More on the conservative war on America

by: Paul Rosenberg

Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 13:30


If progressives have learned anything about conservatives, it's that conservative attacks on liberals are near-perfect predictors of what conservatives themselves are up to. Conservative projection is highly reliable.  So it's hardly surprising that almost 80 years of accusing liberals of trying to destroy America is a tip-off that destroying America has been what conservatives have been up to all along.

This was starkly revealed by Dinesh D'Souza's book, The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 , which I commented on yesterday in "The Three Stooges do Joe McCarthy", following up on digby's diary, "Objectively Pro-Taliban".

The Booklist review of D'Souza's book said:

He notes that American conservatives have more in common with Islamic Fundamentalists than with American liberals.

While Publishers Weekly dryly noted:

Charging that liberals aid terrorists while sympathizing with the terrorists' culturally conservative worldview, D'Souza's critique of American cultural excess trips over its own inconsistencies.

A recent article in Grist by David Roberts, "The right's climate denialism is part of something much larger", provides another perspective on this same phenomena. He begins by citing another piece at Grist, "Stupid goes viral: The Climate Zombies of the new GOP" by RL Miller, which gives a rundown of some of the GOP's latest crop of climate-denying candidates for Congress.  And he cited a Gallup poll showing the sharp ideological slant of recent growth in "climate skepticism" in the public:

After which he proceeded to broaden his scope to encompass a wide-ranging attack on reality-based institutions:

Paul Rosenberg :: More on the conservative war on America

It does seem to me that the right's climate denialism hasn't been properly linked to the larger phenomenon of epistemic closure on the right. When Jim Manzi, everyone's favorite sensible conservative, criticized fellow conservative Mark Levin for peddling intellectually shoddy skeptic arguments in his bestselling book Liberty and Tyranny, Levin went nuts, joined by a half-dozen other NRO writers. How could they not? The very same skeptic talking points in Levin's book appear in thousands of blogs and comment sections across the interwebs. If they are intellectually bankrupt, a whole lot of people are going to look stupid.

Regardless, to restrict discussion to climate science -- how many scientists say what, who signed what statement, how many peer-reviewed papers say what -- misses the forest for the trees. Climate denialism is part of something much broader and scarier on the right. The core idea is most clearly expressed by Rush Limbaugh:

    We really live, folks, in two worlds. There are two worlds. We live in two universes. One universe is a lie. One universe is an entire lie. Everything run, dominated, and controlled by the left here and around the world is a lie. The other universe is where we are, and that's where reality reigns supreme and we deal with it. And seldom do these two universes ever overlap. ...

    The Four Corners of Deceit: Government, academia, science, and media. Those institutions are now corrupt and exist by virtue of deceit. That's how they promulgate themselves; it is how they prosper.

The right's project over the last 30 years has been to dismantle the post-war liberal consensus by undermining trust in society's leading institutions. Experts are made elites; their presumption of expertise becomes self-damning. They think they're better than you. They talk down to you. They don't respect people like us, real Americans. Here's Americans' trust in institutions, also from Gallup data (click for larger version):


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The sole exceptions to this general decline in trust are the military and the police:

This is what the real "culture war" in America is all about.  It's not some "distraction" fomented by the Baby Boom generation as Obama argued in his primary campaign against Hillary Clinton.  It's not "just" about abortion or gay rights.  It's about the conservative war on modernism--secularism (as opposed to theocracy), democracy (again, as opposed to theocracy), science (as opposed to theology-based dogma) and, more broadly, empiricism (as opposed to purely faith-based belief).  All these are important core values, practices and fundamntal sources of strength on which America is based.  And all of them are under sustained attack by the right.

This is the real clash of civilizations.  And movement conservatives are clearly on the side that's dedicated to destroying America.


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Imho we shouldn't leave DINO's and centrists out of this picture. (4.00 / 2)
Because the catfood commission shows us that THIS is the really dangerous situation, when conservative Dems join forces with the right wingers! That's where the Democratic wing of the Democratic party, also known as the progressives, are totally on their own in defending liberal values and accomplishments against the combined attack of the forces of evil. And it would be better if we were prepared and knew at which parts of the front to expect their assault.

