Let's Talk About Tomorrow: Moving Democrats Forward

by: glendenb

Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 04:30


(This is definitely the sort of conversation we need to be having now.

And p.s.--don't forget to add your Idiot Wind nominations below - promoted by Paul Rosenberg)

Margaret Wheatley recommends a period of "cooling" as an integral part of solving any problem.  Since the election, I've been allowing myself to take that period before thinking too deeply about what needs to happen next.  I've used the time to read as much as possible about the polling and various articles and opinion pieces about "what happened" and allow what I've read to process in my brain.  I'm ready to move to the next step.

First and foremost, we need to own that Democratic leaders have failed spectacularly at leadership.  Time and again they demonstrated an extraordinary level of incompetence at both policy and politics, a tone-deafness to message that has been incredibly damaging and have spent huge amounts of energy in pointless attempts to win Republican votes.  That's not to say they weren't facing a difficult environment and working with fractious caucuses in both house, but it is to acknowledge they badly mismanaged the things they should have managed well.

Second, but no less important: the 2010 election was not an embrace of the Republican party or its ideas.  It was a barbaric yawp from an electorate that has been pushed to wall by a bad economy and a political system seemingly incapable of solving the right problems.

Third, loathe though I am to say it, it's become obvious that the Obama team ran a brilliant campaign yet has turned out to be a complete dud in office - seriously they're like the Keystone Kops of politics - "Here, take our guns we won't need them in the shoot out, we'll be too busy falling on our asses in a pile of banana cream pies."  The result has been a badly mismanaged presidency incapable of facing facts on the ground and dealing with an opposition party that wants to kill them just to watch them die.

Fourth, as bad as things are, there is absolutely a fruitful path forward.

glendenb :: Let's Talk About Tomorrow: Moving Democrats Forward
I'm going to spend most of this post talking about the first and third problems.

What went wrong over the last two years has been richly documented.  The best explanation I have read lays it out in simple comes from FDL (empahsis added):

It's important to remember health care reform hurts Democrats not only because it was health care reform, or that they've faced lock-step Republican opposition, or because the economy is really bad. Health care reform hurts them because it was executed in a painfully slow, corrupt and incompetent manner. At almost every turn, they made horrible choices. Deciding to focus on the long-term cost curve and Congressional Budget Office score instead delivering immediate benefits was an unforgivable error in this economic climate. Wasting months trying to get ultra-conservative Mike Enzi (R-WY) on board was an act of nearly unparalleled collective stupidity. Allowing the fight to drag on as the bill became progressively less popular instead of quickly passing it with reconciliation was a very bad idea. Empowering Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman by taking reconciliation "off the table" made jackasses of the whole party as the two Senators' ridiculous demands clearly undercut popular support. The backroom corporate deals which netted no GOP votes were devastating. Lying to the base for months about the public option after having promised insurance companies it would be killed ensured the health care fight would end with incredibly bad blood between Congressional Democrats and their base. A mandate forcing people to buy a product from the highly unpopular insurance companies was an awful idea that Democrats foolishly refused to drop or modify. The mistakes are almost too many to list.

Repeat that on almost every issue.  Somehow at every turn, Dems in DC demonstrated a breathtaking incompetence, collective stupidity and tactical cluelessness that doomed them.  The White House flailed badly the last two years  - when they should have been leading they listened, when they should have been listening, they nagged and cajoled, when they should have been cajoling they sat on their hands, when they should have been rallying the public, they were begging Republicans to play nice, when they should have been attacking Republicans, they turned on their base.  It's been a clusterfuck of historic proportions.  Worst of all, they failed to make meaningful reforms in the way Washington DC works; health care reform, one of the most important and pressing issues facing the country that required innovation and flexibility, became the living breathing symbol of everything that is wrong with DC.

As a loyal Democrat, watching the performance has been painful.  At every turn, party leadership demonstrated astonishing, mind-boggling bad judgment - to the extent that it's been almost physically painful to watch.  Faced with an opposition that was publicly telling anyone and everyone they weren't going to support any measure, Congressional leaders pissed away months and political capital pointlessly pursuing Republican votes.  And when those votes didn't materialize, rather than dump the compromise measure, they kept watering it down, begging for Republican votes that were never going to materialize.  As if that weren't bad enough, leadership allowed the most recalcitrant members of the caucus to hold the process hostage - forcing themselves again and again to abandon popular proposals in favor of unpopular ones.  For two years, we've seen DC at its most nonsensical.

