Obama As A Reflection Of The Current Incarnation Of The Progressive Movement

by: Chris Bowers

Tue May 13, 2008 at 14:48


This article synthesizes several extant arguments that have appeared on Open Left into a new hypothesis. Despite the consternation that I, and others, have shown over Obama altering the progressive movement to become less partisan, less leftist, more compromising, and more conservative media friendly, Barack Obama is instead an excellent reflection of the current state of the progressive movement. Consider the following:
  1. The Medium is the Movement. Over the past two weeks, I have argued that the expansion of the number of cultural producers and pluralizing of the public sphere that has been brought on by the network neutral Internet is itself the progressive movement. Rather than the progressive netroots being the movement, the progressive netroots is simply a subset of a much larger social reorganization of individual relationships with cultural institutions. That larger re-organization is the contemporary progressive movement, not the more narrowly focused progressive netroots.

  2. Elite netroots demographics. Study after study after study has shown that progressive online political activists are relatively high income, extremely well-educated, intense media consumers, .and highly politically engaged. It is hard to characterize these demographics as anything but “elite,” although I think the notion of elites has gotten a bit of a bad rap in our political discourse lately. As John Stewart said, “not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who’s embarrassingly superior to me.”

  3. The elitism of bi-partisanship: On several occasions, I have argued about the inherent elitism of bi-partisanship and non-partisanship. Bi-partisanship makes voting choices less transparent, and more favorable to elite insiders. . Non-partisanship creates a funding structure that is far more favorable to wealthy donors than to small donors. And both cause declines in voter turnout, as people do not think the outcome of elections actually matter. Despite it’s seeming populism, anti-partisan positions are actually elitist, and generally the province of the wealthy, the highly engaged, and the already powerful.

  4. Progressivism vs. Populism In an excellent essay on Sunday evening, Paul Rosenberg contrasted early twentieth century progressivism with early twentieth century populism, and connected it to Obama. For Paul, the Obama movement is more like the elite, deliberative, goo-goo progressives rather than the common, outraged populists:

    (1) Obama’s primary orientation is that of a classic progressive.  He seeks prolonged deliberation, and seeks to draw people into that process who are not ordinarily engaged.  This is what he did as an organizer, and many people-perhaps including Obama himself-make the mistake of confusing his close contact with those he organized for somehow becoming one with them, rather than a prolonged attempt to make them more like himself.  Of course, some of those he organized may have wanted to be more like him, but it is clearly not the case that most people do.  Populism is a much more common orientation than progressivism.

    (2) Obama’s antipathy to partisanship is strikingly parallel to the classic progressives’ antipathy to populist outrage.  It is sharply at odds with the rationalist deliberative model that the classic progressive cherishes.  Yet, partisan outrage may be exactly what’s called for at this point in time.  It was certainly called for when Sinclair Lewis wrote The Jungle, for example.  But the progressives were morally asleep at the time, and it took another two decades for the Great Depression to deliver the opening for the workers Lewis described to get a modicum of the justice they deserved.

    (3) Obama’s remarks about “bitterness”-although touching on an important truth-legitimately did serve to crystalize his classic progressive attitudes that are experienced as “attempts at managerial purification [that] are paternalistic.”  [From Balkin’s essay.] Paternalism, in turn is taken to mean that one’s concerns are not really taken seriously.

    Yet, if the charge of paternalism was true-and I believe it was, however unintended-the second part, about concerns not being taken seriously, does not necessarily follow.   Indeed, from the classic progressive’s point of view, managerial purification is necessary in order to get amorphous concerns translated into policy terms as a form of pre-processing before policy deliberation proper can begin.  If one truly cares about people’s suffering, and wants to do something actually effective about it, then this is what one does, from the classic progressives’ point of view.

    Of course, I am not saying that Obama is identical with the progressives of 100 years, but the parallels are strong, indeed.  One thing that is significantly different is the relative numbers involved.  A century ago, the middle class progressive leadership was numerically quite small compared to the working class masses they wished to educate and tame.  Today’s middle class-economically imperiled though it may be-is dramatically larger, even moreso as a percentage of the electorate.

