The medium is the message: too late, Mr. Gibbs

by: Paul Rosenberg

Mon Aug 23, 2010 at 10:30


On Thursday, Sam Stein wrote a piece at HuffPo, "'Professional Left' Saga Says More About Media Than Obama".  I think that headline overstated it--or perhaps, oversimplified it--but the article had a very good point:  The media environement is continuing to shift and that shift is getting away from Obama.  Here's how Stein put it in his lede:

Last week's feud between White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs and the so-called "professional left" did more than just open a window into the fraying relations between the president and his base. It provided one of the sharpest illustrations to date as to how an ever-changing news culture has challenged even the most press-savvy of operations.

As Stein lays it out, the cable is becoming increasingly more like the internet, and the Obama Administration is falling behind the curve.  I think it's pretty good narrative, but I would argue that there's a good more depth that could be added.

As part of his story setup, Stein notes that the Obama campaign posture of pretending to ignore the media was a ruse.  What's new now is not that they're suddenly breaking character and paying attention, but that they're so clumsy and behind the curve:

Increasingly, press veterans say, the content aired on cable resembles material traditionally found online. No longer is the focus on securing interviews with top officials or reading the day's top stories. Rather, value is found in breaking news and hosting debates that draw an audience.

"Cable has traditionally been talent-driven," explained MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan, a chief purveyor of the new news structure. "Fuck the talent, pardon my language. But if you have the audience you win. I'm not talking about economics even. I'm talking about the soul of the show."

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What's resulted from this orderless environment is the type of news coverage that has drawn the White House's ire, whether it consists of horse-race chatter or rumor-mongering. On Thursday, Pew Research produced a poll showing that of the 20 percent of the public who think the president is a Muslim, 60 percent said they learned as much from the media....

Even at MSNBC -- a network ostensibly more aligned with the administration on philosophical matters than its two competitors -- the story lines have been difficult for the administration to take. Over the past few weeks, there has been a consistent drumbeat of progressive displeasure over the job the president is doing. The topics and tone tend to reflect the type of copy published on the web and, not surprisingly, it has been an online story that often leads the news.

For the past few weeks, Cenk Uygur has played a pinch-hitter role for MSNBC, guest hosting for anchors and doing panels for daytime programs. Both he and others have described his style as "rants" -- the type of opinionated news reporting and analysis that is meant to entertain or infuriate viewers depending on their disposition. It's an approach that has pushed the envelope editorially. But it's also one that the brass seems comfortable with.

"We are getting great ratings," Uygur explained to the Huffington Post.

That's 100% in my book. And it dovetails with the substance of some critical things I've said in the past about improving MSNBC (more on that below). But as a dyed-in-the-wool believer in overdetermination and multiple causation, I'd go even farther:  The liberal blow-back he's getting right now is not only a product of a shifting media landscape--though it most certainly is that, in part.  But it's also a direct result of Obama's decision to play the left from the beginning.  He could have genuinely embraced the progressive online community, instead he opted for a very clever strategy of co-option.  Whether by temperament, ideology, sociology or simple calculation of political power, Obama decided to ditch his whole transformation change shtick, as Larry Lessig so perfectly nailed it (and as I quoted him previously in Why Gibbs' hippy-punching incident is pivotal, not trivial):

Paul Rosenberg :: The medium is the message: too late, Mr. Gibbs
It's certainly not fair to criticize Obama for not being a Lefty. He wasn't ever a Lefty. He didn't promise to be a Lefty. And there's no reason to expect that he would ever become a Lefty.

But Lefties (like me) who criticize Obama are not criticizing him for failing our Lefty test. Our criticism is that Obama is failing the Obama test: that he is not delivering the presidency that he promised.

When Candidate Obama took on Hilary Clinton, he was quite clear about what he thought about the way Washington works. And he was quite clear about why he was running for President. As he said:

    [U]nless we're willing to challenge the broken system in Washington, and stop letting lobbyists use their clout to get their way, nothing else is going to change. And the reason I'm running for president is to challenge that system.

Read it again: "The reason I am running for president is to challenge that system."

....

