Know-nothings learn nothing from WikiLeaks treasure trove. Noam Chomsky shows how to read.

by: Paul Rosenberg

Wed Dec 01, 2010 at 10:30


We've been told--even by people like Kieth Olbermann, who should know better--that theWikiLeaks document dump of State Department cables contains very little serious information.  But, of course, that perception is generated by the same press corps that was totally clueless about its own role in fraudulently leading our nation to war against an ideological enemy of those who attacked us on 9/11. Such a press corps has already proven itself professrionally incapable of recognizing what is significant, and what is not--much less what is simply an outright lie.  To understand the value and significance of the WikiLeaks document dump, you must turn to those who have a reasonable recor of understanding US foreign policy and international relations in the first place.  This is why Tuesday's program of Democracy Now! was so important. First off, Amy Goodman interviewed Investigations Executive Editor David Leigh at the Guardian, who told her that much more was to come:

DAVID LEIGH: These revelations aren't over yet. In fact, they've barely started. We at the Guardian and the other international news organizations will be making revelations, disclosures from now, day-by-day, for probably the next week or more. So, we haven't seen anything yet, really.... In the coming days, we're going to see some quite startling disclosures about Russia, the nature of the Russian state and about bribery and corruption in other countries, particularly in Central Asia. We're going to see a wrath of disclosures about pretty terrible things going on around the world.

But her second guest, Noam Chomsky, gave a clinic on how to read the cables in context.  The segment with him is aptly titled "Noam Chomsky: WikiLeaks Cables Reveal 'Profound Hatred for Democracy on the Part of Our Political Leadership'"  

AMY GOODMAN: What are your thoughts today? For example, we just played this clip of New York republican congress member Peter King who says WikiLeaks should be declared a foreign terrorist organization.

NOAM CHOMSKY: I think that is outlandish. We should understand--and the Pentagon Papers is another case in point--that one of the major reasons for government secrecy is to protect the government from its own population.... If you look at the papers themselves, there are things Americans should have known that others did not want them to know. And as far as I can tell, from what I've seen here, pretty much the same is true.

Goodman went on to play a clip of Hilary Clinton, trying to spin the cables to US propaganda advantage:

Paul Rosenberg :: Know-nothings learn nothing from WikiLeaks treasure trove. Noam Chomsky shows how to read.


HILARY CLINTON: I think that it should not be a surprise to anyone that Iran is a source of great concern, not only in the United States. What comes through in every meeting that I have--anywhere in the world--is a concern about Iranian actions and intentions. So, if anything, any of the comments that are being reported on allegedly from the cables confirm the fact that Iran poses a very serious threat in the eyes of many of her neighbors and a serious concern far beyond her region....

But when she turns to Chomsky, he shrewdly points out what this really means, that the US holds Arab opinion in contempt, and is only concerned with what Arab dictators think. We're no more interested in democracy in the Middle East than we are with it in Florida 2000 or the US Senate today:

AMY GOODMAN: That was Secretary to Hillary Clinton yesterday at a news conference. I wanted to get your comment on Clinton, Netanyahu's comment, and the fact that Abdullah of Saudi Arabia-- the King who is now getting back surgery in the New York-- called for the U.S. to attack Iran. Noam Chomsky?

NOAM CHOMSKY: That essentially reinforces what I said before, that the main significance of the cables that are being released so far is what they tell us about Western leadership. So Hillary Clinton and Benjamin Netanyahu surely know of the careful polls of Arab public opinion. The Brookings Institute just a few months ago released extensive polls of what Arabs think about Iran. The results are rather striking. They show the Arab opinion holds that the major threat in the region is Israel--that's 80. The second major threat is the United States--that's 77. Iran is listed as a threat by 10%.

With regard to nuclear weapons, rather remarkably, a majority--in fact, 57--say that the region would have a positive effect in the region if Iran had nuclear weapons. Now, these are not small numbers. 80, 77, say the U.S. and Israel are the major threat. 10 say Iran is the major threat. This may not be reported in the newspapers here- it is in England- but it's certainly familiar to the Israeli and U.S. governments, and to the ambassadors. But there is not a word about it anywhere. What that reveals is the profound hatred for democracy on the part of our political leadership and the Israeli political leadership. These things aren't even to be mentioned. This seeps its way all through the diplomatic service. The cables to not have any indication of that.

When they talk about Arabs, they mean the Arab dictators, not the population, which is overwhelmingly opposed to the conclusions that the analysts here--Clinton and the media--have drawn. There's also a minor problem; that's the major problem. The minor problem is that we don't know from the cables what the Arab leaders think and say. We know what was selected from the range of what they say. So there is a filtering process. We don't know how much it distorts the information. But there is no question that what is a radical distortion is--or, not even a distortion, a reflection--of the concern that the dictators are what matter. The population does not matter, even if it's overwhelmingly opposed to U.S. policy.