    It is important to remember that while the activist component of Obama’s campaign is impressive in numbers, with over 1.5 million donors and activists, and while it has done an impressive job of increasing voter turnout in Democratic primaries, it is still, ultimately, dominated by a new “mass elite.” That is, barely more than 1% 2.5% of Kerry voters have donated to Obama, and voter turnout in most primary states is still below 50%. While the numbers of highly engaged people have vastly increased over the past decade, the highly engaged still represent a type of “upper middle class,” elite, minority of the overall population.” The ranks of that elite are swelling, but it still isn’t a mass, populist movement (yet).

    Much the same can be said about the rapid expansion of cultural producers and the reorganization of the public sphere that has taken place as a result of the net-neutral Internet. While tens of millions of people have had their daily relationship with dominant cultural institutions altered by the net neutral Internet, at this stage in the development of the movement, most Americans, and certainly most people in the world, have not. Right now, it is more like the early twentieth century progressives, rather than the late nineteenth-century populists. The activist portion of the movement, while growing, is still dominated by people who fall into elite demographic categories. Those categories, partly due to the expansion of the middle class and the network-neutral Internet, just have a lot more people than they did at any point in the past.

  5. Synthesis: Obama reflects the contemporary state of the progressive movement. The contemporary progressive movement is steadily swelling its ranks, and continues to reorganize the relationships more and more individuals with dominant cultural institutions. However, at this point in time, the movement still only impacts what can be understood as more “elite” demographics, such as the highly educated, those with higher incomes, and those already highly engaged in both media consumption and political activism. Obama’s anti-partisan message appeals to this grow not despite the implied elitism of the message, but rather because of the elitism of the message. His message reflects the more “elite” concerns of the movement, rather than changing those concerns.

More in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Obama As A Reflection Of The Current Incarnation Of The Progressive Movement
Further support for this thesis can be seen in the demographic breakdown of Obama’s support, which is heavy both on non-partisan self-identifiers, on high-income voters, and on highly educated voters. This elite, anti-partisan message appeals to the growing progressive movement, which is largely de-moored from identification with dominant institutions like the Democratic Party, rather than changes the movement. It is a sort of creative class identity politics, which Obama appeals to both through his life story and his anti-partisan, pro-unity message.

Now, some will object that Howard Dean had a very different message than Obama, at least in terms of partisanship, and still received massive progressive movement support. However, an easy rebuttal is that Dean never received Obama’s level of support from the movement. Also, despite the good doctor’s emphasis on partisanship, Dean also had a profoundly anti-ideological, pro-unity, pro-hope message just like Obama.

Another objection that will be raised to this formulation is that I am characterizing both Obama and the netroots as elitists, which is exactly what Republicans will do. My first response is that well, we kind of are elites, when you look at our demographics. My second response is that 2008 is the first election year where the conservative backlash narrative against “liberal elites” and civil rights will find itself in a minority nationwide. In other words, the era of “liberal elites” as a negative is over in terms of its national political effectiveness. Consider, for example, how Obama has been hit harder with this characterization than even John Kerry or Michael Dukakis, and yet he continues to comfortably lead John McCain and cruise toward the nomination. The changing demographics of the electorate have rendered the “liberal elite” change functionally inert.

Finally, I should note that this conceptualization of Obama reflecting, rather than changing, the progressive movement, is a transitory one. As the network neutral Internet continues to alter the relationship with cultural institutions for an increasingly greater number of people, the demographics and concerns of the movement will also change. In other words, Obama is simply a step along the way, not the endpoint of the contemporary progressive movement. It is particularly important that the most unabashedly progressive part of his policy platform are his transformative telecom proposals, which will continue to foster the changes being brought on by the network-neutral Internet. As the movement continues to grow and spread, it will eventually move beyond Barack Obama, who at some point will come to reflect an outdated, past stage of the movement. Obama reflects where the movement is now, and will help grow the movement, but he is still only a step along the way. No one can say for certain what new developments and changes await the progressive movement in the future, but eventually the movement will leave Obama behind as well.  

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math mistake (0.00 / 0)
1.5/59 = 2.5% of Kerry voters have donated to Obama.  You’re probably confusing Kerry voters with all General Election voters.


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

 
Indeed I am (0.00 / 0)
Will fix. Thanks!

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

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Literature mistake (in Rosenbert excerpt) (0.00 / 0)
Sinclair Lewis wrote The Jungle?

 
Sorry — should read 'Rosenberg' of course n/t (0.00 / 0)


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Right–Upton Sinclair (0.00 / 0)


John McCain–He’s not who you think he is.

