One Thing the Right Does Better Online: Spurious Internet Rumours

by: Daniel De Groot

Fri May 09, 2008 at 22:21


McClatchy does some digging into the source of those "Obama is a secret muslim" emails we all love so much:


One practitioner in Virginia, who hates Obama like a dog hates cats, led a reporter through his efforts. Because the man is a retired clandestine CIA officer, identifying him could endanger officers or operations that remain classified, so McClatchy will not reveal his name.

In late 2006, convinced that an Obama presidency would be disastrous for America, he decided to start an anti-Obama operation. He combed the public record on Obama. He used a couple of allies and informants - half-jokingly dubbing his group "The Crusaders" - to learn about Obama's background, especially his Africa connection and how he came to be the editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Ok, that's pretty crazy already, and it gets better:


He wound up posting some of it on a blog - and where it went from there in the vast world of cyberspace is anybody's guess.

But a few months after the man began his work, the allegation that Obama was educated in a madrassa appeared in an anonymous article in Insight Magazine, an online publication of the Unification Church, in January 2007. It also claimed that Clinton operatives had dug up the information. The article was cited by several conservative commentators, including on Fox News, before it was debunked.

Well I'm shocked to find Revernd Moon and Fox News working together to create this crap.  What's the word I'm looking for?  Oh yeah, utterly predictable.  So let's put some thought into this subject for a second.

Daniel De Groot :: One Thing the Right Does Better Online: Spurious Internet Rumours
So a few comments on this:

1. Cognitive surplus at work.  Unfortunately not all applications of the cognitive surplus are as positive as Wikipedia.  Give people destructive things to do with their free internet time, and they will too.  Perhaps this is more motivation to provide productive outlets in the old "idle hands are the devil's workshop" kind of cliché way.

2. This is being done on purpose, in an organized fashion.  Yes, some email forwards are just college pranksters and insane cranks with no discernible political agenda, but in the world of viral marketing and whisper campaigns, someone somewhere is cooking these things up and practising getting good at having them reach critical mass (where they are getting forwarded enough to stay alive indefinitely).

3. This stuff matters.  There is ample psychological research into the effects of negative messaging.  As much as people claim to hate it, it works and there are solid psychological and cognitive function reasons for this.  I'll point to this paper (abstract only) which claims to show that if you hear something negative about a person (that you either believe or find at least plausible), and then later hear convincing proof you believe that shows the negative information was false, you still retain some residual negative impression about the person.  I don't have access to the paper so I can't vouch for its quality but the conclusion would explain a lot.

This just all goes to say, don't laugh this stuff off.  You won't fall for some email claiming Obama voted to lower the age of consent to 12 or that he was accused of rape in college or whatever nonsense they'll make up, but some people will, and even if they later learn it's false, some residual negative impact of the initial message remains.

The McClatchy article makes a couple good points on this too (it is a really good article).  I won't quote them since I'm already at the fair use limit here, but they point out that part of why email forwards work is that you are getting the information from someone you trust.  Of course, that person likely didn't put a lot of thought into the matter, and is likely acting in what Richard Dawkins might describe in terms of Memes, but on a psychological level this is an email from your friend, even though s/he didn't write it.  There's a layer of sceptical shielding that is put down in your head even as you open it.  

The other thing they discuss toward the end is that the "best" ones (that spread most successfully) are the ones written to say things you are prepared to believe.  "Meretricious" makes for a solid email forward it seems.

4. The right does far more of this.  Which is really a point of pride that few liberals go around inventing bullshit lies about conservatives to defeat them electorally, but it remains a problem for us to address nonetheless.  Just browse the archives of Urban Legend's category pages on the Clintons, Obama and then compare that to the meagre "list" (if two items is a list) of emails about McCain.   Of the two items, one is actually positive.  The items about the Democrats tend to be negative, and overwhelmingly false.  

My own subjective experience is that I can count the number of progressively themed email forwards I have gotten over the years on one hand, and am regularly sent conservative ones.  

