Against Virtue (Pt 2): The need for a situationist morality

by: Paul Rosenberg

Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:30


On September 7, I wrote a diary, "Against Virtue: A dime's worth of difference", which discussed some recent challenges to the traditional concept of virtue ethics.  This diary goes further in examining moral challenges that transcend the boundaries of historical moral challenges for which virtue ethics or either of the other traditional Western alternatives were formulated.  Among other issues, these involve the environmental welfare of the entire planet.

The previous diary began thus:

Who could be against virtue? Who could be opposed to the embodiment of what is right?

But what if that'a not exactly what I mean? What if I mean "against" as in "next to"?  And what if goodness is not necessarily best understood as emdobied?  What if it might also be understood situationally?

What if the notions handed down to us from ancient Greek philosophers like Socrates, Plato and Aristotle--especially Aristotle, the great systematizer--what if they were all wrong?

Or perhaps not all wrong, but mistaken the same way that Newtonian mechanics is mistaken compared to quantum mechanics and relativity?  And what if the world as we live in it today were very far from the conditions in which Newtonian assumptions hold good?

And ended thus:

As with the example of Newtonian mechanics compared to relativity or quantum mechanics, one needs the less obvious, but more comprehensive theory in order to be able to see just where the classical theory works well enough to be relied on, and where it starts to break down, and why.  It is only the more advanced, more sophisticated theory that can be the foundation for mediating between the two, even though both of them have their place. The classical theory is incapable of properly grasping its own limitations.

So, too, for virtue ethics and the conservative moral & political tradition embodied in it from the time of Aristotle down to the present day.  We can and should continue to respect it for the light that it sheds on what it gets right.  But it is fundamentally incapable of grasping its own limitations, and thus respect for what it does properly should never become deference concerning what it does not.

This is the fundamental insight that Obama and all his neoliberal fellow-travellers utterly and totally lack.

It stirred up a very lively discussion, and it's one that I think needs continuing, which I'd like to do with a discussion of a December, 2007 post at "The Situationist" blog, "The Need for a Situationist Morality", discussing the work of social psychologist Albert Bandura.

But before I proceed to what really interests me, I need to do a little housekeeping. One part of the previous discussion involved a few participants with a professional background in philosophy (I was a philosophy undergrad for a while in both the late 60s and then again in the mid-70s), who disputed my characterization, which was admittedly lay-oriented, but not, I believe, inaccurate.  For example, at one point, I wrote:

Paul Rosenberg :: Against Virtue (Pt 2): The need for a situationist morality
Virtue Ethics

Is ethics defined in terms of personal virtue as an enduring character trait, which can be cultivated over time--but which often is assumed to have a considerable inborn component.  In Kegan's typology, this belongs at Level Two--durable categories.

And PTM responded:

As I said before
I think as a factual matter this is just not what philosophers and ethicists throughout history have meant by 'virtue ethics'.  It is certainly not what current theorists in the area mean by it.  Contemporary virtue ethics might be committed to the view that we ought to try to develop those durable character traits, but it is not committed to the view either that this is likely to happen nor to the idea that any one is born with those traits or with proto versions of those traits.

I would suggest Roger Crisp's anthology 'Virtue Ethics' or Rosalind Hursthouse's book 'On Virtue Ethics' or the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on the topic if you want to get a better idea of what virtue ethics, considered as a philosophical theory of ethics is.  

Now Kegan is a psychologist, not a philosopher, and psychologists are of course allowed to use the term 'virtue ethics' however they like, as long as people realize that is a discipline specific use.  These discipline specific meanings do lead to confusion though, as the discussion on this thread shows.

In fact, the Stanford Encyclopedia entry on Virtue Ethics begins thus:

Virtue ethics is currently one of three major approaches in normative ethics. It may, initially, be identified as the one that emphasizes the virtues, or moral character, in contrast to the approach which emphasizes duties or rules (deontology) or that which emphasizes the consequences of actions (consequentialism). Suppose it is obvious that someone in need should be helped. A utilitarian will point to the fact that the consequences of doing so will maximise well-being, a deontologist to the fact that, in doing so the agent will be acting in accordance with a moral rule such as "Do unto others as you would be done by" and a virtue ethicist to the fact that helping the person would be charitable or benevolent.