There is, in fact, a great deal of insight to be gained by a careful reading of the cables and a comparison to other sources of information, as Chomsky goes on to demonstrate with respect to invasion/attack on Gaza that immediately preceeding Obama's swearing in:

One of the most interesting cables was a cable from the U.S. ambassador in Israel to Hillary Clinton, which described the attack on Gaza--which we should call the U.S./Israeli attack on Gaza--December 2008. It states correctly there had been a truce. It does not add that during the truce-- which was really not observed by Israel--but during the truce, Hamas scrupulously observed it according to the Israeli government, not a single rocket was fired. That's an omission. But then comes a straight line: it says that in December 2008, Hamas renewed rocket firing and therefore Israel had to attack in self-defense. Now, the ambassador surely is aware that there must be somebody in the American Embassy who reads the Israeli press--the mainstream Israeli press--in which case the embassy is surely aware that it is exactly the opposite: Hamas was calling for a renewal of the cease-fire. Israel considered the offer and rejected it, preferring to bomb rather than have security. Also omitted is that while Israel never observed the cease-fire--it maintained the siege in violation of the truce agreement--on November 4, the U.S. election 2008, the Israeli army invaded Gaza, killed half a dozen Hamas militants, which did lead to an exchange of fire in which all the casualties, as usual, were Palestinian. Then in December, Hamas--when the truce officially ended--Hamas called for renewing it. Israel refused, and the U.S. and Israel chose to launch the war. What the embassy reported is a gross falsification and a very significant one since--since it has to do the justification for the murderous attack--which means either the embassy hasn't a clue to what is going on or else they're lying outright.

So there is clearly a good deal to be learned from these cables, and there's no doubt that future historians will study and cite them to significantly enhance our understanding of events.

See, too, for example, "Cables Hold Clues to US-Iran Mysteries" by Robert Parry on how Obama derailed the potential easing of relationships with Iran, even as he was promising the opposite. Or Robert Naiman, WikiLeaks Honduras: State Dept. Busted on Support of Coup on Obama's support for overthrowing democracy in Central America.  These cables clearly flesh out and document in detail what critical observers have been saying for quite some time.  Now, however, it is no longer a matter that can credibly be debated.

But all this is only matters to apparent to those who actually have at least a minimal understanding of what's going on in the world--and/or an interest in the truth, as opposed to what serves American imperial power.  

And that, of course, excludes all Versailles, almost by definition.

The same, of course, is true about virtually everything else, from unemployment to global warming.

The only thing they really understand is gossip, sex scandals....  And cake.


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haha (4.00 / 4)
i love noam chomsky :)

Two of the most remarkable things to me about the leak is a) that there's TOO much information to actually keep track of, not that there's not enough and b) that the reporting on it is being so badly done.

There are like at least (at least!) 3 big or juicy stories a day that are coming out in the Guardian and some of them are getting lost in the shuffle.  I would guess that there are others that are getting flat out buried.  further, there is NO WAY that anyone has gone through 250,000 cables to actually be able to assert that there's nothing there or that this would happen or that would happen in a few days, which it seems like most would have.

Secondly, if anything, the wikileaks cables are source information for stories.  however, they are just being reported, in the same way that the media has treated government sources.  Yes it is interesting and important what a U.S. diplomat based in Islamabad thinks about Pakistan but at a certain point, I don't care what the cable says after a certain point -I want to know if it's true!  Do some f"£king reporting!


Yes, There's Just Too Much Here (4.00 / 1)
It's really true that the Versailles media really doesn't know how to report anymore.  There are, of course, individual journalists who know how, and even some editors.  But as an institutional whole, it's simply lost the capacity, and the WikiLeaks document dump can be viewed as a lens through which this can be clearly brought into focus.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I completely agree (4.00 / 4)
Wikileaks is a revolutionary, transformative organizartion that change the game as it plays it out.  I would compare it to Napster.  Even after the music industry came for Napster and got it shut down, the path had been opened and there was no way (other than a total internet shutdown) to close it off again.   The musis industry os still flailing about trying to find its place in this new digital world.  The existence of Napster itself is now irrelevant.  

Wikileaks is the same way.  Do what you like to Assange (and even the overall organization), the man has exposed the soft underbelly of the beast and provided a cheap and accessable way to pierce it.  This dragon will die whether Wikileaks lives to deliver the final blow or not.  Everyone has seen how to kill it, there is no way it can survive.


My God (0.00 / 0)
I am sorry for the spelling mistakes. Horrible.

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What "spelling mistakes"? (0.00 / 0)
That's better than most of my comments. Didn't even notice misspellings!

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Good example on the Napster (0.00 / 0)

The Napster gave birth indirectly to Facebook. Did you see Facebook, the movie? I mean The Social Network, that's what they titled the movie.