Obama's strategy as president has not been to "change the way Washington works." Rather, he has pushed reforms in the same old way, with the same old games.

There were good reasons, of course:  The outside forces of change weren't really ready yet.  However much they were key to getting Obama up and going, he got more of his money from high-dollar insiders... particularly Wall Street.  And the proof was in the pudding:  When Obama cut off progressives with virtually nothing to show for it, while doing deal after deal with the very insiders and lobbyists he had previously railed against, he suffered virtually no penalty at all.  Indeed, he had a solid legion of "liberal" apologists, ready to attack any critics.

The only problem was that this a terrible miscalculation on Obama's part.  Yes, the outsider progressive forces weren't ready to win on day one.  But they had tremendous passion and momentum on their side.  Once in office, Obama didn't seem to think he needed that--or else that he could turn it off and on as needed when the time came.  This was related in part to Obama's assimilation into the culture of Versailles, and his visible disdain for the online community except as he was able to reshape it (and even then, he was quick to ignore it when it told him things he didn't want to hear).  But this meant, in effect, siding with the failed Versailles establishment, and against the outsiders, whose energy and support had been fundamental to his rise.

What made this such a bad choice was the truly stupendous scope of establishment failure:  9/11 and the entire illogic of how we responded by doing almost everything bin Laden could have asked for; the economic crisis, also responded to in a manner that only made things worse; the health care crises and the climate crisis, both trivialized and turned into  further opportunities for massive subsidies for the very people who caused the problems in the first place. It was not an auspicious list.  But as long as reality was not part of the the game, as long as it was  just Dems vs. Reps, it could work out just fine.  And that's the way Obama & Co. expected things to stay.  The left would only rarely and belatedly get a hearing.  Reality would never be a factor in policy decisions or political debates.  Progressives would suck up, no matter what the cost.

But as time went on, this strategy increasingly started falling apart.  The "brilliant" shift from "winning" the health care fight to giving away off-shore oil drilling in hopes of another illusory grand bargain blew up unexpectedly in the real world, at BP's Deepwater Horizon. The gays would not go away--and neither would the Hispanics. Then came General McChrystal meltdown--which Rachel Maddow perceptively pointed out was a fundamental policy problem, not just a personality one... and then went all the way to Afghanistan to prove, not just in a two-day visit there, but in two weeks of follow-up reporting as well. This was the broader shift underway (with Maddows role undergoing a shift as well) at the same time that the political price for the drastically undersized stimulus finally started to come all-too-visibly due.

In short, Gibb's explosion was well and truly over-determined at the policy-fuckup level. But all these policy fuckups had a common root in Obama's decision to double-cross his base.  So long as he could continue to fool them into still supporting him, as long as he could strong-arm them while claiming he was really on their side, but too weak to deliver, his balancing act could continue indefinitely... or so he believed.  But while all the forces were shifting, slowly as outlined above, the media environment was shifting as well, as Stein described it.  Neither shift alone might have proved so threatening to Obama, but they were not alone.  Indeed, they were deeply interconnected--and connected as well to the promise that Obama had made, embodied, and then abandoned.

We face a very rough couple of months ahead, whatever the outcome in November.  And whatever that outcome is, we face a very rough couple of years after that.  But make no mistake, the Obama effort to silence and sell out the left has failed, not because of the left, but because of reality.  The left was just there when reality happened, saying, "Look! Look! Look!"

And to our credit, for the most part, we just didn't stop pointing and shouting.

And we're not about to stop now.


Addendum

Last September, I wrote a piece, "Making Maddow's Show Better", which began thus:

I began with the thought of how much better Maddow's show would be if she relied on Digby regularly instead of Anna Marie Cox. Then I thought of something even better, from a movement-building point of view.  What if she drew on a much wider range of blogging talent for critical perspectives, helping to raise the visibility of a wide range of progressive voices?  Why not a daily bloggers panel to discuss a particular issue?  It would be pretty easy to scan for top posts on a subject any given day, and select participants to present their views.