Which is exactly the way I remember things from thiry-odd years ago, and precisely what I was articulating (to the best of my ability) in terms of Kegan's schema. There is considerable room for misunderstanding where people are referencing multiple frames of reference--as I was in mentioning Kegan, for example [presenting my take on how the two subject inter-relate, not his]--but I felt it important to establish right off that I'm not totally out in left field so far as understanding what philosophers mean by "virtue ethics."

This is not, of course, a claim to be up on the latest internal issues, arguments and positions.  I haven't followed the field for over thirty years, so I'm obviously not up on all that, nor do I claim to be.  But the problems I'm trying to raise have much older and deeper roots than that, and also involve cultural practices extending well beyond the internal discussions of philosophers.  So I trust that while working  philosophers can help clarify some issues that come up, they will not invalidate the main thrust of what I have to say, which draws upon concerns that other contemporary thinkers have raised.

Bandura, Situationist Morality and Environmental Survival

With that out of the way, I'd now like to turn to the diary about Bandura's work, which begins--rather densely--thus [you may skip down the sentence I've bolded at the end, if you wish]:

In 1999, renowned social psychologist Albert Bandura published an article examining the role of "Moral Disengagement in the Perpetration of Inhumanities." That article's abstract reads as follows:
    Moral agency is manifested in both the power to refrain from behaving inhumanely and the proactive power to behave humanely. Moral agency is embedded in a broader sociocognitive self theory encompassing self-organizing, proactive, self-reflective, and self-regulatory mechanisms rooted in personal standards linked to self-sanctions. The self-regulatory mechanisms governing moral conduct do not come into play unless they are activated, and there are many psychosocial maneuvers by which moral self-sanctions are selectively disengaged from inhumane conduct. The moral disengagement may center on the cognitive restructuring of inhumane conduct into a benign or worthy one by moral justification, sanitizing language, and advantageous comparison; disavowal of a sense of personal agency by diffusion or displacement of responsibility; disregarding or minimizing the injurious effects of one's actions; and attribution of blame to, and dehumanization of, those who are victimized. Many inhumanities operate through a supportive network of legitimate enterprises run by otherwise considerate people who contribute to destructive activities by disconnected sub-division of functions and diffusion of responsibility. Given the many mechanisms for disengaging moral control, civilized life requires, in addition to humane personal standards, safeguards built into social systems that uphold compassionate behavior and renounce cruelty.

The last sentence in Bandura's abstract is what's most important for my purposes here. Bandura isn't saying that personal morality is irrelevant or unimportant--only that by itself, it is not enough.  Even if we were to assume that virtue ethics alone accounted for such morality, and that consequentialist and deontological ethics played no role, it would be obvious that, from his perspective, virtue ethics would not be an adequate foundation by itself for civilized life.

The diary then moves on to a more recent (then just-released) paper dealing with the same issues with a specific focus on issues of environmental survival:

This year, Bandura published a related article on the perpetration of environmental harm. In this more recent piece, titled "Impeding Ecological Sustainability Through Selective Moral Disengagement" (pdf here) Bandura examines how environmental harms are rendered palatable through our ability to preempt or deactivate the self-regulatory mechanisms that would otherwise condemn the behavior that leads to those harms. Understanding the human proclivity for self-justification, he argues, is a key ingredient to saving the environment that sustains us. Or, as we might put it, there is a need for greater situationist awareness and a situationist morality.

