Is He Or Isn't He? Ron Paul, Racism And Straight Talk

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 06:19



Beginning in 1985, Ron Paul put out an 8-page newsletter that only went to a small list of subscribers and has left barely any trace in the public record.  But the trace it has left is clearly racist. Paul has not only refused to make additional copies available for public scrutiny, but he has also disavowed the offensive copy that has come to light, saying it was written by a ghostwriter, and therefore he shouldn't be held accountable for it.

The notion that he's not responsible for something published in his name is clearly absurd.  And the racism is unmistakeable.  Thus, we have clear evidence that Paul is anything but the "straight shooter" he claims to be.  And he's either a flat-out racist himself, or else has simply been willing to exploit and encourage the racism of others.

There is nothing new to this story.  The old newspaper copy came out during his 1996 run to return to Congress, and it was written about--sympathetically--by the Texast Monthly back in October, 2001.  It has also cropped up a number of different times this year, for instance, back in early June at Orcinus in a diary by Sara Robinson, "Six Impossible Things Before Breakfast".  The ability of Paulistas to pretend this story doesn't exist rivals anything the Bushies ever did in the way of denial.  Details on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: Is He Or Isn't He? Ron Paul, Racism And Straight Talk
Story In Nutshell

Realchange.org's section, "Ron Paul's Skeleton Closet" contains a concise introduction to the story:

Since 1985, Ron Paul has published a newsletter, first called the Ron Paul Political Report (and since renamed the Ron Paul Survival Report.)

In 1992, the newsletter published a bunch of inflammatory comments on racial subjects, listed in the Quotes section of this page. Pretty raw stuff.

The quotes cited are:

"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul, 1992

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - Ron Paul, 1992

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." - Ron Paul, 1992

"What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?" - Ron Paul, 1992

Realchange.org's account continues:

In 2001, as Paul moved to the mainstream and rejoined the Republican party, he disavowed these comments and blamed them on an unnamed ghostwriter. But when Paul ran for Congress in 1996, as a Libertarian, his opponent brought these up to show that Paul had fringe ideas. At that time, Paul told the Houston Chronicle that he opposed racism and his commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." In other words, he didn't deny writing the Ron Paul column in the Ron Paul newsletter, profits of which go to Ron Paul, until many years later. Then he claimed that his campaign aides thought it would be "too confusing" to tell the truth, so he had to lie and accept responsibility.

Whichever story is true, he's clearly responsible for the contents of that newsletter and pretty squirrelly about the whole thing.

This account is damning enough in its own right, but it's actually only part of the story.  While it really does seem possible that Paul harbors no racial animus, he clearly doesn't "get it"--passive participation in this sort of racist slander is, if anything, even more reprehensible if one clearly knows better.  After all, who was it who said, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"?  Oh, yeah--it was Edmund Burke, the father of modern conservatism.

The Wider Story

The 1996 Houston Chronicle article is here, but most of its contents are summarized above.

Realchange.org cites one other source: "Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?", Free Market News, May 22, 2007, noting "I have no idea if this is a credible source-- the piece is obviously slanted in a very pro-Ron-Paul way -- but the quotes are still interesting. Take it with a grain of salt."

Indeed, it is an extremely interesting account.  The unsigned story quotes only anonymous sources, and refers only to an unidentified entity--or entities:

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist - and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn't even aware of them.

These sources say that editorial operation in question was a fairly large one, and profitable for its time - focused in large part on measures that one could take to generate a lifestyle independent of government influence and intervention.

The publication, or publications, comprised a business venture to which Ron Paul lent his name. Headquarters were "60 miles away" from Ron Paul's personal Texas offices. At the time that the publications were being disseminated, primarily in the 1980s, Ron Paul was involved in numerous activities including Libertarian politics. He eventually ran for U.S. president as a Libertarian.

"This was a big operation," says one source. "And Ron Paul was a busy man. He was doctor, a politician and free-market commentator. A publication had to go out at a certain time and Ron Paul often was not around to oversee the lay out, printing or mailing. Many times he did not participate in the composition, either."

This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a "Ron Paul" column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.

Says one source, "Ron Paul didn't know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them."