The LA Time echoed that critique:

Abandoning the "transformational" model of his presidential campaign, Obama has tried to govern as a "transactional" leader. These terms were coined by political scientist James MacGregor Burns 30 years ago. "Transformational" leadership engages followers in the risky and often exhilarating work of changing the world, work that often changes the activists themselves. Its sources are shared values that become wellsprings of the courage, creativity and hope needed to open new pathways to success. "Transactional" leadership, on the other hand, is about horse-trading, operating within the routine, and it is practiced to maintain, rather than change, the status quo.

The nation was ready for transformation, but the president gave us transaction. And, as is the case with leadership failures, much of the public's anger, disappointment and frustration has been turned on a leader who failed to lead.

That article points to three crucial mistakes:

First, he abandoned the bully pulpit of moral argument and public education. Next, he chose to lead with a politics of compromise rather than advocacy. And finally, he chose to demobilize the movement that elected him president.[snip]

Those three errors determined the course he took:

In his transactional leadership mode, the president chose compromise rather than advocacy. Instead of speaking on behalf of a deeply distressed public, articulating clear positions to lead opinion and inspire public support, Obama seemed to think that by acting as a mediator, he could translate Washington dysfunction into legislative accomplishment. Confusing bipartisanship in the electorate with bipartisanship in Congress, he lost the former by his feckless pursuit of the latter, empowering the very people most committed to bringing down his presidency.

That editorial should be taped to the desk of every person working in the White House and Congress.  People want transformation - you gave them transaction.

Americans want transformation not transaction; you have to lead the way.  I'd guess the administration figured that people were on board with change so they did not need to spend time articulating what that change and would be.  They blew it.  And November 2, lots of folks were voted out office because of it.

Another point: the Obama administration seems determined to avoid making the mistakes of the Clinton administration - almost every move has been the polar opposite of a Clinton move.  The payback has been the same because at a basic level they've spent two years asking the wrong questions and solving the wrong problems.  Glenn Hurowitz (in Fear and Courate in the Democratic Party), argued that Bill Clinton, one of the wiliest politicians in a generation, never managed to translate his personal popularity into a stronger Democratic party.  The Obama administration has actually managed to replicate that mistake - they've followed a strategy that has resulted in a weaker party and progressive movement - the Democratic base is angry at the White House and lots of them sat out the 2010 election.

Let me blunt: we have a President who cannot lead.  It's bizarre - how could a man who so inspired us in 2008 have turned out to be so ineffective as President?

As Robert Kuttner put it:

. . . I don't have high expectations for Obama. I cannot recall a president who generated so much excitement as a candidate but who turned out to be such a political dud as chief executive. Nor do his actions since the election inspire confidence that he will be reborn as a fighter.

Kuttner goes on to say:

[Danny] Goldberg calls for less reliance on polling and focus groups and more reliance on "inspired intuition" to restore progressivism.

The real question is how we do this without the active collaboration of a Democratic president who is fast becoming more albatross than ally.[snip]

So our task is to step into the leadership vacuum that Obama has left, and fashion a compelling narrative about who and what are destroying America. Our movement needs the passion and single mindedness of the Tea Party movement, and it helps that we have reality on our side. If we do our jobs, we can move public opinion, discredit the right, and elect progressives to office. Even Barack Obama might embrace us, if only as a last resort.

I think, for a lot us, the turning point was the thoughtless, knee-jerk way the White House tossed Shirley Sherrod under the bus.  We all knew - we've all known for ages - that Breitbart is a provocateur who will twist the truth to get what he wants.  We all knew he edited his videos in dishonest ways.  Yet, the White House abandoned Shirley Sherrod who, thank God, is one tough cookie.  She fought back and she vindicated herself.  Hell, she never did anything wrong.  Watching the Keystone Kops in the White House bumble what should have been a gimme was beyond painful.  It was a truly shameful moment for the administration, which may have permanently damaged their credibility with the Democratic base.  To put it bluntly - they got gamed on ACORN and should have known better then fell for the same thing again.  Fighting and losing we can forgive, but showing up with spork to a gun fight - especially when they other guys are being incredibly up front about bringing Abrams tanks - we can't forgive.

