At Virginia JJ Dinner Watching the Obama Momentum

by: Matt Stoller

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 20:09


I'm at the Jefferson/Jackson dinner in Richmond, after having snuck in with a media pass with Todd Beeton of MyDD fame.  The Obama team is more organized, with giant letters spelling Obama on either side of the room and outside.  There are Clinton signs and supporters, but nothing close to the presence that Obama has.

Jerome Armstrong is here, doing streaming video for Mark Warner, who has plastered the Stuart Siegel Center with signs.  This state is going to be an easy win for Obama; Ben Smith has the goods.

The math is really pretty simple, and Patashnik mentions it: Black voters, in 2004, made up 33 perceent of the Democratic primary electorate. Obama has been getting more than 80 percent of the black vote virtually everywhere, a lot more in some places. So working off that conservative 80 percent figure, he only needs 36 percent of the white vote. That's a Deep South margin.

But the Democratic primary voters in Virginia aren't the rural white voters, and Obama is, obviously, a powerful crossover candidate, if you'd even call him that. He won the white vote in California. More than a quarter of the Democratic primary voters in Virginia live in two congressional districts, which are the inner D.C. suburbs. Many more live in the next ring of suburbs. And the third highest turnout district is in heavily African-American Richmond. Democratic turnout gets sparser as you go south and west. (There are delegates to be had down south, but that's another story.)

In the 2006 primary between Jim Webb and Harris Miller, there was basically no participation from African-Americans, with the primary decided by the liberal white voters in the DC suburbs.  Throw in a third of the electorate going 80% for Obama, and you get what Smith notices is a 52-37 lead.

The next few days are set up for a clear Obama delegate lead.  Rumors are coming in of a route of Clinton in Washington.

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I hate these introductions ... (0.00 / 0)


Two routes actually (0.00 / 0)
Both WA and NE are going over 2-1 for Obama.  Talk about exceeding expectations.

Out of the night that covers me, Black as the Pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.

Why does Hillary have more delegates? (0.00 / 0)
Suddenly the news shows her up. Are they counting Michigan? And have the Michigan delegates become valid?

must be counting superdelegates (0.00 / 0)
NBC is the only major outlet that is not currently counting 'soft pledges' from super delegates.

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Virginia is Never an Easy Win...never (0.00 / 0)
Virginia is a tough state for anybody, always.  It's never easy.  Don't swallow the Clinton spin.  

Obama's speech (0.00 / 0)
He is being either ignorant or intellectually dishonest when he says his health plan will get everyone covered, and when he criticizes Clinton's plan for having mandates. And I don't believe the man is ignorant.

When a universal insurance plan has no mandates, the poor and the young and the cocky will opt out. Therefore, it is no longer universal, and the costs rise for everyone else.

The rest of his speech was pretty great. He's a master politician.  I just wish that his past record matched his oratory and message of hope.

Props to Hillary for staying positive and delivering a really inspirational speech. Thanks to Rachel Maddow for pointing out how overlooked Hillary's really outstanding oratory has been.  


not dishonest (0.00 / 0)
He never said his plan would cover everyone.  He said his plan would be affordable for everyone, but he was not willing to garnish people's wages to force everyone to buy insurance (Hillary has stated this).  That is exactly why her plan won't pass congress.  How many in congress are going to sign on to garnishing peoples wages that don't buy healthcare.  The real question is, what will this cost you out of pocket mandated or not.  What is affordable?  Neither has given a real answer to that question.    

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Wrong (0.00 / 0)
When you say your plan is "universal" that means it covers everyone.  When your plan is opt-out, it does not cover everyone, and is therefore, not universal.

That's intellectual dishonesty.  Not to mention, bad politics.  

When you start with a plan that doesn't cover everyone, there's no way the plan is going to make it through Congress covering everyone.  Bills tend to become less ambitious as they make it through the legislative process, not more ambitious.

Hillary is correct in starting with the most ambitious but plausible plan to put before Congress.  And I believe it could pass.  

Because her plan costs people no more than a certain percentage of their income, it would be affordable to everyone.  People willing to risk their health for short-term gain would choose to opt out (as many youngish and lower educated people currently do), but those people would make the entire system more expensive for everyone else.  It needs to be mandatory health insurance, just like car insurance is mandatory in many (most?) states.


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disagree (0.00 / 0)
I guess it depends on what universal means.  He has clearly stated his goal of making healthcare affordable for everyone that wants it.  I totally agree that most bills do not get more ambitious as they pass through congress.  He has never stated that he would mandate coverage for everyone, he says it will be more affordable for everyone.  

Yes, car insurance is madatory in most states and I am quite positive that there are many who don't have it anyway.  Why don't they have it, because they can't afford it (and some are dumb enough to think they won't need it).  In other words, making it mandatory won't make it cover everyone.  Now, how do you enforce the mandate. I am sure there are penalties for not carrying auto insurance and I have no idea what they are.  What are the penalties for not getting the insurance?  She says she would garnish people's wages, I would assume after they have had medical treatment.  Said person is now in debt to the government.  Imagine having a mortgage, car loan and kids and your wages are being garnished.  Default on loans, lose home and car.  We all end up paying for the loans and someone is homeless and has no car.  We still pay, and this person is still where people with no insurance are today SOL.

Make it affordable and give people the choice to buy it.  You don't think her plan will be painted as a new tax that you have no choice in paying.  Not many Republicans gonna sign up for that one.    

 


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