Being insidery, Hillary, and me

by: Mike Lux

Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 17:00


I have always been of the opinion that strong progressives need to have a multi-faceted strategy for winning power and making change, and that we needed progressives to take on a lot of different roles- including outside agitator, institution-builder, media pundit and inside operative. Some of us play at several, or even all, of those roles at different times.

I have also believed that strong progressives need to engage with elected Democrats who are more centrist and not just work for the strongest lefties in any given race. As much as I loved his progressive message and stands on issues, I never chose to work for Jesse Jackson when he ran for President. I have tended instead to work for candidates who, in my judgment, were reasonably good on the issues who I thought had a chance to win in the general election, because to be involved in changing policy, you actually have to win, and my hope was always to fight on the inside to get those candidates to govern in as progressive a away as possible. I know that some of you will think of that as being a sellout, but I have always believed that what history shows is that good things happen only with a combination of outside movement pressure and good people on the inside working to get the politicians they work for to do the right thing. So I don't look for heroes who are pure of heart, I look for people I think are basically good people who will respond the right way when faced with a tough choice most of the time.

Which brings me to Hillary Clinton.

Mike Lux :: Being insidery, Hillary, and me
I was for Harkin in the 1992 primary, but went to work for the Clinton campaign after the primary was over, and I worked in the Clinton White House for the first two and a half years. I've been fascinated by the discussion about Hillary in Chris' recent posts (here and here), and in general in the blogosphere for a long time now. I know she is very disliked by a fair number of bloggers. Like a lot of you, I was disappointed by her vote five years ago and her reluctance until recently to push for an end to the war; I've never been a fan of her or her husband's positions on trade, and I wish she was more of a populist on economics in general. I worry about some of the people advising her and some of the people giving/raising her money; and I am concerned, for her own sake and the country's, that she has a tendency toward being cautious when what this country needs is bold solutions.

But you know what? I'll fess up: I really like her. I tend to bond with people, to see what is best in them, and my years working with Hillary in the '92 campaign and at the White House made me a very big fan. I know I'll get plenty of shit for saying that, but before you let loose, let me make my case.

One thing I really respect about her is that she actually cares about getting the details of legislation right. She always wanted to know how provisions in bills would affect specific people she had met on the campaign trail or knew from Arkansas or other places. For me, having someone in her position care that much about the problems of specific people is an incredible thing.

I also loved her passion about the big issues that really mattered. As I wrote in this post on the impeachment fight, it was largely her passion and determination that kept us fighting for universal health care even in the face of all the advice not to do it.

I also thought she as a person was, and is, a class act. I know that in comparison with many of the issues we all work on, how well she treats the people around her may not seem like it matters very much. But I have always believed that such things do matter, that it tells a lot about whether a person cares about others, and how they will react to the real human problems their constituents face. The reason Hillary has such hardcore loyalists around her is that she treats people with respect: checking in with them when they're in the hospital, hosting baby and wedding showers for them, listening to their ideas, and treating them with the kind of respect that politicians, in my experience, rarely treat their staffers. She extended many of the same personal touches to people she met around the country, once asking me if I'd heard from x person that she'd met at a forum we did somewhere on whether she'd had her baby yet, because she wanted to send her a note when she did. And I never felt that she was being calculating in doing so- she treated her lower-level staffers with the same kindness she did with the power players, and she kept in touch with many of the regular folks we met on the road, not only the wealthy and powerful ones.

The other thing I should say to the OpenLeft.com community, since we are so focused on building progressive infrastructure, is that she has done more than any other elected official I know about, with the possible exception of Sen. Daschle who has also been a stalwart in this arena, in terms of helping to build progressive infrastructure. The Center for American Progress and Media Matters might not be in existence without her early help. She has helped the issue advocacy group I chair, American Family Voices, raise money. She has helped countless other strong progressive groups as well, and has exhorted many different donors I know to think more about infrastructure.

One final story: I have done a personal check-in meeting with Hillary every few months ever since leaving the White House. The last time I went in was about a year ago (I haven't done any trips in since she became a candidate). At that meeting I told her how excited I had become about the blogosphere, and that I thought it was an incredibly important movement for building progressive power. Her response was interesting: not surprisingly, she felt that parts of the blogosphere treated her unfairly, but she seemed generally intrigued by the netroots movement and its potential, and was glad I was engaging with this community. Well, you might say if you were cynical, that she was just being nice or being careful, she doesn't really give a damn about the netroots community. Having known her as long as I have, I can tell you this: if she thought I was full of it, or that what I was doing was a waste of time, she would have bluntly told me so.