I'm not personally imagining right now how Wikileaks will evolve, or what will take its place if they manage to prosecute Assange, but somebody surely (hopefully) will.


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But Paul - seriously - (0.00 / 0)
I'm - as probably the major Know-nothing on this blog knew ALL of this already!
And you know what's the MAJOR disappointment for a lot of my friends - that we -(the Americans) - could be so NOT evil - and soo diplomatic!
And do you know - some dudes in Kairo think - Wiki is some kind of American PR operation - BECAUSE - face the FACT compared to thee expectations -(think Obama) - this have been a terrible letdown!
Because we are unimpressed!
WE WANT EVIL! - and REAL evil -(not these little itty bitty stuff )-
So looose the fake drama -(have you been alive in 70th 80th or 90th?) -
Which brings me to the only American Journalist who has the propper take on this foolishnes - guess who? - Our hero  Jon: Stop the (fake) drama dudes!!  
(and are you aware that dump Nr.1 and 2. was really 'relevant' compared to that one?)


wait - I take it all back - (0.00 / 0)
for two seconds I forgot - we live in a world where 'gossip' is the REAL drama and everything else is irrelevant!

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Assange's hacker philosophy (4.00 / 6)
Digby posted a link to a pretty amazing essay on Julian Assange's philosophy yesterday. (The essay includes links to the papers by Assange that it takes as a base, which are archived at Cryptome.)

Digby's post: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com...
The essay, by a blogger who goes by "zunguzungu": http://zunguzungu.wordpress.co...

A couple of quotes from the beginning and the end of zunguzungu's essay:

Most of the news media seems to be losing their minds over Wikileaks without actually reading these essays, even though he describes the function and aims of an organization like Wikileaks in pretty straightforward terms. But, to summarize, he begins by describing a state like the US as essentially an authoritarian conspiracy, and then reasons that the practical strategy for combating that conspiracy is to degrade its ability to conspire, to hinder its ability to “think” as a conspiratorial mind. The metaphor of a computing network is mostly implicit, but utterly crucial: he seeks to oppose the power of the state by treating it like a computer and tossing sand in its diodes.

There is a certain vicious amorality about the Mark Zuckerberg-ian philosophy that all transparency is always and everywhere a good thing, particularly when it’s uttered by the guy who’s busily monetizing your radical transparency. And the way most journalists “expose” secrets as a professional practice — to the extent that they do — is just as narrowly selfish: because they publicize privacy only when there is profit to be made in doing so, they keep their eyes on the valuable muck they are raking, and learn to pledge their future professional existence on a continuing and steady flow of it. In muck they trust.

According to his essay, Julian Assange is trying to do something else. Because we all basically know that the US state — like all states — is basically doing a lot of basically shady things basically all the time, simply revealing the specific ways they are doing these shady things will not be, in and of itself, a necessarily good thing. In some cases, it may be a bad thing, and in many cases, the provisional good it may do will be limited in scope. The question for an ethical human being — and Assange always emphasizes his ethics — has to be the question of what exposing secrets will actually accomplish, what good it will do, what better state of affairs it will bring about. And whether you buy his argument or not, Assange has a clearly articulated vision for how Wikileaks’ activities will “carry us through the mire of politically distorted language, and into a position of clarity,” a strategy for how exposing secrets will ultimately impede the production of future secrets. The point of Wikileaks — as Assange argues — is simply to make Wikileaks unnecessary.

The idea seems to be that the content of the leaks themselves is important, but that an equally important desired effect is the tightening up of security that any leaking produces. Assange's theory is that this in essence will decrease the effectiveness of the system. As zunguzungu puts it:

...his underlying insight is simple and, I think, compelling: while an organization structured by direct and open lines of communication will be much more vulnerable to outside penetration, the more opaque it becomes to itself (as a defense against the outside gaze), the less able it will be to "think" as a system, to communicate with itself. The more conspiratorial it becomes, in a certain sense, the less effective it will be as a conspiracy. The more closed the network is to outside intrusion, the less able it is to engage with that which is outside itself (true hacker theorizing).

Definitely an interesting read, as are Assange's papers.


but don't you get it - (0.00 / 0)
the phantasie was so much 'better' than the reality - For years and years there was this great myth about this great evil empire -(promoted by Hollywood and shared by the big bad commies)- always scheming the most unbelievable schemes -(911? - the Kennedy asassination - you name it!) - and NOW - (no wonder Silvio was laughing) - this 'dump' is like notes from a boy scout camp compare to an average Mafia meeting  - and so I never will forgive Julian that he ruined the last great American myths - (and damn - I lost all face in Kairo!)

