The moral battle of our age

by: Paul Rosenberg

Fri Jan 14, 2011 at 15:00


Paul Krugman's column yesterday was, predictably, a significant cut above the common response to Obama's speech:

A Tale of Two Moralities
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: January 13, 2011

On Wednesday, President Obama called on Americans to "expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together." Those were beautiful words; they spoke to our desire for reconciliation.

But the truth is that we are a deeply divided nation and are likely to remain one for a long time. By all means, let's listen to each other more carefully; but what we'll discover, I fear, is how far apart we are. For the great divide in our politics isn't really about pragmatic issues, about which policies work best; it's about differences in those very moral imaginations Mr. Obama urges us to expand, about divergent beliefs over what constitutes justice.

So far, so good--and so far above the level of the rest of the commentariat.  Unfortunately, though, Krugman still doesn't grasp the essence of the difference between the two moralities-the difference that George Lakoff so cogently comprehended in Moral Politics all the way back in 1996--the authoritarian "strict father" morality of conservatives vs. the humanitarian "nurturant parent" morality of liberals/progressives.  More on that in a bit, but first let's note how Krugman's more limited sense of the difference-rooted in economics-plays out:

And the real challenge we face is not how to resolve our differences - something that won't happen any time soon - but how to keep the expression of those differences within bounds.

What are the differences I'm talking about?

One side of American politics considers the modern welfare state - a private-enterprise economy, but one in which society's winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net - morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. It's only right, this side believes, for the affluent to help the less fortunate.

The other side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how needy, amounts to theft. That's what lies behind the modern right's fondness for violent rhetoric: many activists on the right really do see taxes and regulation as tyrannical impositions on their liberty.

There's no middle ground between these views. One side saw health reform, with its subsidized extension of coverage to the uninsured, as fulfilling a moral imperative: wealthy nations, it believed, have an obligation to provide all their citizens with essential care. The other side saw the same reform as a moral outrage, an assault on the right of Americans to spend their money as they choose.

There are several things to note about Krugman's formulation, not the least of which is that his framing is far more favorable to the other side than it should be, as it needlessly grants the false premise that what people "earn" in a deeply politicized, far-from free-market economy is unproblematically "theirs", while those who earn far less, due to various power inequities, are unproblematically "less fortunate".  This is, of course, quite typical of liberal vs. radical political views, but we're certainly justified in hoping for something more nuanced from a sophisticated economist like Krugman--who has become increasingly conscious of neo-liberalism's shortcomings and importance of getting basic moral perspectives right.

For example...  

Paul Rosenberg :: The moral battle of our age

Krugman surely does not think that CEOs generally, or top Wall Street trader and executives have unproblematically "earned" their exorbitant compensation packages.  Indeed he is critical of them partly because of their self-satisfied belief that they have, when it would be far more accurate to say they have captured said packages.  Yet, his on-the-fly critical perspective has not yet filtered down into his bones.

A second problem is that this difference actually cuts much deeper--and leaves the conservative side without a real leg to stand on.  The conservative side is frequently articulated in terms of a "libertarian tradition" descending from John Locke.  But Locke's "social contract", and the argument it derives from, are directly antithetical to the libertarian view, which is actually more accurately represented by Ayn Rand's extremely anti-social ideology.  Locke's argument was that (Randian) individual liberty in a "state of nature" is extremely insecure, and hence not a plausible basis for a way of life. The "social contract" comes into being as a way of securing basic liberties by subjecting less basic ones to the contractual process. This argument was primarily intended to shift the basis for legitimating state authority away from a top-down religious authority to a bottom-up secular authority.   It was not intended to radically repudiate traditional notions of shared social responsibilities, as in fact it explicitly provides a justification for why they should be respected.

A third problem is that Krugman believes there is a seprable problem of "how to keep the expression of those differences within bounds." This leads back to Lakoff's more deeply systemic understanding of the moral differences involved.  More on this below.

To continue with Krugman's piece:

This deep divide in American political morality - for that's what it amounts to - is a relatively recent development. Commentators who pine for the days of civility and bipartisanship are, whether they realize it or not, pining for the days when the Republican Party accepted the legitimacy of the welfare state, and was even willing to contemplate expanding it. As many analysts have noted, the Obama health reform - whose passage was met with vandalism and death threats against members of Congress - was modeled on Republican plans from the 1990s.

But that was then. Today's G.O.P. sees much of what the modern federal government does as illegitimate; today's Democratic Party does not. When people talk about partisan differences, they often seem to be implying that these differences are petty, matters that could be resolved with a bit of good will. But what we're talking about here is a fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government.