In the time since that meeting, she's hired people like Peter Daou and Judd Legum to join her team; she signed up as a speaker for YearlyKos; she sent Howard Wolfson onto Bill O'Reilly's show to defend the DailyKos (and, of course, herself for coming to YearlyKos); and more importantly to all of us in the progressive community than any symbolic outreach, she's moved solidly our way on a range of really important issues including the war.

All politics, you say? Maybe. I gave up trying to determine the personal motivations of politicians a long time ago. The bottom line is that she is consistently reaching out, politically and substantively, to progressives.

Once my old and dear friend Tom Vilsack got out of the presidential race, I decided not to sign up with any of the other candidates. Right now feels like a good time to be banging away from the outside, saying whatever I want to on the issues, pushing my progressive beliefs through OpenLeft.com and my other work. I still wish Hilary was more of an economic populist, and had been better on the war. But I know her to be a good person who cares about other people, and I'd be happy to have her as my nominee.


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Hillary (0.00 / 0)
I've been concerned that she wasn't getting a fair shake from the blogs for some time. We tend to be quite reactionary about single issues instead of the big picture. I like that she's reaching out, to be honest. Does us all good to have a variety of perspectives and personalities floating around.

fundamental misunderstanding (0.00 / 0)
So Clinton is nice to the people around her and gets people to give money to institutions that hire the people around her.  Super.  I disagree with Clinton, but it's frustrating that you assume opposition to Clinton is based on finding her calculating and political instead of recognizing that maybe we just believe different stuff than she does.

This whole post reeks of passive aggressive 'I know you'll attack me because of XYZ' where XYZ is a straw man instead of a serious examination of the anti-Clinton arguments.


Centrist (0.00 / 0)
Well what do you expect from a centrist? I personally don't by into the "only centrists are electable" meme, but to each there own. Maybe the centrists need to move a little more to the left, and then call that "Centrist."

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not a centrist (0.00 / 0)
Ideologically speaking, Mike is a leftie.  Perhaps the divide is more institutional than anything else. 

Mike wants to like people in politics, he wants to see the good in them.  I find that constitutionally distasteful since I'm a deep skeptic of people who want to wield power, and I feel like it's our duty as citizens to be skeptical at this moment in history.


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Ideology is institutional (0.00 / 0)
Our institutional boundaries are mostly based upon ideology. 

And that is because there is a fundamentally different view on the world and politics that exists for liberals, conservatives, and the centerists.  The centerists say that there are valid things in the overall conservative view of the world (and they grant that of the liberal view as well).  But in that they overlap with conservativism, they are fundamentally different from liberals. 

It sounds to me that Mike's expressed views are based less on politics than what they are on other things, like personalities and personal relationships (emotion).


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Thanks (4.00 / 2)
I don't often get accused of being passive aggressive, usually it's just aggressive aggressive. But whatever.
You are right that the point of the article was not to do a serious examination of the anti-Clinton arguments, that was never my intent in this post, and I think there are many folks who have already laid out that case very well. I understand that there are serious, thoughtful reasons that people don't like Hillary, and respect that. I think you are wrong to say that I assume opposition to Clinton is based on her being calculating, I assume nothing of the kind- in fact in my post I laid out reasons why I was troubled by her candidacy.
The point of my piece was to explain to my friends in this community why someone like me who is a lefty, and an open one at that, likes her. I acknowledged that there would be attacks, which obviously came quickly from the friend hanging out in my ofc today, and that's cool, but where in the post did I set up a straw man? That part I don't get.
I'm not attacking anyone who doesn't support Hillary, I'm just laying out why I like her. 

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here (0.00 / 0)
I think I read too much into your piece.  Apologies.

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I appreciate your honesty. (0.00 / 0)
There is so much Hillary bashing on the left, it is difficult to admit to wanting to support her. Thanks for your thoughts and personal perspective on this.

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I don't want to (4.00 / 1)
I don't want to support Hillary.  Why would someone WANT to.  HAVE to, maybe.

