People Shouldn't Serve Inanimate Objects, Abstractions

by: Natasha Chart

Mon Mar 29, 2010 at 06:00


Movies like Cast Away and I Am Legend derive most of their effective suspense from a dilemma no one would ever want to face: what it would mean to be, as far as you knew, completely alone in the world. So alone that you had to rely on dolls to preserve a thin illusion of companionship and remain invested in waking up every day.

Among elderly individuals, the medical profession has known for 150 years that the death of a spouse creates a significant mortality risk for the surviving spouse. Chances are that when most people are in their 80s or 90s, their spouse is one of only a handful of people left, if not the only person left, with whom they felt a strong peer relationship.

As I've highlighted before, and will again, solitary confinement in prison can drive people permanently insane, such that we can infer the company of other criminals and prison guards to be healthier than being alone all the time.

Yet as evidence mounts that it's our connections to other people that give our lives meaning, keep us healthy, keep us sound in mind and body, we find ourselves having to constantly struggle against institutions dedicated to the glorification of objects, abstractions and anthropomorphized Jungian archetypes over real human beings and their needs.

The ongoing pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church is merely a symptom of this collective, self-abasing masochism people seem prone to. Particularly, that seen among segments of society that enshrine pre-teen gross out reactions to sex, a very normal part of adult human life, as some sort of binding moral arbiter.

Natasha Chart :: People Shouldn't Serve Inanimate Objects, Abstractions
Maureen Dowd asserted yesterday that the Catholic Church could fix what ails it by appointing a female Pope. I suppose the occasional pronouncement like this is why she's regarded in some circles as a feminist. She says:

... If the church could throw open its stained glass windows and let in some air, invite women to be priests, nuns to be more emancipated and priests to marry, if it could banish criminal priests and end the sordid culture of men protecting men who attack children, it might survive. It could be an encouraging sign of humility and repentance, a surrender of arrogance, both moving and meaningful.

Cardinal Ratzinger devoted his Vatican career to rooting out any hint of what he considered deviance. The problem is, he was obsessed with enforcing doctrinal orthodoxy and somehow missed the graver danger to the most vulnerable members of the flock.

The sin-crazed "Rottweiler" was so consumed with sexual mores - issuing constant instructions on chastity, contraception, abortion - that he didn't make time for curbing sexual abuse by priests who were supposed to pray with, not prey on, their young charges. ...

Thing is, there's no essential conflict there. Let me fix that last sentence for her:

... The [woman-fearing] "Rottweiler" was so consumed with [female] sexual mores - issuing constant instructions on chastity, contraception, abortion - that he didn't make time for curbing sexual abuse by [male] priests who were supposed to pray with, not prey on, [the children they seem to believe would stop coming if women weren't forced by men to have them.] ...

The Catholic Church is built around a cosmology that sees women as untrustworthy, permanently juvenile, unclean, more than usually prone to evil and just, at base, gross. Other Christian denominations may have moved on from this view to varying degrees, but it's a cornerstone of Catholic dogma to the point where only a man who renounces all sexual contact with women is considered pure enough to commune with God on behalf of the faithful.

Not that they approve of sexual contact with men for priests, either. But mainly, it would seem, because it makes at least one of the men have to act 'like a woman', which is degrading to the crown jewel of God's creation. Many Christian sects that have lost certainty about women being innately repulsive still haven't gotten over this one, either, because they still see women as overgrown children that it's nonetheless okay to screw, and so still can't understand why a man would want to degrade himself by taking up any part of the female sex role.

Lesbian sex is just a mystery in this worldview: if there aren't any penises involved, how can there be any sex happening? Lesbian relationships therefore seem to elicit reactions more in line with etiquette failures than sexual transgressions.

But I digress just a little.

For the statistical majority of men who are heterosexual, what does it mean to have it constantly at least implied that the people whose closest companionship they desire, women, are gross, inferior, evil and childish? I mean, what's wrong with them that they'd be interested in such people? But interested, they generally remain, even if it must be justified to themselves by acting out with expressions of disdain, mockery and contempt.

