Nomination at a Glance: How Large Is Clinton's Lead?

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 12:46:43 PM EDT


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State polls taken from June 13th through July 18th

Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
State Est. Date # Polls Clinton Obama Edwards Richardson
Net Avail Cash Mar 31 Q1 $30M $33.1M $11.7M $7M
Iowa December 4 24.5% 17.3% 27.5% 8.8%
New Hampshire December 5 35.6% 23.2% 10.8% 9.0%
Nevada Jan 19 2 39.5% 16.5% 14.0% 6.5%
South Carolina Jan 22 2 31.0% 27.5% 17.0% 1.7%
Florida Jan 29 4 40.5% 21.3% 12.3% 4.5%
National Feb 05 NA 36.2% 23.4% 12.0% 3.0%

Given these numbers, right now the only real issue is determining just how far ahead Clinton actually is. Considering the typical poll bounce Democratic candidates receive for first place finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, I have long operated under the assumption that in order for there to even be a chance for her to lose the nomination, she must lose both states. Her national lead is simply too large to not result in Florida, and then February 5th, victories if she gets a further bounce from a win in either Iowa or New Hampshire. As such, the numbers to watch out for when determining Clinton’s lead break down like this:
  1. If she leads Iowa, the nomination is hers to lose.
  2. If she is second in Iowa, the nomination is still hers to lose as long as, in New Hampshire, she is more than 11 points ahead of the candidate leading Iowa. (Note: this is the current scenario.)
  3. If she is third or fourth in Iowa, the nomination is still hers to lose as long as, in New Hampshire, she is more than seven points ahead of the candidate in second in Iowa, and more than eighteen points ahead of the candidate in first in Iowa.
  4. If she fails to meet all of the above three scenarios, and thus loses both Iowa and New Hampshire, she can still win the nomination if Iowa and New Hampshire are won by two different candidates, if she finishes second in Iowa, and if she is more than fifteen points ahead nationally.
In all other scenarios, I would currently forecast that Clinton would not win the nomination. The shortest route to cause one of those scenarios to come to pass would be, first, for her to fall behind Obama in Iowa. She currently leads him by 7% in Iowa, so that would take about 5,500 Clinton caucus goers flipping to Obama. Second, Obama would then have to pull closer than 7.0% in New Hampshire. Since he currently trails Clinton by 12.4% in New Hampshire, he need to flip about 3% of Clinton’s New Hampshire supporters, or about 7,500 primary voters, to his side. So, the absolute smallest expression of Clinton’s advantage is about 13,000 Iowans and New Hampshirites. To put it a different way, Clinton is currently the favorite for the nomination unless Obama gains 8% on her in Iowa, and 6% on her in New Hampshire. Were that to happen, Obama would become a slight favorite for the nomination. At this point, Edwards needs more help. He would need Obama to gain eight points on Clinton in Iowa without falling behind Obama in Iowa himself. Further, he would also need to gain three points on Obama in New Hampshire and eight points on Clinton in New Hampshire.

So, that is how large Clinton’s lead is right now. Decide for yourself just how significant that advantage is. (And no, Nevada is not going to take place between Iowa and New Hampshire. Not. Gonna. Happen.) It is also interesting to note that these scenarios mean Edwards was the favorite for the nomination from December 20-January 31, from April 29-May 15, and again from May 20-May 25, as the New Hampshire projection tables had him sweeping Iowa and New Hampshire during those times, resulting in a national lead. Otherwise, Clinton has been the favorite, as the New Hampshire projection tables have never shown Obama ahead in either Iowa or New Hampshire. (Note: paragraph updated after further research.)

