Obama's DNI Appointee Adm. Blair Greenlighted Indonesian Massacre

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jan 10, 2009 at 10:38


An article at Counterpunch over the holidays by Gary Leupp-which kicks off with a quote from our own Chris Bowers talking about frustration with Obama's cabinet picks-reminds us:

During his debate with Clinton on January 31, Obama declared, "I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place. That's the kind of leadership that I think we need from the next president of the United States. That's what I intend to provide."

This is the kind of talk that seriously raised a lot of people's hopes.  How many hundred thousand volunteer hours was that soundbite worth?  Odds are, quite a few.  Sure, Digby's right (too many times to link to, just read her blog, okay?) there was plenty of evidence to the contrary-but that's why God invented soundbites-to get people to ignore evidence.  And it was so.

Now we have the unveiling of his top-tier intelligence team, and one man-Leon Panetta--caused an uproar because he's anti-torture and not part of the intelligence problem clique.  Plus DiFi needed to throw her weight around.  The other two, however, are everything Obama seemed to be campaigning against.  John Brennan we already know-he's the one who resigned because of the mean old bloggers in their PJs (yeah, right, wanna buy a bridge?)  But the one who's escaped major scrutiny, Admiral Dennis Blair, is just as out of synch with Obama's promise to change the mindset as Brennan is.

As award-winning journalist Alan Nairn explained on Democracy Now! on Tuesday, Blair had acted to support the Indonesian military in 1999, while they were involved in civilian massacres in East Timor, after the US official policy had finally changed.  Nairn had written about this at the time for The Nation, when, apparently no other reporters remained covering the story.  Nairn and Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman survived a 1991 massacre in Dili, East Timor, together, so they tend to not overlook what happens there.

Paul Rosenberg :: Obama's DNI Appointee Adm. Blair Greenlighted Indonesian Massacre
ALLAN NAIRN: Well, Admiral Blair was involved in supporting the Indonesian armed forces as they were massacring churches in East Timor, as they were killing civilians in 1999 in the run-up to a UN-sponsored free election. That election was due to decide whether East Timor would become independent. The Indonesian army was trying to stop the occupied Timorese from voting for independence, so they set up militias, which went on rampages.

In one incident, they went into a church in Liquica where refugees were hiding. They massacred them with machetes. Their flesh was found plastered to the walls. Two days after that, Admiral Blair went to meet with the Indonesian commander, General Wiranto, and he gave him reassurances that the US was still behind him. He offered him new US military aid. And even though Blair had been told by the State Department and the White House to tell Wiranto to stop the massacres, Blair did not do that. This is according to classified US cables which I obtained in 1999 and reported in The Nation magazine.

After that, when people at the State Department heard about what Blair had done, he was told to talk to Wiranto again. He again spoke to Wiranto, on the phone, and again reassured him, offered him new US military aid. Blair even offered Wiranto aid for the specific unit, the Brimob, the paramilitary police who had gone into that church as they chopped up the refugees and chopped up the clergy who were hiding there. General Wiranto naturally took this as reassurance. He escalated the attacks. Wiranto was later indicted for crimes against humanity. Blair has not been held to account.

And now, they say Obama wants to make him Director of National Intelligence. You know, Richardson is in trouble.

AMY GOODMAN: We have five seconds.

ALLAN NAIRN: Blagojevich is in trouble. That's small potatoes compared to what Admiral Blair did. ETAN, East Timor Action Network, is running a campaign to stop this nomination.

This is from an ETAN press release date Jan 7:

Adm. Blair Poor Choice as Director of National Intelligence, Says Rights Group Blair's History with Indonesia and East Timor Raises Questions about Likely Nominee

January 7 - The East Timor and Indonesia Action Network (ETAN) called Adm. Dennis Blair "a poor choice for intelligence director." The group urged President-elect Obama to reconsider the nomination, and make a break from past policies that have undermined human rights worldwide.

"During his years as Pacific Commander, Blair downplayed human rights concerns. He actively worked to reinstate military assistance and deepen ties with Indonesia's military despite its ongoing rights violations in East Timor and consistent record of impunity," said John M. Miller, National Coordinator of ETAN.

"Admiral Blair undermined U.S. policy in the months preceding the U.S.-supported and UN-sponsored referendum in East Timor in 1999," said Ed McWilliams, a senior U.S. embassy official in Jakarta at the time. "While senior State Department officials were pressing the Indonesian military to end the escalating violence and its support for militia intimidation of voters, Blair took a distinctly different line with his military counterparts. As Pacific Commander, his influence could have caused the military to rein in its militias. Instead, his virtual silence on the issue in meetings with the Indonesian generals led them and their militias to escalate their attacks on the Timorese."

"The extraordinarily brutal Indonesian retaliation against the East Timorese and the UN teams in East Timor following the Timorese vote for independence from Indonesia transpired in part because of Blair's failure to press U.S. Government concerns in meetings with the Indonesian general," said McWilliams.

"Blair's actions in 1999 demonstrated the failure of engagement to temper the Indonesian military's behavior; his actions helped to reinforce impunity for senior Indonesian officials that continues to this day," added Miller.

"The extraordinarily brutal Indonesian retaliation against the East Timorese and the UN teams in East Timor following the Timorese vote for independence from Indonesia transpired in part because of Blair's failure to press U.S. Government concerns in meetings with the Indonesian general," said McWilliams.

Bradley Simpson, author of Economists With Guns: Authoritarian Development and U.S.-Indonesian Relations, 1960-1968 also wrote about Blair over the Christmas weekend at Counterpunch, "The Skeletons in Dennis Blair's Closet".  He described the same events Nairn refers to, and he concluded:

Blair's apologetics for murder and torture by the Indonesian armed forces in East Timor, and his opposition to trials, international or otherwise, for the high level perpetrators of mass violence, offers a sobering indication of the positions he is likely to take as Director of National Intelligence. President-elect Obama's choice suggests that he will resist - as Blair almost certainly will - demands for the prosecution of high-ranking Bush Administration officials, much less lower level employees in the Pentagon and Central Intelligence Agency, for torture, rendition and other crimes carried out in the name of the so-called War on Terror.

