Progressive Campaigns to Do Not Gay Bash

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:08


In the whole McLurkin fiasco, one interesting note here is that Obama seems to have built the opposite of the Dean coalition.  Dean's very first base group was the gay community that funded his initial campaign, and then he moved to the blogs and the wider white progressive space, but he never really picked up traction among African-Americans.  Obama's McLurkin incident has coalesced the blogs and the gay community against him, and he's now fighting Clinton for African-Americans.  There's an exception of course in that both Dean and Obama were much stronger among men than women, but the gist of the McLurkin story is that Obama has gelled the latent anti-Obama sentiment among progressives into something solid.

I should be clear.  The McLurkin situation is not about gay bashing and it never has been about gay bashing.  Obama's not a homophobe, he is probably more comfortable around gay people than any Presidential candidate and he has a great record on LGBT rights.  It is a significant incident though, because it's about priorities.  It's obvious from the campaign's blundering politics that the people Obama listens to for political advice simply don't care about the concerns of progressives.  Here's Obama on the gay-baiting McClurkin controversy.

Matt Stoller :: Progressive Campaigns to Do Not Gay Bash

Part of the reason that we have had a faith outreach in our campaigns is precisely because I don't think the LGBT community or the Democratic Party is served by being hermetically sealed from the faith community and not in dialogue with a substantial portion of the electorate, even though we may disagree with them.

So the choice, apparently, is between the LGBT community and the Democratic Party being hermetically sealed from the faith community and inviting gay-bashers to act as surrogates.  Ok, fine.  At least Obama would take the notion of dialogue seriously, right?  Both sides would get their say.  And McClurkin is just a singer, not a spokesman.

Mr. McClurkin turned the final half hour of the three-hour concert into a revival meeting about the lightning rod he has become for the Obama campaign.

He approached the subject gingerly at first. Then, just when the concert had seemed to reach its pitch and about to end, Mr. McClurkin returned to it with a full-blown plea: "Don't call me a bigot or anti-gay when I have suffered the same feelings," he cried.

"God delivered me from homosexuality," he added. He then told the audience to believe the Bible over the blogs: "God is the only way." The crowd sang and clapped along in full support....

The article notes that the concert attendees were in strong agreement with McClurkin.  Chris thinks this is just a mistake on the Obama campaign, but I find it hard to agree with that analysis.  This looks like Obama is giving a wink and a nod to bigots.  And that's consistent with campaigns that do not empower progressives at the top level; this concert should have been killed a month ago in meetings of staffers where the progressive got up on the table and screams no.  It should have been killed on Monday when that advisor could have talked to Aravosis and asked 'how big a deal is this', and brought that feedback into the campaign.  But that advisor doesn't exist, and so the South Carolina consultant who thinks that McLurkin is the route to votes in the state won by defaut.  That may or may not be true about McLurkin's electoral appeal, but no one in the campaign considered how it would knock Obama off message for a week or hurt him with progressive primary voters elsewhere.  Obama just didn't empower a person in the campaign at a high level who would understand this.

Obama is just an ambitious politician trying to win a few more votes, and he's certainly gay friendly in his legislative record.  But it says something about why a non-movement campaign just cannot beat brand Democrat.  It's not about positions and it never has been about positions, it's about constituencies and identity, and prioritizing your values.  There are many 'liberals' in Congress who give money to Bush Dog freshmen and pretend their voting record should excuse them for this.  That's just not the way this works, and the logical culmination is the McLurkin situation, where a campaign is caught between a rock and a hard place.  And it's not an accident, it's a choice.  Obama chose to be where he is by his decision to keep the progressive movement at arms length. 

I've spoken to a bunch of people around the country who tell me that the air in the Obama world has leaked out in the past month for two specific reasons.  Activists and liberals don't think Obama can beat Clinton, but they also no longer see a reason to care.  My position has always been that Obama could win if he runs a progressive campaign, but he's just not a progressive.  Clinton is brand Democrat who has faced the right-wing smear machine, and she knows just how awful they are.  Her strategy will be bad for the general since she is centrist and represents the status quo.  In a primary or the general, though, you can't beat something with nothing, and Clinton is at least something.