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Upton Sinclair Lewis And Clark (0.00 / 0)
I always get confused when I stumble into that law firm.

John McCain: US economic woes ‘psychological’

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The critical sentence (4.00 / 3)
From above:

In other words, Obama is simply a step along the way, not the endpoint of the contemporary progressive movement.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  I think that realizing this is of critical importance.  Many have argued against Obama from the left, and I don’t disagree with some of the objections tossed his way, even as a supporter.  Many of the criticisms are fairly and reasonably leveled, but far too often imply that “oh, terrific, this party yet again sucks, Obama isn’t a progressive, I can’t possibly support him in a meaningful way.”  The fact of the matter is that he really is the best we have at this moment in time.  

If you were to come up with a list of potential and viable presidential candidates for 2008, how many, and who, are more progressive than Barack Obama? There really aren’t many.  Russ Feingold is an obvious choice, and some might argue Al Gore (though I feel that’s debatable).  The point is that while he may not be the best, he’s probably in the top five or ten, and that’s huge.  When was the last time the Democratic Party nominated one of its five most progressive potential presidential candidates?  McGovern, perhaps?

The point is that we cannot expect this movement to have its endpoint right in this moment, critical as it may be.  The progressive moment may not even have a natural endpoint.  To compare where we are with where we want to be should be an exercise in making the next best step, not bemoaning how far away we are, protesting the dimness of the light at the end of the tunnel.  At this moment in 2008, Barack Obama is the next best step, and Chris (in one of his best all time posts, imho) lays out very clearly and neatly why that is.


 
Heh (0.00 / 0)
Well as you may have noticed, people are always talking past eachother. As someone (an Obama supporter) who is often on the other side of those fights, I can explain to you the problem.

It’s not that Obama is insufficiently pure and therefore gets attacked by silly purists, it is that in the desire to beat (and sometimes to humiliate) Clinton, many Obama supporters refuse to view his candidacy critically or admit the very point that Chris is making; that he isn’t the be-all and end-all of the movement. They defend his health care plan (I won’t get into a fight over the merits, but if the positions had been reversed no one would have jumped to Clinton’s defense), and they view any critical comment in the lense of the primary, assuming anyone who critiques him is a Clinton supporter.

It is irritating, and it causes the exact problem I wrote about below, and that Chris and Paul have written about. We lose any levarage to effect the campaign. By failing to hold him accountable on health care, going on Fox, cutting out the netroots, etc. we’re giving him the option to do whatever he wants, including tacking way right, without any fear that he will lose support.

You seem to think that Obama critics don’t realize that he isn’t the endpoint of the progressive movement. Yet I’ve criticized him because I’m afraid his supporters have the same problem. An interesting dilemma, no?

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


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Interesting (4.00 / 2)
1) Isn’t the difference between Dean and Obama that Dean was very much trying to make the Party into the movement? Wasn’t that sort of the point of the 50 State Strategy and trying to empower the “Democratic wing of the Democratic Party”? Obama, on the other hand, is very much making the Obama Campaign the movement, which is both worrisome and inherently shorter term.

2) What can we do about this in the short term? Your post seems less critical than Paul’s, but I really think it is a problem. Maybe we just have to wing it as we go, but it seems like we need to find a way to really exert leverage on him. Off the top of my head, I could see an “Obama supporters for Universal Health Care” campaign being really effective. Have an outside website, but also promote it on MyBarackObama and Facebook and Myspace. Bring the mandate issue directly to his supporters. Just a thought.

3) What can we do about this in the long term? One reason I think Obama has been able to do this is that he is actually uniquely able to bring together the “creative class” types and the African American base of the party. If those groups were able to better function in concert within the progressive movement, we’d be able to regularly take on the older Democratic machine in the way that Obama was able to. The problem is, right now those groups aren’t unified, and the movement is still largely demographically white, educated and upper class. We need to fight to broaden the demographics of the movement and build channels of communication, not just hope that those things will happen.

4) How funny is it going to be to watch DailyKos implode if this guy gets elected? How long did it take them to turn on Nancy Pelosi? Three weeks?

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


 
Perhpas I am less worried (4.00 / 1)
But I think that stems from my growing view of the progressive movement as a vastly, decentralized, and destablizing cultural force that just won’t stick with Obama forever. Eventually, as the movement grows and as Obama settles into power, I do expect the movement to turn on Obama much like it turned on Pelosi. The interestes of the movement will continue to evolve as well, as more people enter it.