If we set aside my objections to Krugman's formulation for the moment, then this exactly so.  Even as late as 1993, the congressional Republican majority accepted the basic logic of the welfare state.  It was only during the debate over healthcare reform that Senate Republicans were convinced to shift from a position of supporting a Republican alternative--the Heritage Foundation model that later became the basis for RomneyCare and then ObamaCare--to a position of total opposition.  And even today, the majority of conservatives in the population at large do not subscribe to this position when asked about support for Social Security, Medicare, etc.  It is not just a recent divide, but one that is precariously maintained as well.

Krugman goes on to say:

In a way, politics as a whole now resembles the longstanding politics of abortion - a subject that puts fundamental values at odds, in which each side believes that the other side is morally in the wrong. Almost 38 years have passed since Roe v. Wade, and this dispute is no closer to resolution.

Yet we have, for the most part, managed to agree on certain ground rules in the abortion controversy: it's acceptable to express your opinion and to criticize the other side, but it's not acceptable either to engage in violence or to encourage others to do so.

This, however, is factually false. The anti-abortion side has repeatedly engaged in violence as well as encouragement and support for it.  Bill O'Reilly's repeated demonization of Dr. George Tiller as "Tiller the baby-killer" is but the most prominent and outrageous example.

What's more, not only is factually false, but the politics of abortion and other "social issues" has been key to dividing America into two competing moral camps long before the GOP decided to come out frontally against the welfare state in the battle against healthcare reform during Clinton's first two years.  Krugman's mis-perception of the rules surrounding the abortion debate reflects his deeper mis-perception about the broader nature of the moral divide.  Hard-core anti-abortionists, on the premise that abortion is murder (a premise they don't logically follow up on in a consistent manner, but that does structure much of what they do and believe), do not believe that common ground is possible, or that there is a seprable problem of "how to keep the expression of those differences within bounds." If abortion is murder, then it's morally wrong to "to keep the expression of those differences within bounds."  It's morally right to kill those on the other side.  It's just as simple as that.

And this, of course, involves not just the rejection of the welfare state and the New Deal.  It involves the rejection of John Locke, and the social contract, and the embrace of pre-modern theological politics, the Divine Right of Kings, and, if necessary, the bloody wars of Reformation, the Spanish Inquisition and all the rest of the bloody authoritarian agenda.  That is the ultimate in "strict father" morality, and that is what we are up against today.


p.s. Teacherken also has an excellent diary on Krugman's diary at Dkos, here.

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Yes, Krugman got it right (4.00 / 1)
It is AMAZING to me that it takes a Nobel prize winner to state the obvious so lucidly. It is about morality, and the kind of morality that most of us subscribe to does not include being nasty, mean-spirited, selfish, and violent towards others, not because of religion, but because of our humanity.

The inculcation of these other things--nastiness, brutishness, and violence-- into our peoples' minds as perfectly 'moral' behavior shows how perverted we  have now become.

Blame Ayn Rand, or the natural bent of a bad child who hasn't been properly raised, or the perverse ethics of capitalism if you will. The selfish ethos never ends well, especially if it requires, as Hannah Arendt once noted of the Germans of a certain era, that their new 'moral order' required them to commit calumny against their neighbors and do violate the first commandment of any and all ethical orders until now, "Thou shalt not kill"--and that it must have required overcoming their human revulsion against doing so to fit in to the 'new order.'


Well, You Can Blame Hegemonic Warfare, Too (4.00 / 2)
Invisible Hands: The Making of the Conservative Movement from the New Deal to Reagan tells a lot of this story.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Radicals, liberals, and inequality (4.00 / 1)
While I agree both that there's no free market and that much of our inequality is "deeply politicized," Paul's discussion here raises a problem I have with the way many radicals (and I consider myself one) in their turn approach the morality of inequality.  Even if a true free market economy were possible, I don't believe the resulting distribution of income and wealth would be fair.  People with more talent, ability, luck, ruthlessness, etc. would get more, before we even consider the issue of inherited wealth and privilege.  Since I don't see how many of those things correspond with desert, what's fair about that?  I may be unreasonably reading minds, but I sometimes sense a near desperation among radicals to shift to "unequal power" explanations of inequality, as if they concede that if there were a free market, its outcomes would be just.  This seems an even deeper concession than the liberal one that we in fact have a (relatively) free market.