Okay so we have a leadership deficit, how do you fix it?  Obviously that's not easily answered - until we know what we expect of our leaders.

Let's be honest here, leadership, especially in a democracy, is paradoxical.  We want our leaders to inspire us, but not tell us what to do.  We want our leaders to stand by their principles - and want them to compromise.  We want them to have good ideas but do what we tell them, we expect them to listen to the "voice of the people" when we the people speak in confusing, contradictory ways.

At its core, though, leadership in a democracy must include the ability to inspire and rally people.  As we saw in 2008, Barack Obama and Democrats in general have that ability.  But it seems as if once they are in office, they stop doing it - it's as if they decide okay we've done the obligatory electioneering now we can focus on governing and we can stop all that glad-handing.  But, successful governing requires ongoing efforts to inspire and rally people, as well as ongoing efforts to educate the public about policy and to explain why choices are made.  There's a story that after some difficult and unpopular vote, Paul Wellstone told the Senate leadership the most important thing was to now take the time to explain not only why he voted as he voted but why it was the moral choice.  Wellstone's lesson is a simple one, and it's one the Obama campaign mastered - place your policies and politics in the moral context and you can work effectively.  Another prime example - of transgressing this insight - comes from the health care reform.  Save the mandate, the actual parts of health care reform are popular, yet the overall bill is unpopular.  Had Dems made the effort, the could have communicated "Here's the actual popular parts of the bill, here's why we did what we did and here's why the mandate is necessary."  People may not like it but if they understand it, they can accept it (simply "You can't tell insurance companies they have to cover everyone who applies for insurance and they can't drop people who get sick if everyone isn't in the system; it's not about making you buy something, it's about getting as many people covered as possible so we can make the other parts of the reform work").

Another part of leadership - against demonstrated in its trangression - is the ability to plan ahead.  The Bush tax cuts by statute expire at the end of this year.  That's how they written when they were first passed.  Congressional Dems have flailed around with regard to these unaffordable, economically ineffective tax cuts.  Why wasn't there a plan in place?  Why didn't they pass something a year ago?  Why not have a replacement plan ready to go?  Instead, Democratic leadership has put off dealing with this giant clusterfuck until it was literally the last minute.  Rather than planning ahead, rather than even looking ahead, they've let themselves get caught like deer in the headlights.  It's a fiasco.

Finally (at least for today) I want to mention boldness.  The story goes that even great leaders like Alexander III of Macedon and Napoleon Bonaparte had to learn boldness.  Great leaders even in our time require boldness - though perhaps of a different sort.  Democracy is messy - think of a vast ocean with waves lapping this way and that.  Democratic leaders need a different kind of boldness - an ability aptly demonstrated in 2008 to cast a compelling moral vision, to persuade, to invite people to participate more broadly and more fully than before.  Then to follow through.  Let's be honest - the liberal policy positions will work and will make America stronger, more prosperous, and more secure.  Boldness in pursuing the right policies is a good thing.  Republicans don't lack for boldness in defense of bad policies.  What would happen if Dems were to be bold in favor of good policies?


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So, where do we go from here? (4.00 / 5)
We have yet another post describing "how we got here", and I agree with most of the author's points, but where's the "moving forward" part? You know, it's listed in the title of the piece.

It's that fourth step, the one the author left out, that I look forward to reading, and discussing.


"moving forward" - a suggestion (0.00 / 0)
The root of our problems is not the flaws of one politician. The root problem is a corrupt system. Part of that problem is the corruptibility of human nature. Both parties are corrupt, but what would keep a third party from becoming corrupt as soon as they achieved enough power to make it worth anyone's effort to buy them off? Also, our current electoral laws are heavily stacked against third parties.

I am suggesting a third party that would address both of these issues. Let's just call it the Labor Party (or LP) for now. As for the anti-third party nature of our current system, I would suggest that the LP only run candidates in general elections in states that have runoff elections to avoid any spoiler effects. In other states the party should limit it's electoral activities to fielding and supporting candidates to run in Dem primaries. Once an LP candidate gets on the Dem ticket in the general election, they should continue to identify with and promote the LP and caucus with any other LPs should they win.

