WE WON....They Lost

by: debcoop

Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 02:50



There have been unexpected frustrations  writing for this site.  Who knew you had to be like the new hero who rides into town and shows the townspeople that you are the fastest gun in the west ... that you have to be quick on the draw or rather the keyboard.  I had the idea in my title 2 days ago.  Just this minute, Rachel Maddow opened her program with it (David Sirota is on this very minute enlucidating it very well).  

Earlier in the day,  I imagined Lucy snatching the football away in Peanuts...Lucy being the Republicans and Obama being Charlie Brown and the football the stimulus bill.  Nice metaphor with  the added benefit of being very true. ..Who knew that if you weren't a speed queen that Keith Olbermann would open his show with exactly that metaphor.  Grrr....Arrgh!

So I don't get the the pride of being the first, but that is actually, on sober reflection,...really terrific. Why?

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Because it means I am part of a movement, part of some kind of coalition, adhoc and otherwise, of people who believe the same things about how we Democrats should govern to  advance the Democratic agenda in order to do right by this country.  

Because it means these ideas, thoughts and stances are cogent enough and obvious enough that they would occur to more than just one lonely person....alone at her keyboard...  Do it alone...you are in mourning, do it with lots of others, you're organizing (Mother Jones, gutsy doyenne of American labor)

I had these kinds of thoughts contrary to the common wisdom many years ago...the 70's, the 80's, the 90's.  After the anti war movement ended there was no community to share them with that was available to those of us who just had ordinary lives, who didn't make politics their professional lives....There was no one to connect with to try to do something to make progressive change. Now we do have a community and that community has become a major force for change....

We now have Maddow, Olbermann, Krugman who are top guns in the media. Unlike the 80's and especially the 90's when Bill Clinton, like sisyphus, had to push progressive measures uphill only to see them fall back down in a hostile media landscape; we are graced, defended and promoted by MEDIA who doesn't think all wisdom comes from the right.  

So steal my metaphors, Keith Olbermann...it makes me happy.  

So another NEWS FLASH!!!! WE WON.....THEY LOST

A member of the Village club actually said that on Countdown...Howard Fineman, a head courtier at Versailles...Olbermann asked Fineman if Barack Obama was glad that his matter of a fact and soigne statement "I WON" was leaked.


FINEMAN:  Barack Obama doesn't say anything by accident.  I have rarely, if ever, seen him do that.  He knew this was a room full people who like to yack.  Of course, it was going to get out.

And his point was, again, the Democrats won a historic victory in November.  They have huge majorities in both the House and the Senate.  And again, that's not an accident.  That's an expression of the will of the American people.  He might want to amend this statement to say, "Not only I won, but we won" in the case of the Democrats because that's really what he was saying.

Barack Obama won on November 4th, over 7% and 10 million votes.  The will of the people writ big .

Democrats won the House by a larger margin than Republicans have ever had in the modern era.  We will have 59 votes in the Senate. And may be on track to enlarge our numbers in the Senate.

We have overwhelming numbers, but Democrats...in the Senate, the House and yes, the White House, act like the Republicans still get to set the agenda.  No they don't.  Despite that, John McCain, who has been wooed by our new president, seems to be shocked, shocked that DEMOCRATS WROTE THE STIMULUS BILL!!!!.  How dare they act like the majority, like they won!!!!  

The voters rejected the Republicans on everything that mattered in this election...from the economy to regulation to Iraq to the environment to global warming and their upside down ideas of "justice"..

They don't want them to have a decisive voice in seting the agenda for anything.  They want US to do that.  

Memebers of the House, the Senate and as much as anyone else, Barack Obama himself,  needs to ACT LIKE THEY WON. They need to understand that Republicans want the Demomcraitc agenda to fail. Their "improvements" have this purpose only.

Democrats should go out into that street, remember that Republicans wear the black hat, Democrats the white ones.  Pass the stimulus bill that this country needs....big enough,and tax cut free enough  to make it up that icy hill. The townsfolk are depending on them.  

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disgusted-family planning funds to be cut bc GOP is Mad? (4.00 / 2)
absolutely. it looks worse and worse. now family planning funds are to be cut for gop tax cuts. sickening.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...

No, the GOP used it effectively as a wedge issue... (4.00 / 1)
...saying that stimulus funds would be used to buy condoms instead.  In typical fashion, the dems refused to refute, so they will just drop the "embarrassing" portion of the bill...

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yep (4.00 / 3)
god if fdr or lbj did concessions like this we'd have nothing today

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Good thing Obama's a Popular Wartime President! (4.00 / 1)

 Who would THINK of standing up to him?

 Oh wait a minute...

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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At some point soon (NOW is a good time) Republican ideas have to be attacked (4.00 / 1)
I know this sounds crazy, but Republicans can go crazy over contraception, but if they are allowed to have their fun I think it is not an issue that brings down the house. Answer the charge and move on. Obama and the Dems can control the agenda. Do it. Control the agenda. And at some time the Republicans charges will have to be answered not just factually but politically. Which means if they keep up the political attack their position has to be caricatured politically. That is what politics is and it does not stop after an election.  

