Economics is hard--fraud-spotting, not so much

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 13:00


A while back, Salon's Andrew Leonard had a pretty good take on Fed economist (and self-described "worker bee") Kartik Athreya's elitist rant "Economics is Hard. Don't Let Bloggers Tell You Otherwise".

Here's the solid core of Leonard's response:

"Do we expect advances in cell-biology to be immediately accessible to anyone with even a college degree?" he asks plaintively.

But here is where Athreya makes a serious misstep. The science of cell biology is by no means monolithic, but there is a pretty good consensus about what constitutes scientific truth for the bulk of the field....

The same is demonstrably not true for economics. Nobel Prize winners disagree on the most basic points, such as: what's the proper role of fiscal and monetary policy during a recession? Does the minimum wage or illegal immigration hurt or help employment? Economists disagree. What impact does regulation have on the economy? Economists disagree. Yes, economics is hard -- so hard that even economists with fancy degrees don't appear, to the layman, to know what the heck is going on.
This wouldn't be such a big deal if weren't for the nagging little problem that economic policy is something we expect governments to do. We don't expect Congress to cure cancer, but we do expect our leaders to do their best to avoid inciting Depressions and bank panics and devastating trade wars.

But Barry Ritholtz's response, "Economics is Easy; Comedy is Hard" took things to a whole 'nother level:

Athreya's circle the wagon's defense raises a valid point - economics is too important to leave to just anyone.

Especially economists.

Towards that end, and to further illuminate the discussion our Federal Reserve researcher began, I suggest the following questions be used for all economic PhD candidates as part of their qualifying exams: ....

• Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz wrote: "The Chicago School [of economics] bears the blame for providing a seeming intellectual foundation for the idea that markets are self- adjusting and the best role for government is to do nothing." Discuss the intellectual errors of The Chicago School, from Milton Friedman forwards....

• Joan Robinson of Cambridge University: "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists." What did she mean by this? ....

• John Kenneth Galbraith: "We have 2 classes of forecasters: Those who don't know... and those who don't know they don't know." Please explain what Galbraith's statement means in the context of Wall Street economists....

• A Federal Reserve researcher recently wrote: "I still feel ill at  ease with my grasp of many issues, and I am fairly confident that this  is not just a question of limited intellect." How would you explain the Dunning-Kruger  effect to this person? What does Dunning-Kruger mean in practical terms to  the work of economists?

• Statistician George Box said, "Remember that all models are wrong; the practical question is how wrong do they have to be to not be useful." Discuss.

Why bring this up now?  Isn't this bruhahaha receeding rapidly in the rearview mirror?  Well, yes, but...  

Paul Rosenberg :: Economics is hard--fraud-spotting, not so much
when the infamous Arthur Laffer makes a mega-big comeback bid, maybe there's good reason to keep this controversy in mind.  Laffer, you'll recall, was one of the key figures in helping to destroy America's industrial base under Ronald Reagan.  It's not that things weren't in decline before then, or that America has no industrial capacity today.  Both are demonstrably false.  But it was under Reagan that American elites consciously decided that (outside of the military-industrial complex), maintaining an industrial base was simply not a political priority.

Laffer was not directly responsible for that. Rather, he played a major propaganda role in the attack on taxes--which is to say, on the ability of government to pay for things in a relatively sane and stable way.  Part one of Laffer's argument was trivially true: If government imposed an 100% tax, its revenues would fall to zero, just as they would if government imposed a 0% tax.  Part two was a little more iffy: Laffer assumed a an absurly simple curve (the notorious "Laffer Curve"), whereby tax revenues went up as tax rates went up from 0% and down 100%, meeting somewhere in between. This is the part that Martin Garden particularly zeroed in on in his last "Mathematical Games" column for Scientific American, "The Laffer curve  and other laughs in current economics" (online here) which included this rather more realistic illustration of what Gardner dubbed "the neo-Laffer curve":

Part three was pure BS: Laffer simply asserted that we were on the part of his curve where cutting taxes would bring in more revenue.  Hence Reagan could promise to cut taxes, and the government would get more money as a result!  This wasn't just "free market" economics.  It was free lunch economics.

Of course it didn't work.  Reagan promised he would eliminate the deficit by 1984, instead he more than doubled it during his time in office.  But instead of Laffer's idea being discredited, it became subsumed in the larger rightwing meme, "tax cuts good, spending bad."  Of course, the latter only applied to spending that conservatives didn't like. And the tax cuts were overwhelmingly targetted to benefit the rich.  But, details, details....

And this my children, is but one of countless reasons that blogging about economics is not quite like blogging about differential equations.  But I didn't just pull it out of thin air.  Laffer is back, you see.  He's arguing that unemployment benefits are not a stimulus (2+2=22!), and that the way to really stimulate the economy would be to eliminate all taxes:

No income tax, no corporate profits tax, no capital gains tax, no estate tax, no payroll tax (FICA) either employee or employer, no Medicare or Medicaid taxes, no federal excise taxes, no tariffs, no federal taxes at all, which would have reduced federal revenues by $2.4 trillion annually. Can you imagine where employment would be today? How does a 2.5% unemployment rate sound?