It's rare that I don't agree with Chris, but I don't think that campaigns are unbeatable by other campaigns in the Presidential election, even at this late date.  If Obama had done what Dodd did with the hold most recently it would implicitly create a contrast with Clinton.  This contrast wouldn't have to be announced in the New York Times by senior staffers.  This contrast wouldn't have drawn quotes from Clinton staffers that they are 'disappointed that Obama is abandoning the politics of hope'.  It would be a real contrast.  Instead, the contrast is between brand Democrat who is running a smooth and bland campaign as the first female President, and a blundering neophyte who doesn't know where he stands on a concert.


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Passive Bashing Via A Wink And A Nod (0.00 / 0)
This looks like Obama is giving a wink and a nod to bigots.

Bingo!

As I posted in Chris's diary, Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he invited MsLurkin.  He was taking a page out of the Rove 2004 playbook and attempting to use gays as a wedge issue with African American religious homophobes in South Carolina.

Audacity, indeed!


Where Has He Been??? (4.00 / 3)
Obama:

Part of the reason that we have had a faith outreach in our campaigns is precisely because I don't think the LGBT community or the Democratic Party is served by being hermetically sealed from the faith community and not in dialogue with a substantial portion of the electorate, even though we may disagree with them.

Like, he's never heard of Mel White and Soulforce???

More importantly, where does he think we've been?

This is just one more example of Obama's insufferable arrogance and ignorance.  He's the one who continually reinforces these rightwing frames, and denies the existence of those who've been on the case long before him.

This is the exact opposite of being a true progressive.  A true progressive honors and respects those who been there before.  A true progressive knows we're all part of a larger story.  A true progressive builds others up.  Obama is always putting progressives down, lecturing us like we're children, and ignoring those who are lightyears ahead of him.

Despite all this, Obama may actually want to be a progressive, but he clearly doesn't know how.  There is no such thing as a Broder/Lieberman progressive.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Slightly OT, but (0.00 / 0)
I've been wondering what you think would happen if a non-Clinton (and non-Kucinich) campaign embraced 'investigative impeachment' (as per your recent post)?

Extremely unlikely, of course, but I'm wondering how you think that'd play out.


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It Has To Be Done Right (0.00 / 0)
The Versailles Press would go nuts, of course.  Bush Derangement Syndrome. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.  So they'd have to be prepared to go all in, devote all their resources to pushing it, and doing everything imagineable to rally support.

It would certainly be interesting.  Which is hardly something you can say about the Democratic primary so far.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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D'oh (0.00 / 0)
read your comment only after posting my own.

But yeah. Apparently Obama's never heard of http://streetprophet... either.

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It wasn't killed (4.00 / 1)
because Obama probably does not have a staffer who is both black and gay.  I'm betting his GLBT advisers are either white or Hispanic and it raised no red flags for them. 

That intersection of being both black and gay is something Obama clearly doesn't want to touch with a 10 foot pole.


All that needs to be said: (0.00 / 0)
"Obama's not a homophobe, he is probably more comfortable around gay people than any Presidential candidate and he has a great record on LGBT rights."  Now if that's not the most important thing, then it's more about your priorities than his.

No, His FEELINGS Are NOT More Important Than What He Does (4.00 / 3)
Back in 2000, when George Bush was questioned--once--about his opposition to funding SCHIP at the level the Texas Lege wanted it, he shot back (paraphrase), "How dare you question what's in my heart.  Only God knows that."

The notion that politicians' feelings, or innermost motivations matter more than what they actually do is a long-standing article of faith on the right.  It is the most ludicrous and pernicious idea imaginable for progressives to embrace.  Public service is about public service, not private feelings.  The office of President is a form of public service.  Obama is not running for minister or friend.  He is running for President, and as such it has actions that count.

As for good intentions, we all know which superhighway to where is paved with them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Try reading the quote (0.00 / 0)
Matt says "he has a great record on LGBT rights".  That's public service, not private feelings.  I agree with you about public service vs. private feelings, perhaps I'm a bit more consistent in that.  To me, when someone co-sponsors the War in Iraq that's public service.  His personal feelings about any reservations he might have had at the time, or how he feels afterwards does not matter as much as his actions.