Perhaps I am being overly determinist and confident here, but I think the switch is inevtiable, starting in 2009.  

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion


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Ok (4.00 / 1)
But what if Obama manages to keep relative control over the networks he’s built? Maye not his fans on Daily Kos and whatnot, but the millions who are interacting with the campaign more directly through his networking sites, emails and volunteering?

It seems to me that figuring out how to integrate those people into more progressive, left oriented attempts to hold him accountable is probably vital, right? Otherwise we end up with a fractured movement. The open left vs. the Obama machine or whatever.

It is awfully easy to have a unified movement when George Bush is president because everything he proposes is evil. And even then, you get plenty of heated debate. When it is a moderate/liberal Democrat with a wide base of support among creative class Liberals proposing good but not great legislation, I just don’t see us being able to exert any pressure at all unless there is a real concerted effort to do so. And I really do think that means undermining the social networks he’s built, and trying to inject serious critiques into them.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


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The movement won't be unified. (0.00 / 0)
It won’t even really be one “movement” at all. Many who have worked together before will be on different sides during an Obama administration.

It’s the necessary evil that accompanies the entrance of the netroots’ ideas and people into the political mainstream. We’re just beginning.  


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Yes! (0.00 / 0)
Absolutely. To an extent, the election of Obama will validate his politics as “centrist” (in Versailles-speak) or at least “center-left”. The entire spectrum will move a bit leftward. Far from co-opting the left, I expect that Obama will receive ample criticism from the left when his actions warrant it – and they will.

Politicians and ideologues work in concert whether they want to or not.  


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Yeah, I Think Pelosi Has Been Unfairly Demonized (0.00 / 0)
Mostly, she’s catching hell for stuff she–as the leader of a consensus-based body of wild cats–really can’t control that well.

But, in terms of what’s best for the country as a whole, it’s unfortunate for her, better for us overall that people are blaming her, rather than sitting still for it.

OTOH, given what I’ve heard from Obama so far, and the power that the presidency has, I think he will richly deserve a good deal of criticism.  So here’s hoping you are 100% correct to draw this analogy.

Especially when it comes to those life and death issues, like saving the planet from a climate meltdown.

John McCain: US economic woes ‘psychological’


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Probably the most cogent (4.00 / 1)
explanation of why Obama is such a dismal candidate that I have yet seen.  

Obama leads the same classist, elitist politics that lost elections my entire life.  You say:

“In other words, the era of “liberal elites” as a negative is over in terms of its national political effectiveness. Consider, for example, how Obama has been hit harder with this characterization than even John Kerry or Michael Dukakis, and yet he continues to comfortably lead John McCain and cruise toward the nomination. The changing demographics of the electorate have rendered the “liberal elite” change functionally inert.”

You really must be joking, to say something like this on the day that Obama is predicted to lose West Virginia by a large margin.  

You remember that Dukakis lead Bush by over 15 points in the mid summer of 1988.  If you don’t remember, surely you heard it.  Hence, Obama’s closer lead today hardly makes the comparison helpful.

It’s unfortunate that people need to learn the same lessons six or seven times before they take hold.  


 
In 2004 Kerry lead bush by a wide margin in March (0.00 / 0)
It’s a natural result after the end of a successful primary campaign.  It could hold or it could not

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Elite – Populist: are they opposites? (0.00 / 0)
Is it true that elites can’t be populists?  One thing that struck me, though it may be a side issue, is that elitism is posed as something incompatible with populism.  I don’t see why “the best” (elites) can’t also be populists (“concerned with the interests of ‘ordinary’ people), just as FDR, JFK, Robert F. Kennedy or others have in time.

Elite is often confounded with “aloof”.

It would be different if Obama’s concerns were disconnected from the issues of ordinary people (Iraq, economy, global warming, …) and/or doing so in ways that don’t impact them.


 
Elite v. elitist (0.00 / 0)
Elites aren’t the problem – elitists are.

The problem that the Obama/Mondale coalition runs into is that at base, it doesn’t respect the values of working people.  They see working people are victims they want to help.  They have disdain for their middle-class values. They’re smug and disconnected from the reality of living paycheck to paycheck.  


