The Truth About Broderism and Lieberdems

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 13:20


Two weeks ago, I claimed we were reaching "Peak I Told You So's," where the progressive base was consistently proven to be right about everything. Well, maybe we haven't reach the peak just yet.

For one thing, in case there was any remaining doubt about Joe Lieberman functionally serving as a mouthpiece for the Bush administration and its policies, now Cheney is hanging out in Lieberman's office:

A source tells us that Vice President Dick Cheney was spotted entering Joe Lieberman's Senate office today.

The Veep's press office confirms it. We'll be bringing you more on what happened soon...

And the "dean" of Lieberman defenders, David Broder, is accepting huge speaking fees from corporate PAC's on policy issues that Broder focuses on, such as health care. Harper's has the gory details on this one, documenting Broder speaking before multiple corporate health care consortiums, the Northern Virginia Association of Realtors, the National Association of Manufacturers, The American Council for Capital Formation, and a holiday cruise company. This is even though, back in the 1990's, Broder wrote the following:

It's clear that some journalists now are in a market category where the amount of money that they can make on extracurricular activities raises, in my mind, exactly, and, clearly, in the public's mind, exactly the same kind of conflict-of-interest questions that we are constantly raising with people in public life. . . .

People think that we are part of the establishment and therefore part of the problem. I mean, what bothers me is the notion that journalists believe, or some journalists believe, that they can have their cake and eat it too, that you can have all of the special privileges, access and extraordinary freedom that you have because you are a journalist operating in a society which protects journalism to a greater degree than any other country in the world, and at the same time you can be a policy advocate. You can be a public performer on the lecture circuit or television. I think that's greedy.

And two years ago, he wrote the following:

"The murky area, the ones where I need to check are the ones where I get an invitation from a business group," says the Washington Post's David Broder. "We don't want to be involved with people who have too much of a stake in anything. For example, I'm doing a lot of stuff on health care so I would not speak to any group that's a major player in the health care thing."

The progressive blogosphere has a longstanding argument that so-called "bi-partisanship" is really just wealthy media and political elites drowning in the corporate trough while providing cover for conservative politicians and legislation. With Lieberman not only endorsing McCain but hanging out with Cheney, and with the ultimate proponent of non-partisanship, David Broder, mopping up huge speaking fees from corporate PAC's, it is hard to come out with any other reading other than the one we DFH's have long provided. The elite railing against partisanship is really just corporatism and conservatism sold with a better package. As the two biggest icons of elite, anti-partisan sentiment, Broder and Lieberman are proof of this thesis all by themselves.

During the primaries, there were a lot of Obama supporters in the blogosphere we accepted his "post-partisan' argument, and scolded many bloggers for continuing to be partisan. However, when many of us bloggers hear about the need for anti-partisanship, bi-partisanship, or post-partisanship, for years the likes of David Broder and Joe Lieberman have been held up as the highest examples. I haven't heard much of this talk from Obama recently, but for a long time it sounded uncomfortably similar to what we have heard for years from Lieberman and Broder. If one heard Obama but lacked the recent historical context of how anti-partisan rhetoric has been used, hopefully these further revelations about Lieberman and Broder make it much clearer.  

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Hear, hear. (4.00 / 1)
National Journal is wrong.  After the election our effort to agitate for progressive reform becomes even more important.

Talking about Iran? nt. (0.00 / 0)


Because sellouts call their betrayals post-partisan (0.00 / 0)
Re Matts historical analysis of Obama's populist speech, in context of for example FDR's original policies before the convention and the growth, drift or development of a President's style, I hold my tinder dry on whether anyone who used that phrase is also a Lieberman.

Thanks for the heads up on such exposure. A well trained skill at detecting self serving lies is the first needed lesson of a 21st Century Citizen.

Obama The future we have always deserved. I trust Obama to choose a VP


John McCain wants to privatize Social Security.


for many reasons (4.00 / 3)
People on the left are more subseptible to this kind of x-partisan appeal.  We really do wonder "can't we all just get along"?  