The underlying idea of that post was shifting the nature of cable news coverage, to make it less dependent on Versailles, and more reliant on outside critical voices.  That's the process that Sam Stein was writing about--even though the primary mechanism he writes about is different.  But the needed shift is far larger than any one mechanism and--as I've just argued--is also intimately connected to the issues that Versailles has not just ignored, but denied.

They deny.  We decry.  

That's our job.  And we're not about to stop now.


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I agree that the attack by Gibbs was a defining moment for this administration. (4.00 / 4)
It was certainly the culmination of a number of not-so-subtle attacks on the left and on the important part of the Democratic base consisting of the peace movement, labor, civil libertarians, the poor, minorities, the environmental movement and the middle class. The attack may have taken the form of repeating right-wing attacks on liberals for being "elite" and out of touch (the "professional" left) but it's essential message is that this administration will continue its tilt against the groups above and will instead it will concentrate its attention on protecting its corporate clientele and view criticism of this bias as dismissable and ignorable.  

Still puzzled (4.00 / 6)
Once in office, Obama didn't seem to think he needed [the outsider progressive forces]--or else that he could turn it off and on as needed when the time came.

I find it incredible - as in, not believable - that Obama could be so shallow (? Is that the word I want?) that he could campaign on, ostensibly, progressive rhetoric, govern in a way that was in direct opposition to that rhetoric, and that he actually thought could flip the switch back to ON after having turned it OFF.  I've been objectified on innumerable occasions, and in a variety of circumstances, but never quite like this.  I've been dismissed and discounted by others, but those others never assumed that they could reliably count on me in the future, once having done so.  I can't imagine a behavioral set that more clearly communicates You do not matter to me. than what Obama has demonstrated.  So, having made that plain, his assumption of future availability - or, more precisely, a silently benign tolerance for his choices - is truly amazing.  He might actually be that narcissistic, but is everyone who surrounds and advises him equally so?  It appears so.  IMO, that makes his administration genuinely politically incompetent even setting aside the sheer destructiveness of the policies they might want to push.


Yup! (4.00 / 2)
This crowd is so politically incompetent that there isn't even really a language for it.  Which in turn makes it difficult to talk about it.  Which in turn makes it difficult for people to grasp.  Which must mean it's all just in our heads.  It's all just the rantings of the professional left.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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What are you gonna do? (4.00 / 4)
Vote for Republicans? Ineffective "third" party candidates? Boycott the election?

They've got you right where they want you.

So, having made that plain, his assumption of future availability - or, more precisely, a silently benign tolerance for his choices - is truly amazing.

I don't think it is "amazing" that Obama and his political advisors are depending upon the "vote for Obama or the nasty Republicans are gonna get you" routine for 2012.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
And Yet... (4.00 / 4)
They are doing this at the very same time that they're shitting their shitting their pants over the "enthusiasm gap".

True, it's a time-honored way of ignoring your own predicament by making someone else's worse.  But just because it's time-honored doesn't mean it isn't stupid.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Clearly they're a lot more (4.00 / 1)
worried about only 38 percent of indies approving of O and about the 49 percent of the country believing O is too liberal.  

[ Parent ]
The Time To Worry About That (4.00 / 4)
was when Obama cozied up to the Wall Street CEOs & told them that he was the only thing standing between them & the angry masses.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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"They've got you right where they want you. " (4.00 / 2)
and if you ever again want to matter in the political calculations of very cynical and corrupt politicians it seems to me the challenge has to be accepted and responded to. Obama is as clear an enemy of the left, of progressives, of the poor, of labor, of the middle class, of the antiwar movement,... as he can possibly make it. If we on the left validate and accept the "rock and hard place" dichotomy, then we surely ensure that the Democratic Party is forever owned by this dreck.

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How does one "invalidate" the scenario? (0.00 / 0)
If we on the left validate and accept the "rock and hard place" dichotomy, then we surely ensure that the Democratic Party is forever owned by this dreck.

The two party system sets the stage for "rock/hard place" politics - and IT WORKS, at least for those in power and their corporate funders.

How do you figure "the left" can buy back the Democratic Party from the "dreck" that owns them now?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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You Don't Buy It (0.00 / 0)
You fight for it.