So, what was that Obama said?  

"I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place. That's the kind of leadership that I think we need from the next president of the United States. That's what I intend to provide."

Well, not exactly.  It's hard to figure out just why Obama would want to continue the same failed policies that he could recognize so easily as an Illinois State Senator.  But that's what he seems to be preparing to do.

Maybe, though, some of the senators might get upset about this next piece of information. On Friday, Nairn returned to Democracy Now! with new information about Blair lying to Congress:

ALLAN NAIRN: Well, in addition to supporting General Wiranto as he and his forces were massacring churches and killing more than a thousand civilians in Timor in 1999, it now appears that Blair either lied to or willfully misled the US Congress in testimony given before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 3rd, 1999. In that testimony, Blair discussed the fall of the Indonesian dictatorship Suharto. Suharto fell in May of 1998. And Admiral Blair, in his prepared statement, submitted-made the following statement: "Throughout this process, the Indonesian armed forces have played a difficult but generally positive role. While there were instances of individual or small unit violence against Indonesian citizens, military leadership firmly supported the constitution. Moreover, the incidents of abuses, shootings and kidnappings that were reported are now being investigated and the perpetrators punished," end-quote.

Now, that is simply false. Almost every element of that statement is false, as anyone who is familiar with the situation in Indonesia at that time could tell you. It was not individual small units, but top Indonesian military officers, led by General Prabowo, who carried out the Kopassus kidnappings of activists, known as the "Rose Team" kidnappings. Not only did this involve senior officers, but those senior officers were US-trained. And the specific Kopassus intelligence units doing the kidnapping had a liaison with the US military attaché in the embassy, and General Prabowo was a longtime US protégé. The senior officers of the Indonesian military instigated anti-Chinese riots, in which their agents rampaged through the streets, burned houses, conducted mass rapes of Chinese and other women in the streets, a model of mayhem that was used one year later in occupied East Timor. They were also involved in the killings of protesters in the streets.

And Admiral Blair tried to tell the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Indonesian military leadership had firmly supported the constitution. Well, he had to know when he submitted that written statement that shortly before Suharto-as Suharto was falling, the Indonesian grassroots movement had announced a mass demonstration, and it was widely anticipated in Jakarta that this mass demonstration might draw a million people and that it would lead to the downfall not only of the individual dictator Suharto, but of the entire military establishment. So what did General Wiranto, the commander of the Indonesian armed forces, do? He told the organizers that if they held this demonstration, they would get a Tiananmen. They would be massacred by the military. And, in fact, they called the demonstration off, with the result that Suharto, the individual, fell, but the military institution run by Wiranto remained intact and dominates within Indonesian politics to this day. So, Admiral Blair was either lying or willfully deceiving the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 3rd, 1999.

Hello!  Administration officials lying to Congress!  Where have we seen this before?

"I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place. That's the kind of leadership that I think we need from the next president of the United States. That's what I intend to provide."

Let Bartlett be Bartlett Reagan be Reagan Obama be Obama.

Who's stopping him?

He is, of course.

This is, apparently, what Obama thinks "competence" looks like.

Me, I think it's ideology.  In fact, it's "the mindset that got us into war in the first place."

What say you?


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Maybe there is no "Obama" for Obama to be... (4.00 / 2)
"Let (Bartlett be Bartlett Reagan be Reagan) Obama be Obama."

But maybe there's nothing but a series of masks automatically adjusted to "make you look bipartisan," as Rahm would say.

So now we have Leon Panetta, a 70-year-old debutante in the field of intelligence, to balance Blair and Brennan, and if Panetta wanders off the reservation, there's Kappes running day-to-day operations at CIA to get him back in line.

As far as I can tell, Mr. Rosenberg's excellent synthesis only goes slightly wrong in the title: It wasn't a massacre in East Timor.

It was genocide.



The Malady Lingers On (4.00 / 5)
Let's see, how did that tune go? Maybe it's time for a recap:

1) Obama isn't a progressive, you dummy. He's been telling you that right from the get-go, and you elected him anyway. Stop whining and grow up.

2) Obama is magic. It doesn't matter how many imperialist retreads he puts in the cabinet; they're gonna do what he tells them to anyway. The sheer force of his a) intellect, and b) personality, will overwhelm them, not to mention c) the size of his electoral mandate.

3) Obama is short of time. He therefore has to put competence ahead of ideology, and we all know how competent Larry Summers is, and Robert Gates, and Hillary Clinton. The problem is, progressives don't know anybody know how to run anything.

4) Obama has to beware of dragons. If he pisses off too many Wall Streeters, Defense Analysts, Generals, Southern Irredentists and Israelis, they'll turn their backs on him, and the whole government will seize up. C'mon guys, you know it's true: no public spending without tax cuts, no foreign policy without a blind eye and bunker busters for Tel-Aviv.

5) Obama is only human. He hasn't even been inaugurated yet, and you guys are all over him. Give the man a chance before you start denouncing him. What's one homophobic preacher anyway, given the scope of our problems?

6) It sorta doesn't matter who Obama is, except that he isn't Sarah Palin. Washington is the Beast of Revelations, and we're running out of time. Let's pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and try to get a word in when we can.

On the whole, I personally favor 6), I think, but if I change my mind, maybe I'll just try a taste of yours. That'd okay, right?


i largely agree with you but i think there's an element of truth in #4 as well (4.00 / 1)


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Yep. I was thinking the distinctions between 4 and 6 were marginal. n/t (0.00 / 0)


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here's the difference (4.00 / 1)
#6 is more open in the sense of possibility and opportunities that are available to people.
#4 is acknowledging the limitations that structurally limit the exercise of power (whether economic, social or otherwise) - whether by obama or by a mass movement or anyone.

it's a bit like rocky iv :)  you can't pretend drago doesn't eixst - you have to undersatnd that he's bigger and stronger than you and then do the best that you can to find a way to win anyhow.