Those of us that recognize the necessity of fighting the right tooth and nail are seen distastefully by those on the left who (I argue) have yet to experience the fact that you really can't reason with the leadership of the right.  They're not amenable to it, because they're either deluded or working at ulterior motives and any semblance of debate they engage in is just as a distraction or tool.

Our ideals call for Jeffersonian debate and high rationality to win out.  In that sense, liberal ideals are post-partisan because they're the ones most based on empirical evidence and rationality.  Any compromise we make with the right is merely to placate the irrational and the selfish who seek suboptimal solutions for narrow benefit (or worse, no benefit).  That might be fine if they were engaging in these fights in good faith.  They're not.  So we have to fight or we really are just attempting to appease the unappeasable.

So this desire to seek unity and consensus has been exploited ably by those who either recognized this feature in the left wing mentality or stumbled on it.  In Solomon's judgement, we are the ones who would rather give the baby up than cut it in half.

That's how they governed when in power too.  They didn't want a landslide.  51% was all Rove sought.  

John McCain is anti-choice


It's more subtle (4.00 / 1)
I've argued many times, and will continue to argue, that Obama's post-partisan rhetoric has two distinct components:  (1) an appeal to moderate, nominal GOPers and Indies to come over and vote for him without making them feel that they have to become Dems or renounce their past to do so and (2) an attempt to move the wedge and to isolate the GOP leadership as the far-right hacks that they are.  These are in some degree two sides of the same coin, in that they are both part of moving the wedge (or the center) to the left, but they are not the same thing.  Obama isn't talking about the same thing as Broder and Lieberman; they are covers for corporatism, as you and Chris say.  But watch Obama--he knows he has to hit the right, but he is always going to hit the GOP leadership, not the followers.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Thoughtfully written, Chris (4.00 / 1)
When I hear Obama talk about the need for "post-partisan" consensus building (although I have never personally heard him use this term) my hope is that he is talking in the vein of What's the Matter With Kansas and not in the vein of Lieberman.  That is to say, that we as a nation can rise above  those divisions that always generate more heat than light and make real progress on those issues that will benefit us all.  Issues like health care, climate change, and poverty.

Of course, it's a hope and not a guarantee.  You are right to be skeptical and to advocate skepticism.

John McCain, just like that.



Obama's first act as nominee (4.00 / 2)
Was to ban PAC contributions to the DNC. He's walking the walk.

I've always thought the reformers in the online left misread Obama's bipartisan efforts as postpartisan. Obama was just telling the truth when he said sometimes Republicans have good ideas. Tom Coburn has better ideas about government reform than Joe Lieberman. Sam Brownback has a better handle on humanitarian foreign aid than Mark Pryor. Richard Lugar has a better grasp of arms control then Bill Nelson. I think Obama sees more stable partnerships for reform among ideologues on the right (Coburn, Brownback) or with rock-ribbed Republicans (Lugar) then with the DLC crowd.

Obama has never been part of the DLC corporate crowd and the legitimate crusade against corporate middle mushmen like David Broder and Mark Penn and Joe Lieberman seems like it was always a crusade that mistargeted Obama because of his style, not his substance. There's post-partisan smoke with Obama but no fire. The guy is a stone pragmatist with a core progressive beliefs and he's not...selling...out. IMHO Obama hasn't changed. What has changed is the waxing and waning 'post-partisan' critiques of Obama which cycle from paranoid to tolerant to paranoid again.

Obama wants ideology in government, not middlemonging. If there are stronger partnerships on the right on narrow issues (open government, securing nukes, aid to Congo) then that's where he's going to work, NOT among the mush of the corporate middle who ask "What's in it for me?" first, last and always.

John McCain


And what about naming the (4.00 / 1)
head of the Hamilton Project as his economic director? If that's not corporate middle, what is?  

[ Parent ]
Hamilton Project (4.00 / 1)
Have you seen that reflected in his policy proposals or lack thereof? Just curious.

Chomsky Fever!
John McCain sucks.


[ Parent ]
That is the concern. (4.00 / 2)
He voted for the Peru Unfair Trade Agrement.  His rhetoric has been populist lately (when he speaks to the SEIU), but this is a message unions heard too clearly.  Yes, I think he's going to go in the direction of the Hamilton Project, unless there are contervailing forces.  