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.

So, this is how Ron Paul supporters "clarify" things--with anonymous comments about unnamed entitites which published other people's writing under Ron Paul's byline, but no new release of the underlying documents in question.  And that's supposed to reassure us?  Anyone reading this who's familiar with the long history of G.W. Bush's National Guard obfuscations must surely be having a bad case of "deja vu all over again."

And, of course, Ron Paul, like Bush before him, is a man highly touted for his plain-spoken honesty.  After all, what part of "deja vu all over again" didn't you understand?

The account continues:

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:
    "In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

    "When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

    "His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."

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The operative sentence in the above would seem to be: "What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this." The remarks may well have been seen as out of character because they were not written by Ron Paul, and he had no knowledge of them and no input into their composition, even though he eventually took responsibility for them.

Well, FreeMarketNews.com can chose their "operative sentence," and I'll choose mine.  Mine will come from a paragraph that wasn't quoted--an innocent oversight, I'm sure--the one just before the quited passage from everything2.com:

In one issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he had published since 1985, he called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist." In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." And under the headline "Terrorist Update," he wrote: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

Ah, heck, I don't even need an operative sentence.  I'll settle for an operative fragment: "In another issue."  That's right kiddies, this wasn't a one-time deal.  It happened over a period of time.  Add that to Paul's claim that he liked Barbara Jordan--but not enough to retract the racist slur against her issued in his name--and we begin to get a very clear picture of the man, assuming he is not a racist: a picture of a weak-willed man who probably wished he had principles at his core, the same way he pretended to in public life.  That is, quite frankly, the best possible spin I can credibly imagine putting on Paul's behavior.

Blunderland

After all, in early June, at Orcinus, Sara Robinson explained (in "Six Impossible Things Before Breakfast") that she herself had done newletter writing for hire, which meant that "the client ordered me to produce work carefully-tailored to their own needs, bought that work outright, owned all rights to it, and put their own names on it."

She continued:

So, Paul's facile assertion that somewhere, somehow, a nasty, scheming ghostwriter slipped all those hateful words in under his name is just ridiculous. To swallow this line, you'd have to be as daft as the White Queen, perfectly willing to believe half a dozen impossible things before breakfast:

  1. That the ghostwriter who wrote The Ron Paul Survival Report was never really under Ron Paul's control

  2. That somebody other than Ron Paul put their money on the line to pay the writer (these things don't come cheap -- I charged a minimum of $1K per page for my copy, and his was eight pages per issue).

  3. And, by extension: that somebody other than Ron Paul owns the resulting intellectual property. (It'd be interesting to see what would happen if some other right wingnut started plagarizing those articles.)

  4. That Ron Paul never read, commented on, or approved what was written for the newsletter that bore his name -- and was so critical to building his early political base

  5. That The Ron Paul Survival Report was written, laid out, published, and shipped during the night by elves, with no input from Paul at all

  6. That Ron Paul actually had nothing whatsoever to do with the Survival Report. Apparently, his name ended up in the title as some kind of perverse coincidence. He was out of town that day. All those days.

Now, I have to admit that when I first read Sara's diary, I was utterly convinced by it that Ron Paul's story was a load of hooey.  But now I'm not so sure. I think of another fictional character--Chauncy Gardner from Being There.  As Judy Tenuta would say, "It could happen."  After all, Ron Paul's political notions are so wildly divorced from reality, why shouldn't he be wildly divorced from reality in his everyday life as well?

Still, after the whole G.W. Bush experience, "deja vu all over again" really doesn't cut. It would--quite frankly--be even more devastating if Ron Paul had simply sleep-walked through all of this.  It's not an excuse.  It's an indictment.

But, Wait!  There's More!

What makes all the above even more interesting/bizarre/unbelievable is a conntemporaneous account from the midst of the 1996 race, from the Austin Chronicle, which is a real doozy.  In addition to racist comments cited by others, here's "Ron Paul" advocating for the destruction of the United States!  But not only that, he does so in the name of the Founders:

* "Why do we need the federal government? There's no Cold War and no Communist threat. Many other nations are breaking into smaller and smaller pieces. The centralization of power in Washington occurred in a different time. Why not think about getting rid of the federal government, returning to the system of our Founders, and breaking up the United States into smaller government units?"

