WikiLeaks releases 250,000 diplomatic cables

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Nov 28, 2010 at 15:00


US Death & Lies Machine Temprorarily Disrupted

Of course the US government is freaking out, warning of blood on the streets.  News flash: There's already blood on the streets.  As Daniel Ellsberg has explained countless times, this is what they always say.  And it's virtually always a false alarm.  Besides, blood in the streets, that's pretty much what wars, espionage and such are all about, in'it?

We're supposed to worry that this massive leak will impede the ability of the US government to connive in secret behind everyone's back?  Well, after the past 10 years in particular, who in the world honestly thinks that would be a bad thing?

Maybe if Barack Obama had changed that policy one iota, as his entire campaign was implicitly and explicitly based upon doing, folks might feel a little differently.  But as things stand today?  Not so much.

From the Guardian,UK:

US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis
• More than 250,000 dispatches reveal US foreign strategies
• Diplomats ordered to spy on allies as well as enemies
• Hillary Clinton leads frantic 'damage limitation'

David Leigh
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 28 November 2010 17.50 GMT

The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables - many of which are designated "secret" - the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN's leadership.

These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistlebowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a major shift in relations between China and North Korea, Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:
• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme
• Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime.
• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.
• Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.

OMG!  "Inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family"!  It must be Tuesday. Or Sunday. Whatever.  One of those days ending in "y".

Equally shocking/surprising was the revelation that US diplomats spy on people (!!!):

Paul Rosenberg :: WikiLeaks releases 250,000 diplomatic cables
The cables published today reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.

Classified "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Hillary Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice, instruct officials to gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA.

The most controversial target was the leadership of the United Nations. That directive requested the specification of telecoms and IT systems used by top UN officials and their staff and details of "private VIP networks used for official communication, to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys".

Which, of course, the government denies ("Mumble-mumble-mumble. What cookies? Mumble-mumble-mumble. My mouth is--mumble-mumble-mumble--not full of fresh-baked stolen cookies. Mumble-mumble-mumble.  And besides--mumble-mumble-mumble--she stole some, too!):

When the Guardian put this allegation to Crowley, the state department spokesman said: "Let me assure you: our diplomats are just that, diplomats. They do not engage in intelligence activities. They represent our country around the world, maintain open and transparent contact with other governments as well as public and private figures, and report home. That's what diplomats have done for hundreds of years."

Specifically, with regards to Iran and related matters, the Guardian reports:

Embassy cables reveal the US, Israel and Arab states suspect Iran is close to acquiring nuclear weapons despite Tehran's insistence that its programme is designed to supply energy. Photograph: Morteza Nikoubazl/Reuters

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme, according to leaked US diplomatic cables that describe how other Arab allies have secretly agitated for military action against Tehran.

The revelations, in secret memos from US embassies across the Middle East, expose behind-the-scenes pressures in the scramble to contain the Islamic Republic, which the US, Arab states and Israel suspect is close to acquiring nuclear weapons. Bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has hitherto been viewed as a desperate last resort that could ignite a far wider war.

The Saudi king was recorded as having "frequently exhorted the US to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons programme", one cable stated. "He told you [Americans] to cut off the head of the snake," the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir said, according to a report on Abdullah's meeting with the US general David Petraeus in April 2008.

The cables also highlight Israel's anxiety to preserve its regional nuclear monopoly, its readiness to go it alone against Iran - and its unstinting attempts to influence American policy. The defence minister, Ehud Barak, estimated in June 2009 that there was a window of "between six and 18 months from now in which stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons might still be viable". After that, Barak said, "any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage."

The leaked US cables also reveal that:
• Officials in Jordan and Bahrain have openly called for Iran's nuclear programme to be stopped by any means, including military.
• Leaders in Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt referred to Iran as "evil", an "existential threat" and a power that "is going to take us to war".
• Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, warned in February that if diplomatic efforts failed, "we risk nuclear proliferation in the Middle East, war prompted by an Israeli strike, or both".
• Major General Amos Yadlin, Israeli's military intelligence chief, warned last year: "Israel is not in a position to underestimate Iran and be surprised like the US was on 11 September 2001."

AP:

The Obama administration has told whistleblower WikiLeaks that its expected imminent release of classified State Department cables will put "countless" lives at risk, threaten global counterterrorism operations and jeopardize U.S. relations with its allies.

