Third Parties And Institutional Power

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:00



Theocon institutional leaders disapprove of Giuliani:

Alarmed at the chance that the Republican party might pick Rudolph Giuliani as its presidential nominee despite his support for abortion rights, a coalition of influential Christian conservatives is threatening to back a third-party candidate in an attempt to stop him.

The group making the threat, which came together Saturday in Salt Lake City during a break-away gathering during a meeting of the secretive Council for National Policy, includes Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who is perhaps the most influential of the group, as well as Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, the direct mail pioneer Richard Viguerie and dozens of other politically-oriented conservative Christians, participants said. Almost everyone present expressed support for a written resolution that "if the Republican Party nominates a pro-abortion candidate we will consider running a third party candidate."

The participants spoke on condition of anonymity because the both the Council for National Policy and the smaller meeting were secret, but they said members of the intend to publicize its resolution. These participants said the group chose the qualified term "consider" because they have not yet identified an alternative third party candidate, but the group was largely united in its plans to bolt the party if Mr. Giuliani became the candidate.

For a few different reasons, this made me think of the Iron Law Of Institutions (emphasis in original):

The Iron Law of Institutions is: the people who control institutions care first and foremost about their power within the institution rather than the power of the institution itself. Thus, they would rather the institution "fail" while they remain in power within the institution than for the institution to "succeed" if that requires them to lose power within the institution.

Now, I don't think that there are any iron laws governing human behavior, but I do think that this is generally a useful guide to American politics. In the context of the threatened thecon bolt from the Republican Party should Giuliani become the nominee, it brought to mind the following thoughts:

  1. Conservatives of all stripes have frequently made threats of this nature, but outside of the various Dixiecrat candidacies during the third quarter of the 20th century, there has never been a major third-party conservative challenge for the Presidency, ever. As such, until a break actually happens, I consider all of these threats to be attempts to leverage social conservative power within the Republican coalition, rather than serious moves to at least temporarily break with that coalition on a national level. Since the civil war, American politics has generally catered to conservatives, albeit with fits and starts surrounding Teddy Roosevelt, women's suffrage, the 1930's, and the early and mid-1960's. Conservatives also have a tendency to fall in line.

  2. In the unlikely, but not impossible, event of an eventual break with the Republican coalition in the Presidential election, it will be primarily because Dobson et all believe both that their own power at the head of these social conservative institutions are endangered by the support of a (now only semi-) pro-choice nominee like Giulian. In that scenario, they will bank upon either the institutions of the conservative movement being powerful enough to temporarily thrive on their own without the institution of the Republican Party, or that the Republican Party will fare so poorly without them that it will beg for their return on bended knee. It would, in a sense, be a strike against the Republican Party. It would be a withdrawal of support and labor until either a new covenant was forged with the larger coalition that would be more preferable to social conservatives, or until the collapse of the power of the social conservative institutions conducting the strike. While conservatives never tried this before, Progressives utterly failed to show this strength in the splits of 1948 and 2000, and thus ended up in a worse position in the party than before the strike. It would certainly be interesting to see if the institutions of the conservative movement really are so developed that they would be able to force a different outcome. A successful outcome for any suck strike requires, at a minimum, garnering a high vote percentage ala LaFollette in 1924 (16.61%) or Ross Perot in 1992 (18.90%). A small total, say 2-4%, simply won't do the trick. In fact, such a low total would greatly lower your strength within the coalition upon your inevitable return, since you have demonstrated that you do not have the ability to generate significant votes. As such, not only would I cheer for a social conservative split, but I would also cheer for a low social conservative vote total in the general election. Such an outcome would set back the relative power of social conservatives in American politics at least a decade. We could defeat Republicans and the conservative movement at the same time.