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and you know what's one of the funniest news? (0.00 / 0)
this 'sensation news' that Arab leaders pressured America to bomb Iran?
Duuuh!
You just hang out about 20 minutes in a Bazar in Egypt - and you can write a better -(and juicier) - report than this: 'But I'm so afraid to tell'ya' (Mubarak) -

And as perception is everything - Now the major perception besides boring gossip about world leaders (an average German 'rag' gives you more!) -
WILL BE - 'Everybody agrees on bombing Iran - even the Iranian themselves - or wait: some other 'Arabs'!


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All secret organizations tend to go *poof* when exposed to sunlight (4.00 / 1)
The KKK was mostly brought down by a single person who infiltrated the group, and would then relate to the world (radio and papers in those days) all the crazy handshakes, sayings, and such.  Framed in this context, the KKK became the butt of many jokes and lost its allure as a "secret" organization.  People stopped joining up or attending rallies and whamo, overnight the mighty had been hobbled.  One man just posting the truth of the mundane (and silly) practices of this giant operation.

I'm going to have to read that Assange essay, interesting stuff.  Reminds me of that KKK tidbit.


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Alternatively (4.00 / 1)
On Democracy Now! and elsewhere, Assange has described himself as a transparency activist, rather than a peace activist.  There is some overlap with the picture you paint, but the sense of "activist" is somewhat different, more anarchic than one might immediately suppose.

Yet, it's certainly true that the US has increasingly taken on the characteristics of an "emerging democracy" in reverse, devolving into crony capitalism and all of the associated symptomology, in which case, an anarchic political response is almost inevitable, almost as much a part of the system it's attacking as the elements within the system itself.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Julian is fine - (0.00 / 0)
just let's make sure we not only write - sorry "read" him the right way we also should 'spell' out his name with a more impetus - what's about Assantsche?

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It is a very interesting read, but I'm deeply skeptical of (4.00 / 1)
Assange's argument that ",since unjust systems, by their nature induce opponents, and in many places barely have the upper hand, mass leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance."

Does it, or is the enormity of a crisis a point of opportunity for those who seek to do the opposite, along the lines of an informational Shock Doctrine, something that affirms the power of those already with power? I mean, certainly the power of the MSM is affirmed by the scope of the leak- who is going to wind their way through a leak this massive without the guidance of these power structures? Bits and pieces maybe, but the scope ensures that it be a gamble on which bits and pieces. I'm not sure here. I'm ending my sentences with question marks for a reason. But those are my doubts here.


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It's Going To Be The Sorts Of Folks I Cite (4.00 / 2)
Critical observes, activists and journalists who lead the way in finding the stories to mine.  ABC News is not going to lead the way and no one sensible expects them to, anymore.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Alternet.org online news source (4.00 / 1)
ran the Amy Goodman interview of Chomsky.
http://www.alternet.org/story/...

Maybe other media will at least circulate Chomsky's insights, as well as the facts he provides.

We can watch if other investigative enterprise media go after any of the leads--- Huffington Post and the Washington Post have investigative teams. There's also ProPublica, a non-profit organization dedicated to investigative journalism
http://www.propublica.org/about/

I know we can't really count on the Wash Post for much, but they do have a team and I've seen ProPublica pieces published in the print edition.

Update:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
Amazon.com kicked WikiLeaks off its server. Not to worry. Here's what WikiLeaks did and said in response:

Meanwhile, WikiLeaks merely moved its WikiLeaks.org and its Cablegate.wikileaks.org sites back to its previous Web host, a company in Sweden called Bahnhof, underlining how difficult it is to target Web sites in a virtual universe in which data move between servers and across national borders with a few keystrokes.

After being dumped by Amazon, WikiLeaks quickly sent out a response via its Twitter site: "If Amazon are so uncomfortable with the first amendment, they should get out of the business of selling books."



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Reeeally? (0.00 / 0)
You mean from now on ALL of this information will be known?
Oh - that would be cool - And I know from now on everybody will tell these nice American Diplomats EVERYTHING - Because who doesn't want to be on American TV? -
(and it helps with Geography - because you get to know all these other countries and peoples) - and I never knew that Iranians are really Arabs?
(learned that one!)  

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and my number one "story to mine" - (0.00 / 0)
would be the facelift story: Now how can a mom be mistaken for her daughter?
(Do you think this is a relevation for or against Shoenheitschirurgen?)  

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and I actually like Chomsky - (0.00 / 0)
but if you read this 'dump' like a Schoenheitschirurg -(or like Chomsky) you come up with completely different result - See - that's why the German Spiegel first put all thes faces of these World leaders -(and the 'fitting' quotes) - on the cover -  At least they knew that's the best they had!

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and probably it is this: We knew ALL of it and SO MUCH MORE - (0.00 / 0)
and now it looks like there isn't 'so much more' -
and what did Jon say: "Never underestimate the cynicism of the American people"...
(- of the Europeans either:"What happened to the US of A"?)


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