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The Malady Lingers On (0.00 / 0)
Lately, I have carefully thought about whether Obama was just deceitful with us during his campaign by luring us to believe in his "change we need mantra."  But I have just realized that may be Obama is being savvy here, by putting such appointees together. That is, he wants to appoint such folks so that the nation would feel he is governing from the center.  Then he will overwhelm his appointees with his intelligentsia to execute his "platforms".  In fact Chris Matthews at MSNBC has also made a similar observation.

So, let us wait and see his actions in 10 days time!  


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Really? (0.00 / 0)
What sort of administration do you expect from this ball of wax? I really think my fears are coming true. Obama thinks being the first African-American president is his crowning accomplishment. Everything else is proforma.

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proforma (0.00 / 0)
aka: done by others

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this really is a great example of why people feel obama has been very decietful (4.00 / 2)
when you talk about change you always carry the risk of not changing enough to match peoples imaginations. but Obama's risk was even greater, because Obama is a very good speaker, and in many subjects he sought to, and did, draw nuanced distinctions between boiler plate change promises (hillary) and substantive change. he spelled out in the detailed terms Americans all knew, on many subjects, what the root problems are. The example Paul draws is an excellent one, but there are many others, and I think these show directly why many have not become just cynical about Obama, but down right angry at him. as this goes on, if this remains Obamas tactic he will loose the populist power he thinks he has very quickly; it will not take long for a majority of the country to quickly regain its cynicism, and then Obama will be in real trouble, because when he goes again to ask people "to believe" they will roll their eyes and mutter, "here we go again". we will be able to gauge if/when this reversion to cynicism is back when Obama loses a battle with Congress.

~* the * Will * to go on *~

i disagree, i think he's clever by the half in terms of staying in power (4.00 / 3)
the majority ot eh peopleit he country don't give a fuck about east timor or about hindu supremacism or any number of other things that his appointments have been accused of.  what they will ultimately care about is their opinion (as shaped by a media narrative unless we intervene) and berad and butter issues.  whereas bill richardson was forced / volulnteered to step away - why? because two corrupt governnor stories is too many.

what this is a great example of is how we can use his brand that he stole from us against him and in the process raise attention to an important issue.  but we have to start winning some of these...this looks like one to win, especially with what's happening in israel/palestine and sri lanka right now.


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Hammer, Meet Nail.. (4.00 / 1)
Absolutely effing true, that.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates

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people do care (4.00 / 1)
for each individual there are hot topics, hot policies, hot offices. if obama makes it a routine to rightfully highlight the core failings of DC but then does not go on to address them, or makes decisions that blatantly represent maintaining the status quo, if only like 40% of the time (who knows what the tipping point really is? but it nee not be a majority), he'll cause a revision to cyncism. he's publicly engaging in willfully ignoring his own awareness. i have to imagine that is extremely toxic, maybe more so than just being an idiot (bush). but he also has a lot of capital. im not saying its a doomsday scenario, but he is at risk of being taken down a few pegs.

I completely agree his brand can be used against him. i think i've suggested as much in other comments before. he's about ripe for a schooling. he almost buried himself under soc security the other day. he's in a high risk environment too because black swans are lurking. for example, if he requests tarp2 and the S&P; hits 600 I think the floodgates of cynicism would bust wide open.  

~* the * Will * to go on *~


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Impending crisis of legitimacy (4.00 / 2)
That's what the Villagers are toying with right now.

Congress has shown itself to be willfully incompetent (or corrupt) in too many areas. This is one of the reasons why I wince every time Obama says he wants congress to take the lead on something. He's already thinking defensively and doesn't want to take too much responsibility for much of anything.

But looking for political cover all the time can lead to disastrous policies and this country simply can't afford much more of that.

Obama is facing a Perfect Shitstorm. I think he knows that, but I have doubts about his ability to navigate it with some of the people he has chosen to trust to make decisions on his behalf. His economic "team" is particularly disturbing in my eyes and his foreign policy team is shaping up to prove disastrous as well if Obama isn't super-effing-careful. I mean, they're the architects of our current crisis! Failing upward seems a buy-partisan affliction, does it not?

I mean, Dennis Ross as Lead Middle East Envoy of Despair? Augustus Norton called him "the dead hand on the wheel of Clinton's peace process." That pretty much spells N-U-K-E-I-R-A-N to a lot of people. Yeah, he'll do wonders for our collective image abroad!

So yes, the legitimacy of our federal gumint is coming into doubt.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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"for each individual there are hot topics, hot policies, hot offices." (4.00 / 2)
i agree.  but there are question of power here as well.  to take a very basic example - the u.s. government's policies affect pretty much everyone in the world.  But there is no feedback mechanism politically that would allow for the opinions of people in East Timor or in Niger or in pretty much any other place in the world outside the U.S. to count for the opininon of an average voter inn the U.S.  In the same way that a disenfranchised felon voter's opinion and interests or a noncitizen's opinion and intnersts are not registered by the political system as a franchised citizen's intersts.  And that's just legally- when you start considering the social and economic power that various people and groups wield, you start to get a sense of why Obama could implement policies that would not result in cynicism (e.g. by promoting an expansion of health care or ethanol funding) but would still not result in anything like equality or democracy in terms of the people who have power being forcd to take account of the opinnions of all the people who are affected by their decisions.  

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I didn't expect backing genocide to be any hindrance to his nomination, since (4.00 / 5)
Blair was only doing what the US had done in East Timor for 25 years (not to mention in countries throughout Latin America and Indochina since WWII), but you'd think disobeying orders from President Clinton in order to urge the genocide to continue, you'd think that would be at least give Obama some concern about Blair's loyalty.