This toxic stew of inhumane attitudes is the foundation of a rape culture that demonizes companionate sexuality, explained neatly by Amanda Marcotte:

... That there's a bunch of rapist priests in the Catholic church and the Pope was involved in the cover-up should not be surprising.  The Catholic church is the classic example of what feminists like me like to call "rape culture".  Rape culture crops up when male power over women and children is exalted, when sexuality is demonized, and when men are encouraged to think of women (and children's) bodies as their property.  All these aspects of patriarchy aren't only part of the Catholic church, they're celebrated.  The exuberant love of male dominance that is the Catholic dogma is going to turn men into rapists who get a rise out of sexually dominated people they believe are lesser than them.

... In a rape culture, women are assumed to be public property. Rape culture never officially condones rape, but it condones the attitude that women exist to please men, and refusal from women to do so is bitchy.  Secular rape culture is Nice [Guys]® talking about women's sexuality as something that's handed out as a reward for good behavior.  Rape culture is men thinking they have a standing right to interrupt what women are doing and hit on them, and that women who reject them straightforwardly are bitches.  Rape culture is men telling strange women on the street to smile.

... The Catholic church also teaches that women exist to serve men and do not have the right to say no.  A sexually active woman has no right to say no to any sperm that decide to set up shop in her uterus.  Catholic women are taught their bodies and their sexualities don't belong to them, but that these things exist solely to produce more and more babies.  You not only are assumed to have a standing invitation to baby-making if you're sexually active, but they don't even give you the slim technical right to say no that secular rape culture gives you.  But really, the main difference between the two versions of rape culture is that the secular one believes that women have to take all comers, penis-wise, and the Catholic one believes this about sperm. ...

Marcotte gives a fuller explanation in the rest of the article as to why the reaction to a rape within a rape culture is to protect the hierarchy rather than punish the rape.

Regardless of the identity of the victim, rape is an entirely predictable result of telling men that the sex impulse makes them unclean, that the adult human beings they'd like to share it with are disgusting and, simultaneously, that sexual contact can be a victory conferring the gift of 'real' womanhood and the state of motherhood that alone is capable of cleansing women's filthy souls. It's as if the Church believes that women are born possessed and their demons must be overcome through childbearing.

Most men who are fed this ridiculous nonsense, to their credit, do their best to act like decent human beings anyway. Even when they don't have very good role models. Even if they may have a distressing tendency to regard sex with a woman as some kind of humiliating defeat for her, rather than as a mutually pleasurable activity she should expect to enjoy.

The doctrinal view of women held forth by the Vatican, and increasingly by the US Council of Catholic Bishops, as political organizations, creates misery everywhere that it's held dear. And their view of women as unclean children isn't an incongruous side note to their acceptance of child rape, but the reason for it.

Often, when religious beliefs are put forward into the political realm, the expectation is that this will accord them a special, protected status out of respect for the institutions that carry them forward. Yet the well-being of people must take precedence over the well-being of beliefs and institutions if we are to have a just society. So particularly because our government has demonstrated a new interest in making these doctrines matters of law, I say the gloves must be off in talking about the effect of misogynist social rules on real people.

You're never going to meet a happy heterosexual couple where the man acts at every moment as if he believed it were literally true that his partner were a stupid, irresponsible child, whose physical body is both gross and entirely his property. Any nation where this attitude is a widespread social norm is going to be, in direct proportion to the extent that this belief is acted upon, an incredibly sh*tty place to live for the vast majority of its people.

To the extent that both partners are happy with a relationship, they've come to an agreement to treat each other with respect mutually accorded among adults. To the extent that a society is a good place to live for the greatest numbers of people, it treats women as people, as adults, as the sole proprietors of their very own bodies. Which is to say that wherever people are happiest, best off and most warmly connected to each other, they have abandoned the practice of abhorring half the human race.