Reality:  If the WikiLeaks document dump stops the US from doing even one mid-level stupid thing, it will be a clear net gain on the order of 10-to-1, at least.

Heck, just the fact that WikiLeaks has got the State Department distracted & dealing with damage control for a few days is probably enough to make it a net gain.  This government can't even put people back to work using principles and practices that have been known for over 70 years.  Add that on top of the fighting-fire-with-gasoline response to 9/11 that the Obama Administration is continuing to follow with no end in sight, and the presumption that its doing good things in the world that shouldn't be interfered with is gone, baby, gone.

If our government itself won't make a serious attempt to learn from its own egregious mistakes--up to and including war crimes and crimes against humanity--then it has forfeited the moral high ground, and any legitimate authority to tell other people not to take a good hard look at everything it's done.


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Check the wikileak map for hotspots! (0.00 / 0)
Here:
http://www.spiegel.de/flash/fl...

And then ask yourself, what's the matter with Australia? It's barely on the map, no thrilling secrets coming from there? Wtf? My suspicion: Folks in down under are totally boring, refuse to play along in the global spy game, and nobody cares about them anyway!
:D
(sry, Aussies, only joking!)


That didn't stop the Australians (4.00 / 2)
from moving to re-activate the DA system for media censorship two days ago, in anticipation of Wikileaks. There is also a bill under consideration to impose a Chinese-style internet filter.

[ Parent ]
Btw, some of the stuff by US diplomats is rather lame. (0.00 / 0)
For instance, that Angela "Teflon" Merkel is "avoiding risk and rarely creative"! I mean, come on, you can find that statement in virutally EVERY comment thread about Merkel at German online papers or political blogs (and, of course, some of those comments are from yours truly). What a "secret"!
:D

Much more like political dynamite here: Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg... (0.00 / 0)
...secretary of defense, CDU member, who aparently badmouthed the secretary of state, openly gay Guido Westerwelle (FDP), and brought his smear to the konwledge of US diplomats. This is gonna hurt Gutenberg, who is popular (don't ask me why, imho he's a used car salesman) and a media darling. Hopefully, not so much anymore! That he showed himself to be an intrigant should have an impact.  

[ Parent ]
Hypocrisy (4.00 / 9)
Angela Merkel is "avoiding risk and rarely creative"

The administration of Barack Obama said that about someone?  Man, that takes some nerve.


[ Parent ]
Hehehe, that's a point. (0.00 / 0)
Looks like the administration is very sharpsighted when it comes to judging others. Only when they look into the mirror they turn into Marilyn Monroe in "How to marry a millionaire"!
:D

[ Parent ]
LOL! (4.00 / 4)
Well, as far as Obama is concerned, I suppose it takes one to know one.

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
Benjamin Franklin


[ Parent ]
There is one story out thus far which is pretty damning: (4.00 / 2)
A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.

It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.

Washington also wanted credit card numbers, email addresses, phone, fax and pager numbers and even frequent-flyer account numbers for UN figures and "biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives".

(snip)

The operation targeted at the UN appears to have involved all of Washington's main intelligence agencies. The CIA's clandestine service, the US Secret Service and the FBI were included in the "reporting and collection needs" cable alongside the state department under the heading "collection requirements and tasking".

The leak of the directive is likely to spark questions about the legality of the operation and about whether state department diplomats are expected to spy. The level of technical and personal detail demanded about the UN top team's communication systems could be seen as laying the groundwork for surveillance or hacking operations. It requested "current technical specifications, physical layout and planned upgrades to telecommunications infrastructure and information systems, networks and technologies used by top officials and their support staff", as well as details on private networks used for official communication, "to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys and virtual private network versions used".

The UN has previously asserted that bugging the secretary general is illegal, citing the 1946 UN convention on privileges and immunities which states: "The premises of the United Nations shall be inviolable. The property and assets of the United Nations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference, whether by executive, administrative, judicial or legislative action".

The 1961 Vienna convention on diplomatic relations, which covers the UN, also states that "the official correspondence of the mission shall be inviolable".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

DNA and other biometric data? Looks like pretty aggressive ops against UN leadership to me. Hacking in the very least, but potentially a lot more... possibly with an eye for blackmail ops as well. Potentially...

