The Role Of Progressives In An Obama Administration

by: Mike Lux

Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 19:00


Jason Rosenbaum has an interesting take on the Obama accountability question we've been discussing here the last couple of days. He argues that we should do all we can to elect Obama, but then be ready to take him on aggressively as soon as he is elected. I think Jason's position is well argued, but I thought I would throw out a somewhat different perspective, based in part on my experience in the Clinton campaign, transition, and White House. It's not that I disagree with Jason, but just wanted to add more to the discussion.

I want two things out of an Obama Presidency:

-That it produces big progressive changes

-That it is a success

I think those two things are pretty closely linked, because our country's problems right now are huge enough that we need big, bold progressive things to happen to really change them. I also think that voters are in a bad enough mood that if Obama and the Democrats in Congress don't deliver big and important things that actually help in people's daily lives, they will get kicked out of office at the first available opportunity.

Now you may be asking: who do I care so much about whether Obama is successful or not? Lots of reasons, many of which might be obvious. Democrats are far more likely to keep Congress if he is; if he has 8 years rather than 4, he's a lot more likely to get some good things done; I would deeply hate for the first black President to be bad at the job, it would make electing another one that much tougher.

So given that I want Obama to succeed, does that give me pause about Jason's plan to be tough on Obama starting the day after he's elected? Well, not really, but I do think the progressive movement needs to have a sophisticated, multi-level strategy. I think progressives should, and very likely will, break into 3 types of players during an Obama administration.

1. Going on the inside. I hope that the Obama team can be convinced to place as many genuine progressives in government jobs as possible.
2. Friendly outsiders who are pushing them toward progressivism. These are the progressive organization people, bloggers, donors, and other activists who stay on the outside, and are generally friendly to, and supportive of the Obama team, who still gently push them to pick the progressive path as much as possible.
3. Outsiders who bang away. Those organization people, bloggers, donors, and other activists who decide their best role is to aggressively bang away, who work day in and day out to hold Obama accountable.

I believe we are best served when we have lots of people in all 3 of these categories. A movement does not succeed without having all 3 kinds of people in place, each playing their part. The progressive things that did happen during the Clinton years came as a direct result of each of these 3 kinds of people playing a big role.

The key is that the folks in all these categories need to forge a constructive working relationship with each other. There will definitely be tensions between the three at times, but if they can respect each other in their different roles, good things will happen.

The lesson of history is that big progressive change has come when a President open to change and a movement driving it worked together. That happened in the 1860s, the early 1900s, the 1930s, and the 1960s. But in each of those cases, the eventually progressive President ran a cautious, centrist campaign, was very nervous about making the big changes needed, and had to be pushed into doing the right thing by a combination of progressive insiders and outsiders. I hope that a decade from now, we'll be able to say that the Obama administration, helped by an effective, aggressive progressive movement, was able to deliver major progressive change for the American people.  

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100% behind Mike on this (4.00 / 7)
I tried to say this earlier but less eloquently.  There are different, necessary roles, and people should do what they are fitted to do by temperament and resources.  But understand that we need all of the folks Mike describes, though, and don't trash people who aren't doing what you are doing.  The idea that we need a working relationship is important.  The problems really are immense and the stakes are very, very high, especially for those who need gov't on their side to survive.  That thought is what keeps me supporting the Dems even when I get discouraged.  

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

Agreed. (4.00 / 1)
Working relationship is key to this, a smarter, more complex version of Reagen's "thou shall not criticize a Republican."

One we're democrats and we're not just here for the money we can steal or give to client companies like Haliburton and Blackwater. We have real problems we are solving for principles that mean something, like saving the planet and raising wages and universal healthcare, oh and not killing people because they are the same color brown as someone we think was responsible for a horror.

Two we care about outcome not just our team, or our ego or our career.

Its the effective way to work, and that would make your parents proud.

Obama The future we have always deserved. I trust Obama to choose a VP


John McCain wants to privatize Social Security.


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What A PipeDream (0.00 / 0)
You forgot to mention two things.

1. A Republican minority in the Senate that will do all it can to make sure a Democratic presidency is a failure. Just like they have been making sure a Democratic congress is a failure the last two years.

2. Obama himself through his campaign platform of Post-Partisanship and his overt courting of Republicans - both voters and Pols - is going to compromise with the Right and then try to get non-Obama Dog Democrats to go along.

Now given those two things Mike just how in the hell do you expect Big Progressive Changes?

You guys come on here and write stuff Obama style. Meaning you state these lofty goals with not only no realistic road map to get there but you also ignore the very big and real roadblocks such as the candidate himself.

You're pipe dreaming that the Left who Obama could care less about and doesn't need to court because they are just bending over for free is going to pay attention to you in '09 when he has the foggiest idea who you are now?

You all said the same thing about Reid and Pelosi and look how that tuned out. And you think you will have more sway over President Obama than you did Pelosi? My God this is the strangest election behavior I have ever seen. It is like Bush made people lose their mental facilities because obviously they are not being used.