Clarification (4.00 / 1)
I don't think that the free market would be fair, either.

But it's extremely appealing to people.  So there's a great practical value in explaining to folks why it's a myth, and having that explanation as part of a separate discussion, apart from the issue of what's fair.

A lot of people also share the sorts of misgivingts/objections you have, but they aren't well-organized as a philosophy.  This is why it makes sense to me to separate the arguments in two.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I'm not sure it's appealing (4.00 / 1)
as much as it's taken for granted - in large part because all Republicans and the dominant faction of the Democrats treat it as self evident.  

It strikes me that when regular people hear about 'free markets', 'free enterprise', ''private property' and the rest, they envision small scale business people, individual or partnership start ups,  or individual home ownership.  That, I suspect, is what they find appealing, and what they think is threatened when people question those terms.

With that minor caveat, I agree with the rest of your comment.  We need to do both.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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'fair' is a complicated and loaded word (4.00 / 2)
You have to have a clear discussion about what 'fair' means before you can even say whether or not such a situation would be 'fair' or 'not fair.'  There are a good deal number of philosophical notions one could use here.  Same with 'just'.  

I think it actually would be worth having a discussion about 'what good are we seeking to maximize in society'.  Or at least, it would be if our public discourse weren't wholly disingenuous.  


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I'd take it one step further (4.00 / 3)
It's not clear that deserts alone (even if that were possible)  should determine who gets what.  That is, a certain minimum is necessary to ensure economic opportunity and security, and everyone is entitled to that as a human being.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

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Rand vs. Divine Right (0.00 / 0)
Without having read Lakoff, I see that Randian libertarians and religious rightists have many commonalities of thinking, an underlying authoritarianism perhaps first among them.  But they still aren't the same.  In practice, they seem to manage well enough together, but there is always at least some tension, which the left may be able to benefit from.  Not all strict fathers agree with each other.  Paul, doesn't your last paragraph follow a bit too parsimonious a theory of the right?  After all, Randians might welcome a new Spanish Inquisition, but only one they controlled, while some Dominionist types would stone atheist Randians.  (I know there are some fundamentalist Christian Randians, like Jim DeMint, but most conservatives aren't that pure!)

Of Course There Are Differences (0.00 / 0)
What's remarkable is how little difference the differences make.

Lakoff's theory is one of the best approaches toward understanding why this is so.  Just so you don't have to read all of Moral Politics to understand what I'm saying here, check out my diary, "Cato 'liberaltarian' crackup--sideshow to a coming Dark Age?", particularl Part 3, "Part 3: Deep Ideology", where I talk about Lakoff's analysis of libertarianism.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Deep divide (4.00 / 2)
I'm not sure it's about morality, or the authoritarian father vs. the nurturing parent.

I think it's about greed and power and deep psychic enjoyment of watching others in pain. I think it's about what Freud called "Thanatos". That is covered in a veneer of morality, but it is really about anger, revenge, and a drive to power.

I remembering living in the South and hearing preachers on the radio go on and on about hell and damnation. That's the stream I think the right wing has tapped into. Corporate powers and the propaganda wing of the right have tapped into this deep strain in the American psyche and using it to consolidate power over those striving for a fairer, more equal, more democratic society.

It's pretty blatant right now, partly because of the rise of Fox News and Limbaugh. But this goes deep into our history. I think it derives from being a "democracy" formed on the backs of a vicious system of slavery.


In my simplistic thinking . . . (0.00 / 0)
it's not as if the rich get nothing from the bargain to be willing to support the welfare state/social network.  Their payoff for supporting the social contract is to be able to live in a society relatively free of the insecurities that come from tension between class due to massive unfairness.  Such a society doesn't resemble in the least a leveling of everyone  --  of course -- but a semblance of access to those things commonly thought to represent quality of life.  That payoff seems pretty real and valuable to me. But to the mindset of lever pullers among the rich and powerful, if 'they' even think of it, such a payoff must be either taken for granted or seem unrealistically naive.  Indeed they may be convinced they can lock in such a disparate social equation for even generations to come without the serious threat of social upheaval.  And with the vast majority of the political spectrum being some variation of corporatism, back by an increasingly militant national security state posture, it's not a ludicrous thought.

And why not?  America does seem fairly immune, at least since the 60's, to the threat of social disruption based on inequality of a scale sufficient to produce, at least pro forma, change. It also seems to me that the well being of the very rich and powerful, and the mechanisms that produce and perpetuate that well being, are decreasingly tied to specific health in the American polity, and more to a global mindset.