In any case, it's obvious the current crew has done nothing but expand upon the Bushists' activities. John Bolton might as well  have stayed on as UN Ambassador, it seems. Then again, I seriously doubt the major players on the SC find this remotely surprising. I'm sure they're well aware of the level of ops directed against them. If nothing else, Ban Ki Moon now has every reason to treat the US rather badly. Can't say I would blame him if he did. Iris scans, DNA and all that? That's getting pretty personal, eh?

Oh, and the stuff about the WHO director raises an interesting question: Why is the US so terribly interested in gaining that kind of leverage with the WHO director? Methinks there's a corporate agenda at work on that one. In any case, I'd really like to know the answer to that one.

Still, this gives certain interested parties a lot of ammo to push back against US aggression. Perhaps that's for the best. Perhaps not. Methinks it's too soon to say.

On the flip side of all this, it's also readily apparent there is a lot of stuff in here supporting an attack on Iran. That's quite an unintended propaganda coup for the Obama Administration, so maybe they shouldn't be quite so upset at all this. They can now say, after all, that "everyone wants to attack Iran," when it happens, and it will be hard to actually argue with that, won't it? So kudos to the Obama and Bush administrations for loading the pipeline with all that crap. They've managed to create the ambience of inevitability to the next heinous crime against humanity. Job well done, sirs and madams!

AIPAC must be very happy with that aspect of this release.



"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


It's not news that the US Government hates the UN. (4.00 / 1)
We vote against everything unless it advances our interests or those of Israel. One wonders if we had another episode like the Taliban impostor. Maybe somebody thought this biometric data would help us tell Korean Secretary Generals from all the other Koreans. Never underestimate the stupidity of the intelligence community.

[ Parent ]
The Fire Department Fights Fires. The Intelligence Community Fights Intelligenece. (4.00 / 1)
Never underestimate the stupidity of the intelligence community.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Israel Cannot "Go It Alone" Against Iran (4.00 / 3)
According to a report from 2009 by the K-Street Center for Strategic and International Studies, Israel lacks the military and diplomatic resources to pull off a unilateral attack against Iran.  

While a few months old, the discussion on Angry Bear which situates this report in the context of our withdraw from Iraq by 2002, is well worth reading.

In this setting, the comments by Arab leaders urging Israel to attack unilaterally suggest they too are using this "threat" as a canard to get the U.S. involved directly by helping to stoke the neocon propaganda machine.


We'll see if the indignant response (0.00 / 0)
to the leaks as crime and stolen information proffered by Obama and Hillary Clinton blows over....

Arab leaders stoke the "neocon propaganda machine" not as a canard, but to support and justify U.S. aggression in its next war, as Emocrat says above:

...it's also readily apparent there is a lot of stuff in here supporting an attack on Iran. That's quite an unintended propaganda coup for the Obama Administration, so maybe they shouldn't be quite so upset at all this. They can now say, after all, that "everyone wants to attack Iran," when it happens, and it will be hard to actually argue with that, won't it? So kudos to the Obama and Bush administrations for loading the pipeline with all that crap. They've managed to create the ambience of inevitability to the next heinous crime against humanity. Job well done, sirs and madams!

Would they dare blame Wikileaks for an attack on Iran?!?

If so, they'd have to thank Wikileaks for China diplomacy towards North Korea!!

....no direct relationships, of course, but it's all part of the tangled web, in this case, of international relations.  


[ Parent ]
As I say above, threat of Israel going it alone is the canard (0.00 / 0)
because all sides know it isn't an option.

[ Parent ]
link to the full version of the docs, indexed (4.00 / 2)
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/

way to go, America!


This is TREASON, if an American is involved. (0.00 / 0)
It is also a damning situation on privatization of purely government responsibilities to keep our nation safe. Issa should spend his time examining the privatization of government services by the Bushies and beyond. This is an egregious violation of national security. there is a presumption of right to privacy for diplomatic communiques. How else could anyone risk anything to talk to the US reps, if there is a possibility of such information being released prematurely. Issa has something worthwhile to do, perhaps he should focus on the nation's security than on whether he can get Obama.

Well, Diplomats are also bound NOT to spy! (0.00 / 0)
Or else they can be kicked out of the country faster than you can say "persona non grata"!