Here is a diagram from Bandura's paper, identifying distinct stages and mechanisms with which a situationist morality must contend:

I do not claim that traditional Western ethical traditions can't be applied to such problems.  Arguably they could be, and I would expect that practitioners confronted with the problems Bandura discusses would endeavor to do so.  But I do think that they are ill-suited to uncovering the problems in the first place, and then formulating them accurately and effectively for the purposes of solving them.  Rejiggering them after the fact to deal with problems they did not anticipate on their own is a less-than-satisfactory approach, I would argue, and one that's likely to continue missing further salient, emergent issues of utmost importance for human well-being and enviornmental survival.  This is the best-case scenario, however, as Bandura argues--in effect--that how such problems arise defies our common-sense understandings of human agency in its broadest dimensions (see below).

Furthermore, these approaches are not conceived in terms of the global life-threatening situation that Bandura is dealing with in articulating his approach via-a-vis the global environment.  It is a situation beyond the realm for which they were originally formulated and intended.  The very sorts of specific foci they were developed to enhance and capitalize on may well need to be reconsidered in light of the global environmental challenge that Bandura considers, and we cannot rely solely on traditions that would in any way prematurely foreclose our ability to reconsider such fundamentals.

The diary continues:

Below we excerpt a... December 5 press release summarizing Bandura's article by ScienceDaily.
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We can disguise environmentally harmful practices and dress them up in words to help ease our consciences, argues Albert Bandura . . . but such practices will have a negative impact on the planet and the quality of life of future generations, no matter how we label them.

He explains that we must stop attempting to disguise our actions and switch on our environmental conscience to save the world.

As consumers we are repeatedly bombarded with messages telling us to consider the environment and to save energy in the face of global climate change. However, much has been made recently of the fact that personal economic savings on energy consumption might be offset by increased consumption of goods and services. What may at first appear to reduce the level of ecological harm that we cause, may in effect be cancelled out and possibly lead to even greater harm.

Moreover, many of us pursue practices that are detrimental to the environment but which we justify by a kind of moral disengagement. This frees us from the constraints of self-censure and we defend our actions on the basis that such practices are somehow fulfilling worthy social, national, or economic causes and, as such, offset their harmful effects on the future of our planet.

Moral disengagement equates to switching off one's conscience and there is nothing like self righteousness to exonerate and sanitize malpractice in the name of worthy causes.

Convoluted language helps disguise what is being done and reduces accountability, and also ignores and disputes harmful effects. Learning about moral disengagement shines the light not only on the malpractices of others but on ourselves, argues Bandura . . . .

Bandura, in his paper, . . . highlights how we can be selective about acknowledging the global consequences of our behaviour and points out that harmful practices, thinly disguised as worthy causes, could cause widespread human harm and degrade the environment nevertheless.

"We are witnessing hazardous global changes of mounting ecological consequence," he says, "they include deforestation, expanding desertification, global warming, ice sheet and glacial melting, flooding of low-lying coastal regions, severe weather events, topsoil erosion and sinking water tables in the major food-producing regions, depletion of fish stocks, loss of biodiversity, and degradation of other aspects of the earth's life-support systems. As the unrivaled ruling species atop the food chain, humans are wiping out species and the ecosystems that support life at an accelerating pace."

Bandura's approach elucidates both the bad faith actions of narrowly self-interested and deceitful actors as well as those genuinely concerned in one way or another, yet who continue to act in ways that contribute to the very problems they claim to be concerned about. These are, then, systematic problems that must be approached from an all-encompassing point of view that is open to consideration of all factors that may be presented.

In elucidating the contents of Figure 1 above, Bandera writes in his paper:

Figure 1 presents a schematisation of moral exclusion, the eight psychosocial mechanisms by which moral sanctions can be disengaged from detrimental practices, and the particular points in the process where they undermine and neutralise moral control. In three of the mechanisms, that operate at the behaviour locus, people transform harmful practices into worthy ones through social and moral justification, exonerative social comparison, and sanitising language. This is the most effective set of disengagement practices. Investing harmful activities with worthy purposes not only eliminates self-censure, but engages self-approval in the service of the detrimental environmental activities. Functionaries work hard to become proficient in the activities and take pride in their accomplishments.

