Knee-jerk whining about lack of moderates in Democratic Party defies all reality

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 12:30


This morning over Twitter, in response to Charlie Crist's announcement that he is running as an Indy, the AP's Ron Fournier whined that there was no room for moderates in either party:

In other words, is there room for moderate candidates and moderate voters in either party? #crist

Wow. Just, wow.

Amazing that the Washington bureau chief of the Associated Press can somehow forget that there are two large centrist caucuses of Democrats in both branches of Congress.  First,, the self-described m"moderate" New Democrats boast over one in four Democrats in the House:

A July 2009 Press release described the organization as "the largest moderate coalition in the U.S. House of Representatives", announced the election of Representative Joseph Crowley (New York) as the Coalition's Chair and counted 68 Members in the House of Representatives

Then there are the Blue Dogs, who claim another 54 members in the House.  Even though 16 of their members are also New Democrats, that still makes for 106 out of 254 House Democrats, or 42%, who self-identify with a Democratic caucus that is openly moderate. And this doesn't even count members like Chet Edwards, who is not a member of either group.

In the Senate, there are 16 members of Evan Bayh's moderate working group (the 15 listed in the link, plus Arlen Specter), and 14 New Democrats. Combined, there are 22 Democratic Senators who are members of at least one of those two self-identified "moderate" groups, or 37% of the entire Democratic Senate caucus.

All told, 41%, or 128 of 313, Democratic members of Congress belong to one of these self-identified "moderate" groups.  But maybe Ron Fournier considers Blue Dogs to be flaming liberals.

In terms of voters, in 2009 fully 60% of self-identified Democrats identify as either "moderate" or "conservative," according to Gallup:


Further, also according to Gallup, 39% of self-identified moderates self-identify as Democrats, compared to only 24% as Republicans:


But, I guess those voters don't exist.

To claim that there are no moderates in the Democratic Party requires maintaining a remarkable amount of distance from the reality of the internal workings of the party.  It also requires a health dose of bratty, whining petulance. Can Ron Fournier really believe, even as a deficit commission appointed by President Obama is underway, and even as virtually every piece of legislation Democrats try to move through Congress was basically photocopied from proposals by Third Way, that "moderation" is somehow not being served by the Democratic Party Washington, D.C.?

This goes hand in hand with Mary Landrieu's preposterous claim that progressive Senators, rather than groups of conservative Democrats, are really in charge of what sort of legislation moves through the Senate.  The adolescent, divorced-from-reality, blame everyone else, cry baby, uber privileged  mentality that is at the heart of contemporary American "moderation" is truly mind-blowing.

Chris Bowers :: Knee-jerk whining about lack of moderates in Democratic Party defies all reality

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You Have To Speak The Lingo (4.00 / 6)
"Moderate" Democrats are those who will support the GOP against their own leadership on a lock-step basis.  Regularly trashing their base is not enough.  Not by a long shot.

"Moderate" Republicans are those who don't drool.

So, no moderates!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Except that there a lot more Bayhs than Voinoviches (0.00 / 0)
So Fournier is full of it on multiple levels.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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I'm certain that with just a few more conservative Dems (0.00 / 0)
elected to Congress, and just a little more hippie punching, Fournier will see the light.  

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I think... (4.00 / 1)
...we need more DFHs in both parties, actually.

The Repressed Fact (0.00 / 0)
This is an elaborate way to avoid admitting that there is no center-right representation in America right now ...

more than repressed, nonexistent (0.00 / 0)
Nearly all that remains in national elected representation is the radical, insane right (rape-public-cans) and the center-right (democrats). Except for a minority of center-left democrats who are insufficient to enact policy.

Almost no progressives or liberals hold national office at this time.

Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob..... FDR


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Both Sides! (4.00 / 1)
Equally Guilty!

All The Same!

Fair n' Balanced!


it's a virus (0.00 / 0)
[O]ne often has a curious feeling that one is not watching a live human being but some kind of dummy: a feeling which suddenly becomes stronger at moments when the light catches the speaker's spectacles and turns them into blank discs which seem to have no eyes behind them. And this is not altogether fanciful. A speaker who uses that kind of phraseology has gone some distance toward turning himself into a machine. The appropriate noises are coming out of his larynx, but his brain is not involved...


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Fournier is a known GOP shill (0.00 / 0)
So this is a bit more insidious than the usual brain-dead Village false equivalence- Fournier knows exactly what he's doing here, muddying the waters on behalf of the people who pull his strings.

well it's true, at least among elected officials (0.00 / 0)
they're mainly conservative, with a few exceptions.

"Mary Landrieu's preposterous claim... (4.00 / 1)
that progressive Senators, rather than groups of conservative Democrats, are really in charge of what sort of legislation moves through the Senate."

In a sense she's right.  It's we progressives who have demanded that we work on Health Care Reform or Climate Change or Jobs Bills or Financial Regulation.

However, it's the Orwellian conservative Democrats who then make sure that these bills are only about those in name only and really about subsidizing the corporations.  

I guess Landrieu would prefer that Congress be more bold in subsidizing corporations.  Perhaps she'd like Mussolini's idea that instead of people choosing their representatives that we just let the corporations do it?

Educate, Agitate, Organize, Mobilize, Act!


What Fournier clearly means, even if he's not fully aware of it (0.00 / 0)
(because to be a Villager like Fournier is by definition to be either clueless or dishonest) is that what he calls moderates (and what can more rightly be called corporatists and conservatives) currently don't sufficiently dominate the party for his tastes (and for the Morning Joe crowd), and that annoying lefties like Sanders (not even a real Dem, actually), Boxer and Brown keep making trouble for them instead of just S'ing TFU and letting the grownups run things.

Fournier saying that there aren't enough "moderates" in the party is like Steve Jobs saying that not enough i-products have been sold. Oh boo freaking hoo--tell it to someone who cares.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton



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