Anyway, this shows once more that there is a disproportionate focus on torture and rendition. Those are terrible atrocities, but far from the most grave so long as we have an imperialist foreign policy that condones and rewards genocide. As Nairn said in that interview, on Jan. 20th unless Obama makes immediate changes, he will become the world's #1 arms dealer, the world's #1 funder of paramilitaries, and of course the #1 funder and supporter of the terrorist state of Israel. In 10 days Obama will the President of a rogue terrorist state. Blair makes a nice fit.


what makes you think he was disobeying orders? (4.00 / 2)
     ALLAN NAIRN: President Clinton, you sold weapons to the Indonesian military. You brought General Suharto, the Indonesian dictator, to the Oval Office and offered him F-16s. The next day, a White House official told the New York Times Suharto was "our kind of guy." Your administration under the JCET program sent Green Berets into Indonesia. They trained the Indonesian Kopassus Special Forces in advanced sniper technique, urban warfare and similar tactics. In 1999, in April, when the Indonesian military and their militias massacred-

     BILL CLINTON: Get to the point.

     ALLAN NAIRN: I'm getting to the point. I'm getting to the point.

     BILL CLINTON: Get to the point.

     ALLAN NAIRN: Yes, I'm getting exactly to the point. You were just talking about freedom in Timor-

     BILL CLINTON: You want to make a speech? Listen to him. Give him a hand. He's giving a good speech.

     ALLAN NAIRN: I wanted to ask you about the facts, President. In 1999, in April, the Indonesian military and their militias massacred fifty people in the rectory in Liquica. They hacked them with machetes. Two days later, Admiral Blair, the commander for the Pacific, your commander, met with General Wiranto, the Indonesian commander. He offered to help him in lobbying the US Congress to get full US military training restored. He made no mention of the Liquica massacre. During that same period, the Indonesian militias rampaged here in downtown Dili. They attacked the house of Manuel Carrascalao. They massacred the refugees there. Yet you continued for months with aid to the Indonesian military. Why?

     BILL CLINTON: What's your question, sir?

     ALLAN NAIRN: Why did you continue with aid to the Indonesian military if they were killing civilians?

     BILL CLINTON: First of all, I can't answer the question you asked about Admiral Blair. You'll have to ask him that, because I'm not aware of that.

     ALLAN NAIRN: He was working for you. Why did you continue military aid to Indonesia?

     BILL CLINTON: I understand that. I think, first of all, I don't believe America or any of the other countries were sufficiently sensitive in the beginning and for a long time, a long time before 1999, going all the way back to the '70s, to the suffering of the people of East Timor. I don't think we can defend everything we did.

     I think that-I think that our objective, which was to try to keep Indonesia from coming apart and from having some of the influences that I think we still worry about in Indonesia dominate, led us to do some things, which, in my judgment, made us not as sensitive as we should have been to the suffering of the people here. And all I can tell you is that when it became obvious to me what was really going on and that we couldn't justify not standing up for what the East Timorese wanted and for the decent treatment for them-

He's still an a$$hole, but he's Bill Clinton's a$$hole.


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Actually (4.00 / 2)
Nairn does make the case that Blair continued backing the military after Clinton had decided to change course.

So, there's definitely more here than "only following orders."

You'd think Obama might be a bit troubled by the rouge elephant streak, but apparently, not so much when it's a rightward lunging elephant.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If he was going rogue (4.00 / 1)
Then why wasn't he unceremoniously bounced out of his career?

I understand Clinton was a total wussie with the military, but insubordination is insubordination and in this case, we're talking accessory to war crimes.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Well, This Was The Question Nairn Was Trying To Get Answered (4.00 / 1)
Or, perhaps more importantly, asked in a sufficiently high-profile way, so as to shake some things loose.

Never under-estimate the degree of Democratic wussitude.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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how do we know what clinton said to blair on the phone (4.00 / 1)
that's my point.  it's not that i'm  defending  blair or any of the people who are complicit in u.s. policy towards east timor over 30 years - it's that i wouldn't be so quick to excuse clinton.  particularly since obama's admin is reputed to be a good vetter (for their ends,  not mine) - so why would he knowinngly hire someone who's rogue?

however whether or not you want ot indulge my deepseated venom towards bill clinton who let us all down in so many ways that i have lost count, none of this makes Blair acceptable and i understand that saying he is rogue would make him politically less palatable to people who don't care about u.s. foreign policy violence but do care about good government, rogue generals etc.  I just don't need to point to anything for my own sake other than this:

In April 1999, just days after  Indonesian security forces and their militias carried out a brutal churchyard massacre, Adm. Blair delivered a message of 'business-as-usual' to Indonesian General Wiranto, then Commander of the Indonesian armed forces. Following East Timor's pro-independence vote,  Blair sought the quickest possible restoration of military assistance, despite Indonesia's highly destructive exit.

Particularly since the pattern is the hiring of big-name people (in their respective realms) who have done $hitty things they refuse to acknowledge are shitty or apologize for, though I suppose you could tack on the abuse of government power and the idea of being above the law is also relevant. e.g. Sonal Shah, the person on his transition team who has had ties to American branches of Hindu fundamenatlist groups, did so while workinng at the Treasury Department and used her Treasury department e-mail address.  

You can name any number of other appointees at this point who have similar patterns.  That is the government we are looking at, for better or, more likely, for worse.


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Nairn's case is based on contacts and classified military cables (4.00 / 1)
http://www.counterpunch.org/na...

When word got back to the State Department that Blair had said these things in a meeting, an "eyes only" cable was dispatched from the State Department to Ambassador Stapleton Roy at the embassy in Jakarta. The thrust of this cable was that what Blair had done was unacceptable and that it must be reversed. As a result of that cable from Washington to Roy, a corrective phone call was arranged between General Wiranto and Admiral Blair. That call took place on April 18.

I have the official report on that phone call, which was written by Blair's aide, Lieut. Col. Tom Sidwell. According to the account of the call and according to US military officials I spoke to, once again Blair failed to tell Wiranto to shut the militias down.

However, it is possible that Blair was getting different orders the very top as an end-around the State Department. Either way, Clinton supported genocide until he was pressured to stop, so neither scenario is much of a defense for Clinton. As far as I'm concerned, he should be going to The Hague right along with Bush and his crew.


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Change We Can't Believe In (4.00 / 4)
Great post, per usual...

