Dodd: Where law ends, tyranny begins

by: Karl Blumenthal

Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:31


Last night Senator Chris Dodd took to the Senate floor and besought his colleagues one final time to reconsider the retroactive awarding of immunity to telecom companies in their illegal surveillance of American citizens.

Few beside Dodd and acting Senate President Bob Menendez were present to hear the impassioned speech.  Americans were invited to eavesdrop on C-SPAN2, but were obliged to flip to Jeapordy! or re-runs of Everybody Loves Raymond.  

The address was short, but comprehensive.  Dodd outlined the nature of the provision under debate as no simpler than a challenge to the rule of law.  Conjuring two of the 20th Century's most popular conservative leaders, Dodd implored his colleagues in the Senate to consider the consequences of lawlessness undisclosed.

"Where law ends, tyranny begins," Dodd asserted, quoting former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.  

If the sentiment were lost on his American peers, Dodd nonetheless buttressed it with a more familiar statesman's:

As Dwight D. Eisenhower who served our country both as President and as leader of the Allied Forces in Europe during World War Two, said:

"The clearest way to show what the rule of law means to us in everyday life is to recall what has happened when there is no rule of law."

That is why I believe history will judge this President harshly for his disregard for our most cherished principles.

The responsibility falls not only onto the President's shoulders though, as Dodd was quick to remind fellow Senators:

If we do not change course and stand up for our Constitution, for what is best in America, for what we know is right and just, then history will most certainly decide that that it was those of us in this body who bare equal responsibility for the President's decisions-for it was us who looked the other way, time and time again.

Senators Dodd and Feingold put their amendment to strike Title II from the proposed FISA bill to a vote in less than an hour.  Dodd's last plea may  meanwhile have fallen on deaf hears in the living symbol of our union, but YOU can read the speech in it's entirety in the extended entry...  

* UPDATE * 1:15pm: Dodd-Feingold amendment fails 32-66.  See the extended entry for complete vote tally.  

Karl Blumenthal :: Dodd: Where law ends, tyranny begins
Mr. President, I rise to offer an amendment to strike Title II, which would provide retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies.

Mr. President, for many Americans, this issue may seem very difficult to follow - it may seem like just another squabble over corporate lawsuits.

But in reality, it is so much more than that.  This is about choosing between the rule of law and the rule of men.

For more than seven years, President Bush has demonstrated time and time again that he neither respects the role of the Congress, nor does he respect the rule of law.

Today, we are considering legislation which will grant retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies who are alleged to have handed over to this Administration the personal information of every American-everyone phone call, every email, every fax and every text message.  And all without a warrant.

Some may argue that in fact the companies received documentation from the Administration stating that the President authorized the wiretapping program and that therefore it was legal.

These advocates will argue that the mere existence of documentation justifies retroactive immunity-- that because a document was received, companies should be retroactively exonerated of all wrong-doing.

But, as the Intelligence Committee has already made clear, we already KNOW that the companies received some form of documentation, with some sort of legal determination.

But that logic is deeply flawed Mr. President.

Because the question is not whether companies received a "document" from the White House. The question is, were there actions legal?  It's a rather straightforward and surprisingly uncomplicated question.  Did the companies break the law?

Either the companies complied with the law as it was at the time, or they didn't.

Either the companies and the President acted outside of the rule of law, or they followed it.

Either the underlying program was legal or it wasn't.

If we pass retroactive immunity, none of these questions will ever be answered.  Because of this so-called "compromise," the judge's hands will be tied, and the outcome of these cases will be predetermined.  Retroactive immunity will be granted.

So Mr. President, this is about finding out what actually happened between these companies and the Administration.

It is about holding this Administration to account for violating the rule of law and our Constitution.  It is about reminding this Administration that, "Where law ends, tyranny begins."

And those aren't my words, Mr. President - those words were spoken by British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Mr. President, it is time to say "no more."

No more trampling our Constitution.

No more excusing those who violate the rule of law.

No more.

These are our principles.

They have been around at least since the Magna Carta.

They are enduring.

What they are not is temporary.  And what we should not do in a time where our country is at risk, is abandon them.  That is what is at stake here today.  Allowing retroactive immunity to go forward is by its very nature an abandonment of these principles.  

Like generations of American leaders before us, we too are confronted with a choice.

Does America stand for all that is still right with our world?  Or do we retreat in fear?

Do we stand for justice that secures America?  Or do we act out of vengeance that weakens us?

Mr. President, whatever our political party-Republican, Democrat-we were all elected to ensure that this nation adheres to the rule of law.  That is our must fundamental obligation - not as partisans but as patriots serving their country.

The rule of law is not the provenance of any one political party - but of every American who has been safer because of it.

President Bush is right about one thing: this debate is about security.  But not in the way he imagines.

He believes we have to give up our rights to be safe.

I believe the choice between moral authority and security is a false choice.

I believe it is precisely when you stand up and protect your rights that you become stronger, not weaker.

