Question about Robert Rubin's Involvement in the Subprime Meltdown

by: Matt Stoller

Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 13:45:21 PM EST


This is a picture of the super-maxed out donation to Joe Lieberman's campaign in July, 2006, from Robert Rubin.

How did Robert Rubin escape blame for the massive subprime meltdown?  He's on the executive committee of Citigroup, he joined the company in 1999, and he has a history of negligence when it comes to conflicts of interest in the financial sector, including the Enron scandal and the dot com bubble (both of which Joe Lieberman enabled).

His problem was a call about Enron he made in November 2001 to undersecretary of the Treasury Peter Fisher. In the call Rubin asked whether Fisher might not want to ask the credit-rating agencies to hold off on any downgrading of Enron's debt--Rubin's point being that delay might allow the company's bank creditors to scramble a rescue.

Rubin, who was phoning at the instigation of Citi's banking head, later told a bipartisan congressional staff investigatory team that he prefaced his conversation with Fisher with a qualifier about this being "probably a bad idea." He'd chosen to put it forth nonetheless, and he wasn't just any caller; he was the former Secretary of the Treasury, weighing in from a company that had huge exposures to Enron. Even so, Fisher thought Rubin's idea was bad, and the matter ended. Later the staff investigation concluded that nothing illegal had happened, leaving the question of impropriety hanging in the air. Rubin says today he can see why the call might be questioned, but that given the circumstances of the time and what he knew, he would make the call again. You have to wonder, though, whether he really would.

In another strike against him, Rubin did not urge Citi to put in something like a "zero defects" program when he arrived there in 1999. In fact, Rubin himself asks today the very large question of why he--along with many others, including the media--did not recognize earlier the investment-banking and research conflicts that have led to so many scandals. His answer, not too satisfying, is that perhaps the great bull market masked many sins or created "powerful incentives" not to dwell on problems when all seemed to be going so well. He calls that a "natural human inclination."

This subprime meltdown, lovingly known as the 'big shitpile' by Atrios, feels eerily like the East Asian crisis in 1998.  I was in Japan at the time, and I read in the newspapers about one country after another go into a tailspin, with the financial press offering neoliberal prescriptions from the IMF.  Malaysia, which rejected those prescriptions, seemed to do pretty well.  Thailand and Korea, not so much.

Rubin was Treasury Secretary at the time.  Why is this guy near every major financial disaster of the last ten years, always in an influential yet seemingly peripheral position?  And why doesn't he catch blame for it?

UPDATE:  I should add that Rubin is widely lauded as the architect of 1990s prosperity for his low deficit and strong dollar policy.  Regardless of the merits of his stewardship in the 1990s, it seems odd that he should receive no blame for any of the problems.  It's oddly like this Citigroup situation, where he's directly in the path of responsibility and yet somehow seems to be considered above it all.

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Lemme see now.... (4.00 / 1)

......who's 'team' is this guy generally felt to be a 'player' on?

Edwards...no....

Obama.....likewise nope...

OH! Yeah, the Clinton's. Well, that's a relief knowing that if our appointed Queen President The Hill
  needs some financial advice she'll have some proven advisers!

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Well (4.00 / 1)
The word is that Obama and Clinton fought hard for Rubin's endorsement. His son is a fundraiser for Obama.

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so why do I keep reading on Open Left (0.00 / 0)
that there isn't much difference between Clinton, Edwards and Obama?

Clinton and Obama would mean a return to Rubinomics. No thanks.

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Richardson is also tight (0.00 / 0)
with the Wall Street crowd.

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I've read the same (0.00 / 0)
worrisome, isn't it?
Edwards is becoming more & more attractive as a candidate...

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Yeah Rubin Is A Real Hack (4.00 / 1)
As Assistant to the President for Economic Policy he only helped start the deficit reduction that lead to surpluses.

As Treasury Secretary kept the nation debt under control and helped spark the economic expansion which took us even further from a deficit to surplus. It's pretty amazing that some here want to bury that fact. It happens to be a fact that the Party is running on to show we are more fiscally responsible that the republicans.

And contrary to what this diary says he actually helped contain and repair the financial crises in Mexico and Asia if one would care to read up on the topic.

If that was not enough his policies help produce the lowest rates of unemployment in decades.

BTW, his son, James Rubin, works with Obama's campaign and it has been written that if Obama wins Robert Rubin would align with him. So so much for Rubin only being a Clinton man.


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Rubin's focus on debt reduction and "free trade" (4.00 / 3)
instead of on social programs and fair trade cost this country millions of jobs, and it also enabled Bush to transfer trillions to the upper class.  Besides, the notion that deficit reduction was largely responsible for the economic expansion in the 1990s is highly debatable.

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
The surplus he help create that then was allocated to shore up Social Security is in no way supporting a social program is it?

