days, use the two most recent polls from any polling firm.
  4. If only one poll has been conducted in a state, then only use that poll.
  5. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.

As we move closer to the election and more data becomes available, the time frames for polls included in the averages will decrease. Also, when the amount of data increases, I will be able to start projecting the swing, "toss-up" states. Right now, however, there just isn't enough data to push those states into one camp or the other.

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I feel as though (4.00 / 2)
Among many other things, this general has the capacity to kick traveling volunteerism to an entirely new level. The money that will be available, the passion that will be available, probably the youth and thus relatively higher ability to pack up for a few weeks, and the experience of having dealt with the logistics at various levels since 2004.

Obama has started doing this on a small scale, but as things proceed, it'll be interesting to see if it takes off.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


Lucas O'Connor Is Back, With A Vengence (4.00 / 1)
Lucas, One comment between late February and May 27 and now 18 comments in the past two days!  Glad to see you're back.  

John McCain will privatize social security.

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Yeah well (0.00 / 0)
The time has come.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Michigan (4.00 / 2)
I know the polls are the polls and the polls are the basis for this analysis.   Nonetheless, I think I know Michigan well.    Unless Michigan Democrats are really pissed off regarding their treatment by the DNC with respect to their early primary, Michigan is a solid Democratic state.  



Plus (4.00 / 2)
the internals of the Mi poll had Obama winning AA's 62/23 ...when that number is 90/10 he will go up to a 4-5 point lead.

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it may go as high as 99/01 (0.00 / 0)
i won't be surprised at 100/0

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according to Bob Beckel on MI (0.00 / 0)
Michigan: The most devastated economic state in the Bush years is a McCain target? Let me get off the floor and stop laughing. Michigan has 1.4 million blacks with 300,000 yet to be (but will be) registered. It has one of the largest populations of college students in the country, and 150,000 new voters will turn 18 by Election Day. Any bets how they will vote?

Michigan is highly unionized in a year where unions will spend more and be more active for Democrats than at any time since the halcyon days of the 1950s. "Uncommitted" in the Democratic primary almost beat McCain's total vote - and that's when no Democrat campaigned in the state.

The truth is that McCain has very little chance of winning Michigan.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...


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It's been said many times before... (4.00 / 2)
  ...but these numbers will improve dramatically once Obama and the Democrats can focus solely on McCain. As long as Hillary Clinton hangs around, there's just no way to build a consistent narrative against McCain.

  Here's an exercise for the reader: When was the last time Hillary Clinton uttered a disapproving word about John McCain?

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


and from what I can tell (0.00 / 0)
pollsters are not yet counting turn out of blacks and young people at high enough rates. Like Murdoch said today, "we are looking at a potential dem landslide."

i can't wait.


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Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
"As long as Hillary Clinton hangs around, there's just no way to build a consistent narrative against McCain."

And why would that be? I just love these definitive statements with no basis stated for why there are so. The fact is that for the last 10 days or so Obama has totally been focusing on McCain and isn't doing so well is he - so blame it on Clinton! There will always be an excuse for Obama.

Forget that he is a weak candidate for the General in so many ways as 1/2 the country has been saying and as Chris points out: "if anyone ever thought it was going to be easy to elect an African-American President...they were probably kidding themselves".

And dare not I mention that Clinton, who is just "hanging around" still polls better on the electoral map than does Obama and the press has already written her out of the script. Just imagine of what she would be polling if the deck was not stacked against her.

But I keep forgetting this is not about winning the WH for many here - it is about Obama win or LOSE. It's about candidate - not country. It's about Generational Change, even if that generation has more to lose with a loss. It's about the Creative Class - not America.


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Great (0.00 / 0)
Question people's patriotism because they disagree with you. That's a popular tactic that's proven to win hearts and minds.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Not necessarily, actually (0.00 / 0)
It depends on how frustrated/angry core Clinton supporters are. There's an argument that they will give up and move over to Obama once it's formally over, but there's a counter argument that they will get all that much more frustrated and drift farther away. If you ask really hardcore Clinton types, it's pretty dicey right now. Obama supporters (notably NOT Obama himself or his official campaign) have been pretty condescending, dismissive, and insulting to Clinton for a long time. How her passionate, core supporters decide to react to her withdrawal will determine whether the polls bounce, and which way.

Out in the real world, a lot of Democrats don't think that poorly of John McCain.