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I Was Responding To YOU, Not Matt (4.00 / 1)
My comment wasn't a comment about Obama.  It was a comment about your comment, specifically, and your cultist attitude in general.  It's inherently reactionary, and you've repeatedly displayed similar sorts of reactionary thought process.

What's more, you are hardly unique.  Obama's campaign is largely built around this confusion of private and public, intention and action or actual policy.  His defects in policy or action are waved away with a Goldwater cry, "In your heart, you know he's right!"

No one else, however, is granted that same maleable standard.  Certainly not those of us who remain dubious about the whole enterprise.  We are scum of the earth.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Of course you mean just the opposite (0.00 / 0)
By your comments it is clear you consider us, or me in particular, the scum of the earth.  The post you claim you are responding to says nothing of the kind of "in your heart you know he is right" cultism you accuse me of.  I simply said the fact he has a an excellent record on LGBT rights (his public record) and that he is more comfortable around Gays than any other candidate should be Matt's highest priority.  If you don't think his public record and the fact that his public record genuinely springs from a non-Homophobia, then you should say so - although your first post to me seems to say just the opposite. 

What your most recent post displays is, that despite all your bluster, you engage in exactly the type of reactionary thought process you try to put on others.  To accuse people who support Obama because of his correct judgement of the Iraq situation prior to the War as being cultists is the same type of politics and thought process the most extreme on the right practice.  You always go for the ad hom attacks if anyone confronts you.  It's boring, it's tired and old, and hopefully seeing it's final days.


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I'm Confused! (4.00 / 1)
Are you trying to refute my point?  Or prove it?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Maybe he's trying to find (0.00 / 0)
your point?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Right on (0.00 / 0)
Activists and liberals don't think Obama can beat Clinton, but they also no longer see a reason to care.

That seems right.  Edwards has been creating some clear contrasts, but it's a question of whether it's enough to win.  For progressives though Edwards is the best choice to actually make a difference and vote for a progressive.


as much as it sucks, choosing an "ex-gay" (4.00 / 3)
to sing and preach at a gathering of black evangelicals may not have been such a stupid idea. the problem is that obama's advisors misunderestimated the blogging community's anger at homophobia, and the way in which the traditional media will take any manufactured or other kind of controversy and run with it.  if he'd done this pre-blogosphere, it would've gone right under the radar, and more importantly, helped obama with the black churchgoing vote. which in SC, i would imagine is rather significant, and greatly surpasses the potential blog/progressive voter base in number. so while i decry obama's choice in this matter and remain unimpressed by his calls for "dialogue," i understand why strategically, he and his advisors may have thought it a good idea at the time.

people who want to understand the black/gay situation today should read this thread. it's about some black gay folks who are (sort of and only semiseriously) mocking the black greeks system by imitation. not a big deal, one would think. but it is the longest running set of comments we've ever had, and to this day still brings in readers who are outraged about gays and greeks. i offer it because it contains a lot of the confused thinking that is unfortunately common in some elements of the black community and homosexuality.

the black gay youth i've worked with are very, very different than their churchgoing elders. and most black folks will admit that there is a great deal of gay in their churches, some will say they're alright with it, others will spout the homophobe line. but i have perceived, both in my work and in my life as a black gay person, that the younger generation is much less upset about homosexuals than the older one. just as fewer young people are interested in traditional black church life. indeed, i can't think of a single churchgoing black friend under 40 who  is a homophobe or attends chuch where such is tolerated. unfortunately, the church-vote machine is still in place in the black community, and older folks still vote with greater regularity than the younger crowd. i have a friend in Divinity school, a black man who studies these things, and it's worth noting that he is concerned about the amount of under the table/radar monies being given to big name black preachers by republicans, with the direction to emphasize homophobia to their congregations.


that has got to be (0.00 / 0)
the most interesting comment section I've read in a long time. Quite refreshing given how much the "white" progressive blogosphere is mostly preaching to the choir.