The main purpose of such a party would be to give the public an option to support at least one party that is clearly on the side of the working class. Our current two party system has clearly failed in this regard. The public currently has only a choice between an extreme wing and a moderate wing of The Big Business Party. Dems are so corrupted and compromised that they have destroyed any branding they once had as a workers' party.

This takes us back to the other problem - the potential (and likely) corruptibility of any new party by the same wealthy powerful forces that corrupt the Dems. I suggest that a group of really smart people get together and design a party structure and bylaws that make the party as corruption proof as possible from the beginning. In fact this should be the first step. Create a good system - a democracy within a democracy - that can survive its own success. Think outside the box. Use technology. Borrow principles from the open source software movement. I know there are smart people in the progressive blogosphere who can make this happen. If you build it, they will come.

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I'm having a hard time getting past..... (0.00 / 0)
"It was a barbaric yawp from an electorate..."

That's not a good way to approach all of us who have long realized how worthless "Democratic Leadership" is/was and decided to send a message.

I'm not barbaric.  And I don't "yawp" (whatever that is).

I'm now going to go back and try and finish this post - which, I believe contains some worthwhile points.  


It's literature (4.00 / 2)
http://www.gate.net/~mcorriss/...

The line was also used as a call to non-conformism in the Robin Williams movie "Dead Poet's Society"


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It's Walt Whitman. (4.00 / 1)
Democracy was a passion for him.

Montani semper liberi

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I am sooo not there.... (0.00 / 0)
Not even the Super Komatsu, the world's biggest bulldozer, can get this crop of Democrats to move forward.

Pelosi is the sole guts of the party leadership at this time.  And unfortunately, by the time we get enough new blood infused back in she'll likely be gone, leaving all Dems sitting on their duffs waiting for the next Howard Dean to show them the light.

I'll reawaken only when that happens.

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


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So how does one move a dupolistic super party forward? (4.00 / 1)


"One" does not move the super party (4.00 / 1)
forward or any direction.

Many move it. Organized or otherwise. Co-opted or not.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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and when the entrenched leadership is squarely opposed to the "many" to whom you refer? (4.00 / 1)
these are the people who take lunches with Pete Peterson and Warren Buffet, they don't give a fuck

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Warren Buffet Ain't Pete Peterson (4.00 / 1)
Buffet's actually a progressive more often than Obama is.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I like Buffet (4.00 / 1)
but he presents two problems

(a) his existence in politics reinforces the plutocratic impulse although his well meaning acts tends to mitigate that a lot

(b) he should focus his resources on primaries in districts to win those primaries AND the building of a left to counter the right, and by left I mean hard core real leftists.

One of the lessons I am gathering from history is that the right accommodated the left when it was fearful of communism. Thats part of the dynamic that no longer exists.  I am not arguing there needs to a communism movement, but there needs to be a resurgent radical left of some kind to act as a force that pushes the center to the left.


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Sure (4.00 / 1)
A GREAT deal of the humanitarian gains of the past 150 years only came about because of the threat of Communism, no question about it.  And it's much more difficult for us now, precisely because that threat no longer exists.

But, OTOH, what this has to do with Warren Buffet is a complete mystery to me.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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create a strong enough opposition on the left not dependent on the (4.00 / 4)
democratic party. make it a purely leftist movement without compromise, and you will see a shift in the triangulation to the right that has dominated democratic politics.

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You don't see a relationship between the pile of capital (4.00 / 1)
that Buffet controls and the need to reapportion wealth and create a more just society?

Pull the other one.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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communism / populism? (4.00 / 1)
My history is fuzzy, but did populist like Huey Long also play a role in forcing progressive action in the past?

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Yes. (4.00 / 2)
So did socialists and anarchists. But the threat of Communist revolution was an order of magnitude beyond all that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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That can't be replicated, but the lesson is that some part of those (0.00 / 0)
sort of real far left organizations certainly created the pressure that trying to push a right of center party alone can not do. The fact is that if Soros wanted to truly change the Democratic Party he needs to be sticking money in the further and true far left to build them up and push them into positions of strength. Pick 10 districts, and primary who is running with a candidate as far left as you can find in those  already liberal distrists. Pick 10 more moderate districts and push for a leftist. if one wins even in a couple of the districts, push for that narrative to build that america is shifting. Someone with his money can buy a lot of conservative town newspaper and press if he wanted to have direct access to those communities to push leftist economic arguments from now until 2012.    

