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Divining daily numbers from tracking polls

by: Haggai

Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 13:18

A pointless exercise?  Not necessarily...if you do it reasonably.  In one recent thread, Chris Bowers said that he tried to do it in '04 but gave up when huge swings from day to day were required to account for the most minor shifts in the tracking poll numbers.  

A recent blog post that got a lot of attention was this one, during the Dem convention, which showed some rather startling results in attempting to divine the daily Gallup numbers: McCain up 6 on Monday, Obama up 8 on Tuesday, followed by Obama up 16 on Wednesday.  Talk about a bounce!  It fit the reported Gallup numbers, but it sure looked screwy.  

What was even more crazy was that if you accepted those particular guesses at the daily numbers, the next day's Gallup tracking number went up by 2 (from 48-42 Obama to 49-41), but to make that work with the prior numbers, Obama's 16 point lead the day before had to vanish COMPLETELY, all the way down into a tie!  So what was the problem?

In a word: rounding.  The tracking polls report 3-day averages that are rounded to the nearest integer, which means that what looks like a 2 point swing (say, from 45-45 to 46-44) could actually be as little as a 0.4 point swing (from 45.4-44.6 to 45.6-44.4).  And when you're guessing daily numbers before averaging them into a 3-day tracking number, if you require integer (i.e. non-rounded) values for each single day, you're magnifying potential rounding errors by several times as much again.

So what I tried to do was go into the Gallup tracker for the last two weeks and get some numbers that made sense, by guessing at daily numbers down to the tenth of a point, i.e. adding one decimal place.  So no more guessing that one day's numbers were either 45-45 or 46-44; they could be 45.3-44.6, 45.8-44.2, etc.  Then I averaged those numbers and rounded to get the 3-day tracking result.

The results are here, and I'll explain them a bit now.  The integer values in the right-most columns are the actual Gallup tracking poll average, with the dates they were reported in the column to the right.  The left-most columns are my guess at what the daily numbers have been.  The 3-day average for 8/21 came from the daily numbers from 8/18-8/20, the 3-day average on 9/2 comes from the 8/30-9/1 daily numbers, etc.

Now, those daily numbers are guesses, but they're almost guaranteed to be closer to the real numbers than any purely integral values would be.  You can fiddle with the daily numbers and still get the same tracking numbers to come out.  Each daily number is, of course, restricted by the fact that it contributes to three different tracking poll results, so the permissible "range" for any individual daily number is going to be relatively small, usually no more than 0.2 or 0.3 in any direction.  Now, if you change one of those numbers, you'll affect the permissible range for some of the other daily numbers both before and after it, so there's no way to guess the "right" daily numbers.      

So does this actually tell us anything?  Well...not really.  But it might be a good sanity check for anyone who obsesses over these tracking polls too much (like myself, obviously)!

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SUSA VA Presidential poll, with VP choices

by: Haggai

Sat May 17, 2008 at 13:24

I just got off the phone after taking an automated SUSA/ABC 7 (Washington DC ABC affiliate) poll.  I assume it's going to be a Virginia statewide poll--I live in VA just outside of DC, and some of the first questions were approve/disapprove on Tim Kaine, John Warner, and Jim Webb.

Hillary Clinton was not mentioned in any of the questions.  They polled McCain-Obama straight up, and then a series of matchups with 4 potential running mates for each candidate, a total of 16 possible matchups with VP choices.  Here are the VP choices polled for each candidate:

McCain
Huckabee
Romney
Pawlenty
Lieberman

Obama
Edwards
Sebelius
Rendell(?)
Hagel(?!)

I'm kind of surprised they included Rendell, and mystified that they included Hagel--WTF? It's weird that they didn't list Webb as a possibility, particularly since this was a Virginia poll. Surely the potential impact in Virginia of having Webb on the ticket is of interest to pollsters at this point, and surely he's a more likely pick than Rendell and a far more likely pick than Hagel, but they didn't ask.

McCain-Lieberman vs. Obama-Hagel is an amusing scenario to contemplate, if only because the collective swoons of joy among the bipartisan-worshipping national punditocracy would be too numerous to quantify.

So, nothing too earth-shattering here, and I imagine the results will be out in a few days, but I thought it would be of some interest for people to get a little preview of the type of poll questions we might start to see in the very near future of this presidential race.

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