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Lord knows (4.00 / 1)
that smug disconnected 90+% African Americans don’t know a thing about the values of hard working people.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

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The REAL Worry is… (0.00 / 0)
that the people themselves will fail to mobilize and force accountability.  

Today yet another story emerges about Obama calling for a cease-funding of outside campaigns.  There are two critical problems with this, at least from the pov of the upcoming election and potential presidency of Barack Obama:

1. One-legged racing: Hillary Clinton’s kitchen sink strategy shaped Obama’s public relations efforts, reducing his advertising strategy to a defensive posture.  Her 3 a.m. ad, now frequently considered a punchline – nevertheless, got its message across effectively, forcing Obama to have to answer – with an expensive 3 a.m. ad of his own.  527s can provide breathing room for the campaign to have its own forward message while bringing up the rear.  YES, that’s old politics – but the general election is a one-shot, winner take all deal – it isn’t  a sequential point/counterpoint effort. One negative ad can change the course of the election.  I intend to contribute, no matter what Obama says, to such groups as have something intelligent to say in support of an Obama presidency.

2. Overcentralization.  Power concedes nothing without a fight – and a movement built on the little people has LESS accountability than one built on the backs of powerful donors.  Say what???  Powerful donors, with their HUGE contributions, or other resources, can promise to withhold those resources unless you play ball with them.  Small donors can demand nothing, unless they are organized – and if they are organized by the same central authority they are supposed to be holding accountable, there is no check and balance.  

Obama says “we are the change that we seek.”  If so, and I believe it is true, then we are responsible ourselves, for creating effective organizations that both plug into the central juggernaut, and are capable of withdrawing from it, or otherwise holding it accountable.

I reiterate my point about the Issues section of the Obama 08 website, in which we are invited to propose policy solutions.  We need to flood those sites with policy proposals, and insist upon the campaign responding to the fact that people are engaged in a bottom-up movement.

QT

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Bottom up movement? (0.00 / 0)
Perhaps the real structural acheivement of the internet is the creation of an illusion of participation and greater democracy.

Obama isn’t a “bottom up” movement.  To the extent there is a “movement” it exists in the blogosphere, which Obama feels completely free to ignore.  He isn’t any more beholden to your ideas than my Senator is to mine, or George Bush is to either of us.

What exactly are you going to do if Obama continues not to listen to you?  As a Clinton supporter, I’m told that I owe the Democratic party my vote and my hard earned money, because McCain is unacceptable.  The same logic applies to Obama supporters.  You don’t have an option “B” anymore. You’re going to get all your friends together and withhold your money and support Nader, or Kucinich?   As a captive to the process, like everyone else, how can you “insist” on anything – and what, exactly have you been “insisting” on until now?  You must have been insisting a Lieberman-lite candidate, because that’s what you’ve got.

“We are the change we seek” isn’t just garbled syntax and meaningless – it’s a scam.  You don’t have any control over your “movement.”  If your $100 doesn’t come through for Obama, his pollsters and marketers will find that $100 from someone else.  If a real movement, partcularly a movement of grassroots activists, had any control over Obama, he would stand for something other than the standard Democratic centrist line.  


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Well – hang on there… 😉 (4.00 / 1)
I think you’ve extended too far.  Obama’s change movement is indeed a change, and a welcome one.  While we are considerably vulnerable IF we don’t organize ourselves to challenge Obama’s structure, we are absolutely powerless in the face of the lobbyists and their backroom deals.  So – no, there’s progress having been made.  BUT… and this is a big BUT…

Obama keeps saying “We” and not “he.”  And, whenever I read commentary, with the exception of this site, I keep hearing “he” and not “we.”  It is a fundamental mistake.  

My $100 is absolutely meaningless compared to the lots of hundreds trickling in from everywhere.  BUT, my $100 is just as powerful in aggregate in protest, as it is in aggregate in support.  What I’m saying is – strong organizations separate from the main authority are necessary. What I’m ALSO saying is that if the netroots community is seriously wondering how to be a part of and affect the candidate – it needs to seriously leverage the tools the candidate offers for access – while at the same time building outside of the the candidate’s organization.

QT

Visit the Obama Project

Searching for John McCain?


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How so? (0.00 / 0)
Obama’s movement has nothing to do with change, as far as I can see.  He has no strong policy proposals to limit the influence of lobbyists, for example.  He isn’t offering anything, except the same empty rhetoric Ronald Reagan did in 1980.

