The Budget Will Show The Way For 2010 Primary Challenges

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 18:44


Accountability Now has scored some press lately by offering a more systematic approach for running primary challenges against center-right Democrats. The group, of which I am a member but for which I do not speak, has not committed to any targets at this point in time. However, the more I think about possible targets, it has become almost self-evident that the bottom line criteria for credible, progressive primary challenge in 2010 will be a Democratic member of Congress who votes against President Obama's budget in April. Mind you, I don't speak for the group, and there will inevitably be other criteria for a primary challenge. Still, short of a major incident of corruption, a vote against President Obama's budget from the right strikes me as a necessary condition for a credible primary challenge next year.

In the extended entry, I expand upon this thought. But here is the short version:

  1. Mounting a credible primary challenge requires proving that the incumbent is not a good Democrat.
  2. In the current economic and political climate, proving whether someone is a good Democrat means whether or not they support the Democrat who is most popular among other Democrats (President Obama) on the biggest issue of the day (the economy). So, proving you are a good Democrat means whether or not you support President Obama's economic plan.
  3. Due to it's sheer size, whether or not you support President Obama's economic plan means whether or not you support his FY 2010 budget.
More in the extended entry.
Chris Bowers :: The Budget Will Show The Way For 2010 Primary Challenges
Here is why, short of a major incidence of corruption, a Democratic member of Congress probably has to vote against President Obama's April budget in order to face a credible 2010 progressive challenger:

  1. The budget is an all-encompassing vote on Obama's economic plan: The sheer size of the budget, $3.5 trillion, dwarfs any other aspect of the Obama administration's economic agenda. The budget will be more than four times larger than the stimulus package. It will include the major funding for health care. If TARP is further expanded, it will come in the budget process (good luck ever getting more bailout money through Congress otherwise). In short, it will be nearly impossible to make a credible argument that a member of Congress who votes in favor of the budget actually opposes President Obama's economic plan, just as it will be nearly impossible to make a credible argument that a member of Congress who votes against the budget actually supports President Obama's economic plan. This is the vote that will determine, in the mind of the electorate, whether or not a member of Congress favored or opposed President Obama's economic plan.

  2. It won't be possible to primary challenge a Democrat who favors President Obama's economic plan. Given President Obama's enormous popularity among Democrats, barring a major corruption scandal, it will not be possible to mount a successful primary challenge against a Democratic member of Congress who backed President Obama's economic plan. This means, in short, that it will simply not be possible to seriously threaten a Democratic member of Congress with a primary challenge if that Democrat has voted in favor of President Obama's budget. So, from where I sit, it seems that if a Democratic member of Congress wants to avoid a primary challenge in 2010, all they have to do is vote in favor of President Obama's budget.

  3. There is no state or district in the country where even a plurality of Democratic primary voters oppose President Obama's budget. While a Democratic member of Congress can probably ward off a primary challenge by voting for President Obama's budget, any Democratic member of Congress who votes against Obama's budget makes them highly vulnerable to a primary challenge. This is because there isn't a single state or district in the country, no matter how red, were a majority, or a plurality, of Democrats are opposed to President Obama's budget. In the latest Gallup poll on the budget, only 5% of Democrats, and only 25% of Independents, had a negative view of President Obama's budget. This means that opposition to President Obama's budget will put any Democratic member of Congress at odds with the overwhelming majority of primary voters in his or her district on the defining piece of legislation in 2009.
Given all of this, the primary challenges that take place in 2010 will inextricably tied to how a Democratic member of Congress votes on President Obama's budget in April. A vote in favor of the budget makes a progressive primary challenge virtually impossible. A vote against it will make a progressive primary challenge fairly easy, at least as far as primary challenges go. As such, my feeling is that the budget fight will show the way for 2010 primary challenges. It won't be the only requirement for a primary challenge, but it will probably be a necessary condition.

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so that leads to a question (4.00 / 2)
I think your argument is very reasonable here.  Let's say the votes are similar to the final stimulus vote

http://projects.washingtonpost...

DeFazio voted no from the left.  Can any of these other people be challenged?  Heath Shuler?  Is there much point to it?



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


Shluler is on Markos' list... (0.00 / 0)
...his district is way more progressive than he is, so yes!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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What if (4.00 / 1)
a congressperson votes for the budget only after sponsoring and and forcing a compromise on a truly horrible amendment that waters down the progressive intent of the budget. That seems more likely than just voting against the budget. Does that still rate a primary challenge?

ec=-8.50 soc=-8.41   (3,967 Watts)

My guess--probably no challenge. (4.00 / 1)
Once you start talking about amendments most people's eyes glaze over.