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while I certainly don't hope for this (0.00 / 0)
I see your Obama states + WI + MI = tie in electoral college.  

Speaking of situations where one electoral vote matters, would Nebraska be able to switch the way they award electoral votes before the election?


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


Funny (4.00 / 1)
I was just thinking about that exact tie scenario myself and considering which of my household items I would smash on election night were that to happen.

I determined that my TV is most likely to be sacrificed, along with some kitchenware.

John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."


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No (4.00 / 2)
Unless they called a special session. The unicam is over for this year.

Also Lee Terry who represents the district that Obama is most likely to win is going around claiming that there are lots of Obama/Terry voters

http://www.swingstateproject.c...

That's a pretty clear sign that Obama is going to be very close if not win at least one EV from Nebraska which would prevent a EC tie.

By the way. What if there was a EC tie and a elector decided that they would vote for McCain instead of Obama. Wouldn't McCain technically win then? The EC needs to be abolished so badly.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


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It's theoretically possible... (0.00 / 0)
But electors are going to be die-hard supporters and unlikely to switch.  

Jim Esch For Congress

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There have been unfaithful electors in the past (4.00 / 2)
but yes, one in a tie election would be one of the most vilified people ever.

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If it's a tie... (4.00 / 2)
...it goes to the house of reps with one vote per state.  Guess how many states we have?  26

A tie is a win.


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House seats to watch in the case of tie (4.00 / 1)
I agree that there is a realistic possibility of 269-269 split, which is Kerry states+IA,CO,NM-NH. Even though I wish a landslide for Obama, a win is a win is a win, so it is quite useful to examine what the situation in the House will be like...

For the Presidential vote, each state delegation has one vote. I found out that it is most likely that we will retain the House delegation majority!

Currently, there are 27 states whose House delegations are Dem majority (Dem states), 21 Republican-majority states, and 2 ties (AZ, KS). Out of 27 Dem states, 23 shall be safe after the November elections (I got this out from CQPolitics website, but I hope that shouldn't be controversial... they are all safe seats.)

States to defend
1) Indiana
Indiana's House delegation is now split 5-4 for Dems, but IN-09 is a toss-up seat deep in the rural red territory. Defending IN-09 (Hill) would be the key; if we lose this one Indiana turns into a GOP state.

2) Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania is now 11-8 for Dems, but PA-4 (Altmire) and PA-10 (Carney) can both be battlegrounds. But we have an opportunity to take on Gerlach (PA-06) again. Defending Pennsylvania won't be too hard, since we only have to win one of the three seats mentioned above.

3) North Carolina
NC is now 7-6 split for Dems, but it takes some work to defend the Appalachian seat of NC-11 (Shuler). One of the GOP-held seats (NC-08) is a toss-up one. We need to win either NC-11 or 08 to defend NC.

4) Mississippi
If we lose MS-01 (Childers), MS will be a split state with 2-2. No matter how Bush Dog he is, Gene Taylor's seat is very safe.

5) Kansas
Kansas is now 2-2 split. If we lose KS-02 (Boyda), the KS House delegation will be red.

States to aim for
1) Alaska
A simple, one-seat state. If the blue wave throughout Alaska can out corrupt Young, Alaska will be a (100%!) blue state, House delegation wise.

2) Missouri.
MO-06. If Kay Barnes beats Sam Graves, Missouri will be blue too. (Currently MO is 5-4 for GOP.)

3) New Mexico
NM-01. It is an open seat, and in 2006 we lost it by 861 seats, or 0.4%. NM-01 is sufficient to turn the NM delegation blue.

4) Nevada
NV-03. Another close seat that can turn a state House del. blue.

So, for the GOP to take the House delegation majority, they have to take IN, PA, NC and either MS or KS, and defend AK, NM, MO, NV. In other words, we only have to win one out of 10 key seats (IN-09, PA-04, PA-06, PA-10, NC-08, NC-11, AK, MO-06, NM-01). In such a Democratic Year. Practically 269-269 split means the Obama Presidency. Of course, we should aim for a landslide, just to win, Obama only has to get IA, CO, NM without losing WI, MI.  


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I'm pretty sure the lame duck house is the one that votes: (4.00 / 1)

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

This would all be happening this November, while the current Congress is still the legal Congress.


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speaking of which, a quick question: (0.00 / 0)
what happens if there is an exact electoral college split, followed by an exact split of the state delegations in the house?  I don't think the Constitution has a way to resolve that sort of deadlock (which is, of course, yet another reason to get rid of the Electoral college).