Anyway, while Krugman does go some way towards approaching the problem, it's hard to imagine him continuing to be taken as a "serious" writer in the NYT if his vision expanded to such revolutionary extent.  But who knows, maybe he's crazy like a fox and is just gauging his own plausible relevance, as he sees it.  


The rich do not need to make such consessions (4.00 / 1)
If they discover they can oppress the middle and lower classes without fear of riot or other unrest.  The failure of the left has been partly a failure to credibly offer such a threat.  So, I have argued in the past and, despite the events in Arizona, continue to argue that the left needs less restraint rather than more civility.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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authoritarian - a word we should be using more (4.00 / 1)
Perhaps something good would happen if
we used the word "conservative" a lot less
and "authoritarian" a whole lot more.

For most on the left, it is almost second nature
to concede something or other.  

We are sometimes too willing to play by the other's rules.  
Add this this the patterns of an authoritarian personality.
The dynamic can lead to us using words from their sinisterly designed (Luntz) language.

In this situation you get us saying with our own mouths
something like the right's POV is actually Conservative,
as if that postitive word that connotes with saftey.

More here:  http://conservative.factormyth...


"something more nuanced" (4.00 / 4)
Yeah, definitely. Paul Krugman gets the intractability of the problem and then manages to frame the issue subtly in right-wing terms: one side says, "End slavery? That interferes with our 'property' rights" and the other wants the rights of the 'property' recognized. Deadlock.

But even the formulation of the problem is a right-wing frame and reflects Republican and right-wing propagandizing and mendacity:

  • Americans are "deeply divided"-"the majority of conservatives in the population at large do not subscribe to this position when asked about support for Social Security, Medicare, etc"-they're not as deeply divided in an operational sense; there's a split in that one group understands what's going on and the other doesn't
  • Republicans believe much of what the federal government does is 'illegitimate'-yes, just like they are against deficits, when they're not for them. Yes, except when it comes to, say, the federal government surveilling its citizens, redistributing wealth upward, and regulating marriage-the 'illegitimacy' of the federal government is a pretext for picking and choosing which policies support a conservative agenda.

Krugman is taking these rhetorical feints of the right and saying they're intractable. They are if they're taken at face value but to do so is to give them too much credence-which is what conservatives want. The very "intractability" of the problem tends toward "compromise" solutions, which would never occur if the problems were framed correctly. And, of course, if the problems were framed correctly and people understood them as such (something a person in power, say, a President, could do), the "divide," such as it is, would be a lot less deep and the problem less intractable. Most people would not support a truly conservative agenda if it were described accurately because a truly conservative agenda does not support most people.

I'm not negating the "strict father" view and the whole "bloody authoritarian agenda"-those are completely valid as analytical constructs-I'm saying the idea of a "deeply divided" country with one side honestly railing against the legitimacy of the federal government is itself something of a right-wing frame and supports the authoritarian agenda-it's not wrong in the sense that it accurately describes the debate as framed (with the caveats that you make, Paul)-but the framing itself is not right. (Contrast: (1) No, most people in fact support liberal policy, even though they might not call it that and (2) conservatives support "government" when it supports them and the status quo, which I think more closely describes reality.)


It's Fair To Say They're Deeply Dividing (4.00 / 1)
Against themselves, their fears and illusions.

Not exactly the usual suspects.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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re: krugman (0.00 / 0)
But the truth is that we are a deeply divided nation and are likely to remain one for a long time. ...
What are the differences I'm talking about?
One side of American politics considers the modern welfare state ... morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw ...
The other side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how needy, amounts to theft.

isn't krugman buying the plutocratic argument? isn't that what the small plutocratic elite would like us to believe? that's our actions are hopeless, give up and accept the economic destruction of the lower and middle classes?

isn't the 'krugman error' your point too here:

There are several things to note about Krugman's formulation, not the least of which is that his framing is far more favorable to the other side than it should be, as it needlessly grants the false premise that what people "earn" in a deeply politicized,


I Don't Think So Exactly (4.00 / 1)
Krugman isn't saying that our actions are necessarily hopeless, or that we should give up.  But he is definitely not as critical as he needs to be. Still, for someone hired to be a centrist true believer in free trade (why the Times originally hired him), he has come a lot further than most anyone else who was in that place 10-11 years ago.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I'll add two more complaints about how Krugman frames this, (4.00 / 2)
which gets to what Lakoff has said on the issue of what progressive thought is all about.