So for which of these issues will the movement conservatives manage to find traitors within the Dem party as allies? Imho that's the most important point.


Obviously You've Got A One-Track Mind (0.00 / 1)
Too bad you live in a multi-track world.

Walk & chew gum.

Walk & chew gum.

Walk & chew gum.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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TRed (4.00 / 1)
This trollish crap is all you offer as an answer to a serious point? Do you want to deny it's the centrist gang surrounding Obama that started the attack on social security? Or maybe you think it's no problem that there are Dems who enable a right wing attack on a Dem accomplishment that dates back to FDR? Shoot.

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What he said was a lot like (4.00 / 1)
what the Buddah said in answer to the question about the nature of God.  He just changed the subject.

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Of course it's a war on modernism (4.00 / 4)
The conservative worldview is essentially Medieval. It believes in hierarchies, and is committed to building and maintaining hierarchies in which they are convinced they'll be at the top.

Their religion is Medieval - us versus them, destroy the unbelievers.

Their economics are Medieval - all power to the barons, and the job of everyone else is to do what your Lord says, show him your loyalty and you'll be rewarded (usually with rape, pillage, suffering, and being conscripted to fight his wars).

Their view of social values is Medieval - the powerful can do whatever they want, but everyone else has to make do with extremely regressive values, especially women.

Modernism undermines all of this, by offering a truly level playing field in which hierarchies are not only smashed, but unable to thrive. And that in turn enables the religious and social values to be torn down too.


Back to feudalism? (0.00 / 0)
Indeed, there are some similarities. And it explains the hypocrisy. Of course, there are different sets of rights and values for the lords and for the servants!

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More like the Dark Ages (4.00 / 1)
Robert, the late Middle Ages showed a healthy respect for the need for skilled workers to get decent pay and to turn out quality products.  The guilds gave strong regulation of business because they knew that without regulation cheating was rampant and many people, particularly the skilled workers, lost.

Otoh, the bankers were exceedingly powerful as Kings and nobles had to borrow to pay for participation in the Crusades aka foreign military adventures.  We have our own Medicis.

Eventually the Middle Ages became the Renaisance and then Modern Europe but a lot of blood had to be shed to get us to that point.  I'd like to get rid of these guys a lot less painlessly.


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True, But (0.00 / 0)
The landed aristocracy hated the cities (where the guilds were growing) just as much back then as they do today--and would have called them "anti-Medieval", no doubt, had the lingo been invented back then!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Needed the products (4.00 / 2)
The local lord paid taxes to the King or Duke by rendering military service.  That meant he needed armor, a sword,, a saddle, a horse and whatever else knights needed.  The armor and the sword and most probably the saddle had to come from a craftsman.  He might have to borrow from a banking family to pay his expenses.  The simpler and cheaper way around that, at least in England and Wales was the long bow.  That meant that the peasants or craftsmen rather than the lords provided the man power.  No need for the lords.  Later, when the switch was made to guns, the skill level dropped significantly.

Not only did the English clobber the French at Agincourt but at roughly the same time the Mongols were handily defeating mounted European knights in eastern and central Europe with compound bows of their own devising.

The lords hated the cities.  They still do in England preferring country estates.  The lords needed the cities.  Those empires, like Spain's. that lacked the capacity to make products lost out in a hurry behind a mountain of debt.


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Two Things (4.00 / 1)
(1) The country/city divide is actually much more ancient than that, going all the way back at least to ancient Greece.  See, for example, The Greek Achievement.

(2) Spain actually once had a manufacturing base.  It got wiped out in large part because of colonial gold and silver and subsequent financialization.  Kevin Phillips touches on this in passing in Wealth and Democracy.  It was part of the big picture shift that lead to Holland replacing Spain as the dominant world power, to be quickly followed by Britain.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Very Well Said! (0.00 / 0)
In fact, I took the economics paragraph and added it to my new diary, "Demystifying the small business mythos & the Bush high-income tax cuts", as a p.s.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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religion (0.00 / 0)
What religion isn't medieval?

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Neo-Paganism? (0.00 / 0)
Rastafarianism?

Pastafarianism?

Discordianism?

The Church of the Sub-Genius?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Scientology? (0.00 / 0)
Only if you're generous enough to call this sect a church, of course...

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