We Are Not All On The Same Team

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 16:30:00 PM EST


The following is a variation on a fairly common sentiment that I hear both online and offline about the primaries, or really whenever Democrats argue with one another:

So now, if you're a Hillary supporter, you're not a real Democrat?

Fuck that noise. There are passionate, hard-working progressive Democrats who support every single one of our candidates, Hillary included.

And I'm sick of diaries that insinuate to the contrary.

Oh, I know, it's primary season. That's just how things are.

Bullshit. We're adults. Let's act like adults.

We're allies. Let's act like allies.

I don't in any way mean to pick on this diarist from Daily Kos that wrote these words. Also, I would state that of course it is possible to be a real Democrat and support Hillary Clinton, and it is also possible to be a "real" progressive and support Clinton. Instead, what I want to take issue with is the notion that all self-identified Democrats are "allies."

The simple fact is that not all self-identified Democrats, including all Democrats in Congress, are our allies. This was made repeatedly clear to me back in 2006, and I am tired of variations on the circular firing squad line being used to defend criticism of Democrats. For starters, the following five Senators are absolutely not our allies, and should not be considered such:

  • Carper (D-DE)
  • Pryor (D-AR)
  • Salazar (D-CO)
  • Nelson (D-NE)
  • Landrieu (D-LA)

In no uncertain terms, these five Senators made it clear that they are not allies of the Democratic Party. This is because all five of them endorsed a candidate who was running against the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Connecticut in 2006. If they were our allies, if we were all on the same team, then they would have endorsed the Democratic nominee in Connecticut. Period. End of story. Since they did not, it is clear that whatever relationship they have with "us" is one of convenience that will be broken whenever it suits their personal interests. And the ten Senators who failed to endorse one way or the other in the primary general, including President Bill Clinton himself, are not much better:

  • Baucus (D-MT)
  • Bingaman (D-NM)
  • Conrad (D-ND)
  • Dorgan (D-ND)
  • Johnson (D-SD)
  • Levin (D-MI)
  • Lincoln (D-AR)
  • Mikulski (D-MD)
  • Nelson  (D-FL)
  • Sabarnes (D-MD)

This is very simple: if you don't endorse some Democratic nominees, you don't get to say that you are on the same team with those endorse all Democratic nominees. People who undertake those different actions are on different teams. Or, more accurately, those who endorse all Democratic nominees are on a team, while those who selectively endorse are on a team of one.

And it doesn't stop there, either. Even before the 2006 election, I was told by some Democrats that I had already lost:

Representative Ellen O. Tauscher of California, a co-chairwoman of the 47-member New Democrat Coalition, said that 27 of the top 40 contested House seats were being pursued by Democrats who have pledged to become members of the group, which says its chief issues are national security and fiscal responsibility.

"I think there's tremendous agreement and awareness that getting the majority and running over the left cliff is what our Republican opponents would dearly love," Ms. Tauscher said, adding that this was something "we've got to fight."

And after the election, I was told the same thing:

In this election, both the Religious Right and the secular Left were defeated, and the voice of the moral center was heard.

Don't tell me that I lost the election, and then try and tell me that we are all on the same team. Don't tell me that people who endorsed Lieberman are on the same team with me. We are not all on the same team. That much has been made clear.

Are most Democrats on the same team? Sure. In fact, I would estimate that about two-thirds of Democrats are on the same team (which is about the percentage of Democrats at both the leadership and rank and file level who supported Lamont by the end). But for the rest, it is simply a marriage of convenience. They will break off and form their own team if and when it becomes more politically convenient for them to do so.

And sure, there are people on the left who aren't on the team either. Many people consider themselves progressives before they consider themselves Democrats, and as such will sometimes endorse non-Democratic third-party candidates. However, what I am arguing here isn't a left-right division, but rather simply pointing out many of us do not consider ourselves to be on the "same team." We operate in a broad coalition, that for many people is an arrangement of convenience. That is fine. That is politics. Unless you live in an ideological one-party state, there is no way to successfully operate outside of a coalition. All I am asking is that before people start decrying the circular firing squad or internal debate, don't use the lame defense that we are all on the same team. We are not all on the same team, we are just all in the same coalition, which are two different things. This is especially the case in a primary, which is essentially a fight to lead the coalition. It is important we all keep that in mind, because I believe it helps put internal debate in a more accurate perspective.

Chris Bowers :: We Are Not All On The Same Team
Tags: Ellen Tauscher, Jim Wallis, Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont, CT-Sen, primary elections, ideology, Democrats, (All Tags)
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When was Sarbanes a Senator? .. (0.00 / 0)
because there is a Sarbanes in the House

Answer (4.00 / 1)
Paul Sarbanes was "the longest serving Senator in Maryland history, having served from 1977 to 2007." John, who now represents MD-03 in the House, is his son.