Somehow, it's hard to suppress the thought that "Ron Paul"--whoever he was--was confusing Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson Davis.  Hardly something an ordinary person might do.  But when you're just a ghost of yourself, these things just have a way of happening.  Or, mayhe he was quite intentionally referring to Jefferson Davis and company when he wrote about "returning to the system of our Founders."

Whatever the explanation, one thing's for sure: He's no more of straight-shooter than John McCain is a straight-talker. Chancey Gardner does Glenngary Glenn Ross?

But I digress.  My real purpose in bringing up this article is for the further light it throws on the controversial racial quotes. The article notes:

about a dozen volunteers with the partisan political group the 21st Century Democrats protested Paul's August 8 press conference at the Victoria Holiday Inn, where Paul announced a 14-point plan for the district. Though billed as a pledge for no new taxes, the plan took a back seat to the protestors, who carried signs denouncing Paul and requesting that he release his newsletters to the media. Morris [Paul's Democratic opponent] had repeatedly made the same request; while he had already provided the media a smattering of articles received anonymously, there were years of back issues he wanted to see. For months, Paul had responded that it is impossible to dredge up all his old writings, but he told voters that they could request individual copies from his campaign headquarters. However, at the press conference-turned-protest, Paul conceded to pressure from reporters, promising to release all back copies.

But that promise has yet to come to pass. His concealment is easy to figure: The articles that have been leaked have been an embarrassment for Paul. In one 1992 article, Paul labeled the illustrious congresswoman Barbara Jordan, now deceased, a "moron" and "fraud" whose accomplishments depended on her race and sex. Paul now explains that he's been wronged -- his "academic, tongue-in-cheek" opinions have been stripped of their context. But when the Victoria Advocate requested the entire copy of the newsletter, promising to publish its entirety, he refused that too.

So, what we have here is a continuing pattern of refusing to come clean--promising to, but then reneging, and offering a third contradictory explanation for his embarrasing remarks--" his 'academic, tongue-in-cheek' opinions have been stripped of their context."  He almost sounds like a Harvard/Yale man, like, well, you know who that would be.

There's a whole lot more juicy material in this Austin Chronicle article.  Like, for instance, his full-throated Militia of Montana-style advice about how to hide your money from ZOG IRS:

Then there's his paranoia about the expansion of the federal government. In a letter to subscribers of his Survival Report entitled "Forfeiture Alert" and addressed "Dear Frightened Reader," Paul warns that the government has unleashed "forfeiture squads" to acquire the assets of unsuspecting Americans. He advises the readers to purchase two books that offer legal advice on how to safely move money across the U.S. border, how to "buy and sell gold privately without leaving a paper trail for the IRS to follow," and how to avoid transactions that "label you a money launderer." If you follow the advice, it will "make it difficult or impossible for bureaucrats... to know what you have and where you have it," and will allow you to "bulletproof from seizure those assets you can't hide."

One might well suppose that if that was the "normal" sort of material "Ron Paul" sent out, then it's much more understandable how the racial slurs got through. 

It's also much more understandable how Ron Paul got associated with all those racists, nativists and militia types--he was actively pandereing to them for years.  Or possibly worse, he let others do so using his name for an undisclosed amount of money.

Whatever the real reason, one thing is for certain: Ron Paul has still not told the straight story about what he was doing all those years.  He's still hiding his past, just like G.W. Bush.

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for this expose. I've run into too many people who think Ron Paul is some sort of hero, and I just don't get it. He's scary! Unfortunately the MSM never picks up on the tedious details of candidate Paul, and many are willing to jump on Paul's bandwagon based on the hype over his grassroots campaign.
 

conservatism in the democratic party (0.00 / 0)
I think it shows just how conservative the netroots is that they latch onto this stuff. 