The damage that was done to our country on 9/11 was both tragic and stunning.

But when you start diminishing our rights as a people, you compound that tragedy.  You cannot protect America in the long run if you fail to protect our Constitution.  It is that simple.

As Dwight D. Eisenhower who served our country both as President and as leader of the Allied Forces in Europe during World War Two, said:

"The clearest way to show what the rule of law means to us in everyday life is to recall what has happened when there is no rule of law."

That is why I believe history will judge this President harshly for his disregard for our most cherished principles.

And if we do not change course and stand up for our Constitution, for what is best in America, for what we know is right and just, then history will most certainly decide that that it was those of us in this body who bare equal responsibility for the President's decisions-for it was us who looked the other way, time and time again.

Mr. President, this is the moment.  At long last, let us rise to it.

Support this amendment.

Stop retroactive immunity.

Stand up for the rule of law.

Mr. President, I yield the floor.


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Guess Obama thinks (4.00 / 2)
that Dodd doesn't care enough about the security of the American people.

Just extrapolating logic here. Obama called the bill critical to keeping us safe from terrrrrrrrists. If Dodd votes against the bill Dodd must be weak on security, like all those liberal dems who haven't been paying attention to what Obama is saying and he Just Disagrees With (TM).

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


Silver lining? (0.00 / 0)
I'm totally opposed to immunity for the telecoms.  However, I wonder - - If the telecoms have immunity, can a Senate or House committee demand a full disclosure of what happened.  The telecoms would have no basis for pleading the 5th.    

No, they still have criminal liability (4.00 / 3)
And with criminal liability, they could still invoke the 5th.

[ Parent ]
Good point (4.00 / 1)
Usually, the spin is the remaining criminal liability lessons the harm of this bill.  You make a good point that it might actually make it worse in practice.  I hadn't thought of that.

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The 5th amendment isn't a problem (4.00 / 1)
There should be more than enough factual evidence of this program laying around that it doesn't matter whether you can compel testimony, plus isn't there at least one person running around who claims to have been involved with the program who says he's happy to testify if he can legally do so? Really it seems like all you should need to do to prove this happened is subpoena the executive orders to the telecoms to wiretap-- which the amnesty provisions of the FISA bill that's being voted on right now basically prove exist!

The reason why the criminal liability proposals are a joke are:

1. Presidential pardons

2. Who is going to act on them? Yes, I'm sure Congress could demand a full disclosure of what happened. But on what rational basis would we expect the same Congress that is currently voting to prevent investigation of these issues to then turn around and investigate them itself? I just don't get it. Meanwhile, my understanding was that many members of Congress were briefed on this program before the rest of America knew about it and have never voiced any objections to it; why expect them to start now?

In other words it seems like criminal prosecutions are wholly viable were they to be attempted, and likewise seems fairly certain they will never be attempted.


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Dodd addressing the Senate NOW (0.00 / 0)
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs...

John McCain: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

Tyranny has become the status quo (0.00 / 0)
when a speech such as this is given to an empty room while everyone on screen tries to pretend that it actually means something.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Dodd, where's my party? (4.00 / 2)
n/t

Is anyone keeping count? (0.00 / 0)
It seems like the Nos are outnumbering the Ayes, but a lot of Obama surrogates voted Aye (as did Obama himself, obviously).

And of course, the Dodd amendment had no chance of passing, but I hope that the other amendment (postponing action on Title II goes through).

QT

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WindOnWater.net




Fails (0.00 / 0)
32-66

More complete tally soon.

John McCain: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."


[ Parent ]
Tally--from Kos (4.00 / 1)
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Note that those  oting for Dodd include Biden and Baucus, but not McCaskill or Bayh or Webb.  And not Mikulski.  Nor Feinstein, but there was never hope for her.  Arnold will challenge her in 2010 if she runs again, which I doubt.  hard for us to hold the seat.

This strengthens my recent intuition that Biden might be the VP pick to provide a better foil on national  security/foreign polciy issues than Clark.

And makes me want Bayh less, if that is possible.



John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


[ Parent ]
This is the 32 Dems voting for Dodd (0.00 / 0)
Wasn't exactly clear.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

[ Parent ]
"makes me want Bayh less, if that is possible." (4.00 / 1)
I don't want Biden either, but it is metaphysically impossible for me to want Bayh less.

miasmo.com

[ Parent ]
Final vote tally (0.00 / 0)
YAYS NAYS
Akaka
Baucus
Biden
Bingamon
Boxer
Brown
Byrd
Cantwell
Cardin
Casey
Clinton
Dodd
Dorgan
Durbin
Feingold
Harkin
Innouye
Kerry
Klobuchar
Lautenburg
Leahy
Levin
Menendez
Murray
Obama
Reed
Reid