I think a good 50% of the love for the Clinton era is that he was the first Democratic president for many of the people working in serious national politics in their career lifetimes. 

I don't want to like Hillary or support her because she just really doesn't share my values.


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Here in Montgomery Co. MD... (0.00 / 0)
we have a pretty strong campaign going and a lot of the more active folks here have known the Clintons for years. Without exception they've all got stories similar to yours regarding her kindness to her staff, her attention to detail, and her genuine concern for the working folks of this great land.

On several occassions, I've heard the story of her former speech-writer (can't recall her name right now) and Hillary's kindness toward her when she had twins. 

I've never had the pleasure of meeting her in person, but I've worked on both of Bill's campaigns, his transition team, and volunteered at the WH after his inauguration in '93 and words can't describe my excitement at seeing her make a serious run at the White House.

She's setting a great example for my young children, and my 6 year old daughter will grow up believing that she really CAN be anything when she grows up.  Even President.

I never believed that - I'm so glad Hillary does!

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Interesting (0.00 / 0)
It's kind of a shame there's such a generational gap in the political class over the internet. While I fully expect Sen. Clinton (and any candidate, really) to appreciate a new center of power and perhaps a new opportunity when she sees one, I have deep doubts as to whether she or many others will ever really "get it."

There are real cultural factors at work here, and part of that has to do with the nuts and bolts of what you do with your day and how you communicate. The whole notion of making a plane trip to do an in-person check-in meeting every few months is a great example. That's just night and day with how I think a lot of us out here think and operate.

Not that that's a bad thing (it takes all kinds), or any reason we can't all work well together, but it sort of highlights my biggest concerns about Sen. Clinton.

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Indefensible (4.00 / 1)
I don't see the point of defending an electoral system where the voter must constantly compromise on their own values due to practicality instead of voting for what they believe in as an effective practice. No other modern democracy is forced to pick A or B or nothing; "third" parties get to have their say, even in those countries where there are two dominant parties. Choosing to support the status quo instead of working to broaden the field doesn't help democracy in any way.

parlimentary democracy (4.00 / 1)
I would passionately prefer a palimentary system of govt, where third parties matter as more than just spoilers. But I don't think the system we got is going anywhere, and in the meantime we have to elect whoever is the best of the choices in front of us.

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Better than Impeachment (0.00 / 0)
It sure would be nice to be able to get rid of a failed administration before thier time limit is up with a remedy short of impeachment.

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The Democratic Party may be a coalition (0.00 / 0)
There may b some half-truth in the values of A or B or "back bench," A or B or a C + D + E + x, y, z coalition, A or B or new parties known as Ax and Ay, or . . . or 3rd & 4th parties that self-destruct or merge, or coalitions that fragment a cabinet minister's portfolio; however those are forms of half-truths that may never find their other halves in US politics.

A long time ago, James MacGregor Burns wrote about what he saw as 4-party politics in the USA [The Deadlock of Democracy: Four-Party Politics in America. (ISBN: 0131969498)].  This view probably still has some validity.  A colleague views the rethuglicans as a single party at present, so only 3 parties function now.  Some of the Democrats may see 3 or more groups under the so-called "big tent."

Actual 3rd parties seem not to do well in the USA.  In my home state, the ballot has several splinter parties: Communist, Socialist, Socialist Workers, Libertarian, etc., candidates for president, though none for state & local offices.

It seems, too, as if there will soon be an influx of much less than liberal or progressive or humanist voters & activists into the Democratic Party.  If the GOoPerz are about to self-destruct (as per beaucoup pundits & observors & pollsters) & devolve downward (by Nov 08) to what will probably become the 20 percent base for Bu$hKorp, then the old cloth-coat republikantz, the libertarians, the Reagan-demokazis & the dis-affected "independents" will wander into the tent with their various unhelpful, but intolerably "loud," ideas & platform planks & worn-out views of the kosmos.  It may be ugly for a time as the prodigals seek shelter from the shit-storm & blowback of the Republican implosion.

What fun!  And H. Clinton will be far to the left of almost all them folks.


