One last filibuster reform myth

by: Daniel De Groot

Sun Jan 30, 2011 at 22:00


Chris Bowers has a good, detailed write up on how the Senate rules reform fight happened.  It's good reading for those interested in the tactical and strategy debates for how the netroots can most effectively bring about change and so forth.  Lots of good grist for that in there, including Chris himself backing away because he might be a liability and the impact of the pro-choice groups who came out quietly against reform behind the scenes.

The myth I would like to challenge is that the Republicans will necessarily kill the filibuster themselves on the first day of the next Congress if they take the majority in 2012.  Not very likely.

Daniel De Groot :: One last filibuster reform myth
The Republicans know how useful the current rules are for them and would never give up such an advantage until they had to in order to win some bigger fight.  

The filibuster is not a knife that "cuts both ways" - or at least a knife that cuts both ways even close to equally.  Aside from the long history of the thing where it is almost always used in support of conservative aims (really, try to name an important conservative item filibustered by liberal Senators, I have to go back to Huey Long to even find a candidate worth discussing), the filibuster theoretically favours conservatives for two big reasons:

First that since conservatives tend to represent the interests of the wealthy and powerful, these interests are satisfied to have government do nothing as they have enough power already to go about their business of acquiring more power and wealth.  They will gladly accept government help when they can get it, but they don't usually need it.  Mostly what the filibuster is good for is vetoing measures that would see government act to help the powerless which always comes at expense of the powerful.

Second is that most conservative priorities can already be passed under reconciliation rules, which circumvent the filibuster for "budget" items (like tax cuts).  There was a lot of discussion about what parts of the health care reform could or should have been passed under reconciliation.  The existence of that debate became obvious cover for conservadems to oppose using reconciliation for the public option or other liberal ideas for the bill, meanwhile Bush's tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 were both passed using reconciliation.  

So even before we get to discussions of the gutlessness, cowardice or just plain believing in conservativism on the part of too many Democratic Senators we already have the filibuster as a loaded die before the players even reach the table.

The 2005 filibuster fight over judicial nominees tells us how this fight will really go:  Republicans will end the filibuster if necessary to get the things they want.  When they threatened to do so, enough Democrats backed down and gave them what they wanted so that it wasn't necessary.  Even then they weren't going to nuke the entire filibuster, but rather the artificial category of "judicial" filibusters they invented out of whole cloth so that they could preserve legislative filibusters which advantage them so much.

Of course it would have been much better for the Democrats if they had let the Republicans do this, since many many more of Obama's lower court nominees would have been confirmed and Democrats wouldn't have let down the netroots when they failed to filibuster Alito since no such thing would be possible.  In exchange, the same horrible Bush nominees that were confirmed would have been confirmed.  Zero downside, much upside.

Don't get me wrong, if a bill repealing Social Security is on the table and the filibuster is the last obstacle to President Gingrich signing it, they'll nuke it in a flash, but they won't do it on the first day of Congress or any such thing.  They know they can use the nuclear option whenever needed and they know the "process" stories written about such an event will only be followed by a small fraction of the nation anyway.


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I agree. (4.00 / 1)
The filibuster blocks change, and most of the time corporate and conservative interests don't want change. I'm disgusted with PP, NARAL, and certain unions which gave the Dems cover to oppose even the talking filibuster. Their position is so irrational that I can't even take it seriously.

Liberals have successfully filibustered (4.00 / 4)
After Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, anti-busing legislation championed by Richard Nixon passed the House but was stopped by a Senate filibuster.

The left also filibustered war and military legislation.  The most notable was Mike Gravel's filibuster (including reading some of the Pentagon Papers on the Senate floor) which some credit with forcing a compromise that ended the military draft.  (Before Southern opposition to civil rights legislation, you could make a case that the filibuster was most often a tool of anti-war Senators.)

This helped lead to bipartisan support for reducing the cloture threshold from 67 to 60.  So, I think that history clearly illustrates that the best path towards ending the filibuster is for liberals to use it to annoy conservatives.

If Democrats really wanted to end the filibuster, they would agree to filibuster everything until the rules are changed.  That means being willing to block things like raising the debt ceiling.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


Only thing is... today's Democrats don't want to end the filibuster. (4.00 / 2)
And there are simply not enough liberal Democrats left in the Senate to filibuster anything. My suspicion: there were 27 real votes for the Merkley proposal--the cosponsors--plus 20 free-riders who only supported reform because they knew it wouldn't pass.

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My problem is (0.00 / 0)
There doesn't even seem to be one grand-standing Senator who is willing to be the liberal equivalent of Tom Coburn and Jim DeMint and revel in being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.

I would be satisfied with an agreement to end the filibuster effective January 2013 and make the 2012 presidential election a big fight for all the marbles under the assumption that whichever party wins the White House will probably have a coattail effect that determines control of the Senate.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


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Filibuster is double-edged sword... (4.00 / 1)
Look, regardless of how the filibuster is decided, I do know that if we took our politicians off the payroll of the Fat Cats and put them on a pay-for-performance basis we'd find out damned fast. I don't want them receiving campaign bribes from anyone, not even from the special interests I agree with. Only public funding of campaigns will fix it.

Jack Lohman

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Weren't Democrats mostly for keeping the filibuster back in 2005? (0.00 / 0)
Or was I just dreaming?

The point is, democracy is risky, but it's the only way to go.  If Democrats don't reform the filibuster, we have to get Republicans to do it.  If that means filibustering every damn doggone thing when Republicans have a trifecta, so be it.  We can return to sanity once the filibuster is reformed.


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