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I'm Puzzled (4.00 / 1)
why you think it might not have been such a stupid idea. (Nice to see you here, btw.)

What does it add that he's a homophobic nut job?  What would be lost by filling his slot with someone else, equally devout, but unbigotted?

If Obama thinks he needs to prove his black authenticity vs. Clinton by adding a noted homophobe to his lineup, then hasn't he already admitted defeat?  Isn't he in effect saying, "I admit it, she's blacker than me, unless I go the low road"?  (How weird is that?)

The word "lame" doesn't even begin to cover this.  He's actually underscoring his own insecurity as an "authentic black"--something that no one other than he could do to damage his own image.

In fact, I'm not even convinced he has any such insecurity, psychologically.  But he surely does in the realm of political calculus.  And just what does that disconnect say about the underlying notion of "authenticity," not as a black man, but simply as a human being?  And even moreso as a someone trying to be a "different kind of politician"?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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i don't get it (4.00 / 1)
for all the ado about McLurkin i still haven't seen any examples of his famous bigotry.

"God delivered me from homosexuality"?
is that supposed to take me aback? did he say anything about ENDA? no? then who gives a fuck?

i'm an atheist and a strong supporter of gay rights by word and pocketbook. i don't get why some gospel singer's negative *personal* experience with homosexuality is so troublesome. to each his own. no one has claimed that obama's camp included McLurkin in order to give him a platform to promote his *personal* religious views. so the whole episode can pretty clearly be accounted as yet another phoney gotcha moment.

i couldn't be more pleased that obama has refused to fire him. in contrast with edwards, who surrendered almost immediately in a bogus controvery over amanda marcotte, it's nice to see a dem candidate who is not held captive by such bullshit.


Re: i don't get it (0.00 / 0)
is that supposed to take me aback?

Um, yes. That's exactly the kind of sentiment we can't let a Democratic frontrunner be associated with--it's not bigotry per se (because the guy's not fooling any of us about who he really is), but it encourages bigotry in its audience, and is just plain stupid to boot. Democrats lose credibility when we don't speak the truth, and the truth is simply that McLurkin is a delusional fool.

in contrast with edwards, who surrendered almost immediately in a bogus controvery over amanda marcotte

Untrue; she resigned when it became clear that she would be a lightning rod for further controversy unless she self-censored to an unacceptable extent, and the Edwards campaign handled itself very well. I'm starting to smell either an Obama shill or a "liberal" concern troll.


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uh... (0.00 / 0)
"Homosexuality is a curse" and "gays are trying to kill our children."

Nothing about those two phrases strikes you as homophobic?


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Nah! Nothin' To See Here. Move Along Now... (0.00 / 0)
Just cause I think you're cursed by God doesn't mean nothin.  Why, some of my best friends are...

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I don't get it. (0.00 / 0)
This is a non issue, probably promoted by Clinton because she is in a virtual tie with Obama IN iowA,(SEE LATEST iOWA pOLL)

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Oh dear God!!! (4.00 / 2)


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Don't be naive (4.00 / 4)
It's obviously the result of a conspiracy between the Jews, the Freemasons and Little Green men from Mars.

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Don't Forget The Bavarian Illuminati! (0.00 / 0)
What are they?  Chopped liver?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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This is what I hate: (4.00 / 3)
"I don't think the LGBT community or the Democratic Party is served by being hermetically sealed from the faith community."

Obama is using "faith community" as a euphemism for "bigot community." As a religious liberal, it really pisses me off, that he's using a rightwing talking point and legitimizing the "only conservatives are truly religious" frame.

He should know better than this. That frame has been used against him already, he should know better than to use it against others.

Montani semper liberi


yup (0.00 / 0)
Most Democrats are religious.  In fact a plurality of blog readers are religious.

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Obama offends this Christian (4.00 / 3)
I am profoundly offended, as leftist lesbian Christian frequently involved in interfaith work for justice, that Obama has chosen to join the right in propagating the idea that the "faith-community" is solely the province of haters and homophobes. And dude wants us to know he's a Christian ...

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