So I don't have a great answer for this, just that it is a problem and we should put more thought to.    I'd particularly like to see some of our bright light (imitation) ivory tower (we're liberals, we don't hurt real elephants!) academics put out some research on the phenomenon, so we could attach some empirical numbers to it, and find ways to address it.  This is the right taking advantage of their authoritarian followers.  It's what they do.  We need to respond.

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We must do this! (0.00 / 0)
Your observations are correct, and their implications are enormous: defeating conservatism will require us to do exactly what your are urging.

Failure to do this will be failure to win the ideological battle.

It's that stark.


My question (0.00 / 0)
is who is this "retired CIA officer" who started the smear. Sounds a lot to me like Larry C. Johnson, who has been peddling this stuff for months.

If it's not Johnson, I would guess that it's one of his buddies.

What happened to that guy? He used to be a fairly good Bush critic, up there with Richard Clarke, and now he's turned batshit crazy and racist.

Old Man McCain - The best anti-McCain blog on the web!


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Bizarre (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, no kidding.  Go check out Johnson's blog at noquarterusa.net if you want to get an eye-opener into what "batshit crazy" really looks like.  You'd think that Obama was the anti-Christ.  I honestly cannot understand what motivates those people to be so hateful.  There's simply no justification.

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Okay, so what? (4.00 / 1)
We know what is happening, we know why they do it and we know it is successful... so what?

Do we "fight fire with fire" even though we know it is wrong?  Must we become what we most despise to defeat it?

Sorry, count me out.  What has attracted me most about Obama and repulsed me most about Clinton is their particular approaches to this very issue: Clinton says we must be like them to defeat them while Obama says this is not who we are, we are better than this.

I say we take the negativity on the chin, write it off as more of the same old politics and aim for the higher road.

If this ends badly for us, so be it... we reap what we sow.  Bush (Rove) is a master of this approach and how has that served us as a country?

Stay positive, point out their negativity, confront their lies and push for a better future.

In other words, be American.


He's Not Saying We Should Do It (4.00 / 1)
He's saying we need to get them to stop. And we need to figure out how to stop the Washington Times and Fox News from amplifying this stuff.

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I don't disagree with you (0.00 / 0)
It's not "fight fire with fire" I'm advocating, but "fight fire with water" only I'm not sure what "water" is in this instance, which I why I left the question of appropriate action open at the end.


John McCain sucks at economic issues.

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Yes, I realize your point (4.00 / 1)
But I was laying out a rhetorical argument to demonstrate my suggested course of action.

To leave the question open at the end is to invite speculative answers.  I laid out my view of the two prominent courses, Obama's v. Clinton's.  And strongly supported Obama on this: take the high road, but call them out for their skullduggery!

I fear our becoming them to defeat them.  I fear another Clintonian approach to democracy: triangulation, attack and dodge.

If someone knows of a third approach, I'm open to hearing it.

But evidently even you were uncertain of how to proceed.  So I'll keep trying to shrug off their inanities while turning a bright light on their nefarious actions.

But I will not stoop to their level.


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Fight fire with water (0.00 / 0)
The water is information and communication.

The more stories like the McClatchy one get out there, the more people will be able to see these chain emails for what they are.

Write your local newspaper.  Send emails to your own friends.  Volunteer for the Obama campaign.  Do anything and everything to get the truth out there.  Truth will win out.


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Maybe respond? (4.00 / 2)
I get some of this crap mixed in with a bunch of other jokes and funny stories. I rarely open most forarded material and the extremely rare "respond to all" responses I made with links and citatons showing the claims were false got a trickle of "If you don't like it, just delete it!" responses suggesting that people who forward this stuff HATE when you respond.

It's not about sharing information, it's about dominating the conversation.

I've seen pretty offensive material from people who would never make the same kind of comments in a face-to-face social setting so maybe the best way to respond to this is to train the left to respond and counter these emails to stop their spread, kind of like sticking control rods in a nuclear reaction.