Republican numbers and methodological notes in the extended entry.
Chris Bowers :: Nomination at a Glance: How Large Is Clinton's Lead?
Republican Nomination, At a Glance
State Est. Date # Polls Giuliani Romney Thompson McCain
Net Avail Cash June 30 Q1 $16M $11.5M ??? $0.7M
Iowa December 3 15.7% 24.3% 16.0% 9.7%
New Hampshire December 5 19.4% 27.4% 12.8% 15.8%
Nevada Jan 19 2 19.0% 21.5% 20.5% 12.0%
South Carolina Jan 22 2 21.5% 9.5% 22.0% 15.0%
Florida Jan 29 3 30.0% 8.7% 24.0% 10.3%
National Feb 05 NA 24.8% 9.9% 20.1% 15.3%

That McCain available cash number is not a misprint. In fact, it might be even lower. He has only $3.2M cash on hand, but he also has $1.8M in debts, and has raised at least $700K for the general. Truly, he is toast, but otherwise the Republican horserace, otherwise known as Fredrick Rudolf Von Romney, is too close to call. Giuliani holds a cash and national poll advantage, a strong lead in Florida, a very close second in both South Carolina and Nevada, and maintains second place in New Hampshire. However, he also clearly has a downward polling trajectory, and is way behind Romney in both Iowa and New Hampshire. Then again, a McCain collapse might be to his benefit. Romney has built large leads in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and he even leads in Nevada. However, he has spent far more money than any other candidate in order to accomplish this, seems to have hit a ceiling in at least New Hampshire, and still trails badly in the south. Also, since it hasn’t happened in twenty years, there is no way to know how much winning Iowa would benefit the non-front runner on the Republican side. When it comes to Thompson, while he has an upward poll trajectory, he also did not vault into first upon his entry to the campaign, especially in Iowa and New Hampshire. Poll-wise and media wise, it will only become harder and slower for him to make up ground from here. He has an unknown amount of money, and seems to be something of a regional, southern candidate. That does not bode well for his performance in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Poll and Money Notes
  • Only announced candidates with 5% or more in most polling averages are shown.
  • National polling averages taken from Pollster.com. All early state polls can also be found at Pollster.com.
  • “Net Available Cash” equals cash on hand minus debts minus amount raised for general election. More information can be found at Open Secrets. Current numbers are not precise, as all data is not yet available.
  • For Democrats, early state polls that only include Clinton, Edwards and Obama in the questions were not included.
  • For Democrats, early state polls that include Gore in the question were only included when Gore-less results were unavailable. One Florida poll included Gore.
  • February 5th is not actually a national primary, but due to the large number of states holding nomination events on that date, national polls are used as a placeholder.
Calendar notes
  • I am currently projecting both Iowa and New Hampshire to take place in December of 2007. Currently, the two states are working together, behind the scenes, in order to secure that they are first. Given that Iowa wants to take place eight days before New Hampshire, given that New Hampshire wants to take place seven days before any other non-Iowa state, and given that Nevada is scheduled to take place on January 19, 2008, that means the latest Iowa could be held is Friday, January 4th, 2008. Since Iowa is obviously not going to hold their caucuses either that close to New Year's, much less on a Friday, at this point December seems practically a foregone conclusion. Basically, we are now five months from the Iowa caucus, so anyone who was still doing so can stop saying it is way too early to talk about this stuff.

  • Interestingly, Michigan is currently looking at five possible dates: February 9th, January 12th, January 5th, December 15th, and December 8th. They could very well move up after Iowa and New Hampshire announce the December move. I bet they move up to January 12th, but given the wide range of possibilities (not to mention the lack of recent Michigan polls), it is best to wait for more info before including Michigan in this table. Still, no matter if, where and when Michigan moves, Iowa and New Hampshire will be first. They are willing to hold events in November, or even October, if that is what it takes to stay first.

  • South Carolina, currently scheduled for January 29th on the Democratic side and February 2nd on the Republican side, has also threatened to move ahead of Florida, which is scheduled for January 29th. It would be a real shock if South Carolina did not move up.

  • Ohio might move its primary to January 29th.
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Too Early to Decide (0.00 / 0)
I asked my son who just finished up at UF for his Masters who he would support for the democratic nomination, and he says he don't know nothing about what is going on and he thinks that most people don't even care right now.  I have been so focused on the race that I assume that everyone else is too.  But the truth is probably only 10% of democrats are decided on who they will vote for.  After the fall when Gore decides for sure not to run, we will have a better idea of who is really winning.  I support Edwards and I still think that he will win the primary, but I am biased.  By the way, when I pushed my son he says that he is for Edwards too.  Ha!Ha!