In two of the mechanisms operating at the agency locus, people are absolved of a sense of personal accountability for harmful practices by displacement and diffusion of responsibility. At the outcome locus, the harmful effects of the practices are disregarded, minimised, or disputed. In the two remaining mechanisms operating at the recipient locus, the victims who bear the brunt of worsening ecological conditions are marginalised and depersonalised and blamed for their plight. The messengers of harmful effects and those working toward ecological sustainability also are derogated and discredited. The sections that follow analyse in some detail how each of these eight mechanisms of moral disengagement are enlisted in the service of unsustainable environmental practices. These various mechanisms usually operate in concert rather than isolatedly at both the individual and social systems level.

Bandura then immediately describes something of the workings of the mechanisms involved that underscores the inadequacy of traditional forms of moral reasoning that fail to account for how beliefs about facts, meaning and values are both socially and individually constructed:

There is no disembodied group mind doing the moral disengaging. Rather it is people acting together on shared beliefs. However, moral disengagement at the social systems level is not simply the aggregation of the moral beliefs of individual members. It is an emergent group phenomenon arising from the interactive, coordinative, and synergistic dynamics both within and between social systems. Collective moral disengagement requires a network of participants vindicating harmful practices that take a heavy toll on the environment and the quality of human life (Bandura, 1999). Groups, of course, operate through the behaviour of its members.

The exercise of moral agency is part of the broader social cognitive theory (Bandura, 1986, 2006a). In this transactional view of self and society, psychosocial functioning is the product of a dynamic interplay between intrapersonal influences, in the form of cognitive, affective and biological determinants; the behavioural practices engaged in; and environmental influences Personal agency operates within a broad network of sociostructural influences. These social systems are devised to organise, guide, and regulate human affairs (Giddens, 1984). Social systems do not arise by immaculate conception. Social cognitive theory rejects a duality of human agency and a social structure as a reified entity disembodied from individuals. Social systems are the product of human activity. The rules and practices of social systems, in turn, influence human development and functioning.

It's this sophisticated socio-cognitive view of the problem--and, in turn, of potential solutions, that makes the limits of virtue ethics most clear.  To put it most simply, the very individual self that virtue ethics assumes as its foundation is only a conditional factor in the socio-cognitive dynamic that Bandura describes.  While virtue ethics may describe how some particular desiderata may be achieved, it does not reliably orient us toward the totality of the global problems that Bandura describes.

And that is why we stand in such dire need of a situationist morality, not just for the environmental problems that Bandura engages with, but for all social problems in which socio-cognitive processes of problem-indentification are involved.


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What is to be done (4.00 / 3)
Virtue ethics, as defined here, seems to me to be a forlorn trope -- a small, furry animal frozen in the act of discovering that it's the last of its species. The ethical problems confronting post-industrial society, a tragedy of the commons not different in kind, but vastly different in degree from any we've encountered before, calls for a collective solution, which is to say a political solution.

Blunt as the political instrument is, I can't think of any other which can overturn the juggernaut which currently allows the powerful and the self-interested to define the environment which not only our own species, but others as well, are forced to accept as natural. In such an environment, ethics can't be left to philosophers, nor can we afford to retire to a mountaintop to purge our demons in solitude, not when the mountaintop removal crews are scheduled to arrive with their dynamite and skiploaders at dawn the next morning.

We can't put a patch on what we've become -- something more fundamental is in order. We can only discover what that is together, and in an environment where thoughts and deeds occur simultaneously, and are difficult to disentangle. There really is no other way.


I Think (4.00 / 2)
That William James realized this a long time ago. There was a reason, for example, why he and Twain were leaders of the Anti-imperialist League.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Ethics (4.00 / 3)
(This diary was dense enough to require two responses.  This is #1)

My daughter and I have been talking about ethics a bit lately, as she is taking a class on it right now.  Actually, we've always talked about it, largely in a response to the shows we watch.  Clark Kent in Smallville, for example, believes completely in virtue ethics and he drives my daughter batty.  