Now how are you going to accomplish this all again Mike when you include # 1 & #2 above?


Relentlessly cynical. (4.00 / 8)
I'm not clear why folks who are as relentlessly cynical as yourself are even interested in politics, because I would think it would make you so depressed and bitter you couldn't enjoy life.
Look, none of this is easy, and none of this is automatic. But what history shows very clearly is that there are sometimes moments when things come together, and normally cautious politicians respond to movements. The rest of the time we fight the good fight, and get done what we can. In the Clinton administration, we didn't get as far as we should, made lots of mistakes, were facing a right wing infrastructure at the peak of it's effectiveness, and progressives working together still got some things done: a progressive budget package in '93 that raised taxes on the rich, lowered them on the poor, and made big investments into great social programs; Family and Medical Leave; S-CHIP; a minimum wage increase; the biggest increase in national park land since Teddy Roosevelt; Motor Voter; National Service; and a host of other good programs. It wasn't what we all hoped for, but we made some decent progress on a great many issues. And that was with Republicans in control for 6 of the 8 years, and a far weaker progressive infrastructure.
Maybe you enjoy being bitter and cynical and overwhelmingly pessimistic. I prefer to do the best I can do to make things better, knowing I may be disappointed but fighting hard to make something hopeful possible.  

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You ignore the power of the executive (4.00 / 2)
There is a whole lot that can be done administratively. Look at what Bush has tried to do and undue.  

John McCain is afraid of Canada!

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One Mans Cynical (0.00 / 0)
is another mans realistic. I'm being realistic. You can try the old Shoot The Messenger if you want but it doesn't work with me Mike.

FWIW both FMLA and the budget package in '93 were passed with a Democratic majority. S-CHIP is a tough no vote for any Republican and remains so as of 2007. Pretty much the same with minimum wage. The Republicans put the brakes on the biggest Progressive agenda and that was Healthcare Reform, an issue that Obama not only employs one of the architects of the opposition but also employed the GOP Harry and Louise attack against Clinton in the primaries. That doesn't bode well for the future of moving Uni Healthcare forward under Obama. Oh and did I mention his comments on Socail Security?

After all you said you still did not really answer the two points I brought up. Needless to say the Republicans are a much tougher bunch than 10-15 years ago and you know it.

Clinton basically caved to the Right on two big things. NAFTA and Welfare Reform. Other than that he tried to fight the good fight and unlike Obama didn't ever campaign on post-partisanship. He never promised compromise. He did campaign on putting people first though - a much different message than Obama's 'Republicans Have Good Ideas Too'.

So the question still stands. How do you get big progressive ideas through with an obstructionist minority and a pliant Centrist Triangulating Go-Back-On-His-Word Obama?


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Did you know that Obama just hired (4.00 / 1)
Hillary's healthcare person, Neera Tanden, as his new Director of Domestic Policy?  See here.  Not an informal advisor, but Director of Domestic Policy.

He now talks about universal health care, along with global warming and getting the troops out of Iraq, as the 3 top things that would mark success in his first term.  I'd bet he's going to surprise you on this one.  

I'd say, as I've said all along, that he gets the public to pressure Congress (part of Mike's message), and he isolates recalcitrant Repubs on the right.  That way he has a big enough coalition.  I'm more worried in some ways about the Dem leadership undermining him.  After the election the GOP is going to be weaker than it is now.  It's much easier to be an obstructionist if you haven't been thrown out of office and had your brand rejected after you held the trifecta for 6 years.  They will moan and protest, but just won't be as strong, especially if McConnell is defeated or escapes by the skin of his teeth.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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Can you imagine a president (0.00 / 0)
saying:
We need to pass this bill.  American needs to pass this bill.  Everyone who is listening tonight.  Call your Senators.  Call your Representatives.  Tell them we need this bill.  And tell them that if they won't pass it, we'll find somebody who will.

Okay, maybe with a bit more eloquence.


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the power of the executive (0.00 / 0)
is also very limited when it comes to domestic issues. The President doesn't pass budgets or make laws. He can't make the minority bend to his will.  

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very simplistic (0.00 / 0)
but he does submit budgets to congress

trillion dollar budgets

That definitely has an impact on domestic issues. Try watching congressional budget mark-ups sometime. You'll see the power of the executive then.

John McCain is afraid of Canada!


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Gee, Too Bad No One Told President Cheney That (4.00 / 1)
I wish he had known how powerless he was.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Yes, really. See Bush, George W., 2002-2008. (4.00 / 1)
The power of the Executive is what the Executive makes of it.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Very tempting to mark your comment as troll, but I think it is more accurate to just state that you are completely utterly 100% wrong (0.00 / 0)
But you did manage to do it in a relatively civil manner. Seriously man, do you think comments like this are helpful to anybody? Even if you were right, which you positively are not, this comment would still be totally uncalled for an completely destructive rather than constructive.  

End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.

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Apparently you missed (0.00 / 0)
a whole lot of Obama supporters dumping on him about FISA and dumping on a front page poster defending Obama. They are all over the internet so what I am posting is no unique in the last week at all.