Well, I'd say, a nation which orders its diplomats to spy, in violation of international law, hasn't exactly a strong standing to protest an alleged breach of diplomatic communications...


[ Parent ]
Not really a big deal (0.00 / 0)
Diplomatic corps have always been rife with spies.  It's always been that way and always will be.  One reason for having foreign embassies is to have a base for your spies to work out of.  That way, with official cover (as opposed to the non-official cover that Valerie Plame worked under), your spies have some protection if caught.

It's embarrassing to be caught, but no one well-informed should be shocked that diplomats gather human intelligence.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


[ Parent ]
It's one thing to have a military attachee who's a spy. (0.00 / 0)
That's even somewhat of a tradition in diplomacy. It's quite different to order ALL diplomats to spy, going so far as collecting DNA! Just imagine, Anthony, the impact this unprecedented order by the state department will have on foreign relations. Don't you think this will change the way US diplomats are treated? Wouldn't be suprised if people will be much more hesitant to meet or invite them, and appoint a watchdog to have an eye on them whenever an invitation can't be avoided!

[ Parent ]
It is not treason (4.00 / 1)
a crime which is defined in the Constitution. If it's important enough to use all caps, it's important enough to get your facts right.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

[ Parent ]
this seems to upset you (4.00 / 1)
are you cool with Obama waging undeclared war in Pakistan and Yemen?

[ Parent ]
Undelcared war? (0.00 / 0)
I wonder what my actual opinion of what either the Obama administration or the Bush Administration would be if I had a clue of what was actually going on in the world. Instead we get fed tidbits of information and haphazardly put it all together and now we actually think it's a "net gain" when classified information gets leaked. YAY WIKILEAKES!!!

[ Parent ]
the title of your post doesn't really get covered in the body (0.00 / 0)
japanese bird cooking spaghetti

[ Parent ]
Japanese bird cooking spaghettig (0.00 / 0)
Undeclared war? I would call it that if I had a clue of the strategic implications of AQM hiding out in Baluchistan or the newly created Pashtun province and how they support or don't support efforts in Afghanistan. I'd have a deeper opinion on that if I knew exactly what was going on and could put all the information about it together but I can't.

My title did but I guess my message wasn't detailed enough for you to understand the massive amounts of information that our government officials probably have to wade through. Which we don't even get to see and probably shouldn't.


[ Parent ]
and you are on the right track - (0.00 / 0)
onward to the 'revolution' - All you got to do is to feed these governments with too much information and sooner or later they cry "uncle"!

(or - the best way that nobody reads it is to release thousand and thousand pages of 'stuff?)


[ Parent ]
attacking a sovereign country without declaring war (4.00 / 1)
would be an "undecalred war"

regardless of who is "hiding out" there

also the level of subservience in your post would be astounding if I knew who you were and was sure you're not just an OFA astroturfer


[ Parent ]
Pakistan? (0.00 / 0)
Your level of ignorance about what actually goes on in Pakistan is astounding. Are you sure were "attacking" their sovereignty? And if we are how so? Would it actually be hard to believe that the Pakistani government allows US soldiers into their country to advise and assist them? Specially being the amount of AID we give them?

[ Parent ]
launching robot planes that blow people up would constitute an "attack" (4.00 / 1)
hey remember this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

seriously why are you here and not on DailyKos or Freep or something


[ Parent ]
Robot Planes (0.00 / 0)
That craziness happens on our border with Mexico. They dig tunnels under our border to transport drugs and put bus loads of tourists into mass graves but were not at war with them. I wonder if the Pakistanis have a hand in calling in some of these drone attacks? Since maybe they are working with our military in their country.

Seriously a blog where people exchange different ideals and would be interesting. A blog where people exchange the same ideals would be a group hug and lame. It's all discussion and I'm just posting a different point of view.


[ Parent ]
that first paragraph was fucking hilarious (4.00 / 2)
thank you sir for the larff

[ Parent ]
And because YOU have no clue... (0.00 / 0)
..it's not undeclared war? Hmmm. Sry, but I really can't see the logic behind your argument...
Solipsism, much?

[ Parent ]
where is the juicy stuff? (0.00 / 0)
who slept with whom?
who can be bribed?
who said about whom he is a 'dog'?

Gimme the juicy stuff?