My daughter believes in Utilitarian Consequentialism, "the moral worth of an action is determined solely by its utility in providing happiness or pleasure as summed among all sentient beings."  She assumed I'd disagree.  My family thinks of me as fairly moralistic.  My wife still makes fun of me for refusing to open a letter sent to my (then) baby daughter without her present.  I didn't think I should just open someone else's mail.  My wife, who was a secretary and did that for a living, thought the idea stupid to begin with, but to worry about a baby was just laughable.  I hesitantly agreed.

But I actually agree with Utilitarian Consequentialism, in one of its various forms.  In fact, I'd basically call that the definition of morality.  But it isn't something that can be casually applied at every moment in ones life.  There are reasons for this.

1) We don't know all the facts and can't predict the future.  In order to appropriately apply consequentialism we need to know exactly what the effect our actions will have on the world as a whole.

2) We are creatures of habit.  Most of the actions we perform every day are made out of habit.  Consequentialism provides no direct route to making our habits ethical.  Both virtue and deontology are habit forming.

3) We role model actions for others.  Even when the consequences of an action are positive when taken in isolation, "in isolation" isn't good enough.  If others see what appears to be unethical behavior, behavior that would be unethical most of the time, they learn from us that it is ok.  That becomes one of the consequences that has its own long term effect.

4) We easily deceive ourselves.  It is very easy to pretend to use consequentialism to justify doing something we want to do but don't believe is ethical.

So even though he's a bit of a dolt, I tend to take Clark's side on Smalleville.  He has God like abilities that require some hard and fast rules to keep under control.  For him, consequentialism could quickly become global dictatorship.  His slope is much more slippery than most.

And the more I think about it, I was right about that letter, even though I was embarrassed at the time.  Partially just because getting into the habit of reading your kid's mail isn't cool.  But largely just because it would have been more fun my way, opening the letter from Grandma in front of the baby, reading it to her for the first time and all that.  It isn't like I actually cared what Hallmark had to say.

To me, virtue and deontology are derived morality.  Consequentialism may be correct, but it provides little help in day to day life.  Like a timed chess game, there will occasionally come times in your life where you need to stop and think, applying consequentialist ethics more directly.  But most of the time you need something quick that gets the decision right.


This Was Excellent Enough I Just Might Steal It To Make A Diary Sometime (4.00 / 1)
First off: Poor me!  I thought CK was a dolt on a much more fundamental level, and stopped watching at about the fourth or fifth show the first season.  Ruefully, to be sure, as I thought the concept was quite cool.

Now to get serious (yeah, right!) I'm with you 100% in that you use a pragmatist approach to assess the strengths and weaknesses of the different moral approaches.  This is precisely the reason that I quite surprised myself by discovering pragmatism in my 20s (it was years after I first encountered it that I actually discovered it), and totally changed my outlook on every aspect of philosophy as a result.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A Fine Is A Price (4.00 / 2)
One commonly suggested solution to ecological sustainability is to tax environmental externalities.  This has two purposes.  The economic purpose is straight forward; by forcing all externalities to be payed by the polluter, the real cost is accounted for and polluting is minimized.  The second purpose is to encapsulate the morality externalities into our thinking.

The ethical, moral side to taxing externalities may be backwards, though.  Human psychology is a tricky thing.  It turns out that when you tax or fine something it becomes more morally acceptable, not less.  The most famous experiment on this is the Isreali Child Care Experiment.  (I swore I saw an RCA Animate or Ted Talk video on this, but can't find it.  I found the original paper, though.  Here is the abstract.)

The deterrence hypothesis predicts that the introduction of a penalty that leaves everything else unchanged will reduce the occurrence of the behavior subject to the fine. We present the result of a field study in a group of day-care centers that contradicts this prediction. Parents used to arrive late to collect their children, forcing a teacher to stay after closing time. We introduced a monetary fine for late-coming parents. As a result, the number of late-coming parents increased significantly.  After the fine was removed no reduction occurred. We argue that penalties are usually introduced into an incomplete contract, social or private. They may change the information that agents have, and therefore the effect on behavior may be opposite of that expected. If this is true, the deterrence hypothesis loses its predictive strength, since the clause "everything else is left unchanged" might be hard to satisfy.