They are often really really conservative and deny the racist statements associated with the candidates they like


Mitt, W's "smarter brother" (4.00 / 1)
Let's go after Mitt Romney before the Republicans have a chance to establish his "reputation" out of whole cloth.  Unlike Paul, he has a very good chance of being the Republican nominee and at least some chance of being President.  Comments made after he's the presumptive nominee will be pooh pahed and ignored by the corporate media as "Democrat" propaganda no matter how factually correct and Republicans to date have shown no interest or ability to fight back from Mitt's slanders.

Romney is, in so many ways, George W. Bush's 'smarter brother.

Like Bush his father ran for President and was a prominent office holder (Governor of Michigan, cabinet member).

Like Bush, "family friends" included the rich and powerful.  Willard Mitt Romney was named for hotel magnate Willard Marriott, a family friend.

Like Bush, Romney attended elite schools (in his case Stanford and Harvard) and received an MBA degree from Harvard.  (Romney also received a JD and did well in school work).  Unlike W, Romney was a success in business as both a consultant and a venture capitalist.

Like Bush, Romney ran for office in a Democratic area and lost but later was elected Governor.

Like Bush, Romney changed his stories ad nauseum to suit the whims and prejudices of the electorate he was courting.

Like Bush, Romney relies on hate as a key component of his campaign but stays mostly above the fray (gay bashing for Bush, immigrant bashing for Romney who has made that the key of his campaign against both Rudy and Huckabee).

Like W, Romney has received an unusually respectful and compliant media that has not questioned either his line of attack or poked for holes in his story.

Like W, Romney has been aligned with the corporate wing of the Republican Party but has tried to pass himself of as part of the religious wing as well.  Romney's Mormonism has been a problem, here.

Times awasting, Paul.  In 51 days Romney may well be the effective Republican nominee and be much harder to attack.  While he's issuing slime on Rudy and Huckabee, they have either been unwilling or unable to attack the mighty Mitt, secure within corporate America.  We need the counter story, pronto.

PS something over a third of the electorate have no clue about who Mitt Romney is.  That's scary since Romney is a 50/50 shot to win the GOP nomination.  (Is Rudy stupid or did he just hire brain dead strategists.  He isn't even contacting prominent moderates in Iowa per the des Moines Register.)


David ... (0.00 / 0)
Rudy thinks people will vote for him .. just because he's Rudy .. you know .. 9/11 and all that ..  it's dumb .. I agree

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You Have A Point, But (0.00 / 0)
There are people tracking Romney fairly well.  Talking Points Memo, for one, does a pretty good job with the GOP field as a whole.  But Ron Paul gets into territory that normal political reporters don't navigate so well.  It just so happens that David Neiwert, of Orcinus, worked the white supremacist/militia beat as a print reporter for years before turning to blogging, so he knows the terrain inside out.  I've repeatedly read the literature about such groups over a period of decades, and I feel a special obligation to help get the word out and put into a proper context, because I have the right background that enables me to do a decent job of it.

As you've pointed out so well in your littany, Romney is not only richly deserving of serious critical attention, he is also vulnerable to it from people without the specialized background that Neiwart has, and that I am drawing on.

All of which is a longwinded way of saying, why don't you do it?

No, seriously, I mean it.  You are a very thoughtful commentator, who organizes your thoughts a lot better than many bloggers.  You shouldn't hesitate to take the lead in advancing critical analysis of Romney beyond where it is today.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Paul appeals more to Dems and Independents than Romney (4.00 / 1)
True, many of his supporters are N.W.O. black helicopter types, but Paul also has the ability to draw on disaffected leftists who are fed up with the system. These people are willing to back him on his anti-interventionist, anti-totalitarian agenda, while conveniently overlooking his uber-conservative cultural beliefs and anti-government libertarian purism. Hence the sixties-style LOVE Revolution T-shirts for a candidate who would have been the the last person to back any kind of sixties counterculture. So, while I agree with you that Romney has gotten something of a free ride, unmasking Paul merits mention in a forum like this.

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Sorry (0.00 / 0)
That reply should have been to David rather than to Paul:)

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Ron Paul Staffers (4.00 / 1)
I have some additional understanding of this situation, as a libertarian Democrat and someone who knows some Ron Paul staffers, past and present.