(or I have to go back to Boris Beckers 'memoirs'!)


and I'm really disappointed! (0.00 / 0)
I mean Charlie Sheen produces more 'stuff' like that in one single night!  

[ Parent ]
Aw, come on, poc, what an unfair comparison! (0.00 / 0)
Of course, bad boy Charlie produces more crap in one night than a thousand diplomats! He's a spoiled hollywood star on drugs, for effing sake. The diplomats, on the other hand, are carreer concious bureaucrats who act like they're moving in a minefield (which isn't that far from truth, actually).
:D

[ Parent ]
it's tremendously unfair - (4.00 / 1)
but do American Diplomats have to be THAT boring? - Even in the movies they are more -(candid) and exciting - and as reality nowadays imitates fiction -(and not the other way around) -  they could have tried harder!
But in one way this "leak" is (un) exceptional: There is probably absolutely nothing to be found, which hasn't been said and written on some Internet blog before - What a perfect symbol for our times where something can be so wonderful contradictionary - always terrifying but nothing new and boring at the same time?  

[ Parent ]
Hey, US diplomats are STILL human beings... (0.00 / 0)
...and, for instance, love gossip, too. Look at this gem from cablegate, found somewhere in German media coverage:

US diplomats reported to Washington that Mehriban Aliyeva, the wife of the president of Azerbaijan, had so much plastic surgery that she's become undistinguishable from her own daughter, at a distance, but also resulting in her face essentially becoming frozen!

Well, how about this as an example of the shocking secrets in US state dept communications, that shouldn't have been allowed to become public? Hehehe!

http://twitter.com/graygoods


[ Parent ]
re: diplomats (0.00 / 0)
Hey, US diplomats are STILL human beings...

are you sure?


[ Parent ]
Uh, well... (0.00 / 0)
... I guess...
Got me!

[ Parent ]
Would You Believe... (0.00 / 0)
featherless bipeds?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
well here's a thing (4.00 / 2)
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org...

¶3. PERHAPS THE SINGLE DOMINANT ASPECT OF THE PERSIAN
PSYCHE IS AN OVERRIDING EGOISM. ITS ANTECEDENTS LIE
IN THE LONG IRANIAN HISTORY OF INSTABILITY AND INSECURITY
WHICH PUT A PREMIUM ON SELF-PRESERVATION. THE PRACTICAL
EFFECT OF IT IS AN ALMOST TOTAL PERSIAN PREOCCUPATION
WITH SELF AND LEAVES LITTLE ROOM FOR UNDERSTANDING POINTS
OF VIEW OTHER THAN ONE'S OWN. THUS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT
IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO AN IRANIAN THAT U.S. IMMIGRATION
LAW MAY PROHIBIT ISSUING HIM A TOURIST VISA WHEN HE HAS
DETERMINED THAT HE WANTS TO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.
SIMILARLY, THE IRANIAN CENTRAL BANK SEES NO INCONSISTENCY
IN CLAIMING FORCE MAJEURE TO AVOID PENALTIES FOR LATE
PAYMENT OF INTEREST DUE ON OUTSTANDING LOANS WHILE THE
GOVERNMENT OF WHICH IT IS A PART IS DENYING THE VAILIDITY
OF THE VERY GROUNDS UPON WHICH THE CLAIM IS MADE WHEN
CONFRONTED BY SIMILAR CLAIMS FROM FOREIGN FIRMS FORCED
TO CEASE OPERATIONS DURING THE IRANIAN REVOLUTION.


Those Damn Furriners Is ALL Nuts! (4.00 / 1)
Don't need no classy-fied cables to tell us that!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
aaaaparently there's good stuff in there about the 2009 Honduras coup being illegal (0.00 / 0)
but according to stupid stupid stupid Kevin Drum (Stupid, Irvine, CA) there's "nothing to see here, moving along"

right now both the Nation and Mother Jones are moving into New Republic territory


[ Parent ]
Well, I'm not a big fan of Drum anymore, either. (0.00 / 0)
After being a regular commenter for quite some time at his ole WaMo blog. Dunno if he or I have changed, but he's much too centrist and "serious" for my liking nowadays. However, what to expect from someone who voluntarily becomes a slave of the Irvine Co? Let's be happy he didn't become a libertarian yet, like many of the folks at the irvinehousingblog.com!