It's hard to figure out just why Obama would want to continue the same failed policies that he could recognize so easily as an Illinois State Senator

I don't see too many possibilities here. Either 1), he just doesn't have a fucking clue as to what he's doing, or 2) "if it was good enough for Bill Clinton, it's good enough for me," or 3) the US foreign policy establishment really enjoys this sick shit. Or some combination thereof.

There's a lot of ideology at work here. Anyone who thinks supporting this kind of slaughter around the globe is somehow "pragmatic" or "competent," needs to have their heads examined. It doesn't cost much of anything to distance one's self from these heinous crimes. Indeed, it's hardly a stretch to opbserve that these kinds of policies have seriously degraded our collective image around the globe. That is typically seen as a detriment to our national security interests as well. The House should have, for example, thought of that before voting for their cutesy house resolution supporting canned slaughter in Gaza. But no matter.

Besides, why would the Clinton Administration and congress turn a blind eye  to all this at the time if it wasn't something they were okay with? Perhaps soon we can all put Clinton Hagiography in the compost heap, where it belongs. The more we learn about these things, the more suspect their behavior (and subsequent excuses) with respect to Rwanda becomes.

But having said that, it should also be pointed out that none of this is in anyway inconsistent with US Foreign Policy post WW2, or going back to the Philippine War... wait, we can go farther back than that. The US has been doing all sorts of horrible things, all over the world, for a long time now. Remember latin america in the '70s and '80s. Pinochet's Chile, Duarte's El Salvador, the absolute horror that was Guatemala, and so on. We've been teaching our client states how to torture for the purpose of domestic socio-political control (ie, state terrorism) for a very long time. In light of this, our more recent official fetish with torture should be seen in this light, not in the bogus terms of "intelligence gathering" and "ticking time bombs." It's about terrorizing innocents. That's the real utility of torture.

To be fair to Obama, he's relatively young and inexperienced. He's worked very hard all his adult life to get where he is today and such a singular devotion to one's ambition makes for some pretty huge blind spots. It also makes one much more likely to look the other way if it will help him in his career. Perhaps now that he's reach the pinnacle of power, he can start paying attention to what got us here in the first place. I'm not terribly optimistic that will happen, but it does seem possible.



"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


There's PLENTY To Explain It In General (4.00 / 1)
And you're absolutely right about all of that.  I'm just unsure why it is in particular that Obama feels so wedded to people who are quite, quite close to the very approach he so vocally criticized.

I wasn't really expecting him to have a hidden Che Guevera t-shirt on underneath his shirt and tie.  I was simply expecting he might see the wisdom in avoiding loading up with an excess of reckless cowboy types.

Apparently, not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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because it hasn't failed in domestic politics (4.00 / 3)
what has failed is neoconism - or imperialism that is moronically conceived, implemented, and defended.  what has not failed politically is neoliberal imperialism - the bill cliton variety.  bill clinton is a well loved figure in the u.s. and abroad for god knows what reason - the historians are going to have a field day psychologically deconstructing us.

and there's teddy roosevelt, and there's harry truman, and there's john f. kennedy, and there's any number of other people who are never held accountnable in progressive american account let alone mainstream accounts of the enormous violence that the u.s. has done in the rest of the world over the psat century at least, and probably muh longer.  

But it's more consequential since its been the largest economic and then military power int he world and particularly so since the late 1970s and beyond.

this is why a stronger progressive agenda so desperately needs an anti-imperialist critique and an understanding that solidarity among women across broders and citizenship categories, among workerss across borders and the same, among lgbt people across borders and the same, etc. etc. is all very very important.  while still taking into account the differences in power between say an lgbt person in the u.s. and one in bangladesh.


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I Suppose You Have A Point (4.00 / 1)
Although it takes stupendous powers of denial to ignore the fact that the neocons only got their shot because everything else had failed to make their policies utterly unthinkable in the first place--which any reasonably competent foreign policy could do standing on its head in its sleep, under heavy sedation, with one hand tied behind its back, while whistling and chewing gum at the same time.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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but that's where we get into the distinction between competence and fairness (4.00 / 1)
you can have a poltiically competent foreign policy that's grossly immoral - that t hat's the standard "bipartisan" u.s. foreign policy is my argument.  it's that the neocon's strayed fromm  things like the powell doctrine that got them into shit with people who don't like oil flows being disrupted or acknowledging global disparities in wealth.  until we confront that, we're not going to get anywhere near a progressive foreign policy - as a simple example, you can look at it like israel's foreign policy - it's certainly responsive to domestic politics in israel - but not to eh palestinians.

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Different Reference Frames (4.00 / 1)
You're looking at what can be stable in short run given the power imbalances.

I'm looking at what can be stable in the long run, given that "the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

Both are true.  Just different angles, is all.

Now, my argument is that a progressive foreign policy can be advanced by arguing a convergence of what's moral, and what can possibly survive in the long run, given the whole Ozymandias thing.

Naturally, this also requires a willingness to bitch-slap the hell out of the folks Obama wants to get all kissy-face with.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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This says it (4.00 / 3)
Naturally, this also requires a willingness to bitch-slap the hell out of the folks Obama wants to get all kissy-face with.

While I'm not too comfortable with the idea of a very "moralistic" FP, an ETHICAL one should be not only achievable, but functionally desirable as well. Good ethics make for good business and since most foreign relations are really about business in one sense or another (making deals is "business" in one sense or another), then it follows, at least in my own addled brain, that an ethically strong FP makes for good relations. I'm probably being naive in saying this, but I don't care.

The point you raise, to my mind, is where one "gets ahead of" the discourse. If Progressives, who are historically a most pragmatic bunch, can start shifting the conversation towards a Post-Imperialist frame, then things can happen. We can't afford Imperialism. We can't pay for it either. Nor are the people of this country gaining ANYTHING at all from it, so there you go. Then we can talk fairness and how being fair is actually good for business and so on.  