And of course deficit reduction has nothing to do with a healthy economy does it? Economies grow much more when laden with debt not to mention what that debt contributes to the valuation of that country's currency. Sigh.

Why is it so many on the blogs put blinders on when their sole intention is to bash someone? Why is it that they can't acknowledge the good someone has done while at the same time bringing up the bad. Acknowledging both is the way to make an intelligent argument.

I don't think there is any argument that NAFTA didn't work out like many of us, including myself, thought it wouldn't. However the paradigm is shifting and the public is overwhelmingly against unfair trade agreements. Clinton alluded to that in the debate the other day. Not only lost jobs have contributed to that but so has tainted pet food and poisonous toys. We are now in a position to have an effect on trade agreements. So why live in the past when the future is what is at stake? Why not embrace the good things of people like Rubin and reject the bad? If we seek total perfection in any person we end up with nothing.


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You have it backwards (0.00 / 0)
The Social Security surplus helped shore up the deficit picture. And the surplus was used by Republicans to justify tax cuts for the wealthy and corporate welfare giveaways.

Clinton talked about the adverse effects of "free trade" agreements while she at the same time voiced support for the Peru FTA. She has never said that NAFTA was a bad idea, either.

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Unbelievable (0.00 / 0)
First we had to dig out of a deficit in both the general accounts and the Social Security accounts. ONLY THEN could the general surplus be allocated to Social Security - as was done

As for your, for the second time, mentioning that the republicans squandered that surplus as an argument that therefore Rubin's surpluses were bad is ludicrous. Are you suggesting that we should not have surpluses so the republicans cannot give it away in tax breaks? As if deficits would keep them from cutting taxes anyway!! Try thinking.

No my friend you are the one who has it backward. You can't have surpluses until you eliminate the deficits first. That is fifth grad math.


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Huh? (4.00 / 2)
The Social Security fund was already in surplus (just as it was designed to do), so how did Rubin's policies dig us out of a deficit there? And the general surplus wasn't added to the Social Security trust fund - it was the reverse. The surplus in the SS trust fund first masked a larger deficit, then made the general surplus larger than it really was.

Are you suggesting that we should not have surpluses so the republicans cannot give it away in tax breaks?

I'm suggesting that we don't cut social services and that we don't avoid investing in crucial infrastructure such as universal healthcare just so that we can have a surplus that the Republicans will use as justification for more tax cuts.

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How did Rubin's policies dig us out (0.00 / 0)
of a Social Security deficit? By back-filling the SS money that was spent to mask the general deficit.

Once the policies took hold and had a few years to produce they not only built the SS Surplus Fund back up but they built the general surplus fund back up. Surely you could have figured that out for yourself.

Are you suggesting that we should not have surpluses so the republicans cannot give it away in tax breaks?

Well you tried to double-talk on your answer to the above question didn't you? The topic was the Rubin years and now you jump forward to today with your answer. Nice try.

The fact still stands that Rubin's policies over time paid down debt, built up the general surplus while paying down debt, and built back up the SS Surplus (which is a social program!) that was used to keep us afloat while doing all that.

You might also want to do some research on Rubin's advocay with the IMF in providing social safety nets for other countries.

Let's face it you are a one issue person when it comes to Rubin. It's all about NAFTA and nothing he did good ever happened according to you. Having a conversation with someone like you is frankly a waste of time because you refuse to acknowledge anything or even think for yourself. Again, you said we used the SS surplus to mask the budget but yet we ended up with a SS surplus in the end. Yet you don't even think about how that happened. Must have been fairy dust huh?


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I think you need to go back to basics.... (0.00 / 0)
....Ol' Rubin resembles nothing so much as Moses in your ascribing to him what happened in the American economy in the 90s.

He was Sec of Treasury....not the all-powerful, all-knowing being you are making him out to be. He did okay considering his understanding of economics, like that of most traditional economists, is deeply flawed.

Read The Origin of Wealth by Eric Beinhocker for a primer on the revolution in economics now going on. One Rubin is not part of nor even aware of as far as I can tell.

Fact: Even during the 90s the median income for Americans continued to decline as it has ever since Nixon.

So, please pardon me while I hold my applause for Clintonomics and Ol' Bob.

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We elect Hillary, we'll have Rubin running the economy and (4.00 / 2)
Mark Penn running all other policy.  If you doubt that, then read Mark Penn's book, "Microtrends."  In that book, it almost reads like a list of microtargeting (and not wanting to offend ANY microtrend population) done by the Clinton campaign.

Indeed, his book came out before HRC's double-talk on licenses for illegals.  But if you read the chapter in his book entitled, "Militant Illegals", you'd not have been surprised by her answer or non-answer.  In addition, a chaper called, "Sing is still King", emphasizes that Penn is still a stalwart believer in the Third Way philosophy and of centrism.  He explicitly states it.  He's not even pretending to hide it.