Not as early as you may think (0.00 / 0)
A good guess says that the Iowa caucuses take place on or before December 10th, making them less than five months away. As soon as Iowa and New Hampshire announce their dates, the campaign will go into hyperspeed almost instantly. And that should happen within the next few weeks.

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IMHO... (0.00 / 0)
...A primary or caucus 2 weeks before Christmas seems like a terrible idea. The 10th is directly in between Thanksgiving and X-mas. And is, of course, a weekday, which compounds the badness of that idea. I wonder who would benefit most from low turnout?

(Then again, a few days after the New Year doesn't seem like such a hot idea either)

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November wouldn't work well either (0.00 / 0)
They don't have much in the way of good options, but they are going first come hell or high water. They are determined to do so.

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That just means (0.00 / 0)
People who wait until Labor Day to pay attention will be less informed when they vote...

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There's a part of me that wishes that Vermont (0.00 / 0)
would just move their primary to December 1st, just to annoy the hell out of Iowa and New Hampshire, and to put the lie to their bullshit about retail politics and their unique role in the US politics. 

Also, wouldn't one assume that Obama's actual caucus support in Iowa probably trails his polling support relative to Edwards and Clinton?  Edwards is known for having a good Iowa ground game, and Clinton, being the establishment candidate, probably has her share of support from the people in the local ground game.  Does Obama have a solid ground organization in Iowa? 

Also, Edwards is currently twenty five points back from clinton.  If he can cut that to eighteen or seventeen, and if clinton finishes third in Iowa, doesn't he qualify for scenario number three above?  Has he maxed out his support in NH or something? 


Updates (0.00 / 0)
I updated the post to explain what Edwards need to move into a slight, 1% lead first in New Hampshire, and then nationally after New Hampshire.

And I wish someone would stop Iowa and New Hampshire too, but as long as it is controlled by the states, they will never allow anyone else to go first.

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Obama's problems in Iowa are different (0.00 / 0)
Obama has something like 28 field offices in Iowa and an army of field organizers. His people are everywhere there is a summer festival that attracts environmentalists or other progressives. His campaign will be training activists from Illinois to regularly visit Iowa towns to canvass for him.

His problem will not be organization.

Obama has two problems: first, a lot of the precincts in Iowa have very few residents under age 35. He needs to bring up his numbers among older voters.

Second, and related to the first, is that Obama's support may be concentrated in a few areas (college towns, neighborhoods with a significant youth or minority population).

Because the Iowa caucuses reward candidates with broad support across the state, Obama could pull even with Edwards and Clinton in polls, yet remain behind in delegate counts because his supporters are packed into fewer precincts.

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Thank you (0.00 / 0)
I haven't lived in the midwest for a few years, but I know that the situation in the ground is at least as important in Iowa as the poll numbers are.  Thanks for filling everyone in.

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More interesting to me (0.00 / 0)
The question to me which is more interesting is "given the lead Clinton has, how can second-tier candidates and their supporters reduce it?" After all, polling may be vague, but if you can go out and do something to change levels of support, that's real.

People do keep saying that most people haven't thought about it much or made up their minds yet, but I'm not sure that helps much. I keep suspecting a lot of people, by the time the primary comes, will still not have thought about it much, and will go from vaguely supporting Clinton to making up their minds for and voting for Clinton still without having thought about it much. I mean, those polling numbers have been remarkably stable this entire year. People have been expecting this entire time there's going to be some magical point where suddenly things dislodge and people start freely changing their minds in either direction. I worry that just waiting for this point to come doesn't sound like such great strategy.

In the meantime, once people do get ready to start "thinking about it" and "making up their minds", what are going to be the things that influence how they make up their minds?


the others will have to make the case (4.00 / 1)
No one wants to be the first to go negative on Hillary, but at some point someone will have to actually make the case against her (she's getting the most money from corporate lobbyists who want to block change, her "plan" on Iraq is farcical, she can't win the general).