Human beings, human societies, can't fully thrive under the full force of the Catholic Church's teachings about sexuality and gender, teachings that have common parallel among authoritarian societies around the world. Men, in particular, seem to be driven insane by it, tortured to the breaking point where they begin to rationalize ridiculously anti-social behavior. Child rape is, after all, even regarded as the worst possible crime among prison inmates, but somehow the broken human beings currently running and apologizing for the Catholic Church are too damaged to understand why everyone is so upset that no one called the police.

If there really is an original sin, I suspect that it was fetishizing objects and abstractions, what Robert Anton Wilson called the 'spooks in our heads', ahead of human beings, which always leads to the denigration and objectification of living people. Which objectification always decreases the quality of our relationships to each other, which is bound to make us a little more crazy, and our lives at least a little worse, every day.

And it doesn't really matter what sort of objectifying belief we're talking about. It doesn't have to be misogynist religious dogma saying that subjecting women to humiliation, discrimination and loss of authority over their own lives doesn't count. It could be free market dogma saying that illness, starvation and grinding poverty doesn't matter, maybe especially if the sick, poor people are morally suspect or ethnically distinct from you. It could be homophobic religious dogma saying that the cultivated revulsion of distant strangers is more important than the love and mutual support of people who know each other well. No ideology deserves to be upheld in the face of causing widespread human suffering.

There is no virtue, no love, to be found at the end of denying anyone's humanity for the sake of the unreal, the non-corporeal. There's only misery, spite and isolation, which are all very bad for people.  


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This is fabulously beautifull! (4.00 / 2)
Its like a shower of sanity. I have worked in a field where a shower at the end of the day, a shower hot and torrential, was necessary at the end of the day, because of the people I'd spent the day with.

This post is like that.

Make it sticky for a week. Keep it at the top of page. It may not be the subject many search out, it might scare a few but it needs reading.

Just look at it. Great stuff.


The ongoing pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church is merely a symptom of this collective, self-abasing masochism people seem prone to. Particularly, that seen among segments of society that enshrine pre-teen gross out reactions to sex, a very normal part of adult human life, as some sort of binding moral arbiter.


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Great post! (0.00 / 0)
Anyone who thinks your line of reasoning here is extreme, should take a few hours to actually read the bible. It's all in there, clear as day. The men who wrote it (or rewrote it) were probaby abnormally hostile toward women  even in the context of bronze age culture.

ec=-8.50 soc=-8.41   (3,967 Watts)

As Paul Rosenberg has pointed out, the Bible itself does not support (0.00 / 0)
the conclusion that a fetus be considered a life.  

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Can I Disagree? (4.00 / 1)
I hesitate to wade in mostly because people believe what they believe. But I find much of your description of the Catholic Church and its ideas and motives to be less than accurate.

Let's start with what we agree on. In this country at least, reasonable people agree that while public debate can and should be informed by the beliefs of people (including religious beliefs), actual policy cannot be a slave to one belief system or another. People like Stupak clearly cross that line. It's ironic, of course, that in societies with strong birth control policies, including abortions, the number of abortions drop (what people like Stupak want) while countries with poor birth birth control policies have higher abortion rates (us). But for Stupak and his ilk, reason is not the issue. Maybe they need to feel important, to feel they're fighting good against evil.

However, to jump from this generally agreed on idea to your description of the Catholic Church is off base. Yes, there are misogynists in the Catholic Church, indeed any church, indeed in any society. Some men are jerks. But the Catholic Church as a religion, as an expression of human needs and fears, like any religion, that is a very different beast. You may (and can and should) disagree with parts or all of what the Catholic Church believes, but it is wrong to say that Church teaching says women are evil (it has through pronouncements by its human officials, in different ways, but to my knowledge that's never been the historical underlying view of women in Christianity and the Catholic Church). Catholics and Christians would say women bring different gifts to the world, a different point of view, that is a welcome and vital part of life and their religion. That's a far cry from fomenting a rape culture.