Since HRC talks to Penn 24/7 (he, not Bill, is the first person she talks to every morning), Penn has an undue influence on policy.  Penn, as revealed in his book, was the exact person to come up with Bill's policy proposals such as, school uniforms, V-chip, and triangulation.  He also was the one behind Hillary's stupid flag-burning proposals as well as her equally stupid violent video game hysteria.

Bob Rubin is just as conservative as Penn.  Do we really want Rubin and Penn to take the WH back to conservatism just when we have a real opportunity for change?

Judge a presidency by how hard it was for their accomplishments to be overturned after they've left. By this measure, Bill Clinton's legacy is a failure.


Funny how folks keep insisting.. (4.00 / 1)
...that the Clinton presidency was such a huge success. Dot.com bubble anybody? NAFTA, big win for just exactly who there?

One can also make a very strong argument that if Clinton has done two very simple, progressive things Al Gore would be in his second term.

First, keep his dick in his pants; away from Monica's mouth.

Second, used his 'incredible native political talents....' to fuck the Republican smear machine up.

So....

Spare me the bs about how if we just returned to the 90s everything would be just great. I'm sure that's what  'The Rabbit' Emmanuel, Schumer, HRC and the DLC believe in their heart of hearts.

It's delusional thinking.

'More of the same' ain't gonna cut it.

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So you think (4.00 / 1)
the good economy was all about the DotComs? Guess again. You just might want to look at the other segments of the economy then and now and rethink your position and then come back and tell us what you think.

You may also want to look at the budget surplus which the DotCom's had nothing to do with because they weren't paying taxes because they were not making profits back then whicj is why many went bust.

FYI the DotCom bubble was a Wall Street bubble and had nothing to do with the good fortunes of the middle class at the time.


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Budget Surpluses..... (0.00 / 0)
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahaa!

Did you ever hear of Social Security? Apparently not.

And you missed my point. The Dot.com's were touted as the 'new economy' and everyone was going to get rich. Hmmmm....

That did not happen and this shows:

http://images.google...

exactly that.

Lotta crap floating around about how great the 'Clinton economy' was, well it was a little better that the Republican economy's bookending it but not much compared to earlier Democratic efforts.

Cruise on over to Angry Bear and study up on just how well the economy did under every President. None of which speaks to the unbelievable disaster Ol' Bob helped engineer with 'The Rabbit' and ReThug help.

It's called NAFTA and it's a friggin' disaster for all nations only megacorporations make out under it.

And don't forget Senator Hope and Senator Bush-in-a-Dress have voted for and called for an expansion of 'free trade'.

Hope you work in a restaurant or somewhere that your job cannot be exported.

Oh...restaurant might not be the best choice given the marginalization of illegal immigrants also favored by the 'Democrat' Party 'leadership'.

Put down the Kool-Aid and realize that the Clintons are not the answer.

This guy is:

http://images.google...

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90s (0.00 / 0)
If you people don't understand that Bob Rubin was one fine Treasury Secretary, you are delusional and probably hopeless.

This Stoller post is as big a shitpile as the subprime crisis.


Rubin's low-interest rate and deficit reduction was good (4.00 / 2)
for a time.  A limited time.  But the sliding and hollowing of the economy as a result of NAFTA and zero healthcare reform, as well as cheap labor, led to the economy we have now. 

Interest rates only help now.  Other fundamental things last for a lot longer.  The Rubin/Clinton China-worship has cost this country greatly.

Judge a presidency by how hard it was for their accomplishments to be overturned after they've left. By this measure, Bill Clinton's legacy is a failure.


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Thanks for your well-intentioned input... (0.00 / 0)

I don't know about Matt but the use of 'you people' towards my humble self always warms my heart.

Your description of Ol 'NAFTA' Bob pretty much speaks for itself. Thanks for 'sharing' but, sadly, I cannot agree with your essentially pointless comment.

How did you find this place anyway?

I really didn't think RedState linked here.

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no, you're a moron (0.00 / 0)
Except for Alan Greenspan, Rubin has more culpability than anybody else in the Bush Administration or the Clinton Administration, for the current financial crisis.

Rubin bailed out Wall Street bondholders at every turn and rolled the crisis forward, encouraging Wall Street to take more and more stupid risks and subsidize them with more and more money (the Mexican bailout in 1994/5, LTCM in 98). Hank Paulson, yet another Goldman boy, is pulling the exact same act right now.

Rubin's times were synonymous with happy times. He rolled some problems forward, and they have mushroomed to the point that they are way, way too big for the Fed to handle. Anybody who holds the US dollar is a victim of Rubin's and Greenspan's "genius."


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