Sanders
Shumer
Stabenow
Tester
Whitehouse
Wyden

































Alexander
Allard
Barasso
Bayh
Bennett
Bond
Brownback
Bunning
Burr
Carper
Chambliss
Coburn
Cochran
Coleman
Collins
Conrad
Corker
Cornyn
Craig
Crapo
DeMint
Dole
Dominici
Ensign
Enzi
Feinstein
Graham
Grassley
Gregg
Hagel
Hatch
Hutchinson
Inhofe
Innouye
Isakson
Johnson
Kohl
Kyl
Landrieu
Lieberman
Lincoln
Lugar
Martinez
McCaskill
McConnell
Mikulski
Murkowski
Nelsen (NB)
Nelson (FL)
Pryor
Rockefeller
Roberts
Salazar
Sessions
Shelby
Smith
Snowe
Specter
Stevens
Sununu
Thune
Vitter
Voinovich
Warner
Webb
Wicker


John McCain: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

[ Parent ]
I see you have Pryor in red (4.00 / 1)
You wouldn't know it from the way he votes, but technically he's a Democrat.

[ Parent ]
He also got $23K (0.00 / 0)
from AT& T for his campaign fund.  

[ Parent ]
I don't doubt it (0.00 / 0)
this guy is as worthless as they come.

[ Parent ]
Whoops (0.00 / 0)
Thanks AK.  No smear intended.

John McCain: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

[ Parent ]
LOL (0.00 / 0)
My state has chosen to smear itself by electing the bastard.

[ Parent ]
Pryor, Nelson (NB), Conrad, Kohl all Democrats. (0.00 / 0)
Conrad broke my heart.  I like him.

Webb too.


[ Parent ]
I even spelled Nelson's name wrong (0.00 / 0)
blah.  One cup of coffee too few today?

John McCain: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

[ Parent ]
The good people of "NB" will forgive you (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for compiling data, though.  This is thorough and I dig that.

[ Parent ]
Well so far (0.00 / 0)
all the blue dogs are voting against the Dodd Amendment.

And that's that 32-66.  I didn't hear whether Obama voted on this.


He did - he is with the 32. (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
OK now I know... (0.00 / 0)
how to effectuate a strike out.  Apparently sandwiching text between hyphens strikes it out!

QT

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WindOnWater.net




[ Parent ]
When the history of this shameful era is written (4.00 / 2)
Chris Dodd shall be remembered as a Hero.

Obama - Dodd (0.00 / 0)
Obama voted to support Dodd's amendment, but I suspect he will roll over and support passage of the final bill.  That we he can claim that he tried to removed retroactive immunity from the legislation, but in the end decided that the final version of the bill is worth supporting.  It's a chickenshit approach that tries to have it both ways.

I hope Dodd and Feingold go ahead with a filibuster, because Obama is on record as pledging to support a filibuster, and that would put him to the test.


Missing 2 (0.00 / 0)
Kennedy would have voted with the 32, who else is missing?  Was it an offsetting absence or did they just know it wouldn't be that that close?

Do you really have to ask? (0.00 / 0)
I won't ruin it for you, but his name rhymes with John McCain.

John McCain: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

[ Parent ]
Who? (0.00 / 0)
Is he the guy who does the Bush impressions on the Daily Show?

[ Parent ]
Eisenhower (0.00 / 0)
Was he a conservative? I think that's debatable.

miasmo.com

Although he was courted by both parties (4.00 / 2)
In his time he was conservative in the old sense in that he wanted to conserve what we had rather than strike put in new directions and with new programs--except those that were touted as defense-related, like the Federal Highway Program and National Defense Education Act, that was supposed to help us catch up with the Russians in science after the Sputnik launch.

He appointed Earl Warren (Gov of CA) to the Supreme Court as part of a deal in which Warren threw his support to Ike at the 1952 convention to help Ike defeat Bob Taft, the reactionary-conservative.  He was thereafter bewildered by some of Warren's opinions (esp Brown v. Board of Ed) but he accepted that they were the law (as real conservatives did in those days) and stood by them, enforcing school desegregation in the South.  But he never would have gone that way on his own, and did so with some reluctance.  He did have great distaste for Nixon and his red-baiting, however.  

Most of all he loved golf.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


[ Parent ]
He did have great distaste for *McCarthy (0.00 / 0)
I think Nixon's red-baiting helped get him on the ticket.  The line between Nixon in Congress and Joe McCarthy, whom Eisenhower disparaged once it all began to unravel (and whom Eisenhower genuinely disliked and resented) might shed some light into how far right Eisenhower was willing to play.

[ Parent ]
Fillibuster (0.00 / 0)
- Is it still possible to fillibuster this?
- Clearly the filibuster wouldn't have enough votes to succeed. But during some previous discussion about filibusters  I somehow got the impression that cloture can't be invoked without at least allowing the fillibuster to continue for 24 hours. Is this correct?
- Does anyone intend to do this much?

Dodd was great today (0.00 / 0)
This is a sad day for our country. Kudos to Dodd for trying to get his fellow senators to do the right thing.

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