Or take two Catholic ideas: celibacy and birth control. Celibacy is not about communing with God, a selfish act that puts oneself above others. It's about sacrificing a key part of one's life and humanity to better and more directly serve others. Of course, being human, that ideal is extremely difficult and maybe impossible to do. And the Catholic Church's views on birth control, as I understand it, simply says that people should engage in sex only if they're willing to accept that babies may result from their actions. There are many reasons a secular society might reject that view. But some people would say that's a refreshing way to view sexuality, to not mask or hide one of its potentials but to embrace it as the sole reason to have sex. As a practical matter, however, that belief doesn't really apply to a lot of people, does it?

There also is sometimes a vast difference between what a religious hierarchy says and what its believers actually practice. And between what the hierarchy says and what it does. The facts are fairly complex and they change over time to reflect current thinking and the personalities of the people involved.

In the case of the Catholic Church, the backlash against a humanistic reading of the New Testament (e.g. Vatican II) has resulted in two conservative popes. Just as the backlash against Civil Rights (driven in large part by white racial fears) resulted in a conservative era. That doesn't mean practicing Catholics (or Americans) believe 100% in the official religious (or political) ideology. Quite the opposite. My experience is that most Catholics adhere to a humanistic view of Catholic teachings with the understanding that people often fail to live up to any ideology. Aspiring and trying to be better is the key, not actually achieving perfection. And the attitude towards priests, especially for women believers, is often to take the priests with a grain of salt, to engage them as equals. You should not confuse the private space with the public space, in other words.

I lack the historical and Catholic chops to completely break up your argument into useful bits for discussion. But I do think you confuse the statements of the Catholic Church, for example, for the beliefs and day to day actions of its practitioners. There is a lot wrong with applying Catholic beliefs (like celibacy) to flesh and blood human beings, but it is inaccurate to extrapolate from that to a rape culture. Describing a rape culture is a useful way to filter what we see from the Catholic Church, thank you for that, but it cannot be the sole explanation. More likely the Catholic Church is an old boy's club that let in a lot of priests who were (are?) rapists and then acted to protect their own instead of protecting their parishioners.

Sorry my counter argument is a mess. My point is simply that the situation is more complex than you or I can begin to describe. I've simply tried to bring out some of the distinctions (Church officials versus believers, for example, and the old boys club aspect) that might be useful for discussion. Perhaps I also should state that I'm a lapsed Catholic, ex-Jesuit, and that I don't practice my religion in part because of Church views about homosexuality. I have family and friends born gay who have every right to participate in their Catholic religion. I choose not to be part of a church that dehumanizes them in theory and/or practice. But my family and Catholic friends embrace gay people so I know, first hand, the difference between what is said and what is done.

At the least, thank you for an interesting post.


While the role of misogyny in the original problem (0.00 / 0)
of the celibacy requirement really f'ing up a sizable minority of priests is significant, the role of greed also deserves mention.  I have read before that the celibacy requirement also has roots in the church not having its holdings diminished by children and widows getting allowances or inheritences of church property or money upon the death of priests.  I also think the current coverup frankly has less to do with misogyny and more to do again with preservation of church property, panic that parishoners would leave the church (again needing that weekly tithing), and institutional arrogance.


John McCain won't insure children

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I think the effects matter more than the reasons (4.00 / 1)
If you inform a group of people that they can't assume any significant leadership role in your organization, isn't that discrimination against those people, regardless of the religious argument?

Similarly, with Celibacy, the point is more the type of people that enter and stay in the priesthood, not the theological (or historical) logic behind it.

With Birth Control, does it matter that there are many texts of theological arguments behind their position when the effects end up being increasing birth rates (particularly in poor countries), and increasing STD rates?

I'll note that my familiarity with Vatican II is limited, but if that's viewed as a "humanistic" reading, I guess I don't want to know what their prior reading was.

In any case, I think that The Elders' position is correct, if more limited than I'd prefer. Any religious organization that dis-empowers some of its own members based on pretty much any grouping isn't one worth following. I'll look at Roman Catholicism again the day after they elect an openly  lesbian Pope.