Whatever this situationist morality becomes, it needs to take human psychology like this into account.  Fortunately, our understanding of human psychology* and still emerging field of cognitive science have come a long way over the past dozen or so years.

Ironically, I think virtue ethics will be a large part of the answer.  But you probably guess I'd say that from the above post.  But we need a new definition virtue, one that works in the 21 century world.  We also need new deontological rules to follow.  We must use higher order ethical thinking to get there, but only the derived, lower order ethics can provide the day-to-day guidance to actually implement the new morality.

[*why do I keep feeling the need to say "human psychology" when most find just plain ol' "psychology" works fine?]


Interestingly enough, (4.00 / 1)
a jail term -- anything short of life, I suspect -- is also considered a price by the professional criminal. Capitalism, it seems, has an explanation for almost everything.

And what it can't explain, its wholly-owned subsidiary, narcissism, can. One thing our present civilization has very successfully disguised, it seems to me, is the co-dependency of the individual and the collective. Maybe that's where we should look to find a foundation -- and justification -- for the new ethics which we all seem to agree is needed.

Anyway, your flute-like references to the latter-day discoveries of cognitive science and experimental psychology in general are a nice accompaniment to Paul's virtuoso drumming on the same subject matter.

A person could learn a lot here.  


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It All Depends (4.00 / 1)
I've never been a free marketeer, so one part of the rational for taxing environmental externalities ("beause then the free market will take care of everything") has never had a hold on me.

OTOH, using such taxes to help make beneficial alternatives economically competetive is another matter--especially if the taxes are used to help with start-up costs of beneficial alternatives.

For me, the question has never been "command and control" (evil) or tax externalities or sell pollution credits (which really sends the signal that pollution is just another "good" like any other).  Rather, the question has been how does one design the best multi-pronged strategy possible.  And moral sanctions have to be part of the mix.

So this is just one more indication of the need for a holistic approach that doesn't take anything for granted.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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moral sanctions (4.00 / 1)
And moral sanctions have to be part of the mix.

But that's just the point: moral sanctions might not even exist.  What exists is moral payment, which is bad.

Or to put another way, moral sanctions must exist on the moral plane, not on the economic plane.  As soon as you make the sanctions economic, they become payments.

And yes, this is why a cap is morally preferable to a carbon tax, to bring back an old argument.  But the real (really real!) point is that your opinion and mine don't matter on issues like this, what matters is how people actually think and respond.  That is a solvable problem.


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Moral Sanctions Don't Necessarily Come In A Box (4.00 / 2)
But they definitely come.

20 years ago, who would have thought it would ever be uncool to smoke?

Who would have thought that hybrids would be the cool cars?

And, yes, I got your point originally.  That's why I made the point that I never expected costs to magically solve everything.  You need multiple ways to effectively express societal disapproval.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Quantum mechanics is a myth;... (4.00 / 1)
...it isn't even in the Bible!
P.S. Plus, relativity is blasphemous. And don't even get me started on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle as interpreted by the Coen brothers!!!

But OTOH, What About The Abol Brothers Interpretation??? (0.00 / 0)
And what if the four of them met in Copenhagen?  What then?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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But. . . (0.00 / 0)
If people aren't being virtuous, what makes you think that they would go along with being ethical in general? Are they discarding virtue in favor of utilitarianism or deontologicalism? Or are they simply discarding virtue?

I'd Rather Study Than Suppose (4.00 / 1)
It would seem more prudent, don't you think?

But it seems rather likely that different folks rely on different modes of moral reasoning at different times, in different situations, and that this holds true in novel and imaginative situations probably even more diversely than it does in commonplace ones.  Meaning that it will likely be even harder to predict.

Unless, of course, it turns out that it isn't.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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But (0.00 / 0)
But how much do people act from moral reasoning?