Same as it ever was.

And no.  It's never been easy.

You want easy?  Go to Vegas & bet against the house.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Describing and "buying" are not the same thing (0.00 / 0)
Where did I say I want easy?

My goal is a political system within which more than two parties are viable at all levels of political organization in the US. Does that sound easy?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
start from the understanding that Obama and most of the Democratic Party are our enemies (4.00 / 4)
not wayward souls who have lost their way and only need reason and good advice to show them the right way. That puts us essentially outside, as opposed say to Mike Lux who is doing what he does "inside". After that we protest and go after the Obama fraud and the Democratic sellout with the same zeal we went after Bush.As we do this we will figure out how to make our demands heard and how to propagate them. I know you do this already to some extent...I guess we just keep doing it. If the country continues to fall apart as it seems to be doing in the face of phony Obama/Democratic "reforms" (here is a good article from Der Spiegel on the growing economic disparity in America...yet another thing candidate Obama said he was going to change:

http://www.spiegel.de/internat...

and at MYDD we get the statistics that the top 1% of wealthy individuals in America own 37.1% of ALL assets, while the bottom 80% of the population owns 12.3% with the first figure up 3.7% since 2001 and the second figure down 3.1% in that same time frame

http://mydd.com/2010/8/23/stub...

Take a look also at this quick hit:

http://www.openleft.com/viewQu...

The point of all of this is that the problems which Obama is ignoring will not disappear in Gibb's or Obama's rhetorical flourishes...they are here and they are serious.We on the left have to address them because no one else will. We need a program centered on rebuilding this country, its  human and physical infrastructure.


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Wierd part is (4.00 / 2)
We need a program centered on rebuilding this country, its  human and physical infrastructure.

The Democratic Party needs the same thing - or at least could use it as the bases for the upcoming campaign.

That disconnect does not bode well for the nation.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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could have been the centerpiece of a popular (4.00 / 2)
and populist transformative administration. could have forced the Republicans to own and defend the havoc they have wreaked. could have organized and focussed our energies and purposes for positive change and future political direction. could have....

instead we have crap...

a golden opportunity lost, we have to hope we get another one.


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Or, else! (4.00 / 5)
I dunno spitball.  I can only speak for myself, but as the gap between the Democrats and the Republicans continues to narrow in terms of policy (set the rhetoric aside as rhetoric), that fear mongering is not going to move me to the polls for any candidate whose behavioral set is wildly inconsistent with my preferences.  Yes, there are compromises.  I donate to Grayson's campaign even though I loathe his position on Israel.  The only thing Obama has to his credit is he has not yet agreed to bomb Iran.  I made the base choice between McCain and Obama on that basis.  That's how low my expectations were on a fundamental level.  However, that does not mean that I expected Obama to codify the worst of the Republican agenda.  Truth is, I'm beginning to like the Democrats better when they're in the minority.  At least, their excuses hold water.  And, they will stymie some of the worst of the GOP's instincts just to distinguish themselves.

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I'm going to pass on voting for my Blue Dog (4.00 / 6)
congressman this year. It will be the first time ever. I'll vote D everywhere else but leave that box unchecked.

I figure, if he falls to a Republican (he has a challenger) then that means another Democrat, maybe even a real one! is free to run against that Republican in 2012.

This Blue Dog had the corporate money sewed up so tight  no one was willing to primary him. A Republican in the seat opens things up.

Montani semper liberi


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yes (4.00 / 2)
I intend to do all these things, and vote for the dem. (which one depends on the race, and candidate), in this election, and in the future. Always choosing the "lesser evil" democrat has resulted in a 35 year continual decline of lifestyle for EVERYONE I know.

This is a good example of Einstien's definition of insanity....repeating an action over and over expecting a different outcome.

The sooner the current situation comes to a head, the sooner we can begin the long climb out of this (God bless the rich and to hell with the rest) political dead end.... In short, there is not enough difference between the two parties to make the dems the default choice.

What are you going to do?

Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob..... FDR


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I take a slightly different view (4.00 / 4)
He only did the bare minimum to attract netroots progressives, who by and large were overwhelmingly cool to his message of caution and bipartisan transcendence. Hell, on its signature issue, Iraq, he moved hard to the right. And there was FISA. Etc. He was only slightly more aggressive in wooing other parts of the base -- the labor movement -- mostly because he had to deny Edwards and Clinton its support. Before Edwards had dropped out, few, if any, prominent progressive groups, institutions, publications, or individuals endorsed Obama. To their credit, they had him well pegged.

But then it was a choice between Hillary and Obama, and some progressives came on board, Move On, for example, without demanding anything of him. And then he won, and almost every progressive jumped on board, just because he'd won. Although Obama is most ways not just a centrist but an anti-progressive -- as Gibbs comments make (even more) explicit -- he has this history to suggest that progressives will again back him hard against the GOP.

He's not crazy, but we might be.  


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the problem was with the choice (4.00 / 1)
Which is to say, Hillary Clinton may well have been worse.  At the minimum we'd be going through all of the same battles without the veneer of minor disappointment we feel in regards to the Obama campaign's token outreach to the actual left.

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How should a Harvard Law grad be expected to act? (4.00 / 2)
This article is one that I find quite explanatory. (Thanks, Paul.)

bystander, why do you find the idea that Obama could be so shallow as to believe that American politics are run from inside the Washington beltway and also believe that politics consist of little more than taking positions in the media that his pollsters find resonate with whoever the Hell actually gets to the polling place to vote? D.C. does appear to be a small, insular town with its own rules and its own status hierarchy. It is not closely connected to the rest of America. Read Digby regularly. She has been documenting this for years.

Such small town atmospheres are not that unusual. I lived in New Orleans for two years working for Social Security, and, like D.C., it is a similar small-town in its own world. It is also similarly very attractive.

After two years there it became obvious to me that every other Texan I knew who spent more than three years in New Orleans became so enamored with the city that they could not be blasted out of it by C4.

Want to know how insular New Orleans was? One of the first questions on the Social Security retirement application is "Have you ever lived outside the United States?" I asked people in downtown New Orleans that question five or six times a day. Once or twice a week I'd have someone answer "Well, I lived in Mississippi for a few years." Anything outside New Orleans was a foreign country to them.

The denizens of D.C. treat Versailles on the Potomac the same way. The longer they live there the more D.C. status cred they get. If they leave Washington they move to the secondary location of New York City, probably because they see it on TV a lot. Everything outside those two locations is another picture on TV with an off/on switch next to it.  


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True. But You're Forgetting Aspen, Davos, Martha's Vineyard, etc., etc. (4.00 / 3)
Small townism does run rampant in America, no doubt about it--and that's definitely a factor to consider.

But it's not exclusive what's going on in this case. That's part of the reason I use "Versailles" instead of "The Beltway".  Because these folks are the same set, wherever they set up shop.  It's all just an interesting change of backdrop, nothing more.

After all, you could--like hundreds of thousands of relatively poor black folks--live in DC all your life, and never come close to living in these folks' world.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Quite right (4.00 / 2)
This is, of course, a select class group in Washington. They happily dominate their city and don't really understand those not in their group.

It's also, as you say, not exclusively what is going on. But Obama was also a select member of the club of 100 rich men. That is itself a very small cultural group, and yet a significant number of them consider themselves to be the best single choice to become President. My favorite example of that syndrome is still Phil Gramm, probably one of the most unsuitable candidates ever to spend money exploring a run for the Presidency. I'd put John McCain into that group, also, though not with the level of delusion Phil suffered from.

Of the Senate 100 a surprisingly high percentage seem to me to suffer the symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My question on that is whether the Senate attracts that kind of people or if the Senate culture creates them when they get there. I suspect both are true. If there is anyway to prove any of that speculation I have no clue what it would be. But it certainly is indicative of the culture they live in and belong to.

You're quite right, though, that small-townism is only one factor in the blindness of so many who live and work in Washington, and when they set up shop outside of town they often seem to carry the town culture with them.  