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Amen, brother Rosenberg, amen. (0.00 / 0)
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no i thihnkn we just have different interpretations of whether there is an "arc" of human history and... (0.00 / 0)
whether that story is at all progressive in a moral (rather than dominating nature / technological / economic) sense.

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They ignored the Powell Doctrine (4.00 / 2)
The Neos never liked  the Powell Doctrine. It's too expensive and requires cooperation from people we used to think of as "allies", so they came up with the fantastical Rum Rum Doctrine, a magical place in which numbers and hard core reality simply don't apply. Kind of like The Twilight Zone, except with a decided neo-fascist bent to it.

In IR, the term "fairness" doesn't come up very much. The Realists have a two-dimensional version of it which they only use when it suits them, the Liberal Internationalists are all over that shit (which is why they are almost banned from public fora), the Liberal Interventionists are basically Neo-Cons with manners ... so fairness is a problematic word.

I've been looking for a Progressive Foreign Policy, but as yet, I haven't found one in any real sense among the so-called progressive think tankers. I think it will emerge, since there are people who want to invent one, but as yet its in it's infancy. A progressive foreign policy would most certainly have to be a Post-Imperialist FP, so the establishment isn't too keen to entertain such notions.

There's a lot of corporate indignation at any such notion, and since that's who funds most of the FP "think tanks," we shouldn't be too surprised at their policy output.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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i think a moral foreign policy position (0.00 / 0)
from progressives in a global hegemon (still! as unbelievable as that is given the level of sheer competence displayed!) to their 'leaders' is "stfu!."  No more "strategic" involvements, no more war, no more pretending that economic and military interests are humanitarian, no more support for the arms trade, no more promoting domestic violence at home and killing abroad through the military industrial complex.  It's premised on - no more violence - physical, emotional, political, or otherwise.

And for everyone who says this isn't practical - stfu :)  It's eminently practical  because non-violence doesn't mean that you renounce the right to defend yourself as a person - it means that you do so because you're DEFENDING yourself not out of a desire to punish or act out of rage or secure your ability to acquire things.  It means you do it with compassion and intelligence, with smart people rather than smart bombs, and a little  bit of human decency.  

I think in foreign  policy more than anywhere else it's the culture of violence that is the normal state of affairs.


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Neo-Liberalism is Dying Under It's Own Stupidity (4.00 / 5)
Neo-Liberalism is dying from the global economic meltdown. Hell, Neo-Liberalism preordained it! The imperialism will go with it, since it is inexorably connected to the larger trade and banking system. There will probably be a lot of shooting, as it's proponents attempt to restore status quo ante, but ultimately it will fail because N-L is unsustainable.

Ditto for the neo-con school. Thing is, both of these "schools" are still in power at the moment. What scares the bejeebus out of me at times are the convulsions the deaths of these "ideas" will foist on so many helpless people. US policies with respect to the entire ME, asia and so on are all about trying to get a corpse to breathe again.

Indeed, US power will take a big hit, especially if the Lords (and Lordettes) Of The Realm decide that the real economy still isn't as important as bailing out the crooked CEO-class. The misnamed "unipolar" moment is quite and well over.

If the progressive "movement" (quotes because I'm still not sure if it really is one yet) can start getting ahead of some of this stuff, it stands to gain. Crisis = Danger & Opportunity, etc.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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sure the economics of it (4.00 / 2)
but not the imperialism aspect of it - just look at the good war bad war line that obama promotes.  more of the same in that regard.

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I agree (4.00 / 4)
But the imperialist model can't survive without the economic/trade/finance model, so there you go. The American imperialist model IS neo-liberalism writ large. That system is done, as is already being evidenced all over the globe.

We are already seeing a lot of protectionist rhetoric all over the place. There's food crises, energy crises, an overall trade crisis purely due to the fact that banks won't write letters of credit to each other. This is, unfortunately in most respects, get a lot worse. Socio-political strife is already building. Witness Greece and Pakistan (food, energy and financial strife) for starters. This is not something the US and its allies can possibly contain. There simply isn't enough money to throw around.

The US economy will continue to collapse for the time being. The Chinese economy is collapsing because they waited too long to strengthen their own internal markets, so now they are well and truly fucked. On and on this goes, where it stops, nobody knows.

So the status quo ante is simply not achievable, even though that is precisely what the Villagers all want. You see where this goes.

The danger in all this lies in how far both groups of Neos are willing to push things. Methinks they are willing to go long on fourth down, as it were (watching football as I write this!). I think the current slaughter in Gaza has more than a little to do with this, as will the "surge" in Afghanistan and so on.

The American model of Imperialism is almost purely economic/financial. Sure, the military exists to back-stop the economic relations (mostly because they KNOW those relations are not politically feasible, thereby requiring the use of force on occasion), and the name of that model is Neo-Liberalism. Neo-Conservatism, in this sense, is just a more Jacobin version of the same. In this sense, neo-conservatism is a natural, if irrational, outgrowth of the neo-libs, since they're just too impatient. They want Capitulation Now, Dammit!

Wanting to rule the world is one thing, actually being able to another. The irony of all this is that as the criminal CEO-class (I swear, I'm not a Marxist, even if sentences like this one make me sound like one!) have screwed things up so badly that as our economy collapses, so does everyone else's. Indeed, as we scuttle our own economic future just to bail these denizens of The Hamptons, so goes the rest of the global economy along with it, for most of the same reasons.

So yes, the imperial dream is dying. It's all over but the shooting at this point.

The real question is whether or not a serious alternative to the current paradigm will be offered and supported. I think it's possible. But it won't be pretty in any case.


"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Wow! (4.00 / 1)
Superb analysis, and beautifully presented. God, I love it here sometimes.

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enjoyed the analysis (0.00 / 0)
i disagree with three points:

"The US economy will continue to collapse for the time being. The Chinese economy is collapsing because they waited too long to strengthen their own internal markets, so now they are well and truly fucked. On and on this goes, where it stops, nobody knows."

