Why not a Nobel for Western dissidents?

by: danps

Sat Oct 16, 2010 at 16:30


(This diary asks a VERY good question. - promoted by Paul Rosenberg)

The Nobel Peace prize has been awarded for many different people and for many different reasons, but there appears to be one area the committee is reluctant to go.

In recent years the Nobel committee has been willing to wade into controversies.  A couple of years ago it awarded its economic prize to Paul Krugman, in what appeared to be a swipe at a sitting president and the still (inexplicably) dominant Chicago school of economics.  Their selection reverberated politically as well; witness the various freakouts among conservative observers and commentators.  

This year Nobel awarded the economics prize to Peter Diamond, thus making Richard Shelby look like a dumb hillbilly.  By highlighting reflexive Republican opposition (one might say America has been Gop-blocked) the selection puts conservatives on the defensive.  Considering the damage their royalist economic policies have wrought, this is a very good thing.

Their science awards have been political too.  The 2007 award was another direct challenge to the American right, which even now continues to pretend the issue does not even exist.  Considering the resolute ignorance of modern conservatives, awarding a science prize at all may be provocative.

That is what makes its Peace Prize awards somewhat curious.  I remember reading years ago (I don't remember the source) that it might be awarded to political leaders or activists just about anywhere, but only non-Western dissidents could win.  Looking at the list from the past thirty years or so that certainly seems to hold up.  Aung San Suu Kyi, the Dalai Lama and Oscar Arias Sánchez all have won for raising their voices against local governments, but no one in the West has.

Cross posted from Pruning Shears.

danps :: Why not a Nobel for Western dissidents?

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In the same way some people were greatly agitated by calling those displaced by hurricane Katrina "refugees," there may be a reluctance to refer to dissidents in our backyard.  Such people only exist in other cultures, where foreign regimes use heavy handed tactics to suppress dissent.  But the fact is, we stifle those we don't want to hear, too.  We do it with more subtlety - nothing as gauche as house arrest or imprisonment, thank you - but we unquestionably find ways to ostracize those who tell us things we do not want to hear.

One example of a Western dissident is Scott Ritter.  Back when America's leaders were nearly trembling with excitement at the prospect of launching a war of aggression, Ritter was one of a handful of well-placed voices raising legitimate questions.  He consistently pointed out that Iraq most likely did not have WMD.  For his efforts he was mercilessly attacked, made the target of a smear campaign and sneeringly mocked as suffering from Stockholm syndrome.  Washington political and media elites turned on him, launching all manner of character assassination but never taking on the substance of his arguments.

It worked.  He was (and remains) marginalized.  For all the static Paul Krugman has gotten in challenging Milton Friedman's acolytes, how much worse was it for Ritter?  How much higher were the stakes, more uniform the opposition and more coordinated the attacks?  By October 2002 Ritter had been making the argument for months that "we cannot go to war on guesswork, hypothesis and speculation."  How much would it have legitimized him to have won the Nobel Peace prize at that crucial moment?

Liu Xiaobo's recent win of the prize brought this back to mind, because it looks somewhat timid.  Right now America is engaged in a hot war in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  People are getting killed there on a daily basis.  Is there anyone trying to bring that war to an end?  Someone being targeted by a smear campaign?  Whose critics are not engaging on the facts?  Who maybe could use the shot in the arm of good PR that a Nobel would bring?  Of course there is: Julian Assange.  His posting of video of an Apache helicopter attack in Iraq in 2007 gave the world an unvarnished look at what happens when America's war machine goes wrong.  Then he followed up with a massive document dump from Afghanistan.  By the end of summer there was a precipitous drop in support for the war.

WikiLeaks seems partially responsible for that.  Awarding the Nobel to Assange would certainly be controversial, but the committee has not shied from that elsewhere.  If not Assange then some other thorn in the side of America's war cheerleaders.  It would probably not be any more welcome than Xiaobo's win was to China, but isn't that kind of the point?  It seems that in this one area the committee has a blind spot, one that mitigates the good it can do.  It has the reputation to be able to withstand some hostility from presumed allies.  It would be nice to see them risk a little bit of that.


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It's pretty simple (4.00 / 4)
The examples you gave of dissidents (although Oscar Arias Sanchez can't be described as a dissident, since he was the neoliberal president of Costa Rica at the time, and his award was for his work towards a Central American peace accord) were give the Nobel Peace Prize for their support of democracy and/or human rights.  Or more specifically, for their support of Western notions of democracy and/or human rights.  

In the West, these are accepted as the norm, which is why the last person that might be described as a Western dissident to win a Nobel might be Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1964.  People who hold what you might consider dissident positions are capable of running for political office and using political freedoms to try and spread their opinions.

You wonder why Scott Ritter was not considered for the Nobel Peace Prize for questioning whether Iraq really possessed WMDs.  One reason is that someone else received the prize for that reason.  In 2005, Mohammed ElBaradei and the IAEA received the prize, which was clearly a rebuke towards the United States for failed efforts to block ElBaradei's reappointment to a third term as agency head because he disagreed with the Bush administration on the presence of WMDs in Iraq and Iran.

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Thanks for the feedback, Anthony (4.00 / 2)
Your point about ElBaradei is well taken, but I think his being a UN official put him outside the US political system in a way Ritter - as an American and a private citizen - was not.  Also, he won in 2005.  I think 2002 was the year to make the Peace Prize about Iraq because bombs hadn't started falling yet.