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Chicken With Eggs (4.00 / 1)
I think the Senate both attracts and sustains NPDs, and accentuates latent tendencies as well.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Apparenlty you are correct. I had thought the Senate also created NPD (0.00 / 0)
I had previously studied NPD after discovering the reason for my divorce from my second wife was her NPD. (She won't admit the diagnosis in spite of the fact she is a counselor with a MS in Social Work. She introduced me to the DSM 3R that I used to diagnose her. She meets 8 of the 9 criteria, with 5 required for a diagnosis.) But I Googled the subject again because of your comment. Here is what I got:
What is narcissistic personality disorder?

Narcissism is a term used to describe a focus on the self and self-admiration that is taken to an extreme. The word "narcissism" comes from a Greek myth in which a handsome young man named Narcissus sees his reflection in a pool of water and falls in love with it.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of a group of conditions called dramatic personality disorders. People with these disorders have intense, unstable emotions, and a distorted self-image. Narcissistic personality disorder is further characterized by an abnormal love of self, an exaggerated sense of superiority and importance, and a preoccupation with success and power. However, these attitudes and behaviors do not reflect true self-confidence. Instead, the attitudes conceal a deep sense of insecurity and a fragile self-esteem. People with this personality disorder also tend to set unrealistic goals.
What are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder?

In many cases, people with narcissistic personality disorder:

   * Are self-centered and boastful
   * Seek constant attention and admiration
   * Consider themselves better than others
   * Exaggerate their talents and achievements
   * Believe that they are entitled to special treatment
   * Are easily hurt but might not show it
   * Might take advantage of others to achieve their goals

Other common traits of narcissistic personality disorder include the following:

   * Preoccupation with fantasies that focus on unlimited success, power, intelligence, beauty, or love
   * Belief that he or she is "special" and unique, and can only be understood by other special people
   * Expectation that others will automatically go along with what he or she wants
   * Inability to recognize or identify with the feelings, needs, and viewpoints of others
   * Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her
   * Hypersensitivity to insults (real or imagined), criticism, or defeat, possibly reacting with rage, shame, and humiliation
   * Arrogant behavior and/or attitude

What causes narcissistic personality disorder?

The exact cause of narcissistic personality disorder is not known. However, many mental health professionals believe it results from extremes in child rearing. For example, the disorder might develop as the result of excessive pampering, or when a child's parents have a need for their children to be talented or special in order to maintain their own self-esteem. On the other end of the spectrum, narcissistic personality disorder might develop as the result of neglect or abuse and trauma inflicted by parents or other authority figures during childhood. The disorder usually is evident by early adulthood.

I was aware that no one knew what caused NPD. I hadn't realized that it was evident by early childhood.

That tells me that the assholes who dominated my high school probably suffered with NPD. Then the went into politics. Then the NPD assholes and the decent people ran against each other and often the NPD assholes won because they were so dedicated to winning and were willing to sacrifice things that matter to the rest of us to win. you know, things like family and peace of mind.

That makes the Senate the final resting place of many such NPD individuals. So right now I would have to say that the Senate attracts such individuals rather than creating them.

At least until I get better evidence, of course.  


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I still think (0.00 / 0)
that someone who asked retirees in Washington D.C. if they ever lived outside the United states would get answers like "Well, I lived in New Jersey once."

It wouldn't be quite so clear because a lot of D.C. people actually live in Maryland or Virginia. But you get what I mean, right? Their heart is in Washington, D.C.  


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Yes, of course, Rick B. (4.00 / 2)
Whatever could I have been thinking?  Surely I have been too deluded to have ever pointed to anything like this.  Particularly too confused to have ever pointed to it for you.

All that aside.  Explaining the inadequacies of Obama's interiority takes us to one level of understanding.  Explaining the insularity of DC (which I agree Digby does well) is another level.  However, explaining an entire failed administration - both politically and with respect to the policies it advances - takes a bit more than A Harvard law grad goes to Washington.  


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Sorry (4.00 / 1)
I did not mean to be insulting.

I was suckered and I'm mad about it. I thought there should have been signs that I was being played for a fool by the Democrats. Unfortunately I was mostly focused on how the Republicans have been been very blatantly and corruptly stealing from the country.