While I still don't want HRC as the candidate, (0.00 / 0)
I think the issues raised here are good ones.  Specifically, I think that although political observers like blog readers are very familiar with candidates' political positions and we [rightly] use those positions to form our opinions of the candidates, that they are only part of the story.  The kinds of traits Lux describes here are also important for a politician.  Even a strong progressive in the White House would do much to move this country to the left if s/he was a complete asshole.  These traits are what can change a few votes which may be key to passing progressive legislation.  Of course, I'd rather that the owner of these traits had more leftist policy positions, but it's nice to hear that she sounds like the kind of person who would be an effective president.

Apparently, I didn't read the preview carefully (0.00 / 0)
It should read: Even a strong progressive in the White House would NOT do much to move this country to the left if s/he was a complete asshole.

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PACs (0.00 / 0)
If Hillary wants to be a real progressive why don't she give back all the money from lobbyist and PACs who donated to her campaign?  She does that and I might, might believe she is a real progressive.  As long a she takes special interest money she will never be free to be her on person and free to be a real progressive.

Nice personal perspective. Thanks. (4.00 / 1)
I'm not sure how Hillary is any less populist than Obama, though I suppose she is slightly less than Edwards.  I'm not a big anti-trade person myself, though certainly we need more emphasis on "fair" less on "free" and we need to make concessions  for those negatively effected by global trade.  That said, 100 years from now I don't think anyone will question the global market.  Also, I tend to see Bill Clinton as someone who understood what the political market could bear, not necessarily anti-populism. 

Hillary strikes me as extremely pragmatic.  I like that.


The leaving of a residual force in Iraq(Clinton plan) (0.00 / 0)
A new Democratic-leaning Washington think tank, the Center for a New American Security, released a paper last month that estimated the number of troops that might be required for a more limited U.S. mission in Iraq. While the policy proposal by James N. Miller and Shawn W. Brimley was not endorsed by any presidential candidate, it did capture aspects of the notions advanced by Clinton, and Biden. The CNAS paper suggested that an initial U.S. force of about 60,000 troops would be needed for an effective training mission, counterterrorism measures against al-Qaida, force protection and overall logistical support. While this would be a far cry from current Bush "surge" levels, it would also not fulfill the "bring the troops home now" mantra of antiwar activists.

This why I can't support Clinton. Her policies will not stop the war and will lead the US military  to occupy Iraq for at least 5 more years.


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I don't know. I don't think there are a (4.00 / 1)
heck of alot of options in how we get out of Iraq, so I think the next Democratic president, whomever that may be, will likely pursue a similar strategy.

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Residual force (0.00 / 0)
If the democrats pursue this policy, then I predict a 3rd party ant-war candidate will get a significant number of independents and democrats in the GE and would flip the election to the republican candidate.

This residual force will be un-acceptable to the american people who over whelmingly want us out of Iraq with no more combat and  american casualities.


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Only Richardson has talked about everyone leaving Iraq (0.00 / 0)
immediately, and that ain't going to happen because it is physically impossible to move troops that fast.  All the Democrats have advocated withdrawing combat forces.  I don't think it's necessary to train the forces.  They are trained just not motivated to participate.  But, again, I just think this is likely to go in the same direction no matter the nominee.

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Richardson (0.00 / 0)
It could be done in a year to two years. Nixon withdrew over 100,000 troops from Vietnam in his first year in office.

Richardson is talking about withdrawing all troops and not leaving any residual forces.

I believe that the candidates positions on this war will heat up so much that they will all move to the left. Even Hillary though she will be forced to move. She has already moved her position from total support to criticisim of the conduct of the war to resisting a time table to now accepting a time table for withdrawl.


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Well, things kept getting worse. (0.00 / 0)
It was a bad policy from the start but it was also executed beyond poorly.  Would you rather she continued to support a failed policy???  I just don't see any difference between the candidates.  They all are talking about having some troops in the area.  I frankly don't think that will be attainable, however Hillary is offering steps to end the war now, to plan for withdrawal now, that's what matters to me.  Campaign promises are cheap.  We are 18 months away from a new presidency.  If I were voting for the guy who would move troops out the fastest, who may actually take a different approach, I'd vote Kucinich.

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You've got to be the only guy in the world (0.00 / 0)
who's supported Joe Biden AND Tom Harkin for President. :)

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Biden and Harkin (0.00 / 0)
Actually, Biden was running more as a progressive in those days, and in Iowa at least (admittedly probably only there), there were a lot of us who went for Biden in '88 and Harkin in '92.

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