Obama is the one with the money to do this most effectively. If he doesn't make the case, someone else may have to spend some money on negative tv ads in Iowa and NH and risk the potential backlash.

Right now most Hillary leaners probably think her policies wouldn't be much different from the others, and they like the idea of Bill back in the White House. Someone is going to have to make the case that Hillary would not be a good candidate for progressive change.

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What about sanctions? (0.00 / 0)
Chris--have you taken the delegate sanctions into consideration? The last time Gov. Dean was in Denver, I specifically spoke to him about IA and NH moving to December or November, thus flouting the calendar the DNC constructed.

He was *really* adamant in saying that the DNC wouldn't count their delegates as valid if they were chosen then. I know that's what's taking place with the FL primary--they're losing their delegation, and that's why neither Edwards nor Obama is seriously contesting FL at this time.

Just a thought.

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They don't care (4.00 / 1)
Iowa and New Hampshire don't have many delegates to start with, and then they are probably right to believe that the DNC will relent after the fact.

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can you discuss ranges again? (0.00 / 0)
It seems like the Iowa bounce has been reduced to an exact number, but doesn't it have a pretty wide range?


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that is a good idea (4.00 / 1)
but not in this post. Took me forever to come up with these scenarios, and I want to make sure I have this right before adding another layer of difficulty. Get one step right before moving on.

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Chris (0.00 / 0)
What earth scattering scenario can you think of that would change the dynamics of this race? Edwards is out there campaigning on poverty.He is more progressive this time around than the front runner, but he is not getting any traction in the national polls.

What in the world is left to talk about? The clintonites have muddled the water and the other candidates acquised. Now the differences are blurry. The average voter may not bother with the nuances.


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for Obama to win (0.00 / 0)
I don't think Obama can win Iowa but he can win New Hampshire. A second place in Iowa and a first place in NH will be his best bet at winning it all.

I agree with you, with the caveat (4.00 / 1)
that Obama can only survive second place in Iowa if Hillary is third or lower.

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endorsements, endorsements, endorsements. (0.00 / 0)
There are a handful of endorsements that will swing the percentage points big time:

Al Gore (the elephant in the room, and when he endorses, he will do it at a time which will not allow his chosen candidate to have TIME to be torn down like last time)
Wesley Clark
Mark Warner

and... if he could, one of the biggest would be:
Howard Dean

but as head of the DNC that isn't happening.

-C.


oh! (0.00 / 0)
And Russ Feingold as well.

-C.


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There's also (0.00 / 0)
the Democratic governors of both IA and NH

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Richardson (0.00 / 0)
I think there is a possibility Richardson will continue to gain momentum and finish ahead of Obama in Iowa and ahead of Edwards in New Hampshire.

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Obama in IA (0.00 / 0)
OBAMA HAS A GOOD ORGANIZATION IN IA. He so far has opened up the most number of field offices 28 VS eDWARDS 15 and Clinton's 12.

Obama's state wide director is the same guy who managed John Kerry's IA caucus campaign in 2004.

aLL OF MY SOURCES IN IA TELL ME THAT HE HAS A GOOD ORGANIZATION JUST BEHIND eDWARDS, BUT AHEAD OF cLINTON'S at this point in time. hE ALSO HAS EXPOSURE TO THOSE EASTERN BORDER CITIES CLOSE TO iLLINOIS.

I think Obama could win IA.

tHE BEST POLL FOR ia BASED UPON HISTORICAL ACCURACY IS THE dEMOINES rEGISTER POLL. They will come out in the fall with a poll and then we shall see.


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Too early for any (0.00 / 0)
The election is to early. All these politicians are having a hard time telling the truth.  Look at Hilliary she don't know what to say.  She does one thing then turns and says the opposite (Iraq) is an example).  She is being pushed by the corporate money as I can see by the contributions.  The money(copmanies) and politicis go together.  Do research on the canidate and the contributor to see what they will be lobbying for.  The reason being they will be B.S. you on the issues to get elected.  We don't need Hillary for 4 more years she already been president and Bill played under the desk.  I'm not saying she's the only one but, you have to find the one that's not run by the corporations and not the biggest liar.

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