When the story first emerged online recently, and the explanation was given that Ron Paul let a ghostwriter get out of control, I was willing to give Paul the benefit of the doubt.

Not because I'm some naive libertarian Ron Paul worshiper.

But because I've worked on campaigns and I understand sometimes how "candidate" newsletters are written by a press shop and are never shown to the candidate. 

Sara Robinson's experiences do not jive with my own.

Because I know some past Ron Paul staffers, including one who has a high likelihood of being that ghostwriter, and I do unfortunately know that the Ron Paul campaign has attracted racists, bigots, etc.  This Ron Paul staffer in particularly routinely has threatened me because I am a libertarian who supports the Democratic Party.

That Ron Paul's presidential campaign has attracted racist support is a fact, but not something I hold against Ron Paul personally.  That his former staffers included such individuals is more damaging.  Racist ghostwriters, amateurish finance staffers who don't think to do background checks, etc.  Ron Paul's campaign is nothing like what you'd find in the other presidential candidates.

If you look at Ron Paul's actions, denying the statements but taking moral responsibility, I do see a man who regrets how things got out of control.  But instead of throwing the ghostwriter or a press secretary or a campaign manager under the bus, he's taking the hit.

There is a reason why I am a libertarian within the Democratic Party.  There are reasons why libertarian friendly liberals like Ron Chusid (http://www.liberalva...) are not Ron Paul fans.  Like too many other old school libertarians in the Republican Party, Ron Paul has made certain pacts, certain decisions, in how he approaches issues like social policy (federalism and deevolution to the state vs. a more expensive view of the 14th Amendment) and immigration (Tancredo like instead of full open borders). 

But at the same time, despite all his bumblings, inexperience, and poor decisions, Ron Paul is doing surprisingly well.  You may want to argue that his appeal to voters is because he is racist and a social conservative.  I still believe, although this is based on anecdotal experience and nothing empirical, that his appeal also is grounded in his opposition to imperialism and the Iraq War.  Which is encouraging to me, a libertarian Democrat, who wants the Democratic Party to stand up more on foreign policy.


Your Kool Aid, Sir! Shaken, or Stirred??? (4.00 / 1)
I have some additional understanding of this situation, as a libertarian Democrat and someone who knows some Ron Paul staffers, past and present.

When the story first emerged online recently, and the explanation was given that Ron Paul let a ghostwriter get out of control, I was willing to give Paul the benefit of the doubt.

Not because I'm some naive libertarian Ron Paul worshiper.

But because I've worked on campaigns and I understand sometimes how "candidate" newsletters are written by a press shop and are never shown to the candidate.

Sara Robinson's experiences do not jive with my own.

Except for one itty-bitty detail: this wasn't a "candidate" newsletter.  It was--as clearly indicated by the time-frames involved--a money-making operation that Ron Paul ran for years--for years after leaving Congress, when he apparently had no further political ambitions, feeding red meat to the rightwing fringe.  Furthermore, Ron Paul's own story--now, at least--is that he did fire the staffer involved.

So Sara Robinson's experiences are directly relevant.  And you can't even read.

But, thanks for demonstrating so clearly how impervious to evidence you are.

Oh, wait.  We already knew that. After all, you're a libertarian.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Paul (0.00 / 0)
This newsletter overlapped with a period of time in which Ron Paul ran for the Presidency of the United States of America.

I don't see how you can argue that Paul had "no further political ambitions."

And I never said that Ron Paul didn't fire the staffer, I said he didn't throw the staffer under the bus by revealing his name and dumping all the blame on him.

I have an understanding both of the amateurish nature of Ron Paul's campaign and enterprises, and the sort of people he has employed in the past.

I cannot believe you responded with such hostility toward a response that largely agreed with you.

You talk about the world having more than just black and white, but every time you respond to me you do so negatively and with great hostility.  Even when I'm trying to agree with you or point you in the direction of posts and the like that you might be interested in.


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If This Is What Agreement Looks Like, Who Needs Arguments??? (0.00 / 0)
Though I must say, it's always amusing to argue with someone who so eagerly and thoroughly refutes himself.  In martial arts like Aikido you have to train for years to learn how to get folks to do that. But here, all I have to do is show up.