If enough people in these chains say "this is false and here's why..." then the chains will stay shorter and not gain a hold.

It's hard to confront ugly speech. I've always hated racism but it probably took me into my early 30s to consistently interject when somebody said something racist instead of just having that internal "What an asshole" voice. That internal voice doesn't give negative feedback to people where even a very mild "I don't agree with that" stops a lot of nonsense flat.

Maybe a campaign 'Hit Reply, Not Forward' with some tips on how to combat the various garbage out there in email would be helpful.


Obama has some stuff on his website you can send (4.00 / 2)
http://my.barackobama.com/page...

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Really great systematic approach (0.00 / 0)
Look at the referenced pages. they have a process laid out to:
1) report the letter
2) answers to apparently common attacks
3) automatic responses.

Great use of internet.


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I wonder if this is generational (4.00 / 1)
I feel like those of us who grew up with the internet are far more skeptical of things we read. We know the cost of publishing is effectively zero, and we know that it's easy enough to do a search to verify or debunk an extraordinary claim. So seeing something in print doesn't impress us. On the other hand, we all get email from our parents with 20 levels of forwarding headers, with OH MY GOD THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS READ AND FORWARD TO EVERYONE at the top.

There's a bit of stereotyping here, of course, but I wonder if this problem will solve itself with time. Fact checking is what the internet is good at, and as the internet gets more and more tightly woven into society (either people get better at using the internet for research, or older generations get replaced by generations who grew up using the internet for research), fact checking will become an automatic reflex to extraordinary claims.


Count my mother in (4.00 / 1)
She uses the internet mainly for email.  Someone sent her the Obama is a Muslim letter, she bought it hook line and sinker.  I was irrate.  All she had to do was search the net to debunk the letter, but since someone she knew sent the thing to her, she believed some if not all of it.    She's near 70 by the way.

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sources do matter (4.00 / 1)
I'm thinking of the Tipping Pointand the idea of certain individuals being nodes of information - not just in the distribution of information like chain emails, but that they give that information weight (I got this from my cousin Suzy and she knows about these things). Most campaigns these days, at least for Democratic candidates, have some kind of social networking feature with the idea that they can tap into these individuals' networks but how effective that is would need to be studied. I think a lot of progressives figure their friends will just tune out forwarded emails and fundraising asks... for example I only send asks to my parents and a handful of friends, and try to limit it to a few times a year. Maybe we should be less reluctant to forward emails!

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another great point (0.00 / 0)


John McCain sucks at economic issues.

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Using email at work (4.00 / 3)
I think if you've ever had a job where you use email at work you tend not to forward crap to people because you've been on the other end of an inbox full of crap that you have to wade thru and it's a chore. People who use email only as a personal tool, young or old, tend to use it in a much different way, spending that cognitive surplus. I think it's the work component that is the real dividing line although it overlaps with age.

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This is insightful (0.00 / 0)
I wish I had thought of it.

John McCain sucks at economic issues.

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Overload blunts the effect (4.00 / 2)
There is in that observation probably some smidgen of suggestion of how to play defense. When one of these gets going, somebody needs to do a little research, create a screaming email (full of CAPITAL LETTERS of course) about how someone is trying to LIE to us by email -- and see if we can get it going in the same circles.

For a lot of the recipients, I think the willingness to forward is a separate phenomenon from the content, so it ought to be possible to move some of these.

And simply adding to the volume ought to further delegitimize the smear email medium.

What a necessary, boring project...

Can it happen here?


Positive forwards (4.00 / 3)
Debunking the bad forwards, even if necessary, is not a sufficient counterstrategy because it inflates them: The more people here about something, even if what they're hearing is "it's false", the more that something is one their minds, and the more it is reinforced as plausible when they don't remember the details later on.  But perhaps we can construct and start more good email forwards about our candidates to send around, stories that people will find compelling and want to pass on, like the one about Al Gore and the Katrina airlift.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. (0.00 / 0)
It seems to me that since these memes depend on an initial willingness to believe them, they can only be effectively countered by adding an antidote to the message. For example, Barak Obama has been extremely effective in diffusing any possible exploitation of his African name by simply by joking about it. It makes it laughable and strips away the potential negativity-granted for some it is a lost cause.