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January? (4.00 / 1)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've understood that the Congress opens all the "certificates"  (electoral votes) on Jan. 6th or so, after new Congresswomen/men are sworn in on the 3rd of January. I think there's no Constitutional provision in the case of tie; in 1800 the House voted for 36 times before they nominated Jefferson over Aaron Burr.

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it's the new congress (0.00 / 0)
The ballots are counted on January 6th, and thus it is the new Congress.   It is likely that Dems will have 27 delegations, at least, but possible that we will have 25 or fewer.  If neither candidate can get a majority of delegations (say 25-23-2 ties), then the Vice-President (chosen by the Senate, so the Democrat will win) takes office on January 20th.  If, at any time during the next four years, the House tie is broken (due to a death or resignation, special election, or the 2010 election), then the elected President takes office.

But with 27 right now, and New Mexico very likely, we're probably pretty safe.


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test (0.00 / 0)
test

McCain mortgage policy shaped by banking lobbyist.



Chris, I generally enjoy your work, but... (4.00 / 1)
this current trend of yours of hyper-analyzing the Electoral College vote based on polling done in May is just a bit... uhmm, useless?

Why get our undies all tied up in bunches over meaningless polls?  I realize you're pushing the anti-complacency condition trying to get and keep people energized, but is this the best method?

I mean, come on:

McCain has moved ahead by 1.3% nationally, but that should change next week when Obama is able to declare victory in the nomination campaign.

Exactly: that should change next week!  These poll-based maps and projections are meaningless now (and, perhaps, even closer to the election), because everything is in so much flux.

Why bother?


useless in predicting outcome (0.00 / 0)
but very useful in state by state analysis. Mark my words, the Obama map is going to look very different from the Kerry or Gore map.

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
It may be less Blue. It certainly does not look like it will be Bluer. And forget Florida and Ohio, states that many here foolishly don't think are necessary to win.

As Chris says this is starting to look like the map 0f 2000 and 2004. And it is likely to remain so making big electoral vote states like Florida and Ohio just as important as they have been in the past. But oh no - win Colorado and the WH is ours they say.

It's funny that the neophytes here think just because Obama won some Red States in the caucuses that they think he can win them in the General. It's like they think that a Democrat has never won a Red State in a caucus or Primary before.  


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Let Me Add (0.00 / 0)
Chris' Quick Hit on the right hand column:  41% unreachable on both sides?

"Democracy Corps has an interesting poll out where, among other things, they identity a hard base of 41% for both McCain and Obama. So, turnout, a swing vote of 18%, and electoral math looks like the entire election".

So not only is the electoral map mirroring '00 and '04 but the same old swing voters are going to determine this election. And those swing voters reside in key states like Florida and Ohio and a few others - the most important of being those states with a large number of electoral votes.

So it is looking like more and more that an Obama win based on his changing The Map is a fools errand. Hope against hope. Some of us knew that long ago but people would not listen because they got caught up in their emotions - they got caught up in an empty promise of Change.

Well just keep looking at those Maps, and at those swing voters and at what Dem organizations like Democracy Corps are saying and you will learn that Change is just a short bumper sticker slogan and has nothing to do with reality as it is beginning to unfold.


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The Reason to Bother (4.00 / 2)
Is that we will need every single insight, to notice every trend, to track every trick. We need to watch what is happening in every demographic, every state and every discussion.

The republicans may be staggered, may be embarrassed, you may be able to see opportunities in the news every single day, but the Rethuglicans are still in power, still venal, still capable of stealing, cheating lying and stuffing. Please read Robert F. Kennedy's article on the stolen election in 2004. Read about police roadblocks closing all the roads to polls in democratic areas in Florida, read about the 100,000 voters illegally stripped of their rights to vote by Florida's "Felon voting laws", read about Democratic Party phones in Maine being jammed and the Republicans who went to jail for tampering with elections. I could go on and on and on, as I assume you know. Read about Diebold electronic voting machines, read about hanging chads. Read about California's primary where unless the voter hit two different check marks on their ballot, their vote wasn't counted, what you call "the land mine voting system." Or you could read about voter ID laws disenfranchising hundreds of thousands who don't have picture ID.

We track now, putting numbers in place early, because unless you start now trends later do not have a base to compare against.