Out of deep appreciation for this service you provide, I will now answer one question:

This newsletter overlapped with a period of time in which Ron Paul ran for the Presidency of the United States of America.

I don't see how you can argue that Paul had "no further political ambitions."

Answer:  Because I research and read.

Texas Monthly; Oct2001, Vol. 29 Issue 10, p96, 6p, "DR. NO" (via EBSCO magazine database, courtesy of Long Beach Public Library):

Paul served four terms in Congress, during which time he usually voted no, and sponsored dozens of bills that were instantly consigned to oblivion and a few, such as one that would have set term limits, that were ahead of their time. In 1984 he took his own advice and term-limited himself, made a hopeless run against Phil Gramm in the Republican Senate primary, then retired to doctoring-which he had kept doing the whole time anyway, seeing patients and delivering babies on Mondays and Saturdays for all of his eight years in Congress. He was then 49, had a prospering practice, and had no particular political ambitions. As always, he refused to take Medicare or Medicaid money from patients (he worked out a cash payment or did not charge them). He didn't believe in the welfare state, so why take its money?

FOR REASONS THAT EVEN HE CANNOT QUITE EXPLAIN, IN 1987 Run Paul became the Libertarian party's candidate for president of the United States. Though his positions on most issues are identical to those of the Libertarians (abortion being the main exception), Paul admits that this was a strange, almost Sisyphean move, considering his prospects for victory. "I probably invested close to a year," he says. "It was a lot of time and effort. Sometimes I had some ambivalence about how productive it was."

As it turned out, it was hugely productive but not in ways that Paul could see then. Though he got less than one percent of the vote in the 1988 presidential election, he managed to unite a vast network of true believers--not only staunch Libertarians, but also anti-gun control folks, fiscal conservatives, home-schoolers, right-to-lifers, school prayer advocates, isolationists, and people who generally felt that the U.S. government was veering out of control. Their financial support would become a key factor in Paul's return to congressional politics.



"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Let Me Get This Straight (0.00 / 0)
You believe Ron Paul's claim, and the claims of his supporters, that he had no political ambitions before deciding to run for the Presidency of the United States.

But you don't believe his claims, and the claims of his supporters, that he is not trying to court racists.

You are selectively deciding what you are going to believe based on what supports your world view.


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No, You Simpleton (0.00 / 0)
There is corroborating evidence for his professed lack of specific political ambition at the time he started his newsletter, and no particular reason for him to lie about it. I believe the totality of the evidence.

There is overwhelming evidence against his professed innocence of courting racists, and every reason in the world for him to lie about it. I believe the totality of the evidence.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Why (0.00 / 0)
Does ever response from you to someone who disagrees with you have to include insults?

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Why Does Every Response From You Evade The Primary Issue? (0.00 / 0)
Don't be such a narcissist, FD.  You're almost in a class all by yourself.  But that makes you atypical, not prototypical.

I disagree with pretty much everybody to some degree or another.  It's just that most folks I disagree with focus intensely on substance, so you don't even notice we are disagreeing.

You, however, have an instinct for the capillary.  Avoiding the main point like a plague, you seek to duck the main thrust of my arguments, only to find yourself slipping on a series of ever-more improbable bannana peels.  Since I've tried, and failed repeatedly in the past, to engage you in serious substantive argument, I just figure I ought to enjoy the show, if I can.

And I'm happy to say, I can.  I hope others do as well.

I am a man of many moods.  If you want to be treated seriously, here's a clue: start acting the part.  Get you some facts. Pronto.  Stop running on sheer speculation, and doing bad impressions of cheap, desperate TV lawyers with your lame argumentative style.

I'm not holding my breath, mind you.  But, as Judy Tenuta would say, "It could happen."

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Does it make you feel tough (0.00 / 0)
to insult people on a comment board? A little bulge in you pants perhaps?

Anyway, this is silly. Ron Paul took responsibility for those words even though he said they weren't his. Its happened before, certainly he's not the first politician to say something he didn't mean or have something attributed to him he didn't say.