Obama’s collecting your $100 is not driven from the bottom up, but from the top down, through marketing and polling.  If you or the blogosphere becomes disenchanted, you can’t compete with Obama, or even particularly damage him, no matter how many friends you have, no matter how many emails you send out, or how many blogposts you make, unless you have his capital to coordinate a campaign that involves all aspects of media, through sophisticated marketing.  Without that, you can be demonized and thwarted through too many channels, and can’t defend yourself.  

In order to have a “strong organization,” you need to  build a capital intensive structure.  When you do that, you become the establishment.



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Well – obviously we disagree (0.00 / 0)
Pockets of coalitions are quite effective in elevating a voice and withholding support at key moments.  My $100 (as you call it) is not what I’m talking about.  I’m talking about me and like minded others (about whatever it is we’re likeminded about).  Of course, I don’t count much – I’m not likeminded about hardly anything with hardly anyone here.  But seems like lots of people here are likeminded, so I’m mentioning that the ground work to be done needs to be done, no matter what Obama says.

And – it seems rather odd to see such a strong naysayer on the subject of grassroots organizing here on a leftist board.  Or should I read that as meaning you’re here more as a detractor than anything else?

Finally, I guess I don’t know what you consider “change.”  I consider it change when the candidate doesn’t stoop to the lowest common denominator. I consider his transparency initiatives change.  I consider his willingness to create a groundswell of volunteer support, including financial support, change.  That I can see  some flaws in the plan doesn’t mean I’m knocking the plan altogether – just that I see where there’s room for improvement, and opportuniy for abuse.  What system is there that fails to meet those two criteria?  I don’t know of any…

QT

Visit the Obama Project

Searching for John McCain?


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Oddness everywhere. (0.00 / 0)
I find it odd that supposed grassroots advocates could consider Obama a “movement.”  He’s corporate.  He ignores the grassroots.  He is a good marketer.  That’s all.  You say the “plan” is flawed – the main flaw is that you can’t even describe the plan.  

I have no idea what you mean by his “willingness” to create a groundswell of popular support.  He seeks out small donors, like Dean did, very effectively.  But he is selling roughly the same product as Clinton, Dean, Pelosi, etc.  What is it that people think they are supporting?

I don’t even know what you mean by “pockets of coalitions” being effective in elevating a voice or withholding support at key moments.  The anti-war movement can’t get the Senate to force a timeline on Iraq.  The congress can’t even defend SCHIP.  Ned Lamont went down in flames.  I can’t think of any recent examples of a coaltion that was not positioned well within the seat of power “elevating” a voice at a key moment that made any difference.  Do you have an example in mind?  

I keep trying to understand this “movement” – but I keep getting tepid or evasive answers.  The best you can offer is that Obama is a nice guy and that he has small donors.  That’s why Chris is reduced to arguing that the medium is the message – because there isn’t any message, or there is a such a tiny message it would be embarrassing to call it a movement.  That isn’t just odd, it’s postiviely frightening.  I can’t imagine considering myself being a member of a movement, and not being able to describe its message.  “Cultlike” is a little strong.  Instead, I think the Obama “movement” is an exercise in classism and narcissism.  What other conclusion can one come to if there is a movement without a message, especially one that is so enamoured of its own existence (“we are the change we seek”)?  

As to me being a naysayer, my general posture of requiring specificity and rejecting empty promises is what iiconsider absolutely essential for being a member of what used to be the reality based community.


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Kudos! (4.00 / 1)
First Of All…

It’s really invogorating to see a post like this that pulls together a bunch of different threads that have been weaving through the site in different diaries and comment threads.

This is precisely the sort of political discourse–not just the content, but the dialogic form–that America has had far too little of for far too long, and that the internet makes possible, but by no means assures.

It is also the #1 reason I am here at Open Left.  Yes, I like all the superwonky, “look at the fourth derivative of the Polish-Polynesian creative class vote shift in the special election exit polls!”–And I really start to feel like I’ve got a vitamin deficiency if I go too long without writing one of those myself.  But it’s posts like this that are heart and soul of it all.

So kudos!