We start now because if we want :

Among many other things, this general has the capacity to kick traveling volunteerism to an entirely new level. The money that will be available, the passion that will be available, probably the youth and thus relatively higher ability to pack up for a few weeks, and the experience of having dealt with the logistics at various levels since 2004.
Obama has started doing this on a small scale, but as things proceed, it'll be interesting to see if it takes off.
by: Lucas O'Connor @ Thu May 29, 2008 at 20:29 openleft.com

...then we will need people planning now to dedicate their time later. I dont know about you but I can't drop everything in six and a half hours, I need to arrange, I need to negotiate with people important to me, and I think its better if the contest I'm going to support knows as soon as possible how to slot volunteers when.

We aren't asking these nice people to step down, as its obvious they no longer have support. These people lied to America to spend a four thousand American lives, tens of thousands of American limbs, spend a trillion dollars, and literally innumerable Iraqi lives to either "make Bush look good compared to his father" or oil profits. They are not going willingly, they are not repentant, they are not honest they are not ethical or fair players.

Chris Bowers isn't scaring anyone, Chris Bowers is analyzing and organizing and presenting data, so that millions of volunteers can most effectively put their efforts into making the largest change America has seen since FDR, the overwhelming choice of the American People.  

Obama The future we have always deserved. I trust Obama to choose a VP
McCain wants to privatize Social Security


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Why are you burying your head in the sand? (0.00 / 0)
right now....even though Obama is the presumptive nominee...Hillary Clinton  has 300 electoral votes.

Why have you backed off the dual map...why don't you be honest and show the hiabitues of this blog that it seems she can win easily and he is struggling....and may not make it.

And depending on how well he handles the the near future and her and her supporters...he may just blow it all...and instead of Dems coalescing around their nominee..they will flee in anger.


When did I have a duel map? (0.00 / 0)
The last time I remember doing one of those was in October.  

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

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Clinton has lost the primary. (4.00 / 3)
And, her supporters, at least online such as at TalkLeft, are increasingly scaring me. You should never have so much of yourself vested in a candidate that you react such extreme denials of reality. Even if he put up the chart, what would be the point? To make you feel like she still has a chance. She doesn't. Accept it or not. That's the reality.

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Yes -I hope its obvious to some of HRC's supporters soon (0.00 / 0)
A wave of defections is whats needed. A huge number of people are trying to spare HRC's feelings by 'sticking with her' u7ntil its 'obvious' I guess. Or maybe she will run as an independent. But yeah, HRC is suffering from a feedback loop of support from people who continue to pretend she hasn't lost.

It wont help her when she discovers shes lost and looks around at the room of people with pity in their eyes. It's time for people to directly and loudly let her know - Its over.

Debcoop, go back and read everything that has been said since before Richardson endorsed, all the predictions and analyses have come to pass. Its over.

Obama The future we have always deserved. I trust Obama to choose a VP
McCain wants to privatize Social Security


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So many problems with polling the GE prior to having nominees set... (4.00 / 1)
Hillary looks great in polls now.  People can say they will vote for her knowing that she won't be the candidate, its a no-risk proposition.  You get a lot of anti-McCain conservatives saying they will vote Hillary but not Obama, these are people who will vote for McCain or not vote.  Hillary is the outsider right now.  No one is attacking her on the campaign trail except to say she should get out.

Add to those dynamics the fact that no one is polling just Clinton v. McCain.   They are all basically polling Clinton v. Obama v. McCain.  People like you are currently telling pollsters they won't vote Obama.  Obama supporters are mostly in rift-healing mode and say they will vote for a Democrat no matter what (if Hillary steals the nomination at this point a real majority of those voters will be lost). When the chips are down there won't be many of the 'anyone but Obama' Democrats left, especially outside of the South and Appalachia.  As Chris says, Obama will get a post-nomination bounce and I imagine at that stage the idea of a potential landslide will grow.

Clinton is the underdog and is getting an underdog's bounce.  Once Obama clears the nomination we will get a real sense of just how many racists are left in the Democratic party. Hillary's current strength is just smoke and mirrors.  I really wish someone would do a poll asking, "If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination at the convention, who would you vote for in November?"  I imagine that would put to rest the idea that Hillary is anywhere near a 300 EV candidate (much less a 270 EV candidate).


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If (0.00 / 0)
Ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Latest Polls (0.00 / 0)
I'm confused. Pollster.com has McCain passing Obama by a point or so, where previously Obama I think was up by a bit. Yet I was just on liberaloasis.com and they have Obama leading by around 5-7 in most polls from this past month.