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Exactly. (4.00 / 1)
Most of the country knows that Condoms Are Good.  Why do Dems act as if saying this will lose them votes?  People who don't believe that Condoms Are Good are not voting for Democrats anyway.

(Not that condoms being good is the only issue, but by way of example.)

Find cool stuff at goodeggshop.com


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It's called... (4.00 / 1)

 "Government by Republican Hissy Fit."

 Obama seems to be as prone to that as anyone.

 Oh well, at least we'll get non-wingnut judges. Maybe.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Certainly it has misogynistic undertones to it, as well. (4.00 / 2)
When we cede these points, we cede a confined role for women in society. Even affluent women who can well afford they're own family planning are marginalized in this argument, and we should be outraged by a concession to it.
 

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misogyneny (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, "hissy fit" isn't the right term to use, "tantrum" is gender-neutral and conveys the childishness of Republican behaviour better.

Hmm:

Government by Republican Tantrum (GBRT)
Rule by Republican Tantrum (RBRT)

In Atrios' comments there was also:
"Tantrumocracy"

Well, hopefully Atrios coins something.  He's really good at that (Shitpile, Friedman Unit, Good News For Republicans...)


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Deb: (4.00 / 1)
It is tough writing here.  I have lost track of the number of post ideas I come up with during the week that become obsolete by the time I sit down to write them because someone else already wrote it.  

But as you say, it is a good sign that there are more voices to make these points.  Liberalism has made some concrete media gains in the past few years, in Maddow we even have a real, live bona-fide liberal on TV every night.  Free at last.


Dan & Deb (4.00 / 3)
You don't have to be the first to write about something.  If Digby thought she had to be the first to write about something, her output would plummet five time faster than the stock market.  What you have to have is something significant or important to say about it.  And even that doesn't have to be original.

We are a movement, and reminding us of important facts, ideas, connections, historical background, etc. is a vital part of keeping a movement healthy growing and strong.  Repetition is important, because we learn through repetition.   Repetition without being repetitious is the ideal.  Like a theme and variation, or fugue.

So, if someone beats you to it somewhere else, link to it, and add something more. Go deeper, go backward, find parallels, there are many options.  Imagine you're in the same room just chatting with the person who got there first.  What would you say to them?    And if someone beats you to it here, believe me, elaborating on each other's ideas, observations and insights is a perfectly natural way for a site to develop a more coherent collective identity without imposing anything top-down.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Not just one election (0.00 / 0)
Democrats now have two big victories in a row, 2006 and 2008.  That makes it clear that 2008 was not an accident and not merely the result of the collapse of the Bush economy, which is really the wet dream/tax cut/corporate klepticracy writ embarrassingly large.

Two big election wins in a row is really the definition of a regime change along the lines of Paul Rosenberg's oft stated theory.  Those regime changes normally last 36 years or so and the strong wave usually carries through for (gasp) four elections.

If we don't cave and confirm with effective government that we campaigned on and what the American people want, Republicans in Congress can crawl under a rock for a good long time.  Republicans, radio commentators, and newspaper editorials may not have liked the New Deal but the voters sure did.  The elections of 1930, 1932, 1934, and 1936 were slam dunks.  It was only when Roosevelt pulled back due to the opposition of southern Democrats that Republicans started to get in the game at least a little.

Continue the wave, the pattern that subsumes the "normal pattern", and we add another 6 Senate seats and perhaps 20 House seats.  If Republicans go too crazy maybe 30 House seats.  Where?  California, the Northeast, the Great Lakes part of the Midwest, naybe a seat or two in Florida and one in Virginia (VA-10 if Frank Wolfe retires).


family planning money had not yet been threatened when I wrote this (4.00 / 3)
I was too nice and too easy on him.  He needs more than a pep talk.  

If he won't fight for family planning money for poor women,,,,what's going to happen when we need to make sure that within any new health care bill, private insurance covers contraceptives?  Nothing.

Contraceptives are basic medical care for women.  It seems that the only people who get discriminated against in this stimulus bill and maybe in the future are poor women.  

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


I've heard the argument that he will get it done elsewhere and (0.00 / 0)
is just trying to ram the stimulus bill through. That's clearly a rosy viewpoint, but hopefully one that will come to fruition.
 Just from a crass political standpoint, it would be hugely unhelpful to concede the issue so easily to the Republicans. It's much too early to be that kind of a patsy.

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Lucy and the football (0.00 / 0)
Atrios, I think, originated that one, and if KO now uses it, it's because Atrios ceaselessly repeated it until it became part of the language.

Same deal with Digby's the Village.

And I've even noticed that Versailles is starting to creep into the discourse.

Both being synonyms for the Beltway.

And that's how we take the language back -- one lethally honed bit of snark at a time. The difference is that the Conservatives were paid to do it. We do it from the bottom up.


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