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You can't get hung up on such details (4.00 / 2)
The Left in the period of the 1930s was more than the Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA) and as far as the relation of the Left to the larger political scene, it doesn't matter at all.  

There was the CPUSA which was perceived in the early 30's as a potent force, the "wave of the future" by many, and its flaws and those of its Russian exemplar were not as widely known as they would soon become.  There were Socialists, populists, Huey Long, Trotskyists, unaffiliated mass actions by workers in distress, "bonus marching" veterans, etc.  

All of it scared the crap out of the ruling elites.  Roosevelt could only go as far as he did because of this.  It took the ruling elites decades to figure out how to counter this effectively.

And nothing like that exists now.


sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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that paragon of kindness and populist power Warren Buffet (4.00 / 1)
http://wallstfolly.typepad.com...

AN infuriated Warren Buffett has renounced one of his granddaughters - telling her she is no longer his relative "legally or emotionally" because she took part in a documentary about the lives of the very rich.

Nicole Buffett, the adopted daughter of Buffett's son Peter and biological daughter of Peter's ex-wife Mary, was featured in Jamie Johnson and Nick Kurzon's documentary, "The One Percent," which debuted at the Tribeca Film Festival this year and is a follow-up to Johnson's "Born Rich."

Enraged that Nicole not only participated in the documentary, but also plugged it on National Public Radio and "Oprah," Buffett wrote Nicole an "angry letter" two weeks ago telling her she was no longer part of his life, a source tells Page Six.

Buffett wrote, "I have not emotionally or legally adopted you as a grandchild, nor have the rest of my family adopted you as a niece or a cousin."

"He was angry Nicole was using the Buffett name to promote herself and said he no longer considered her his granddaughter," our source added.

Indeed, asked for comment, a rep for the mega-billionaire said, "Nicole is not Mr. Buffett's granddaughter. She is the daughter of a former daughter-in-law of his who was married to his son for only about 10 years."

The film in question was a documentary about the wealthy and the growing gap between rich and poor.

and then there's this:

http://www.businesspundit.com/...

Only two Pete Peterson anti-New Deal books and a bonus Bob Rubin masterpiece.

Yeah, that's who I want pulling the strings of the "left" party.


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Jerk (0.00 / 0)
Never trust a billionaire.

Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? And cold comfort for change?

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Can't argue with that (4.00 / 1)
corporations and the wealthy have more leverage than you or I.

Thus the need to organize - not necessarily along the two party lines offered.

How does "dumping Obama" hobble Peterson or any other oligarch?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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it's a victory against his most visible footsoldier in the DNC set (0.00 / 0)
these fuckers need to be exposed and made an example of, one by one

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Where do we go from here (0.00 / 0)
this is an excellent post but how do we get these DLC moderate New Democrat (aka Moderate Republicans) to change ?

We move left. (4.00 / 2)
We stop moving right (along with the Democratic leadership - especially Obama).

I suggest we start the Progressive Democratic party.  On issues, we win 68% of the public.  We abandon "Liberal" Obama.  He is poison.  Obama is poisen.  Let's say it with all honesty...Obama is poisoned.  Progressive Democrats have turned their backs on him, FOXified nitwits think he is a terrorist, swing voters abandoned him when they found his spine in the ditch.  He COULD win; but, wouldn't you love (just LOVE) to run against him?  "Now my Opponent is saying my policies have led to unemploymnent and huge deficits and I have not reached across the aisle ... and they are right on every point.  But, I'm sweeping as fast as I can; you know, it's harder than it looks.  Just ask my good friends the Bush family and Mr. Reagan, whom I love, love, love!  Too bad my supporters are such losers and whiners.".  Palin is moving up and we are wondering why?!?

Dump Obama; he has dumped on us!


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There are two themes becoming frequent ... (0.00 / 0)
Obama is stupid, stated in a way that says he's gone too far.  And Obama should resign.

These are transitional.  And Obama should be primaried, is becoming frequent on the blogosphere, even noticeable in the last 3 days.  Whether it's the government's thuggish response to Wikileaks or the 9.8% unemployment, something is breaking.