Well, at least I'll say this for Laffer: he's one rightwinger who's not screaming ludicrous nonsense about the deficit.

That's for his next column.

But one truly has to marvel at the full-throttle embrace of utter incoherence in economic "thought" that the Wall Street Journal has brought to such new heights, previously beyond imagining.  "It's not just stranger than you imagine, it's stranger than you can imagine."

Indeed.

And on the other hand, we have Kartik Athreya telling us not to hurt our heads thinking about it.  Just let the grownups take care of everything.

Like they've been doing ever since Laffer first showed up on the scene.


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btw... (4.00 / 2)
Those Ritholtz questions would be great on a prelim.  You wouldn't even have to go into brain dead, flat-line, stupor answering them.  I even know a prof, or two, who have taught the ground work to answer them, and who'd be brave enough to suggest them to the committee.  Knowing what I do of the committee, however, they'd be unlikely to be approved.  Varian and Romer, don't you know - even though Varian and Romer would probably approve them if asked.

Same Subtext (0.00 / 0)
to Krugman's "Learned Helplessness" piece that I blogged about recently.

And the reference to the  Dunning-Kruger effect--which I also recently blogged, certainly reinforced the feeling.

It's like there's this will to stupidity that's infected the entire profession.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Questions (4.00 / 1)
1. Do you think every person always has 100% perfect information?

2. Do you think every person always acts 100% rationally?


Of Course Not On Both Counts. (0.00 / 0)
But that only scratches the surface.

The problem is that as the old models have been found wanting, new models are introduced that are widely treated much like the approach taken in Ptolemaic astronomy, with added epicycles to keep the same basic grand design in place.

I touched on this somewhat in discussing Krugman's piece on learned helplessness in macro theory.

What's really called, of course, is a basic paradigm shift that changes everything--the equivalent of Kepler doing away with circular orbits, which in the end turned out to be even more radical than heliocentrism, since it lead directly to his Three Laws, which in turn lead to Newton's theory of gravity.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Economics is (4.00 / 8)
taking the physics of Aristotle, and couching it in the language of differential equations.  As we find daily in science, the beauty of logical theory often suffers an untimely demise in the truth of empiricism.  It's not the complexity of the systems under study in economics that are the problem, as neurologists, cellular biologists, and biophysicists deal with incredible layers of complexity as well, it is the arrogance of economists, who are intensely afraid of uttering the words, "I simply don't know."  Beyond the lack of empiricism, it is this arrogance that most distinguishes a PhD in economics from a PhD in neurology.

Science (4.00 / 1)
Economists really need to take a good Jr. High class on the scientific theory.

I think the lack of empiricism explains it all.  By default I don't think they are less arrogant than real scientists, it is just that empiricism does a fantastic job of keeping arrogance in check.


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Economics (4.00 / 4)
Can never reach a fixed and final set of laws or equations.  It's a social science, modelling the behaviour of large groups of humans.  Problem is, human behaviour is impacted by knowledge.

I think of this as being analogous to someone who figured out a reliable formula for making money on the stock market.  As long as they alone used it, it would work.  Once others figured it out (and they would even if that person never disclosed the method just by observing that person get really rich), they would all start using it, and eventually it wouldn't work anymore.

Something like this is behind the problems that manifested in the risk formulas these Phd quant guys dream up.  Once they become widespread, they stop working.


Two Models (4.00 / 3)
There are two different of what social science might be.  One is premised on engineering outcomes ala the physical sciences, where making "the world out there" more predictable. This leads to the problem you describe.  But the other model is premised on making "the world in here" more predicatable.

For example, if you realize that situations can be more powerful in producing authoritarian behavior than inherent personality traits, then you can use this model of social science to create situations that actively discourage authoritarian behavior, and thus reinforce your capacity to act more in line with your core values, rather than uncontrolled outside influences.

The unlike the first model of social science, the second model is not self-defeating, since maximizing autonomy-promoting situations benefits everyone.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Nicely said. (4.00 / 1)
What strikes me about most "mainstream" economists is their utter lack of understanding--and thus their ability to distinguish--between these two modes of understanding.

The result, of course, is that body of work, produced by these self-important wankers, is rendered meaningless... except as agit-prop. But it sure as heck ain't "science."

"Lies are often much more plausible, more appealing to reason, than reality, since the liar has the great advantage of knowing beforehand what the audience wishes or expects to hear." -- Hannah Arendt


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Economics = Political Economy (4.00 / 1)
From wikipedia:

Economics is the social science that is concerned with the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services. Current economic models developed out of the broader field of political economy in the late 19th century, owing to a desire to use an empirical approach more akin to the physical sciences.

It would seem that the political component of the study of economics got downplayed, but the actual political component of economics is huge.  The first rule of trying to understand economic theory is to figure out who's getting screwed.


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This Reminds Me (0.00 / 0)
There something on the textbook re-definition of economics I came across recently that I should go back and check on.

Thanks for the memory jolt.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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