  3. Thinking back over the past decade and applying this line of thought to the major progressive electoral challenges, it seems pretty obvious now that centrist Democratic elites are far, far more threatened by attempted progressive take-overs of the Democratic Party than they are by progressive threats of third party splits. There was tremendous elite hysteria over Nader in 2000, Dean in 2004, and Lamont in 2006, but the nature and outcomes of that hysteria was different. First, Nader in no way threatened the power of Democratic leaders within the Democratic Party, and only threatened the power of the Democratic coalition relative to the Republican coalition. This is probably why there was as much, if not more, Democratic activist anger at Nader and his supporters than there was elite Democratic attacks against him. Further, unlike the Nader 2000 campaign, the Dean and Lamont campaigns were supported by significant institutional power, including large unions, the blogosphere and MoveOn.org. In other words, the Dean and Lamont campaigns scared many Democratic elites way, way more than the Nader campaign, because they represented large institutional forces making a serious bid for control of the institution of the Democratic Party itself. By comparison, a generally non-institutional campaign that threatens only to tip the balance of power between the two major coalitions is not nearly as serious a long-term concern, especially when it can only muster less than 3% of the popular vote. Both in polls before their elections and on Election Day itself, Dean and Lamont scored a lot more than 3%.

Power-hunger elites, like management, only care about the loss of your support when that loss threatens their own power. I don't know how accurate my thinking is here, and I know I need to flesh this out more. Still, looking at politics from the perspective of institutional power certainly seems to hold some promise for progressives.

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Great post, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
I really like your thinking here, and think you (and we) ought to really dig in and explore more deeply where it takes us.

Even a successful strike may fail long-term (0.00 / 0)
You give Nader as an example of an unsuccessful 'strike'. I think the picture here is more complex, largely because of the anger of activists, many of them progressives, who remained within the fold (the scabs, in this analogy.)

However, even within states where there was a certain winner before the election and voting for Nader carried no real guilt, the relative though not immense success of the Greens (Nader got around 10% in Alaska) doesn't seem to have enable progressives to increase their victory.

Because the problem is this: no matter how many votes you raise, in the electoral college a third party candidate will almost always be acting as a spoiler, making it impossible for one of the candidates to win. Unless those who break from the institution do not even in the slightest regard it as at worst the lesser of two evils, or unless they are able to effectively take over the role of the old institution, they have to return to the fold and are less able to dictate terms.

That said, the Republican Party follows its knuckle-draggers much more closely, so whereas Democratic elites almost didn't know whether Bush or Lamont was worse, Republican leaders wouldn't impose punitive terms upon returning splitters from the right, since on the abortion issue they're basically in agreement.

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I think a successful strike (0.00 / 0)
in this analogy is one that forces the Democratic party to the negotiating table and gets progressives better working conditions and what not, rather than one that ends up with an independent Green party.

In any case, lots of scabs pretty much guarantees an unsuccessful strike, and unsuccessful strikes weaken our position, which is why that Nader strike should have never been authorized. ;)


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Yes, that is it (4.00 / 1)
There is no viable, long-term third party possible under our current electoral system. The most successful third party challenges force the two coalitions to the bargaining table to give the third party supporters a good deal after an election or two. That is why I use the strike analogy. The goal of the strike isn't for the workers (the third party supporters) to start their own factory (the major party)--the goal is to get a better deal within the factory (the major party).

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There is an example of this type of movement that I'm suprised you don't cite: (0.00 / 0)
The Populist party of the late 1800s.  They threatened the Democratic coalition to the point that the Democrats were forced to the bargaining table, and at least incorporated their one major demand in the party platform, and both parties ended up nominating the same Presidential candidate in 1896.

It's not as simple as that obviously, but it's the beginning of something like that.

And also, wouldn't a purely regional party be viable under the long term?  I've been baffled that the Libertarians don't start targeting the northeast super-heavily, and try to simply replace the Republicans there, rather than attempt to run a national campaign every election cycle. 


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That is also why (0.00 / 0)
That said, the Republican Party follows its knuckle-draggers much more closely, so whereas Democratic elites almost didn't know whether Bush or Lamont was worse, Republican leaders wouldn't impose punitive terms upon returning splitters from the right, since on the abortion issue they're basically in agreement.

That is also why I doubt a split. Giuliani is having a mild resurgence right now, but I still find it very unlikely that he will win the nomination. And when he doesn't, there won't be any split threat at all.

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Giuliani is the only Republican (0.00 / 0)
who can make the race competitive next November and the GOP Money Boyz know it.

Also he has the money, brains, and organization to win the GOP primaries.

Romney's relentless salesmanship might put him over in IA and NH but he's toast in the rest of the primaries.

From SC on it's Giuliani v. Thompson, and Thompson just doesn't have the charisma or brains to carry the big states like FL.