For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin'. -- Dylan


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Let's face it (4.00 / 3)
We have to dump Obama if we can find anyone even a little better to run in 2012.  I've heard Russ Feingold mentioned; he would be much better

Indeed (0.00 / 0)
It's starting to heat up.  Challenge Obama from the Left ...

For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin'. -- Dylan

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I Disagree (4.00 / 10)
Truly I don't believe it was incompetence that has put us in this position. Obama clearly has the rhetorical skills and his political team has the skill sufficient to get elected President, no small achievement. The fact Obama has not only refused to use his rhetorical skills to achieve progressive goals but also has actively sold out progressive goals (e.g. spiking the public option) strongly suggests the problem is NOT incompetence.

The problem is that Obama is most comfortable with Republican solutions to policy problems. He sees the government as having an extremely limited, only in emergencies, role in the free market. That's not progressive. Indeed, even looking back at Democratic party history, that's not even in the mainstream of Democratic policy since the Depression. The problem is that Obama is comfortable with the status quo of too big to fail banks, endless mergers, a police state (e.g. wiretapping without warrants), and state sponsored murder, as well as using state power to cover up illegal actions by the state.

Obama truly believes it is okay for the government to allow high unemployment indefinitely, for at least a decade, so that the free market will let banks heal themselves by fake outsized profits gained by borrowing from the Fed at a low rate (say 1%) and buying Treasury bonds at a higher rate (say 3%), among other tactics.

This is very different from the picture you paint of a hapless Obama and a hapless Democratic leadership. This is simply "Bush Done Right" by a politician who calls himself a Democrat. Based on his policies to date, Obama cares little or nothing for working people and the need for government to always balance the different (and often contradictory) interests in our society. Instead, Obama is quite happy for the government to be on the side of plutocracy at the expense of working people. If Obama cares at all for the middle class, he believes the free market eventually will help the little people by helping first the most advantaged.

If I'm right (and I may not be), the problem is how do Democrats in general and progressives in particular take their party back from the Democratic leadership that uses the Democratic party name to cover their Republican policies? It's a neat trick and one Republicans are eager to let Obama get away with because it helps meet their goals while they bash Obama as a Socialist. The problem is how we shift government policy back to benefit the working middle class, the 98% who are not wealthy and should not have to be wealthy to get medical care, a job, save for retirement, a living wage, and all the rest.

Saying Obama is incompetent lets him off the hook, in my view. We should hold his Administration to account, early and often, and do what we can to educate the media and the public as we fight back as best we can.


You are right (4.00 / 5)
Painfully right.  So while the wordmen are building a movement, those of us who are voters must make sure we make 2012 a teachable moment.  If the downside is a GOP president, at least history won't record that a Democratic President destroyed the New Deal safety net.  If we allow Obama to do it for them, it would be pretty hard to convince that people that they should go back to progressivism.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Parallel worlds (0.00 / 0)
Outgoing Rep. Brian Baird said in an interview today that 'if Dems had let the economy crash, we'd be in power for 40 years.'

Instead, in the wake of the administration's anemic stimulus in '08 the Republicans are now trying to prevent any further economic remedies, risking that depression we barely avoided. If it (a depression) comes about, then the Republicans get to blame it on Obama and thereby obtain their moment of 'crisis capitalism' with which to reorder everything after 2012.

Either the social safety net gets subverted now by Obama, or later by Republicans who were enabled by Obama's lack of will and leadership - and our inability to fill the breach with other leaders and movement efforts.

The MSM has tagged Independents the party of swing-voting 'centrism.' If Democrats no longer represent your liberal values, show America there is still a Left by registering for another left-aligned party.


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Not If We Organize! (4.00 / 4)
Cutting Social Security and other attacks on the welfare state are deeply unpopular.  We really can do bottom-up organizing against this.  But it will take everything we can muster to pull it off if things get as bad as I suspect.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Make this point relevant in the pop culture (4.00 / 2)
Cutting Social Security and other attacks on the welfare state are deeply unpopular.

and it will nucleate organization like seed crystals precipitate salts.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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My Hunch (4.00 / 1)
A significant number of voters, possibly a bare majority, see some maybe all I outline. That's one reason why many who voted in 2008 did not in 2010. In my view that is a chance for progressives in 2012, if they speak up well and loudly in opposition in 2011 and 2012 as Republicans run riot aided by Democrats like Obama.