Specifically, to your point that Paul had 'no political ambitions' and apparently plenty of time to oversee the publication of this newspaper, that's simply not true. He had his FREE Foundation, which he funnelled his left-over campaign finances into, he was an avid and active 'gold bug' and investor and, of course, he had babies to deliver.

That he let the Survivalist Guide go to print without more oversight is not so much a tell on his character as it is on his management skills or lack thereof.

That we have to go all the way back to the 80s to find 'dirt' on Ron Paul is a good thing about him. Rudy Giuliani's dirt keeps falling from the sky, John McCain's made front-page news when it was coming out (Keating 5, the POW issue, etc) and Mitt Romney tried to put himself to the left of Teddy Kennedy on camera (1994 Senate race).


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All we have to do is look at his... (0.00 / 0)
....legislative 'record'. He's a racist whackjob who believes in Social Darwinism.

Thanks but I will take a pass on thinking he's the answer to the nation's prayers.

Besides I don't believe in  the efficacy of prayer.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Quite The Racist Apologist, Aren't We? (0.00 / 0)
Anyway, this is silly. Ron Paul took responsibility for those words even though he said they weren't his.

This is deeply misleading, as I make clear in my diary. 

In 2001, Texas Monthly wrote:

"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.'"

That's what he did during the race in 1996.  Then, during the interview that went into reporting the story in 2001, Ron Paul suddenly changed his story. That's when he suddenly said, out of the blue, that someone else wrote it:

"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. [Emphasis added]

So, five years after the fact, he changes his story, and you present it like he's a standup guy!

What color is your Kool Aid?

Its happened before, certainly he's not the first politician to say something he didn't mean or have something attributed to him he didn't say.

More misleading BS.  All Gore never said he inventeed the Internet.  He never put out any literature saying he invented the Internet.  Those were words falsely attributed to him.

But Ron Paul's words weren't attributed to him by others.  They were put out in his literature, and when they came to light, he refused to disavow them.  He only disavowed them five years later. To speak as if they are comparable to the many lies about what Al Gore said is simply a fraud on your part.

Specifically, to your point that Paul had 'no political ambitions' and apparently plenty of time to oversee the publication of this newspaper, that's simply not true. He had his FREE Foundation, which he funnelled his left-over campaign finances into, he was an avid and active 'gold bug' and investor and, of course, he had babies to deliver.

"I'm not a racist.  I'm just very, very busy."

Yeah, that's the ticket!

But, of course, I never said anything about how busy Ron Paul was.  I was simply refuting FD's made up, false assertion that his newsletter was campaign literature.

So, not just a lame excuse for putting out racist literature, but a straw man argument, too.

That he let the Survivalist Guide go to print without more oversight is not so much a tell on his character as it is on his management skills or lack thereof.

Except, of course, that--as I already noted in the diary--this didn't just happen in a single issue.  It happened overe and over and over again:

In one issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he had published since 1985, he called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist." In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point:

The Austin Chronicle published a collection of quotes from different issues it had managed to get ahold of.

That we have to go all the way back to the 80s to find 'dirt' on Ron Paul is a good thing about him.

We don't "have to go all the way back to the 80s to find 'dirt' on Ron Paul."  That's just where the mother lode can be found.  But he's associating with that same crowd, and they're still wildly supportive of him--including Stormfront and David Duke--as David Neiwert and Sara Robinson have made clear over at Orcinus.  Furthermore, he's had a chance to repudiate their support, and he has refused.

In short, you're just another Pauliac robot who's never posted on this site before, and now you show up peddling the same tired lies that this diary was written to refute, and you use the same tired old approach: repeat your lies, ignore the evidence presented, repeat your lies, attack straw men, repeat your lies, and, oh, yes, did I mention "repeat your lies"?  Well, yes: repeat your lies.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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This is stupid. (0.00 / 0)
I'm not gonna fall into a circular argument with you.

Yes he said one thing in 1996 and then five years later repudiated it, explained why he explained it that way then and took responsibility for it. That's what I said, then you said its misleading and basically said the same thing.

I mean you highlight the quote for me: 'I could never say this in the campaign.'

My Kool Aid, by the way, is red, because Fruit Punch is the best.