P.S.: I'd like to applaud the main article. While I disagree with minor aspects of it, and think that the main thesis needs more fleshing out, it's one of the best posts I've read on this site for some time.


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We may in part be agreeing past each other (4.00 / 1)
You said, and I'm taking this out of order, but bear with me, please:

... There also is sometimes a vast difference between what a religious hierarchy says and what its believers actually practice. And between what the hierarchy says and what it does. ...

Well, yes. That's what I was trying to get at with noting that people are happy in proportion to the extent that they ignore what's actually being said and instead act humanely and with respect towards each other.

But if the harm caused by a belief system increases in direct relation to how literally people take it, and some people certainly do, why not change it? What in Graud's name is the point of keeping around this big, impressive pile of dogma that you have to ignore in large part just to have a decent life? It's like leaving knives out all over your house and excusing it by saying that the smart kids will figure out not to touch the shiny end.

I really do understand being raised in a religion, rejecting it, and yet looking back with the understanding that not everything I was taught was worthless. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses have some good, praiseworthy things to say. Yet the institution of that church is simply intolerable to me in practice, and I'm not going to defend it out of sentimentality.

Which was my point. That good that institutions do, or that people in them do, must not blind us to the harm that they do such that we protect them in ways that we wouldn't protect people who did the same harm.

... And the Catholic Church's views on birth control, as I understand it, simply says that people should engage in sex only if they're willing to accept that babies may result from their actions. There are many reasons a secular society might reject that view. But some people would say that's a refreshing way to view sexuality, to not mask or hide one of its potentials but to embrace it as the sole reason to have sex. As a practical matter, however, that belief doesn't really apply to a lot of people, does it? ...

What a statement simply says and what it means in practice is very different. As that Anatole France quote goes, more or less, 'the law in its majesty punishes rich and poor alike for stealing bread and sleeping under bridges.'

The fact is that human beings are intensely social animals, the technical term is "ultrasocial." Isolation and lack of affection are provably deleterious to our health. Telling people that they have to forego an extremely normal act of intimacy between an adult, romantic couple, pair bondings that are often considered the most important in a person's life, unless they can afford a child isn't refreshing, it's simply cruel.

And that belief might not apply to a lot of people, except that it just got turned into a law. Birth control is no longer on the mandated benefits list and states can't preempt that and insist that state insurers cover it. Pharmacists and doctors can't be compelled to provide any reproductive care services, so in some areas, the beliefs of those health care providers will become the rule for any clients who don't have the means to go elsewhere.

Which was my other main point. I care about this belief mainly to the extent that it's now going to be the law of my country. If someone wanted to have this belief before, and privately, quietly regard it as a refreshing break from the rest of the world's views, well they wouldn't have had to hear nearly as much of my full and frank opinion on its utter ridiculousness. I do try to be polite about other people's religious beliefs, I have my own, equally faith-based 'just because' sentiments. Now that it's a law though, it's every bit as much game for public discussion as the organized opposition to Social Security.

To claim protected status for public, political beliefs, simply because they're based in religious sentiment is an actively hostile tilting of the playing field towards the inclusion of theology in politics.


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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
You're right in that we agree more than disagree. I've been apalled with the Hyde amendment since it passed and am doubly concerned that Obama sold out women's reproductive rights instead of educating the public and pushing back. It was a total cave, to me at least.

My only concern on the Catholic issues in your piece had to do with your grasp of actual Catholic beliefs and how the religion plays out for many or most Catholics. Any argument is stronger the more it understands what it supports or refutes. My only sentimental feelings towards Catholicism has to do with my parents, their family history, and friends who are Catholic. I don't feel sentimental or connected to the Catholic Church itself for the reasons I stated: the homophobia, women's reproductive rights, and so on.

I appreciate your considered response. Thanks!


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nice post (4.00 / 2)
well argued.

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