There is a difference between the collapse of the productive sectors of an economy and a recession.  In the U.S. you've seen the latter in the fit of brilliance that the bunch of roving bandits that run the country call "neoliberalism" and we call "market fundamentalism."  To be honest, I don't think I know much about what the Chinese economy is doing because there's so little reporting out of China, but I thinkn it's going to be fine in the long run.  What they've done, because they've been able to inure themselves  first from  the Soviet Union and then the United States and coordinate economic policy, is to engage in industiral policy that would promote convergence of wealth with rich countries over the long run.  I think it's just not at a point where the country is ready politically at least and probably economically, to exert its will on a global stage.  It made more sense for them to lay low and let the U.S. and other elites destroy their own countries and put all the financing innto Chinese industry while China buys up treasury notes.  now, as expected, I think they're sitting pretty for the long run (assuming there is one, which I assume there is, prior to we all being dead).

"The American model of Imperialism is almost purely economic/financial. Sure, the military exists to back-stop the economic relations (mostly because they KNOW those relations are not politically feasible, thereby requiring the use of force on occasion), and the name of that model is Neo-Liberalism"

I think this is a good description of what did exist (though it underplays the extent of "small wars", CIA, coups, etc. and their effect.  I tink a better description is that the Ameican model of imperialism has been economic/financial/hegemonic rather than militarily naked for some time, though obviously this has varied,  and what is presented as covered to the domestic audience may be quite naked to where the bombs are dropping or the shah is being overthrown or the military is being funded and trained for  human rights atrocities.  You can see a list here.

But more pertinently, you do such a great job of marking off the past vs. the present - which is so useful, but here it falls apart.  I largely agree wtih your description of American "soft" imperialism (with the caveat that it wasn't so soft if you lilved in Guatemala, Haiti, or Iran) - but if the productive economy is gutted and the countnry has been solely developing its military economy for a long time and the finance sector is failing - well what is going to do?  It becomes something of a self-perpetuating cycle unless it undergoes something like what Britain did after World War II in its sort-of-post-imperial phase by establishing the national health service among other things.  But my point is that it took two global wars to exhuast the will and drive and capacity to fight and dominate.  So I've often dreaded what would happen when the U.S. finally declined because people would go nuts given how arrogant American pop culture is about proclaiming how great the U.S. is (see: Lewis Black and Chris Rock, our first Black president, for rejoinders), and then I realized that's what neoconism, Iraq, and Afghanistan wars are about...but I hope it's the end as you imagine, rather than just the beginning.  You already see echoes of neocon policies in the way that Obama talked about Afghanistan in the debate - as if you can just militarily democratize a place without any conception of what democracy really means.

"(I swear, I'm not a Marxist, even if sentences like this one make me sound like one!)"

This isn't so much a disagreement as a statement - I wish you were. :)  I'm not really - I guess I'm a post-marxist or something like it - but there's a lot of value in Marxism and I wish that progressives in the U.S. would get over their fears and the hundred years of violence by the U.S. government on any sense of class analysis and leftist ideology and embrace it - this is what makes sense.  You can frame it in christian terms or you can frame it in Marxist terms, but it has a lot of merit as part of your analysis :)  So don't be afraid!  no need to apologize for your analysis, and anyone who says otherwise and go f@#k themselves!

:D


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Case in point: Progressives have hammered the notion that the sanctions against Iraq were "working" (0.00 / 0)
often without any apparent awareness of the cost of those sanctions: an estimated half a million children killed and over a million Iraqis in total. But because this was Clinton's policy, because Good Democrats like Madeleine Albright were saying the price of killing all those children was "worth it" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ), there is a general consensus that Iraq was being handled well until Bush came along.

There is a question which seems very open to debate, yet almost totally ignored: What has inflicted more suffering and devastation, Bush II's war or the sanctions from 1990-2003?


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also the idea that there were 2 wars (4.00 / 1)
rather than one continuous war.  bad analysis is the price of being overly reactive, imo.  the neocons just upped the anti and then all of a sudden there were arguments that the sanctions were a good idea, that military intervention under the u.n. auspices was somehow a good idea rather than simply just less bad than what we got - some of them were probably principled if inhumane arguments - the others were mostly panic responses I think, in that time of panic.  Justified ones, maybe.

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I don't think he's really thought it through (4.00 / 5)
He's been very vocal in his opposition to the Iraq invasion, but that's really it as far as the bulk of US foreign policy goes. They're going to do a "surge" in Afghanistan, even though there seems to be a lot of doubt about its efficacy.

But he's pretty quiet about everything else. Brennan got busted and won't get CIA, so they're putting him on NSC staff. Blair should have been disqualified for a number of reasons, chief of which is to reverse the present course of militarizing the intelligence community outright. He should know, as a constitutional scholar, why that's important.

But in the end, he's a law professor with a massive shipload of ambition. I doubt he's ever spent much time on the history of US foreign policy or US economic history for that matter. Indeed, his selection for OLC says many good things and that's also more in his area of expertise. It's his good choices that lead me to think some of these things are better explained through his ignorance and willingness to take advice from the very same people that hired Blair in the first place. He probably doesn't have any clear ideas about whom to hire or not in areas outside his knowledge.

Much of the foreign policy establishment is made of these cowboy types. They're everywhere and they've been in control since well before any of us were born.

In the end, it's really the multi-nationals that control US foreign policy. Obama may not want to mess with that. Clinton sure as shit didn't and he got paid very well for his deference.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Good Points (4.00 / 1)
I've been fairly skeptical (if not quite cynical) of how deeply Obama's thought about anything.

But you're rightly pointing out that I may not have been nearly skeptical enough.

I believe Lilly Tomlin once said something that's vaguely relevant here.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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There's an understandable tendency (4.00 / 4)
To analyze the system through the people in power--I do it myself. While there are times when this is appropriate, every person still works for the system and the system has it's own history/memory. Ultimately, Obama is just another cog in a vast machine, much bigger than he is.

There are limits to all kinds of power, no matter who "owns" it, whether we talk about Obama's willingness or ability to change things or whether we're even talking about US power in aggregate around the globe. Twenty years ago I was hoping this little lesson was being learned (after Vietnam), but it appears I was very much mistaken. Indeed, the country club mafia that runs this country seems vastly more talented at self and mutual delusion than anything else, no?