You bring up Al Gore completely out of the blue. Why would this be who I was referring to? For the record the Vice President said: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Doesn't take a hack to rehash that to look bad.

As to your silly 'not in a single issue' comment, so management mishaps are one-off deals. Bush's only fuck up was Katrina? No, mismanagement comes into a string of failures.

I suppose all the African-Americans supporting Ron Paul are just deluded then?

When it comes down to it, its unfortunate that not one of the Democratic candidates talk about issues like the 'inflation tax' which targets poor people and the middle class by debasing the currency. You may not know it from whatever cushy ivory tower you are in, but the expression that all prices go up by your paycheck is always the last to follow is based on fact. Whatever the CPI is, whatever the poverty index is (and we all know that is so contrived; there's a national income line to determine poverty even though in NYC the cost of living is significantly higher than in, say, Mississippi), working people all over this country are getting hurt by stupid i-bankers who make their money on the 1% commission for pulling capital into funds that then go bust, and come running to the Fed for a bail out, thus avoiding ever having to learn their lessons. I wish next time I was short on rent I had influential friends in Washington who could bail ME out.

I find this site interesting, yes, I found it after your hit-piece on Ron Paul, but hey, you knew putting a piece on him would attract a lot of attention because everyone from Glenn Beck to you do it to get that all mighty click-through traffic. Guess what though, its my left too and I'm here to stay :-p

Maybe we'll get lucky and Obama or Hillary or, ugh, Edwards, will actually take a page from Ron about the inflation tax and alleviating the pressure on the poor instead of promising more government aid and 'change' when they build 15 million dollar homes. (And yes, it does fracking matter when you claim to hold the mantle of the working poor in this country but cannot be the change you espouse; don't drive an SUV to your speech at Riverside in NY, Godforbid take a subway, you've got security. Don't build a 15 million dollar ranch, you can buy a huge house for a million. These things DO matter, because change has to begin with us. And when our leaders cannot espouse that how can we ask the people to?)


[ Parent ]
You Need To Take Your Meds (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, dude.

Stream of consciousness, si!

Scream of unconsciousness, not so much.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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priorities (0.00 / 0)
I've spent a week hearing from the man institution in CA that our time should be spent fighting the GOP, not holding Dems accountable. So it strikes me as interesting that I'd rather have you devoting such research on Hillary.

I'd like to see the Paul get bigger, I don't get the math of taking him down now. When I was the token liberal for a radio show in Montana in the mid 90's (think freeman and Militia of Montana and the Unabomer) most of the callers were Ron Paul type people, so I think I have a firm grasp on their situation.

They are going to fracture the GOP, not by getting more people to be racist (this is the GOP), but by forcing the debate on how the GOP is no longer conservative.

Coming all the way back around, I might think you're doing a great job of raising his profile for the ends I spoke of in paragraphs 2 and 3.

It kinda hurts my head to think about it...

Bob Brigham Blog


Many Threads (0.00 / 0)
I might agree with you if this was just one of three talking head shows on network tv.  But since it's not, no worries.  It has a very specific purpose to fulfill, and doesn't really compete with other purposes.  It's not a zero-sum universe.

So, to be clear: I'm not talking to the Republican base.  This series was initiated in response to Glenn Greenwald's continued resistence to looking squarely at Paul's actual record.  I want to nail down some very specific points, and have them archived here for folks to be able to draw on as they need.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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There is nothing original (0.00 / 0)
about this entry, anyway. Its all available on the internetz.

http://sayanythingbl...

http://pennsylvaniap...

http://wonkette.com/...

There's plenty more, too. But hey, why give links out when you can just rehash what's already been cycled through the 'blogosphere' and get extra traffic while you're at it?

It wasn't the content that compelled me to respond so much as your snarky attitude.

And its my left too, especially if its an open left, so hopefully I'll 'see' you again :-) kthnxbye!


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And After You Take Your Meds... (0.00 / 0)
put on your glasses. I had plenty of links.

This whole thing started because I pointed Glenn Greenwald to some diaries at Orcinus, which he didn't pay sufficient attention to.  And, since I've been reading Orcinus for years, that's naturally where I linked to here.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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