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[ Parent ]
important typo (0.00 / 0)
"And the ten Senators who failed to endorse one way or the other in the primary..." should be general. I think it's obvious what you mean, but you might correct it for the archives...

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MD (4.00 / 1)
Ironically, Steny Hoyer launched a broadside about Democrats criticizing other Democrats just today.  Frankly, the policy differences are OK but all the so-called character attacks should be off limits.  We don't need them. (Unlike Hoyer, I do not think Democrats agree on 95% of the substance).

Carper, Tauscher, or Lieberman certainly have some serious differences with many Democrats (as does Hoyer).  One great saying: The star of the team is the team.  When personalities and character fights get too prominent, we do lose the team.  The team is selected by Democratic voters; not by whim.  Lamont would have been an easy pickup at no cost.  Instead, Democrats find themselves limited in their options because of Holy Joe.  There are some cases where we don't support the party's candidate (hypothetically, a mass murderer, say -- oh, Republicans are supporting one).  Lamont did not fit that sorry level.  He should have been the guy.


This would seem to be so obvious... (4.00 / 1)
...yet it is not. When I wrote my Heath Shuler post for the Bush Dog campaign I got many comments telling me one of two things:

1) Who was I a blogger from far away to criticise their guy.

2) No matter what I thought I had to admit that he was better than the Republican he replaced.

I basically turned the other cheek and asserted that I was merely profiling him so that other progressives could get to know him.

Heh...

I wonder how  many of these NC and southroun 'progressives' luv them some Shuler now? He's now the foremost member of the 'Tancredo Wing of the Democrat Party' and is worse than the tool he replaced in my opinion.

Bush can call himself a 'compassionate conservative' just like Rahm Emmanuel can call himself part of the Democratic Party but that doesn't mean either are telling the truth.

As for front pagers at dKos...until Markos cleans house over there I've embargoed the place. A bigger crop of arrogant assholes I have not recently seen...and they're getting worse.

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Team, Allies, Coalition (4.00 / 2)
The difference between those three words are really minor if you look up their definitions. But that is all semantics.

The real issue here is about the "daily" selectivity of who one supports or who one does not support. One day a Rep is your ally and the other he is the scum of the earth. So goes it on the Left these days.

Case in point: Today Dodd is scum as he was the only Democratic Senator that voted against the Iraq funding bill today.

By contrast every single one of the Senators that Chris listed as not allies due to a 'single issue' did vote for the Iraq funding bill. So are they allies today but not in '06?

And where will they stand tomorrow and the next day, and the next...?

BTW being an ally is a two way street. So for many on the Left to demand that for others to qualify as our ally they must do things our way but that standard does not mean we must offer the same in return - that we get to pick and chose when we give back what we expect 100% of the time, or else...

Sorry it doesn't work that way in the real world.

Thus we can never be a good ally ourselves. And if we can't be a good ally then we can't realistically expect to have allies.

Think about that for a while.


And you don't believe (0.00 / 0)
...that he voted against it because it doesn't go far enough?  Dennis does that fairly often

[ Parent ]
Purity troll (4.00 / 1)
I was thinking last night at the Debate that in policy I am probably closest to Kucinich, but I would never vote for him to be our nominee even if was going to win.  He lacks a very essential character trait needed in a president the ability to compromise and work with others to get things done.  It is one of the traits Bush lacks, one that goes a long way to making him an awful president.

The only international crime is losing a war. The only impeachable offense is contempt of congress.

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I agree about Kucinich (0.00 / 0)
and it's one of the main reasons why he is not my main candidate.

[ Parent ]
Doesn't work to my mind (4.00 / 1)
Allies fall into two groups - tactical and strategic. Strategic ones are those with whom you are mostly in agreement with and whose success helps you. An example would be Democrats and unions. One partner attacking the other strongly when they do disagree will often be counter-productive.

Whereas tactical allies are just those who happen to have certain objectives in common with you. Working together here is helpful, but that doesn't preclude opposition in other respects. Tactical allies can even be strategic enemies - an example is the right and left blogospheres working together on government openness issues.

With this way of looking at the situation, it's clear that many congressional Dems fall into the latter category so criticism is in some circumstances appropriate.

Moreover your suggestion that the netroots are bad allies is pretty risible. We just don't have the power of congress, even taking the entire netroots as a whole (which isn't normally correct). The average member of the blogosphere is much less powerful than the average DC insider and does not have the contact with legislators, so politeness isn't going to help. Since we're all supporters of the Democrats who wouldn't consider voting Republican, we don't have much of a carrot. A stick is our only response.