And no I am not wrong. The two question I asked are legitimate questions that so far no one can answer.

In case you have not noticed the are all kind of people having second thought about Obama including Matt and to a lesser extent Chris.


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Fantastic post Mike (4.00 / 1)
I'll probably be something between two and three but what is clear is that we can't stop our work once the election is over. I think that's something that happened in 2006. Everyone thought "Wow, we did it" and then expected that Bush and Cheney would be impeached, the war would end and everything would be perfect. Unfortunately we've learned that's not the case.

Elections are just one tiny part of the fight for social change, they are very important but they are not the only part.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Great post. I think this is the best lens to view the current intraparty "Obama accountability" discussion/dispute through. (0.00 / 0)
One of the points I take away from this post is that we should be straight up about where we stand. I clearly stand at #2 (I donate to the campaign and receive e-mails but I don't volunteer or think I have any more influence with them than anyone else). I don't mind to briefly criticize Obama during the campaign for doing things I disagree with (FISA was a HUGE disappointment, one which doesn't even make sense to me from a pragmatic political point of view), and I don't think these statements of disagreement are harmful to his chances whatsoever. I even e-mailed the campaign telling them how disappointed I was (hopefully they noticed I was on the donors list).

But I don't certainly consider it helpful to endlessly drone on about how Obama has let us all down and proven how much of a fraud he truly is. Many of these recent attacks seem to be more aimed at Obama supporter than at Obama himself (the kool-aid drinkers and "finally we can move on to an honest discussion" come to mind), which seems even more counterproductive.

Many Democratic/progressive bloggers and commenters, on this site and others, have seemed to harbor an irrational resentment of Obama, Obama's supporter, or the fact that Obama has been so successful within the party. And not only Clinton supporters, lot of these bloggers were originally Edwards supporters. I've continually noticed, what seemed to me at the time,  many small shreds of resentment aimed at Obama seeping out of the cracks of many front page posts. Sometimes the alleged resentment seemed to be aimed toward his supporters instead of himself. It was almost as if these were people who belonged in Mike's #3 category but were posing as if they were in the #2 category. I don't mean this aimed at anyone in particular as I've seen it from a number of different posters on a number of different sites.

I've tried really hard to put my finger on just why this is and where its coming from but I've come up blank. Maybe I'm just crazy, but if anybody else thinks they noticed the same thing over these last couple months, maybe they could shed some light on it. I had previously written it off to them being mad that Obama managed to co-opt the activist/liberal base and thereby in these people's mind "stole" voters who should have been for Edwards. But I keep seeing this resentment even after the election is over and now I'm just not sure where it is coming from.


End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.


I Don't Think Either FDR or Johnson Were Timid (0.00 / 0)
In fact, I don't think either of them had a timid bone in their bodies.  TR, neither if it comes to that--though he was a ball of energetic contradictions.  JFK was timid, while talking a great game, and is, I've long argued, the best analogy for Obama.

Yes, these figures needed to be pushed--but the FDR story is only get more famous again, about telling a group of activists, "Okay, you've convinced me, now go out and force me to do it."  That's not timidity, it's knowing the need for countervailing power.

Obama's different.  And I wouldn't even say it's timidity.  But he takes cheap pot shots at us.  And I honestly can't say even to this day whether it's out of fear that he'll be attacked if he doesn't attack us, or if he genuinely despises us.  But either way, it's a characteristic that even Kennedy didn't have.

For one thing, MLK was seriously kicking butt.  And that's precisely what we need to do.  I don't have a roadmap for how to do it, but I do know that it's what's needed.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


Interesting that FDR and JFK were both physically weak (0.00 / 0)
FDR as a result of polio, and JFK from Addison's Disease and chronic back problems.  All of that New Frontier touch football and all was a way to mask JFK's problems, which required a lot of drugs and medical care to allieviate.

Neither FDR nor JFK was particularly good on civil liberties, either.

LBJ, if you believe Rick Perlstein's book, was a bully, but also was extremely vulnerable psychologically, at least to Nixon, and always needed an operation or some procedure when the going got tough.  

But yes, we need to pressure.  Having worked 24 years in government, I can say that FDR is exactly right in your quote.  But one can't be both an insider and an outsider, or a no-compromiser and a winner.  One has to choose a role.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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What always seems to get left out of these diaries (0.00 / 0)
and the resulting comments is the "how."  Especially the "how" for outsiders and average Joe and Jane bloggers like us who have no political contacts.

Well, you could make political contacts (0.00 / 0)
Start volunteering for your local representative or state senator or city councilman or county commissioner if any or all of them are democrats. If not, then volunteer for your local precinct committee chair. If your precinct is unorganized, then organize your precinct and become that precinct chair.

Especially on the local level, it's very easy to start to get to know people that control the levers of power...especially when they need people to work the phones and walk the neighborhoods. It takes some time, but it really just depends on how much effort one wants to devote to political organizing and volunteering.

John McCain is afraid of Canada!


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