"For years we've expressed strong concerns about corporate influence on the Democratic Party," John Sweeney, president of the AFL-CIO.

snip

In his statement criticizing Mr. Furman's appointment, Mr. Sweeney said, "The fact that our country's economic policies have become so dominated by the Wall Street agenda - and that it is causing working families real pain - is a top issue we will be raising with Senator Obama."

"It's surprising because this guy seems to feel that Wal-Mart's low-wage, low-benefit business model is good for America. That's just flat-out wrong," the executive director of Wal-Mart Watch, David Nassar, said.

"This guy helped to lend credibility to the Wal-Mart business model. That was disappointing then and it's disappointing now given this position," said Mr. Nassar, whose group is backed by a board that includes the president of the Service Employees International Union, Andrew Stern.

Mr. Nassar quickly added that he was "not critiquing the Obama campaign."

"We are very much taken aback that Furman has been put at the head of this team," said Marco Trbovich, a senior aide to United Steelworkers President Leo W. Gerard, whose support is considered crucial to Obama's success in heavily unionized areas of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Minnesota and other battleground states.


[ Parent ]
Kumbaya? Or "Don't make me hit you"? (0.00 / 0)
My allergic reaction to Obama's post-partisan happy talk is why I favored Edwards. But now I am starting to think that Obama's message is less "let's compromise between good policies and sucky policies" and more "I will happily work with any Republican who actually favors good policies." I think this could be a strategic posture. He positions himself as the one willing to reach across the aisle for the good of the country, while setting up Republicans to be the bad guys when they fight policies that most of the public want. He can be all "Hey, I tried to work across party lines to deliver affordable universal healthcare, but The Republicans made it clear that they had no interest in that goal. What am I supposed to do? I've got to stick to my principles and fight for what's right."

Chomsky Fever!
John McCain sucks.


[ Parent ]
Exactly. (0.00 / 0)
He's setting up to isolate the right wing where it belongs, on the far right, and move the center to the left.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

[ Parent ]
Yep (0.00 / 0)
I think yours and joejoejoe's comments sum up and explain a lot of the attitude towards working with the right pretty well; even with people whom we can pretty much all agree are at least a wee bit insane (Coburn being a prime example).  Is Coburn a nut about anything to do with human sexuality, particularly roving gangs of teen-age lesbians taking over high school bathrooms?  Absolutely.  Let's face it, he's fucking crazy.

Funny thing is, he's also far more committed to government transparency and a balanced budget than most of the Democratic caucus.  Does that make him any less insane or repugnant on most issues?  Nope, but it does mean one more vote in favor of good policy.  You work with people who agree with you on important policies, and you can work against those same people on other issues.

I think a lot of the whole "post-partisan" thing really just amounts to bringing a certain amount of professionalism back into government.  You can work with people on some issues, not on others.  Not at all complicated in theory, of course, but unfortunately much more so in practice.


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I also say "exactly" (0.00 / 0)
Also, a brief note on what I'll call the 3 models of Democratic bipartisanship:

1. Quisling- Give the Republicans 95% of what they want.  Call the result "bipartisanship."  Examples: Bush tax cuts, Iraq war.  Noted practioner: Joe Lieberman
2. Symbolic- Work with Republicans to pass pointless legislation.  Examples: Clinton-Bennett (R-UT) bill to criminalize flag burning, anti-Moveon vote.  Different from Quisling because it doesn't result in a horrible public policy, but is just pretty stupid.
3. Practical progressive- find Republican support for progressive ideas.  Thus, seek out Lugar on nonproliferation, Coburn on governmental transparency, Bond on improving mental health care services provided to returning soldiers.

I see model #3 as Obama's method (and of course all of my examples are stuff he did)

John McCain: Healthcare for kids?  In America?  No way.  


[ Parent ]
You totally nail Broder with his own words, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
Good job.

Obama was never talking to the media obsessed (4.00 / 1)
He was talking to those disinterested in politics.

So thats where the misunderstanding comes.

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