Your quietism is more civilised than blogosphere SOP, but a look at the 1990s would tend to suggest it's not very effective.

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Let's see (0.00 / 0)
There's fifteen senators here that you aren't counting as "real Democrats".  We'll add that to 39 "Bush Dogs" and 19 non-bush-dog "Rove Dogs" - who else can we cut out and become a permanent minority? 

For a party to be big enough to build a majority, it has to allow for variation.  Do a bit of research and you'll find that is true for all majorities back to the first Congress.  Whenever parties start trying to purge themselves, they end up cutting their own throat.  Witness the conservative purge of the Republican Party, which is more responsible for the current Democratic majority than anything our party has done.

Oh, wait - tolerance.  Bad.  I forgot.


Tolerance (4.00 / 1)
How about endorsing Bush? He's from another party. We should be tolerant of that, I guess to avoid becoming a permanent minority.

Once the line is crossed where you start endorsing candidates from other parties, the definition of exactly what makes your party breaks down entirely. If a party does not endorse its own candidates, it ceases to exist as a coherent, definable entity. I mean, the whole point of a political party is to nominate candidates and get them elected. As soon as members of a party start trying to elect members of another party, then I don't even know what the hell we are talking about anymore. But it certainly isn't a political party.

From a purely ontological perspective, "tolerance" within a political party simply cannot apply to endorsing candidates from other parties.  Should candidates start endorsing their opponents in order to become more tolerant? It just doesn't make any sense.

People who endorse candidates from different parties are not on the same team in politics. In fact, that is the definition of being on different teams.

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Lieberman (0.00 / 0)
is not the other party - yet.  keep pushing though and you'll get your way

[ Parent ]
I'm Working For Democrats (0.00 / 0)
And I really don't care if you like them.

Hell of a Diary, Chris (0.00 / 0)
This is the most passionate diary I've seen you type in months.

To add...

A common refrain I see in the blog sphere is that one will get behind the nominee in the GE.  That was a question asked of the candidates.  Mind you, I am a JRE supporter, but I thought Kucinich had the most honest answer. 

So to bring my point sort of in your direction, I tend to vote not to vote for the party's candidate for its sake.  I didn't vote for Walter Mondale in 1984.  I liked his running mate at the time, but he was not a strong enough candidate.  I voted 3rd party, and again in 1988.  I didn't think Dukakis was the one to lead our country.  I disliked GHW Bush for turning from the middle to the far right, so again, I voted 3rd party.

In 1990, I lived in the Bay State.  Dukakis had decided not to run again.  The choices weren't too great for the governorship.  John Silber was the Dem candidate, and he was gawd-awful.  He acted like a dictator.  The other candidate was Bill Weld.  And he was the more progressive of two.  I crossed party lines and voted for Weld.  Except a couple of dumb things, overall he was not a bad governor.

I will not support Clinton under any circumstance.  I'm likely to be quiet if she is the nominee, but in the voting booth, I will do a write in for whom I think is the best candidate, and that is John Edwards.  Clinton is one of the Bush dogs as far as I am concerned and it will be status-quo with her.  Difference is that she will appoint a SCOTUS that will respect the right to privacy, which any progressive will do anyway.


I'd be one of those folks who, while a 'progressive,' is NOT a "Democrat" (4.00 / 1)
Which is because so many Democrats aren't "Democrats," but are instead 'corpoRats' (itself the single 'Party of Property' which includes ALL the "elites" of both ostensible 'parties', described by Gore Vidal as the Right wing and the Ultra-Right Wings of that over-arching proprietory group), in camoflage.

You have critical omissions (0.00 / 0)
I have applauded the Bush Dog campaign.  But my thinking has shifted, in large part due to your writing.

Going after the Bush Dogs is like picking the low-hanging fruit.  But I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that who we need to be focusing on are the traitors ON our team, i.e., the Schumers and Feinsteins.  They are not on our list, but their effect is far more destructive.

Voting record is one thing, but organizational impact, while harder to measure, is I think more important.

Since you know I have a thing about independent politics, let me put this out baldly.  It is good that Schumer and Feinstein are in the Senate because they give the Democrats ostensible control on committees.  Now.  But in the future we would be better off if there were only 53 Democrats in the Senate WITHOUT those two, than having 55 Democrats in the Senate INCLUDING those two.  For one thing, Democratic control of committees would be more real without them cutting our throats.  Secondly, they would not hopelessly muddle our message.

I agree that an independent challenge for the presidency would only be acceptable if it had massive support.  But an independent challenge to these Beltway Bandits would be good even if it led to Republican victory for those two seats.


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