From May:
http://www.liberaloasis.com

CBS/NY Times: Obama, 11 points
USA Today/Gallup: McCain, 1 point
Ipsos: Obama, 4 points
LA Times/Bloomberg: Obama, 6 points
NPR: Obama, 5 points
Quinnipiac: Obama, 7 points
ABC/Washington Post: Obama, 7 points
Reuters/Zogby (including Ralph Nader & Bob Barr): Obama, 10 points
GW-Battleground poll: Obama, 2 points
Investor's Business Daily: Obama, 11 points
Newsweek: Tie

I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff so I must be missing something.



There are all sorts of different aggregation techniques one can use (0.00 / 0)
that weight different polls differently, usually based on how recent they are.  That would be the first place I'd look for an explanation.

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national polls vs state polls (0.00 / 0)


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Virginia (0.00 / 0)
Chris: I think you'd have to add VA to your list as one of the more significant deviations from previous elections.  I don't recall anyone thinking Kerry or Gore had a shot there, ever.

Tim Wolfe

John McCain is not pro-choice!


What is worrisome is that as a MA resident and Democratic activist I know (0.00 / 0)
how important it was to "head up to NH" to work that state(NH) for Kerry to turn it blue for the General Election. The same applies for Maine.

With the relative "closeness" in MA reflected in the recent polls and, I can say, anecdotally as well, I don't see how we activists can put forth the effort in 2 necessary states when we still have to work harder than we should have to in MA.

I'm a firm believer in massive amounts of "visibility" through the use of bumper stickers and yard signs and I would like to see the Obama campaign distribute copius amounts of those items with a coordinated effort to get them out and "up" in an organized fashion with easy to identify precinct captains so that Independents can obtain the same items.

The Fall campaign will not be as easy as some may think.


Key is to Register Voters (0.00 / 0)
According to a RCP article (I know, I know):

Pennsylvania has 200,000 unregistered black voters(a minimum of 100,000 will register and vote).

By November, 250,000 new PA voters will turn 18.

Michigan has 1.4 million blacks with 300,000 yet to be registered.

MI has one of the largest populations of college students in the country, and 150,000 new voters will turn 18 by Election Day.

Ohio has 1.38 million blacks of which 300,000 are unregistered. (expect 225,000 new black voters)

Over 600,000 Ohio residents have turned 18 since 2004.

In Virginia 20% of the population is black, of which 200,000 are unregistered. (If black turnout increases by 20% and Obama gets 90+% of their vote, as expected, it will constitute more votes than Kerry lost to Bush in 2004, and Kerry never contested the state.)

Over 400,000 Virginians have turned 18 since 2004. (Already 131,000 new VA voters have registered, half under the age of 25.)

Add just those four states (OH, VA, PA, and MI) up:

1 million unregistered blacks.

1.4 million potential new voters will turn 18 by November.

The key is to register voters all day every day for the next three months.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...


ps sorry to bogart your thread (0.00 / 0)


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National Popular Vote should elect president (0.00 / 0)
The real issue is not how well Clinton, Obama, or McCain might do in the closely divided battleground states, but that we shouldn't have battleground states and spectator states in the first place. Every vote in every state should be politically relevant in a presidential election. And, every vote should be equal. We should have a national popular vote for President in which the White House goes to the candidate who gets the most popular votes in all 50 states.

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes-that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

The major shortcoming of the current system of electing the President is that presidential candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or worry about the voter concerns in states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind. The reason for this is the winner-take-all rule which awards all of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who gets the most votes in each separate state. Because of this rule, candidates concentrate their attention on a handful of closely divided "battleground" states. Two-thirds of the visits and money are focused in just six states; 88% on 9 states, and 99% of the money goes to just 16 states. Two-thirds of the states and people are merely spectators to the presidential election.

Another shortcoming of the current system is that a candidate can win the Presidency without winning the most popular votes nationwide.

The National Popular Vote bill has been approved by 18 legislative chambers (one house in Colorado, Arkansas, Maine, North Carolina, Rhode Island, and Washington, and two houses in Maryland, Illinois, Hawaii, California, and Vermont). It has been enacted into law in Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland. These states have 50 (19%) of the 270 electoral votes needed to bring the law into effect.

See http://www.NationalPopularVote...  


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