Another approach might be to attach a countervailing meme that redirects the content toward another target. If for example an ugly email is linked to functionaries of the McCain campaign, it could (in theory) actually hurt him more. But this kind of counter attack would have to happen very fast and be disseminated widely to work. It probably won't find its way into every mailbox, but it could make it into the evening news.

Finally, it is up to the progressive blogosphere to debunk these things and make their use hurt the rightwing candidates. It may not always be completely fair, but I think these attacks should be immediately attributed to McCain operatives. Let his campaign disprove their authorship.  


McCain was part of a wife-swapping cult? (4.00 / 2)
And that's why he left his first wife?

I had no idea.


haha (0.00 / 0)


John McCain sucks at economic issues.

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More Investigation (0.00 / 0)
I agree that this rumor mongering is really important and must be stopped.

I'd like to see a lot more investigation of the Unification Church (Moonies) and their affiliates (Washington Times, etc.) and their connections to the Korean CIA and the US CIA and to Fox News. There is a lot of shady stuff going on and it would be nice to know who is funding and supporting it. Rumors don't go very far if they are not supported by large institutions.

I have seen articles that say the Moonies are supported by Korean intelligence (KCIA). I don't know if this is true, but if it is we need to know it. I have also read that the US CIA has ties to the Korean CIA. It would be good to know about this too. By the way, it is illegal for the US government to propagandize the American public (which is why the Pentagon Pundit scandal is not just a scandal, but is illegal). If the CIA is behind this rumor-mongering, then the illegality must be stopped.

If the Moonies are behind the rumors, then it would be good for Americans to know more about the Moonies.


Use the tools (0.00 / 0)
Is it wrong to start FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW emails outlining McCain's craziness, as long as what's written is true?

I'm thinking here about something like MoveOn sent out recently, a list of 10 things to know about McCain ...

If it is, in fact, the case that reading something negative about a person makes you feel more negatively about them, this seems like a good thing to do.  I can understand why the right wants to wage this kind of attack -- it works.  I think we should do the same, but instead of circulating lies, we could just circulate the truth, and that would be fine in the case of McCain!

Is that immoral?


Immoral? No. (4.00 / 1)
Adlai Stevenson nailed this one:

I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.

However...

I didn't say it above, but I wonder if negative message liberal emails would have the same success rate as the right wing types.

I suspect not, but I don't have a strong basis for why exactly that would be.  Certainly there are some email forwards critical of Bush that have made rounds.  

John McCain sucks at economic issues.


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That Formulation Came From Truman (4.00 / 1)
At least that's how I heard it.  And it was a bit more blunt.

Makes a good deal more sense, given the relative time-frames.


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I think the "Left" should engage in equally dishonest campaigns (0.00 / 0)
with the clear intention of inflicting harm, personal and political, on the enemy. Make 'em flinch. Make 'em worry that every day will bring another mendacious attack. Make the fuccers sweat...

It does NOT matter if an allegation is true, whether it possesses a 'chinchilla' of truth, or whether it is the most spurious, malevolent crap on earth.

Once it's "OUT THERE" and the enemy has to deny it, you win!


I STRONGLY Disagree (4.00 / 1)
I am 100% in favor of using personal attacks, on the theory that Glenn Greenwald propounds in his new book.

But they should be entirely truthful.

In addition to the obvious principles involved, there's also a strictly pragmatic argument to be made:

They need to lie.

We don't.


[ Parent ]
For instance: Bombin' Johnnie's a Certified Baby-killer. (0.00 / 0)
Not every vet from the era pulled the trigger, literally, though of course figuratively, at least, all of us share the guilt.