I think it's interesting you write "support of Western notions of democracy and/or human rights" are accepted as the norm here.  I tend to think we very much stifle dissent here, though it's done in a less brutal matter.  Ritter wasn't imprisoned like a Chinese democracy activist or rubbed out like a Russian journalist, but he was one of a very few well-placed voices of dissent in the runup to the war.  He was definitely marginalized, and that helped pave the way for war.

Something else to consider: The kind of outrageous abuses we've seen in Burma, China and Russia are done to, ahem, promote conformity among the populace.  That's pernicious, but our more genteel sidelining of Iraq critics facilitated a war with a six figure body count.  I think the consequences of the abuse deserve consideration along with the abuse itself.

Thanks again for the thoughtful feedback!


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That timeline doesn't work (4.00 / 1)
The Nobel Peace Prize recipient is normally announced in early October.  The PR campaign to invade Iraq really kicked into high gear in September.  So, you would have basically a month to decide that this was something that needed to be addressed.

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but the IPCC won a Peace Prize (4.00 / 2)
not a "science" (Physics/Chem/Medicine) prize.  And while Obama is hardly a dissident their 2009 award was certainly intended to rebuke the American right.



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because the nobel is an establishment award (4.00 / 2)
right now, it appears to be a way a european establishment sends a message to the american establishment (see: obama, nobel peace prize).

Asking them to support an award for dissidents in the west is basically arguing that there should be a much bigger split between european and american attitudes towards politics / foreign policy.  Which is fair enough, but that's what the argument is, I think.

my speculation.  


I like the thrust of your argument (4.00 / 1)
but I don't know if I'd compare the examples you're citing to Aung San Suu Kyi or the Dalai Lama--they aren't dissidents raising their voices against local governments.  They are deposed heads of state.  They are the legitimate and legal voices for their people.  The only metaphor that you could draw would be to Al Gore, perhaps, but he no longer contests his election, and was never jailed (and he won the peace prize, anyway).  

Good point, Valatan (4.00 / 1)
Thanks for the feedback.

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Well, Aung San Suu Kyi Never Made It To Head Of Stated (0.00 / 0)
She was predeposed, so to say.

Which made her a private citizen dissident.  The weren't about to let her become head of state.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well, Suu Kyi was elected in 1990 allright. (0.00 / 0)
She was the leader and the candidate of the National League for Democracy and won that election fair and square. It was only the military junta which prevented her from becoming heaqd of state. So, excuse me pls, Paul, but imho your objection is a bit nitpicking!

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You AGREE With Me AND You Object??? (0.00 / 0)
Me:
Well, Aung San Suu Kyi Never Made It To Head Of Stated [sic]

You:

It was only the military junta which prevented her from becoming heaqd [sic] of state.

Our only disagreement is where we misplace that rambling "d".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I oppose the characterization as "a private citizen dissident" (0.00 / 0)
That's too simplistic. Aung San Suu Kyi isn't simply "a private citizen dissident" like, say, a Chinese blogger. Her stature as the candidate and leader of the party that actually won the 1990 election, and the impact of her opposition vastly exceeds that of a "private citizen".

And then, pls read the WHOLE thread again, it was YOU who somewhat nitpickingly objected to Valatan's point that "they aren't dissidents raising their voices against local governments.  They are deposed heads of state." Imho your objection, while formally correct, misses Valatan's point and is a bit small-minded. What was that good for, really?


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I'm unclear on this sentence: (0.00 / 0)
"Liu Xiaobo's recent win of the prize brought this back to mind, because it looks somewhat timid." It refers back to the win, I'm to understand." Uh, my sister worked in human rights in China so pardon me if I'm unsympathetic here, but it's hard for me not to notice that this post reads as a nicely intellectualized, "But what about the white menz?" If you want to attack the choice of Obama, go to town, fine. But, really, no one finds the argument that Western white men are a riskier "choice" than Eastern non-white men and women at all problematic? Is Assange currently in prison? Has he been there for an extended period of time? And, likewise, have African women writers come forth to argue that they felt exploited by Liu Xiaobo, as they have Assange?    

Sorry for the unclear writing (0.00 / 0)
I didn't mean to imply that an Eastern woman is a less risky choice.  What I was trying to get at was this: the Peace prize has basically ignored protesters against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Awarding it to someone like Assange - not necessarily a man, not necessarily white - whose actions are substantially helping to bring about the end of either of those wars would be a very good thing.  It would also be uncharacteristic of their choices over the past few decades.

It wasn't meant to slight this year's winner but to point out the potentially outsized impact it could have for WikiLeaks right now considering the pressure it is under.  And while I can't speak to any kind of underlying sexism (I wasn't consciously thinking about gender as I wrote it but I'll leave it to each reader to decide if there's any gender bias) I was consciously trying to confront a certain kind of Western chauvinism: Namely, the idea that here in the West we don't have dissidents.

Finally, while Assange is not in prison, the more "civilized" form of ostracism being practiced against him is helping to continue a war that claims dozens of lives every week.  I think it's fair to not just look at the ill treatment but the human rights issues that underlie it.  In that respect I think it could be argued that ending the war in Afghanistan is a more urgent human rights issue than ending political repression in China, though obviously the trying to quantify which kind of horrible abuse is worse is a loser's game.

Thanks for the feedback, and again I apologize for not being clearer.


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