Second, about those elites…

I think it’s really important to recognize that we’re talking about a certain kind of elite that’s quite, quite different from traditional elites.  Traditional elites are all about social dominance and social power–much of which is inherited. (Shades of “What Is Conservatism And What Is Wrong With It.”)  The elites we’re talking about here are largely either meritocratic or self-selected.  They are the nerds of that essay about nerds in high school that you linked to about 6 weeks ago, and they are also some of the freaks, too.  Those that might not test that high, and might not have that drive to understand, that delight in figuring stuff out, but are none-the-less oriented away from the herd.  They are not the rich kids, or the kool kids, or the jocks.  They are not the owners and controllers of our world.

Yet, together, these are the folks who can make a new reality.  They’ve done it before, many, many times.  The trick is, can they listen well enough to the rest of the society–a society that hasn’t always been too kind to them, but that could be a whole lot better place for all of us, if only we found the right ways of listening.

One model for this is my experience as a programmer, being told by some manager or owner what they wanted, and then going to the end users, and finding out that what was needed was something completely different than what I’d been told.  So, what happens when we listen to Jim Christian, say, instead of James Dobson?  And how do we come up with ways of doing that much more regularly?

Above all, how do we come to value this?  Because an elite that’s really interested in listening to the concert of the whole society really just might be qualified to do something about it.

John McCain: US economic woes ‘psychological’


 
Nerds (0.00 / 0)
I remember in high school, sometimes the cool kids would pretend to be friends with a nerd, because the nerd could give them something – answers to a test, access to his hot sister, whatever.  If you’re a cool kid, being nice to some nerd can make you cooler, if you play it right, give you a reputation for compassion and confidence or being brighter than you seem.  The nerd either lacks the social skills to understand he or she is being played, or tolerates it because it boosts his or her self-esteem a little.

Obama isn’t a nerd.  Why is it he wants to hang with you?


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I don't know how (0.00 / 0)
you get out of bed in the morning.  I’m not being overly critical, but you are an extremely pessimistic person.  

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I call it (0.00 / 0)
being an adult, and living in an age that calls for extreme cynicism toward politicians.  Dealing forthrightly with reality sets you free.

Politics by its nature is a pessimistic business.  If you are living at the tail end of one of the most catastrophic presidencies on record, watching the Supreme Court hand the presidency to an unqualified empty suit, witnessing a failed war of aggression, you would be strongly advised to give pessimism a try.

As to whether I’m a pessimistic “person” rather than a realist about my era – that’s another question that you know nothing about.  I have fulfilling work, a wonderful family, and a blessed life.   Hope you’re doing well too.  


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I agree. (0.00 / 0)
I work with elites (PHD’s at a university).  Obviously, they are intelligent people, but a few are completely out of touch with reality.  It can be very difficult to prove to them that although it worked on paper, reality just burnt up the paper.  There are other researchers who will show you their thesis and then actually listen to your opinion and even change their protocal accordingly.  As this relates to Obama or any leader, it is not critical for him to have all the right policies, it is his challenge to have the right policies signed into law.  As you say listen to the whole society.

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How Obama Really Reflects the Current Progressive Movement (0.00 / 0)
IMO:

A couple years ago, there was an active, angry, reality-based, compromising progressive movement online.  Dozens of sites and organizations called out both Republicans and Democrats on positions that were contrary to a liberal agenda.

Then, the Presidential primary changed everything.  The blogs and progressive websites, sensing an opportunity to have power and influence, couldn’t make an impact being themselves.  Throwing their weight behind Kucinich would only confirm their irrelevancy.  So, they decided that the only way to make an impact was to run against the Democratic establishment, whatever that was, exactly.  After they had weakened or defeated that establishment, they would create their vision of the party.

Because they hungered for power, they made an alliance with power, and adopted another corporate, centrist candidate as their battering ram.  That centrist candidate promised them nothing.  The progressive movement decided that either the centrist candidate was in his heart with them, or that they could push him to their side after the old Democratic establishment was vanquished. Because the progressive movement didn’t have a plan, a simple promise of “change” and “hope” without specifics was very appealing to them.

So, far left politics joined a middle-of-the-road campaign, in the hopes of gaining a foothold in a new established order.

But, in the end, the centrist candidate will still owe them nothing more than he owes any other interest group.  The centrist candidate will make alliances with the old order, because it will be in his interest to consolidate his position.

And the progressive movement, and the internet bloggers will have sold their souls for a shot at gaining a little power in the establishment, all the while pretending they have disdain for being part of the powerful, elitist order.


 
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