Back to Krugman:

One side of American politics considers the modern welfare state - a private-enterprise economy, but one in which society's winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net - morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. It's only right, this side believes, for the affluent to help the less fortunate. [my emphasis]

First, as Steven Attewell [pdf] out it, this misunderstands the idea behind the New Deal and the larger idea of Social Security (beyond the programs we have given that name to):

[T]he system that emerged as Social Security was meant to be a social contract between all members of society to protect one another from all of the "vicissitudes of modern life," of which old age was but one element. [my emphasis]

Second, I object to the use of the term 'safety net,' for the reasons given by
Page and Simmons:

[T]his image [of the safety net] seems to imply that all Americans are or should be highly skilled acrobats, unafraid of dizzying heights, willing to risk near-death experiences, for the entertainment of others.  Implicitly the metaphor dismisses the important of mundane, non-circus work. It takes for granted that we all have high-wire skills or access to the specialized training needed to acquire them.  It ignores the values of security and stability that are so important to many people, and it slights the idea of social insurance designed to prevent or mitigate, rather than dramatize, near-death falls.  The 'safety net' image....implies, quite contrary to evidence and experience, that falls are nearly always temporary, (acrobats quickly climb back up), and that falls are very rare.  Moreover, accompanying language often indicates that we should only help those rare victims of accident, the 'truly needy'--excluding the allegedly numerous fakers or  sluggards who have not really tried to be acrobats at all.

What's missing from Krugman, that is found in these passages, is the idea that we are all in this together, or that government must provide protection and ensure opportunity for all, or that government must treat all with equal dignity and respect that derives from the idea of full and equal personhood --three different ways of briefly summarizing the core idea of progressive thought. Instead, he takes a view, usually associated with liberalism, that there are people who suffer from bad luck or misfortune that the rest of us who do not should help. That is an ethic of caring (which is a good thing) but it still, like conservative thought, treats those people who might need help as separate from ourselves.  

I'll also point out, as I did on a Quick Hit that is about to vanish from the from page, that Attewell asks us to reframe the idea of the safety net in a way that recaptures the idea of universal rights to social insurance - which provides a much better alternative to the conservative ideas that Krugman is criticizing.  


Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


re:safety net (4.00 / 1)
thanks for that. hadn't thought about that term usage.

here's a link to the quick hit

ps. part 1 is close to what I was thinking, just expressed a lot better!


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If you'll forgive me one more link (0.00 / 0)
Jacob Hacker's The Great Risk Shift addresses point number one and should be more widely read for progressives who are looking to help people make sense of their own insecurity even when they seem to be well off, and how the solutions are broad based insurance approaches.    

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

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link away david! (0.00 / 0)
and my public library has it! I found it and other these titles for hacker:

Winner-take-all politics: how Washington made the rich richer-and turned its back on the middle class, 2010.

The great risk shift: the new economic insecurity and the decline of the American dream, 2008.

The great risk shift: the assault on American jobs, families, health care, and retirement and how you can fight back, 2006.

Off center: the Republican revolution and the erosion of American democracy, 2005.

my reading list got more crowded! is any particular title better to start with?


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I recommend them all (0.00 / 0)
and might suggest going in order - starting with Off Center.  Some people though Republican losses in 2006 and 2008 showed it was wrong.  In fact, their ability to come back in 2010 and to do so well in the minority show why they were right .

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

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thanks david (0.00 / 0)
off center will be the first!

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Working a little too hard at this (0.00 / 0)
I don't buy your analysis of this passage:

One side of American politics considers the modern welfare state - a private-enterprise economy, but one in which society's winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net - morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. It's only right, this side believes, for the affluent to help the less fortunate.

The other side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how needy, amounts to theft. That's what lies behind the modern right's fondness for violent rhetoric: many activists on the right really do see taxes and regulation as tyrannical impositions on their liberty.

The fact that Krugman didn't put the word "earn" in quotes means little.  He's using "earn" not in a moral sense but in the sense of "earnings" that means "salary".  He says, correctly, that the right believes that this amounts to "theft" and he makes clear his disagreement with this mode of thinking.  

It is quite possible to critique contemporary capitalism without invoking Lakoff.

On the other hand, you're quite right to point out that Krugman is on factually shaky ground when he says

Yet we have, for the most part, managed to agree on certain ground rules in the abortion controversy: it's acceptable to express your opinion and to criticize the other side, but it's not acceptable either to engage in violence or to encourage others to do so.

The anti-abortion right has never bought into that "consensus".

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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