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Isn't going to happen. Obama has the powerful hand. (0.00 / 0)
The power of Obama's popularity leads those discussions to fall completely toward Obama. Why would he take out the parts he knows are needed, because saving the economy with progressive policy is necessary. See progressives are the only ones that have seen and spoken accurately, not just morally. All of the cris9is we face are the ones progressives warned about, all the solutions are the ones we have been proscribing.

Obama has realized what Chris Bowers has exposed here, or will within hours (because they are listening), and he knows his hand is the only winning hand at the table. Obama is a handsome man because he has that royal flush.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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The budget isn't the only issue (4.00 / 1)
For 1 thing, it only takes 50 votes in the senate, so if some democrats vote against it, it's not crucial. Ellen Tauscher will probably vote for the budget, but she needs to be primaried for watering down the mortgage legislation, and for being a corporate shill.

makes sense as far as it goes (4.00 / 1)
but you will also need a credible challenger, who is actually more progressive as opposed to telling you what you want to hear.

Non binding (4.00 / 1)
One of the strange things about the budget, though, is it is a non-binding document.  I must admit I'm very confused by what, exactly, the budget document means if it is non-binding (does anyone have a clear understanding?).  

Does it really make sense to use a non-binding vote as the core challenge?


Hmm (0.00 / 0)
I think non-binding means it could be changed if need be... however I think it would need to be changed by congressional vote.  I may be wrong though.

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Change (0.00 / 0)
Technically that is true for every bill.  Anything can be changed with a congressional vote.  "Non-binding" must mean something more than that.

On the other hand, the budget is clearly more important then, say, the Democratic party's platform.  I assume the document is used for something important, like allocating funds to committees and such, but it isn't clear to me.


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Money is allocated (0.00 / 0)
via the different appropriations bills.  

I don't fully understand the relationship between the budget and the appropriation bills either, but I agree with your point.  


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What if? (4.00 / 3)
What if the healthcare down payment is removed?   Shouldn't we go after any Dem who votes yes to removing it even if they vote for the overall bill.

Again aint going to happen (0.00 / 0)
The power of Obama's popularity leads those discussions to fall completely toward Obama. Why would he take out the parts he knows are needed, because saving the economy with progressive policy is necessary. On healthcare even more so. Obama will not, does not need to do anything significant to the health plan. Putting the health money in now is integral to the process of reforming.

Obama has realized what Chris Bowers has exposed here, or will within hours (because they are listening), and he knows his hand is the only winning hand at the table. Obama is a handsome man because he has that royal flush.

I posted this up above too its slightly tangential so ignore it youve read above:

See progressives are the only ones that have seen and spoken accurately, not just morally. All of the crisis we face are the ones progressives warned about, all the solutions are the ones we have been proscribing.


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Evan Bayh (4.00 / 4)
I am looking at you.

I may not be still living in Indiana in 2010, but I sure will support a challenger if he follows through on that ridiculous Op-ed.  


Dukakis Up 17% On Labor Day! Sitting VP Has (0.00 / 0)
Never Won the white house since magna carta! losing New Hampshire = not winning white house ...!!!

c'mon chris. it is a little early to be calling dow 30,000... ooops. I mean what will be the determinant for challenging these political sell outs who should have been fired decades ago.

rmm.  

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


On Point 3: (0.00 / 0)
Accepting your empirical finding, could a minority of Democrats, combined with Independents and Republicans translate into a majority or near-majority of voters in a district opposing the budget? If so, then I could see a Democrat still voting against it for political cover.

Also - some others have noted this, but I agree that it's too soon to tell at this point how the final budget will look. For that reason (among others), it's really too soon to know how Democratic voters will feel about the budget.

I do like the idea of a progressive candidates organization. Good luck.


I cannot imagine (4.00 / 2)
running a primary against any Democrat who voted for both the Stimulus package and Health Care Reform.

In fact, I guess my main reaction is that the coming Health Care fight would be the real bright line, and not the budget vote.  


It has been raised before But FDR has a cadre of New Deal Democrats (0.00 / 0)
They were wildly popular in the elections following Roosevelt's first victory. They had the same or similar problems with dog Democrats thjen as well.

It would be fantastic if we had a descriptor for progressive dems that fit this situation too. Obama Democrats may end being the default, but it has a little of the dear leader that doesn't ring right. And cant be used post Obama's eight years as an analysis, education and organizing meme.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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