Even the POTUS has to play by rules set down by other people, almost none of which were ever elected to public office. Going against that would require some real cunning and as intelligent as Obama really is, I've never gotten the impression he was ever really that engaged in making "real change," mostly because I don't think he really knows what that means in his own mind. That doesn't mean it won't come to him at some point though.

The dude's my age and his whole life has been about getting to where he is now. Rightly or wrongly, that makes him the ultimate poster child of careerism. So while he's been "workin' it," how much time has he really spent pondering the deeper meaning of much of anything? Methinks he's pretty good at legal stuff (damn well should be, eh?) and Holder's nomination not withstanding (jury's out with me, as it were) his OLC choice sends a pretty stunning message. So all is not lost, it's just that he has a lot to learn and he'd better start talking to some brighter folks than the ones he's talking to right now.

Obama is the most talented politician any of us have ever seen (in the US, anyway). Let's hope his intentions are better than his neophyte judgement thus far. If so, I expect some turnover in the admin within the first year.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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You Make Some Good Points (4.00 / 2)
Though I have to demur re Obama being "the most talented politician any of us have ever seen."  Maybe in the sense that one talks about a "pure shooter" in basketball, or some other narrow niche.  But to gain so much power--clearly, to a certian extent, fortuitously, and then be so micro-skilled and macro-flummoxed, that's a much more mixed record than most are willing to recognize.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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cmon dude (4.00 / 1)
he's a Black man with the middle name Hussein who not  only beat a field full of Democratic primary candidates, but also the Clinton machine and was actually elected.  Sure, he was very very very lucky in terms of timing and whatnot - but he also didn't wait to run as many people suggested, and didn't run a dumb campaign.  He's got political skills, even though their exercise is not always to my liking.

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Obama Just Wanted To Be President (4.00 / 4)
Just as a pure shooter just wants to shoot baskets, and lets all the rest slide--the passing game, assists, winning games, etc.--so, too, Obama just wanted to be President.  So, while a more principled person would have actually been an anti-war advocate in the Senate (not saying "pacifist," just anti-the-war-that-he-said-he-was-anti), with Obama, not so much.

And to me, a politician who gets himself elected for standing for something and then doesn't actually stand for it?  Well, he may be an excellent pure shooter.  But he'll never really be a ball-player in the full meaning of the term.  And if he's not a ball-player in the full meaning of the term, then how can he possibly be the best?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"Obama is the most talented politician any of us have ever seen (in the US, anyway)." (0.00 / 0)
That's the statement I was defending.  I think you're going to be impressed with his political skills in terms of staying power.  As Elizabeth Drew said, I think it was, he thinks long.  I don't think you're going to be particularly happy with how they're used.  Just my hunch.

"And to me, a politician who gets himself elected for standing for something and then doesn't actually stand for it?"

He ran for President of the biggest military and economic power in the world, and used most of what was at his disposal to sell people on it.  And now he's going to act like President of the biggest military and economic power in the world at a moment when progressives are only starting to find a voice and conservatives of various stripes (i.e. crazy and cowardly) still hold much sway.  So that's what he reflects, regardless of what he thinks, if in fact he thinks anything.  His job for the system is to stabilize it for the market since it got so out of whack, not to overhaul it for people- that's our job.

I'll grant he's made some mistakes already - like supporting the bailout.


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You Keep Sliding Away From My Point (0.00 / 0)
That other politicians with a serious sense of moral obligation may not rise so easily with glib acquiessence to the powers that be, but still may be better politicians than Obama.

The fact that some politicians retain their independence and integrity in high office is, in its own way, as great or greater an accomplishment than getting elected President on other people's terms.

That's the difference between evaluating politicians as complete ballplayers, vs. evaluating them as pure shooters.

I have no doubt that Obama is at the top of pure shooters.  But complete ballplayers?  Not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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no i think we have a difference of opinion (0.00 / 0)
i think you see this as "obama could do a lot more." and i see it as "in this political climate, it's unlikely that obama could do a lot more."

The cure for both is the same - to push harder - though the tactics that you would use might be somewhat different.


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or another way to put it is (0.00 / 0)
i don't believe in the idea of a heroic politician.  they're just people - albeit with greater agency than most people.  that's also why they suck.

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Polo shirt maybe. (0.00 / 0)
My wife still thinks he's wearing the Che t-shirt and sooner or later he'll let his freak flag fly.

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these people respond to power and threats to it (4.00 / 1)
there is none here unless we mount one.  Here is ETAN's petition and here is where you join their facebook group.

To be honest, though, I want more.  For example, bringing this up at Gaza protests would probably be useful.


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This is true (4.00 / 1)
But after watching Harry Reid totally piss on the DFH "angry leftist" bloggers and petitioners in defending Joe Lieberman, I have real doubts about petitions and such. For some reason, his angry denunciation of Teh Left has stuck in my mind.

I think a lot of those folks rather enjoy thumbing their noses at the "little people", as Leona Helmsley was so fond of calling the rest of society. As Rahm was so quick to point out to the Dem congresscritter who was being criticized in his local press for supporting something his constituents didn't like, "That's good, it makes you look bi-partisan." Yep, there's no ideology in there at all!

As for strategies, I think it really boils down to the realm of information and being able to primary out some of the baddies. As establishment "news" media continues to decline, this creates a vacuum that we're clearly stepping into. The righties are so far behind and so irrational most of the time they really can't compete beyond creating smallish echo chamnbers for themselves. This is a space we can dominate eventually.

The primary thing is tough with respect to the Senate. I'd love to see DiFi primaried out. One can dream, yes?

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Well, Hilda Solis Primaried A Passive Congresscritter To Get Where She Is Now (4.00 / 3)
By the time DiFi's up again she's going to be getting well on in age, and Solis should have herself quite a reputation.  Might not have to do much more than clear her throat.  Specially with a little help from us'ns.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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