Thompson probably has an edge in SC because he's a Protestant, but FL could be decisive for Giuliani with its large population of older, more conservative New Yorkers, both Catholic and Jewish.


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To keep Dobson in the GOP (0.00 / 0)
Giuliani only has to pick Huckabee as Veep in charge of all "social issues."

Giuliani will keep "foreign policy" (God help us all) and "economic policy" (i.e. taxes) because Grover Norquist despises Huckabee's tax increases.

See how easy it is to keep the GOP "small tent" happy? If only it was as easy to keep the Democratic "big tent" happy...


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This is great. (0.00 / 0)
A few additional thoughts on intra-party politics:

I think this lens is useful for understanding why Rahm et al support conservative Democrats/withhold support from progressive Democrats. It strengthens their position within the coalition. No surprise there.

It also explains why we see politicians we thought were progressives become centrists in Washington. They improve their own positions within the coalition by aligning with the centrist part of the coalition. Again, not really surprising.

What's more interesting to me is the idea that large parts of the progressive movement are basically already out on a wildcat strike - unmarried women and African Americans, for example. Unfortunately they've been gone so long no one really knows much power they can leverage (or not leverage). So we have to cut some deals to get them back.


there are other institutions (0.00 / 0)
The Democratic Party in DC isn't the only institution where some of the Dems are looking for power. They also seek power within the media, corporate PACs, and the working conservative majority, for example. These overlapping institutions can also breed centrists, just as much as Rahm can.

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

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Agree 100%. I was just trying out (0.00 / 0)
the intra-party dynamics lens.

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Not just that (4.00 / 1)
You have to get them back, but then to leverage their power they need to be organised, since their disappearance in their ones and twos when their concerns are neglected would not be noticeable enough to force a rearrangement of power within the coalition.

This is also a good reason, now I come to think of it, why the threat of a religious right third party is much more effective than the threat of a progressive third party - progressives simply don't have the organisational backbone to run a campaign entirely separate of the Democratic Party, whilst much of the Republican campaign apparatus is actually borrowed from the theocons.

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Exactly. (0.00 / 0)
We have a lot of work to do before we could pull off something like James Dobson is talking about.

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Sources of Leverage (4.00 / 2)
Leverage is not the same as power, and under asymetrical power circumstances, the less powerful party can in fact have more leverage.  Witness the anti-American forces in Iraq:  they have more leverage the more united tyhey are, and cheap IED's are bringing raising the costs of staying for the powerful occupying force.  They need only to disrupt and resist to force an ultimate capitulation, inevitably.

So, our current sources or leverage are:

1)  media and buzz:  no one likes bad press, or to be a netroots demon.  All establishment politicians like good PR and try to control their images, compulsively.

2)  small market and local campaigns:  this is an underexploited but growing area.  The more we have control of the "farm system" for the next generation of establishment players, the more we will gain longer term institutional influence and power.  Local races and, to a lessar extent, congressional races, are cheaper, particularly in smaller media markets.

3)  activist energy:  we can help shape and influence much activist energy.  Activists can use new media tools to operate on the level of point number 1 above, both to hurt establishment opponents within the party and to reward good acts by our own candidates.  Activists have relatively more power in the farm system of the party where boots on the ground and street credibility has a greater relative value as compared against campaign money for big media buys.

These sources of "insurgent" leverage are not big guns or game changers, and they rely on an incremental, cumulative effect over several election cycles. 

One of the principle ways the establishment is fighting against us now is to make us feel powerless and hopeless, hoping we will go away or quit.  This, in my view, is why the Bush Dogs are pushing the caucus to play "opposite day" every day in Washington, whereby the congress almost makes a point of pissing us off or ignoring us on a daily basis.  This is a demoralization strategy, a psychological game.  It has come about because, in fact and ironically, our power and our persistent efforts are already bearing fruit, and we are beginning to be feared.

So, of course we should run targeted primaries, but we should also continue to do the things we are already doing well, and to highlight and publicize the strategies ("opposite day") the Emanuel's and Hoyer's of the world are currently pursuing against us.  When someone works that hard to make you feel irrelevant, to "ignore" you, it's a pretty sure sign you're getting under their skin.