Now I'm just mad and trying to understand why I fell for Obama's line of bull. And I don't think that the Fall elections will send a message to the White House that they will understand. Gibb's reaction leads me to suspect that they consider themselves the smart kids on the block and they already "understand" what the problems are. Those of us who are mad at Obama must just be fools as far as they are concerned.  


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No problem.... (4.00 / 1)
other than I agreed with you.  Petty of me to want "credit" for that ... and then fail to notice that you recommended my comment.  [Insert a swift kick to my own pants here.] Sometimes my mouth vis-a-vis my fingers gets a little ahead of the cues right under my nose.  I shouldn't have been condescending. Apologies from me, as well.  

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Is this a fight between liberals (4.00 / 1)
about how much we agree with each other and don't want to hurt each other's feelings??

If so, then I fear that my military background does not provide me with the cultural preparation need to tell me how to respond.

Just in case no one gets it, I am LAMO. And as a science fiction-reading retired military officer raised in the South who graduated from a segregated all-white high school and who is still a Democrat and a proud liberal, I'll guarantee you I am not used to people understanding when and why I am laughing. But this is funny.  


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Permission to speak, Sir! (4.00 / 2)
;-)

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Ron Dellums Is A Retired Marine Sgt. (4.00 / 1)
At one time his white liberal House colleague from across the SF Bay was Don Edwards, retired FBI.

I always took it for granted that having liberals with these sorts of backgrounds was a very good thing.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Excellent analysis. (4.00 / 8)
In spite of having successfully ridden the barbarian hordes over the wall, he believed that same wall would protect him once inside.

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Why (4.00 / 2)
would President Obama feel as though he should be "protected" from his base? Its HE that is punching the DFH's not the other way around. We need to protect ourselves.



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My opinion (4.00 / 5)
is that since they won a hard-fought primary against an incumbent who expected to win the nomination and the Presidency (Hillary) and then they won the Presidential election they consider themselves the smartest kids on the block. They have all the answers and they have proven it at the ballot box. Just ask them.

As I understand Richard E. Neustadt (Presidential Power) the way the incumbent of the Presidency has to function is sharply different from what they had to do to win the job. My suspicion is that the Chicago gang hasn't figured that out yet.  


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Agreed On Both Counts (4.00 / 3)
Of course, the reality is that Clinton's campaign was abominably stupid.  Most national Dem campaigns are.  It doesn't take all that much to beat them.

Except, of course, that it does take money!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My current best guess on that (4.00 / 2)
is that like so many democrats, they hired the very best Democratic advisers. The ones with the resumes that go back to the early dinosaur eras.

Those are the same people who haven't a clue how the world has changed in the last three decades. They focus on how the current political environment is changing. That's why Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy was such a shock to them.

Experts come in two flavors. One flavor isolates a specialized arena and becomes truly an expert in that arena. The other flavor steps back and tried to understand what is really important in the overall environment. The first flavor, in my experience, finds it easier to sell his skills. They fit on a resume better. But Howard Dean was the second kind, and the narrow specialty guys really did not like him.

Unfortunately for the narrow specialty guys, times of cultural change generally reward the guys who understand the overall situation better.

I'd suspect that the very bright Obama is more of the narrow specialty type, and he has built a team around his expertise.

I've taught corporate strategy in business school, and I've seen both kinds of thinking. The extremes are (loosely speaking) the accountants and the better sales-people. I really think that the Obama administration is built of accounting types and they tend to dislike the loosey-goosey strategists because they don't understand the kinds of cultural thinking that goes into changing priorities even in the face of so-called accounting facts. My indicator on that is how rapidly and unceremoniously they got rid of Howard Dean even after his 50 state strategy was instrumental in getting Obama elected.

Dem campaigns in my opinion are based on what worked before. They don't adapt well to changed circumstances. It may well require a new generation of Democratic politicians to change that - unfortunately.

We outside the beltway are probably much better seated to recognize this.  


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Agreed But... (0.00 / 0)
It takes a really special kind of stupid to get rid of something as spectacularly successful as the 50-state strategy as quickly and unceremoniously as they did.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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