Will politicians who support policies that help working people seize this opportunity? I'm not confident. But Sanders is suddenly on a roll, to take one example. So others might find their voices. At the least, progressives and good Democrats will continue to win at the federal and state levels. The issue is whether or not we can break out beyond individual wins and drive policy in 2012.

I also wonder how many people think Obama is progressive or for working people. People are not stupid. And the Internet makes it easier to find facts and read honest debate. I'd guess quite a lot of Obama voters would say Obama is for Wall Street, not Main Street.


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Yes, but (0.00 / 0)
I'd guess quite a lot of Obama voters would say Obama is for Wall Street, not Main Street.

then they hit the info button on the remote to see if Dancing With the Stars is on tonight.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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No buts about it (4.00 / 2)
Hit them in the pocketbook and the wallet. Every voter has one and a lot of voters, except the wealthy high income earners, are hurting.

I'd guess quite a lot of Obama voters would say Obama is for Wall Street, not Main Street.

We could mass a lot of evidence on just this pithy point, and package it for mass consumption.


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Perhaps People Who Have a Job (0.00 / 0)
But lots of people who have jobs know family and friends who are unemployed. And many people have an elderly parent or relative and hear first hand how hard it can be to get along.

This is the difference between the rhetoric you hear from politicians (who say deficit reduction) and the reality of people as they live their lives (who say create jobs, strengthen the social net). The disparity has grown in the last few years, to a point where many people realize the politicians are full of it.

So, yes, they hit the info button on their remotes but the tactile problem and its impact on their lives doesn't go away.


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Say it again - (0.00 / 0)
Saying Obama is incompetent lets him off the hook, in my view.

That said, I agree that the Dems are seemingly incompetent at messaging and tactical errors were made.

-- The health care debate, imo, was poisoned from the beginning with Obama's back room Big Pharma deal and then allowing the insurance industry a too big place at the table, plus not heading off somehow the summer of nightmare town hall meetings.  

-- The L.A. Times makes excellent points:
   Obama, and his advisors, threw away the transformational energy generated during the 2008 campaign.
   Obama, and his advisors, confused bipartisanship in the electorate with bipartisanship in Congress. Courting Republicans in Congress, Obama provided fuel for their efforts to destroy him and lost the electorate by not embracing Democratic Party principles at a time when the country most needed them.

Bottom line, though, Obama the President is not who we elected.

He chose economic advisors who virtually guaranteed a continuation of Bush/GOP policies. He chose not to prosecute Bush/Cheney for war and other crimes. Obama made the choice to escalate the war in Afghanistan. etc., etc.

So, as you say, we move forward by starting from where we are:

We should hold his Administration to account, early and often, and do what we can to educate the media and the public as we fight back as best we can.


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I agree as to Obama's competence, (4.00 / 2)
and his favoring the Republican way of "solving" economic problems.  That fits with his University of Chicago-molded mindset; but, we will never change him.  And, Rosenberg has convinced me that focusing on Obama and hoping to get somebody else in his place, ends up not solving the fundamental problem--which is how to rebuild a genuine, deep, and strong Progressive movement.

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in current culture movements are personality-driven (0.00 / 0)
look at the OFA operation in 2008, which put a shiny candy-like shell over the DNC and suckered many progressives (admittedly myself included)

if there's no known quantity at the head of the movement from the get-go, there won't be popular support


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I don't know about that (4.00 / 2)
A personality would help, but the plutocracy might have just taken too much. People might listen if we show relentlessly how 'they' are fleecing the rest of us.

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You need to remember (0.00 / 0)
that a large number of people hate the government more than the plutocracy.  Of course that will change over the next few years.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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I think I agree with you (4.00 / 1)
We need someone to galvanize the movement around, but maybe less flash and more foundation this time.   A Eugene McCarthy type.  Trustable.  While it could end up being a 4-way food fight by fall, we should prepare to lose 2012 on our way to a stronger movement in 2016 and 2020.  We need somebody we can trust who will fight the good fight in 2012 and not sell out to the money men.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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If we're going to lose 2012--and that sure looks likely now-- (0.00 / 0)
then maybe part of our efforts should be focused on holding enough of the Senate to prevent the 'Thugs from getting to 60 votes.  I'd much rather see a Kagan clone as the next SC Justice, rather than a Jeff Sessions clone.