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This Gets At Why I Think We Need A Battleground District Strategy (0.00 / 0)
one that focuses on bringing pressure to bear on Dems holding office, and supports progressive candidates challenging Republicans, and that uses nationally-comissioned polls released through local coalitions to garner media attention below the radar of the national political media.

The basic idea is that this is something a bit more modest than trying to organize everywhere at once, but a good deal more ambitious than simply focusing all our attention into a small handful of primary challenges.  It would work to create leverage in all of the most contestable House districts--an excellent place to bring power to bear. And it need not detract much from primary challenge efforts, since its major impact would be reorganzing the sort of activism engaged in by groups in battleground districts, most of which would not be engaged in such efforts anyway.  (Plus, it could prove useful where such efforts are underway.)

It would take some national online money to do the polls, but like all innovative activism, it would have the potential to increase the total amount of money contributed overall, rather than simply competing with other efforts.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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what exactly (0.00 / 0)
do you want to ask in the polls?

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Several Sorts of Questions (0.00 / 0)
For example:

(1) Questions that will show progressive attitudes--such as how many people want us out of Iraq, already.

(2) Questions that will show how little support there is for certain conservative ideas--such as restricting birth control.

(3) Questions that expose disinformation, misinformation and lack of information--such as how many Iraqi civilians have died from the war.

Also, questions that test different ways of framing issues.

I have some other ideas as well, and I'm sure others do, too.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Make it a viable threat (0.00 / 0)
From your post:

"Thinking back over the past decade and applying this line of thought to the major progressive electoral challenges, it seems pretty obvious now that centrist Democratic elites are far, far more threatened by attempted progressive take-overs of the Democratic Party than they are by progressive threats of third party splits."

I completely agree. Given that the current system favors only two parties, and alternative party approach is hamstrung from the get-go.  Were it not so, the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party (or Progressive Party, if you will) would have more options available to them in the quest to gain more political power in the USA.  (I am correct in assuming that you would like more political power for progressives, right?) Change the system.  Break the Two Party Stranglehold.

A clearer case than that you present here for including explicit measures to break the two party hold on political power in this nation has not been made. It is not an either/or situation.  You can have your progressive wave and a more open system.  In fact, I would contend that opening the system by actively supporting Instant Run-off Voting (for example)would better serve your progressive movement in the long run, as it would provide more avenues by which to confront and fight your chosen political opponents.

The corrupting influence of the Two Party limitation is, in my opinion, a major part of why the ideals expressed in a campaign can be so easily disgarded by the newly elected.  And why the approach of blaming one's political opponents with the very misdeeds committed by oneself can be very successful. In the worst case, either of the two major parties does not need any coherent idea or plan of their own - all they need is to place all blame for failure on the other party and loyalty will see them through.  A luxury that is only afforded by our stunted political arena.



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IRV (0.00 / 0)
Because what we really need is a system where it takes more time to vote and counting the vote is more complicated. Just so Green voters can basically vote twice (once with feeling, the second time to be counted). Here's the reality - anything that makes the voting process more time consuming for individual voters is bad for progressives, who tend to live in densely populated areas with poorly run election operations. Long lines suppress the vote. I have little patience for the self-indulgent dreams of IRV promoters, having worked the polls and seen the barriers people encounter trying to vote just once.

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Fine (0.00 / 0)
Please cite any other idea put forward on these pages that will not require more preparation on the part of the US voter.

Perhaps people don't consider waiting to vote to be time well-spent because they don't feel as though their vote really "count" anyway.  Maybe if they felt as though their vote was actually important - and treated with respect (as IRV will do), they might nor be so easily dissuaded from the polls.


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From my experience in the church, (0.00 / 0)
I can add a quick caveat to your law about institutions and their leaders. When leaders are more committed to the mission of the institution than the institution itself, they can and often do sacrifice their personal power to accomplish that mission. The implication is that there are some folks who would choose to bolt whether or not it's in their global best interest, for the sake of "purity."

Whether Dobson, Perkins, Bauer and the rest of the CNP creeps are more committed to mission than they are to personal power is certainly debatable. But my guess is that if conservative Christians leave the GOP, they'll be led by the next generation of leaders, who are made up heavily of local evangelical pastors. They're the ones who understand living your values, and damn the cost.