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All the time (4.00 / 3)
Every time you don't walk into your next door neighbor's house and steal his stuff, you are acting from moral reasoning.  Same with every time you tell the truth, don't slip that iPod from you workmate's desk into your pocket, look for a recycling bin for that soda can etc.  The other times, like when you choose to lie, qualify as well.

We literally make hundreds of small, moral decisions every day.  Most pass by unnoticed.  Some of this is social conditioning, some is not wanting to be caught and so on, but those are components of moral reasoning.

How often do we find ourselves with the really big, deep moral decisions?  Not that often.  But probably more often than you realize.


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Moral reasoning (0.00 / 0)
If someone doesn't commit crimes because that person is afraid of arrest, is that acting from moral reasoning?

Also, this thread is predicated on the assumption that people are not making the correct moral choices with respect to the environment. Are their errors (if such they be) products of moral reasoning?


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I say so, yes (0.00 / 0)
If someone doesn't commit crimes because that person is afraid of arrest, is that acting from moral reasoning?

It is poor, shallow, selfish moral reasoning, but I'd still call it moral reasoning.  We can even make up a fancy term, if that helps: Personal Consequentialism -- that which improves my happiness overall is the correct moral choice.

But yes, I'd say that poor moral reasoning still qualifies as moral reasoning.

Also, this thread is predicated on the assumption that people are not making the correct moral choices with respect to the environment. Are their errors (if such they be) products of moral reasoning?

Not on purpose.  I guess I could go with either the interpretation that these errors are a result of imperfect moral reasoning or they are incidental to moral reasoning, though I prefer the former.  The key point, though, is the solution could come in the form of improved moral reasoning.


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How can you "study" without a hypothesis (0.00 / 0)
and what is a hypothesis other than a supposition to be tested?

It is very prudent to base scientific studies on supposition and hypotheses, IMHO.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Not true (0.00 / 0)
You shouldn't have a hypothesis unless you have a reasonable guess based on data.  A hypothesis tries to explain the data.

You then extrapolate from the hypothesis to see what else it would predict, and then do the type of experiment you are thinking of.  But you can't just jump to the end step.


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Functionally (4.00 / 1)
the hypothesis is the beginning of the process. I assume that the preliminary data and literature bases have already been done - else out of the "study" and work on the basics. Science is really more of a spiral, anyway. In some sense we are both correct, just stepping into the spiral at different points, perhaps.

I suggest that a scientist should always make an effort to develop a hypothesis or two before beginning a study of a topic. For example, let's say that someone is pursuing a "study" that is mostly concerned with finding out what information and "facts" exist concerning a particular subject. A potential hypothesis might be, "There is sufficient information and metrics available to rationally judge the relative effectiveness of two available plans to meet some well-defined goal of my choosing." Casting the study as a hypothesis provides direction and structure to the project. Realize that writing good hypotheses is something of an art. As we know, how the questions are phrased has a part in determining which answers are found. Early on, there is also a value in developing multiple hypotheses, even if these contradict.

I'll grant you that the new respect for systems science in the biological and medical fields challenges this mechanism of inquiry to some extent. Many have taken to refering to the global approaches (anything ending with "-omics", i.e. genomic) as "non-hypothesis driven", but I disagree. The hypotheses is that by measuring some parameter for relatively large population of some target in a non-biased (slightly biased) way, one can gain functional insight into the workings of the system within which the targets occur naturally. Or some such. When my colleagues disregard these hypotheses that still drive their work, they are missing the forest for the trees, IMHO.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Well, Sure, In Some Sense (0.00 / 0)
You invariably need some sort of hypothesis in doing science, but it can be of the sort, "If X is true, then x is true, so let's see if x is true."

That doesn't mean you believe "X is true."  That's not the hypothesis. The hypothesis is the implication that the macro-phenomena "X is true" implies the micro-phenomena "x is true."  So you generate your data about whether "x is true" is true.  Then others will develop contrary hypothesis, and propose ways to test them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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