[ Parent ]
Sad to see Mother Jones going the way of the dino (4.00 / 1)
dinosaur, that is. Probably no money.

I remember when Mother Jones was the primo source for alternative news/analysis/viewpoint. The mag seems to be dwarfed now by other, superior sources for alternative news. I just recently unsubscribed from their e-mail edition..I hardly ever read it - not too much original, news analysis/stories mostly a little late, compared to all the other good outlets online.

Utne Reader is another one. Used to be revered, or at least by me. I just checked..it's still publishing - print and online. I never come across it anywhere - not on line or in print.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, it's tragic to see ole Ma Jones suffer into obscurity (0.00 / 0)
And imho it started when the new management dropped the famous, bold slogan: "A legacy of raising hell, a commitment to journalism." For heaven's sake, WHAT where they thinking? Which real marketing expert would drop such a great claim, a battle cry for the readership? IDIOTIC!

And then they dropped Fiore, whose flash cartoons must have created a lot of clicks. Couldn't they afford him anymore? Such cost cutting only accelerates the decline! They should have looked harder to find new talents for the opinion pages instead! There sure are some gr8 bloggers somewhere who would have brought some fresh wind into the magazine. The rather lame centrists David Corn and Kevin Drum, on the other hand, didn't even make it into the Top30 of the recent The Nation poll.

Btw, The Nation, they have a reputation of being chronically short of money, too. But THEY attract young readers, and stay relevant with talents like Naomi Klein, Scahill, Hayes, Hedges and the spirited editor Katrina VanDenHeuvel. Ma Jones, on the other hand, is run by young, ambitious editors who suffer from having NO CLUE about what Mary Harris Jones stood for or how to create an attractive paper that combines this tradition with the zeitgeist of the 21st century. Damn!


[ Parent ]
Btw, countless Michelle Kellys at Twitter... (0.00 / 0)
..any one of them you? Would like to follow! I want to hear more from commenters at Twitter, and not only from bloggers.

[ Parent ]
Sorry I'm not a Twitter (0.00 / 0)
don't carry mobile internet..yet.

Thanks, though. And BTW, I like seeing your many insightful comments here...


[ Parent ]
Thank you, Michelle! (0.00 / 0)
And probably good you stay away from Twitter. It's addictive. I'm starting to understand people who use a software like "Freedom" to cut off internet for some hours every day...

Gladly, I'm not that into the mobile craze, even often forget to take my cell phone along, so I can still enjoy real life when I'm going out, too. Still superior 2 the virtual world!


[ Parent ]
Oops, sry, it's "Michele", of course! (0.00 / 0)
Damn, I'm really bad at memorizing names, sry!

[ Parent ]
Indeed, indeed, madmen everywhere! (0.00 / 0)
Except in the US. Reminds me of that guy on the highway, complaining that everybody else is driving the wrong way!
:D
(why don't you Yankees have a word for "Geisterfahrer"? Weird)

[ Parent ]
now - that doesn't even come close - (0.00 / 0)
to how I once overheard an Italian 'Diplomat" 'disecting' the American psyche -(that was truly awesome!) - and I think that's a bit unfair - if you start 'gossiping' you also should get the good stuff from the other side - You can't imagine how wonderful -(for example) - some Arab Diplomats could curse you out - and I don't mean that in any 'bad' way - To insult somebody can be an art form and I have friends who are amazingly creative in it -(not the usual dumb f... you) - I'm taking about pure Poetry here!

[ Parent ]
and reading more and more of this stuff - (4.00 / 1)
I'm actually embarassed -(a bit) - Where is the 'fighting spirit of these American Diplomats? Are they all whoozes? -(ho do you write that?) - (Are they all following Obamas example? - Good Lord - I'm reading Mark Twain right now and there are 'Bonmots' circulating from some much less 'diplomatic' French or German Diplomats -you can deconstruct the whole US with...  

[ Parent ]
and life is soo absurd - (0.00 / 0)
or as some other have noticed - this dump makes the best case for a war against Iran so far -(at least in the mind of certain people - Ahmiwhatever anybody?)

- and what I really don't understand about the Wiki dude - if you reject gossip about yourself and point to the importance of the 'war issues' why didn't he take the time to take all this gossip out of the 'dump' - like the names he blackened before? - was that kind of a 'counterjoke'?


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