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A Notable Exception (0.00 / 0)
The Iron Law of Institutions is: the people who control institutions care first and foremost about their power within the institution rather than the power of the institution itself. Thus, they would rather the institution "fail" while they remain in power within the institution than for the institution to "succeed" if that requires them to lose power within the institution.

It's worth noting that Tim Carmichael recently stepped down as President and CEO of the Coalition for Clean Air--arguably the single most important non-profit advocacy group in California focused specifically on air pollution.  After 8 1/2 years in the top job, he returned to his role as their top policy person, which was always where his heart was.  They brought in a new leader, Alberto B. Mendoza, who has a considerable record nonprofit experience, including impressive instutition building record as Southern California regional director of Drug Policy Alliance (DPA), but no specific experience in the environmental arena (although he has extensive experience in public health).

There may, of course, be a whole nother story here that I know nothing about.  But it does appear to be one of those rare examples of the exception that proves the rule.  Some folks who really love what they do are not most motivated by internal power positions.  They are just way too few and far between.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


This helps explain the beltway Dems' behavior (0.00 / 0)
  The Democrats in Congress and their consultant corps are constantly claiming that we can't get too aggressive on Iraq (or other issues) lest we alienate the mythical "center", and that trying to proactively end the war will jeopardize the Dems' electoral position next year. They offer no semblance of proof or polling data to back up their claims, while there's plenty of evidence to suggest the opposite -- Congress' exceedingly low approval ratings (particularly among independents), the simple fact that the voters chose Democrats last year for a REASON, and the clear majorities among Democrats and independents favoring an end to the Iraq killing.

  It recently dawned on me that the beltway Dems MUST know this -- they might be many things, but few of them are outright stupid -- but that they're really not all that interested in a broad, sweeping victory and an impregnable majority after 2008. These are the possible scenarios post-November 2008:

  1. A Democrat in the White House, and large, filibuster-proof, across-the-board Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress.

  2. A Democrat in the White House, and narrow, paper-tiger Democratic majorities in Congress (just like today).

  3. A Republican in the White House and Republican majorities in both houses.

  I think it's exceedingly unlikely that we'll have a Republican White House and a Dem Congress after next year. If the Republicans win next year it'll be due to a massive Dem collapse, and that will carry over to the Hill. Anyway...

  Those of us here would most like to see Scenario #1, obviously. But I think it's likely that the Beltway Dems would much prefer Scenario #2, because that maximizes their power within Washington. Scenario #1 would heavily dilute the blue dogs' power, because the new crop of Dems will invariably include a good number of progressives. That's good for us and good for America, but bad for the Carvilles and the Hoyers.

  And I'll go one step further and argue that the beltway Dems would even prefer Scenario #3 to Scenario #1. The conservative structure, and their role within it, would remain firmly in place.

  So what I'm seeing with the beltway Dems' utter capitulation on Iraq is an attempt to engineer a narrow Dem electoral victory in 2008. They're trying to find a sweet spot in which Hillary wins, but not by a whole lot, and not with a lot of coattails. Screws the country and the party, but it keeps them in their power sinecures.

  And if the gamble fails, the fallback position is a Republican government all across the board, which didn't bother the beltway Dems too much from 2001-2006. What they don't want is a dilution of their power -- and that's what a broad Dem victory in 2008 would do to them.

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it could also be (0.00 / 0)
a simple matter of corruption and war profiteering:
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The PMA Group, headed by a former aide to Rep. John Murtha (D-PA), have long had a simple system. Clients pump hundreds of thousands into his campaign committee, and Rep. Murtha uses his legendary porkbarreling skills to ensure PMA's clients get their millions. It worked fine while Murtha was still in the minority, and it's working great now.

Roll Call totaled (sub. req.) up the damage last month:

-- Murtha's defense appropriations subcommittee recently passed its 2008 bill. PMA clients came away with 36 earmarks -- one-third of the total projects in the bill -- worth a total of $100.5 million.

-- The three lawmakers on Murtha's committee responsible for earmarking that money -- Reps. Murtha, Jim Moran (D-VA) and Pete Visclosky (D-IN) -- are getting the expected support from PMA clients, who donated $542,350 in the first six months of this year, or 26 percent of the trio's total fundraising. Everybody's back got scratched.


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