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This post reminds me of how we used to talk about George Bush. (4.00 / 10)
He was an incompetent, bumbling, mean-spirited frat boy.  But in reality, the Bush Administration got exactly what they wanted, their wars, an upward transfer of wealth, Homeland Security--everything.  The bozo frat boy was quite an effective ruse. Now we are talking about the incompetence of the Obama Administration.  

Sorry, but I don't think they are incompetent, stupid, fearful or naive (like many Democrats).  What we are seeing is actually a kind of technique, a massage.  It enables Obama to feign commitment to a progressive agenda while giving in to the demands of the GOP and the Dogs, and thereby burnishing his bipartisan credentials.  But don't worry about Wall Street or the insurance companies, or the military industrial complex.  They'll do just fine.  

Why does the Obama Administration play this game?  Despite the thin veil of progressivism, they have more faith in the power and money game played by the GOP than grass roots politics.  They think we're stupid, and maybe we are.  (Rahm, do you think we're stupid?)

We will not find a way out of this situation without facing up to what Obama is doing--intentionally.



It is rewarding to see more and more of you realizing (4.00 / 3)
That we have been had by a Manchurian candidate.  Absolutely we cannot let this man off as incompetent.  As Frank Rich, columnist for the New York Times asked, more than a year ago, "Is Obama Punking US?"  

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08...

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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They're being held back (0.00 / 0)
by the submission reflex.

Courage, folks.


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I Want to hear from Nancy Pelosi on this!! (0.00 / 0)
Obama is the President and with him in the WH, there has been improvement throughout the nation. HCR was necessary to help with job growth. It was not handled well, but that could be inexperience in the DC area. There are changes being made in Homeland Security, the Dept of the Interior, the EPA, FDA and other fed agencies. His leadership has made a difference. I believe, he is focused on getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and yet, we have Iran on the brink of nuclear armament and middle east allies nervous. I just believe that Pelosi has done her job as speaker of the House and she knows what is happening in the WH and on the Hill. Chuck Schumer is sounding good, I just hope the dems are willing to stand by him.  

You're very optimistic (0.00 / 0)
You are right though.  He is better than George W Bush.  Unfortunately, so is Mitt Romney, so is John McCain, hell, my guess is that Mike Huckabee would be better than George W. Bush.  It's just that I don't think that should be a reason to vote for someone.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Except (4.00 / 1)
The Wikileaks news the Obama Administration early in 2009, when he was supposed to be all progressive-y, actually worked with two Republican Senators to interfere in the justice system of a sovereign country (Spain) to spike a court case that would've held the Bush Administration accountable for state sponsored torture and murder, that spooks me. It suggests the President is not only a conservative Republican but he also has the national security instincts of the worst sort of Republican.

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y'all still obsessed with this Obama dude? - (0.00 / 0)
and I don't know if this is the right way to 'talk about tomorrow' ?-
Or perhaps it is... When will y'all finally realize that even the American President
have become some type of figurehead - a Queen Elisabeth thing - Great in representing -(he does that pretty good) - and please 'gentlemen'? of the Congress you are elected by the people- so YOU decide - And if NOT - whose problem is that?
Perhaps that will force the Idiots to elect a better Congress?

and actually - (0.00 / 0)
thinking about it - Thus - he might be 'the'new role model for ALL the American Presidents of tomorrow -(how else can you deal with such a moody populace?)  So - we will have a whole new breed of Presidents with the motto:
YOU kill it -
WE grill it!!
(and that's really not THAT bad if you got a REAL idiot as President again!)  

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and what better way - (0.00 / 0)
to teach 'the people' how this 'democracy thingy' works -
The President - from now on - just will sit down with his Congress-dudes -(and the few dudetts) - and count the votes - and who has more - wins!
And thus - one day - 'the people' will be very careful who they elect as Congress dudes -(or dudetts!)  

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are you done now? (4.00 / 2)
please?

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My god! She talks to herself on Open Left! (4.00 / 1)
I mean, you know.  Can you Recommend yourself?

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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you kill it - (0.00 / 0)
I grill it!

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and for thee 'recommender' - (0.00 / 0)
jeffroby - darling:
You dump it!
I dump it!

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