Bombin' John did. Killed innocent civilians with high explosive dropped from the anonymity of the clouds. Blew up civilian villages, bombed agricultural dikes, caused starvation.

And from all appearances, enjoyed it immensely.

Every image of McBang-bang ought to be photoshopped to show blood all over his face, and a baby-leg in his hands...


Cf. Search Engine Optimization (4.00 / 1)
So for a while last night, I played around with false viral email smears on McCain that might work (my favorite: McCain was diagnosed with PTSD after the war, and has had periodic episodes since then, including once on the Senate floor) but it occurs to me that we can do this with truth.  And if you do it with the truth, you can include links to trustable sources.

Viral emails are another internet platform, one that Republicans seem to have leverged best, but not necessarily different from, say, blogs or search engines.  It isn't very different, morally, from search engine optimization.  I think there's a certain reticence since it's more invasive and many of us are more well aware of how freaking annoying email forwards can be.  But it's a tool for dissemination of information, and it can be a good tool for dissemination of factual information.  This is especially useful in the case of McCain, man of many myths.  I think an effort to spread truth about McCain that includes instructions to forward it on might actually work (so long as the truth is sufficiently tittilating and can push the buttons of old people who prefer to trust an email rather than snopes).

Also, I've recently discovered it's possible to induce people to do chain-Facebook-wall-posts, so there's a whole new medium to exploit in this way too.  (There are also ways to get someone to spread the virus via facebook that don't involve posting on someone else's wall, thanks to the way facebook broadcasts all the things your friends are doing.)


What about that CIA guy? (4.00 / 1)
One practitioner in Virginia, who hates Obama like a dog hates cats, led a reporter through his efforts. Because the man is a retired clandestine CIA officer, identifying him could endanger officers or operations that remain classified, so McClatchy will not reveal his name.

Huh?  There are two facts the reporter has identified that cannot be used at the same time, the name and the identity as a former CIA officer.  The name matters to the story, since it would allow fact checking on similar efforts in the past.  The CIA officer status adds nothing to the story.  The inference is not that some facts were discovered during some clandestine CIA operation, but the status is just thrown out there.  Clearly, the only reason to disclose the status it precisely to shield the name.  It has no other function in the story, but to allow the guy to traffic in this stuff, get recognition but avoid scrutiny.

Meanwhile, this guy gets to reveal national security information (his identity and the fact that the source of the Obama information was with the CIA) to Insight, "the Crusaders", Fox News, a blog or two and McClatchy  with the proviso they don't tell that many other people.  The enemies of the United States will sure have a hard time following that trail.


great point (0.00 / 0)
Hadn't thought much about the justification for the anonymity of the source, though I don't think the McClatchy article is claiming that the CIA guy is the source of all this, just one possibility.  He explicitly denies being the source for the Moonies publishing the madrassa bit.

It bears watching though.  McClatchy was one of the outlets that did not publish a detailed policy on things like anonymous sourcing.

John McCain sucks at economic issues.


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Great Articles... (0.00 / 0)
Both the McClatchy and Daniel's.

Question to whomever wants to take a stab at it:  I've seen the originals of the now classic "Obama is a Muslim" email and while I can absolutely believe there was a winger behind the concept, the emails that I've seen have been the digital equivilent of crayons on construction paper.  Poorly written, with grammer and spelling errors galore, the ones I'm referring to seem to be the most prevelant.  I've seen them copied and pasted dozens of times on the site I write for by distinctly (by IP address) different commenters.

Does anyone think there was a deliberate attempt to craft it this way by the original brain trust that propagated it to begin with?  If so, then brilliant job I must say, writing in the vernacular knowing that forwarders (as was pointed out about) are not using email professionally, but rather sending this stuff along with the joke of the day and prayer circle requests (yes, I know, elitist).

I agree with the argument that progressives need to find a way to make viral our points, but I disagree with making shit up to those ends.  IF I were a forwarder (and I may need to become one) I would much sooner forward a post like this one.


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