Kevin Philips & The Economic Challenges Facing An Obama Presidency

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 10:22


No, I'm not being premature here.  If you want to win an election, it does help to have some idea what governing will mean.  Republicans are accustomed to having little or no relationship between the two.  But we don't want to be like them, now do we?

Last night on Bill Moyers Journal, Moyers had a long conversation with former GOP uber-guru, Kevin Phillips (here, skip down). In the course of that conversation, Phillips identified a number of significant problems facing a potential Obama presidency.  A few he specifically identified in this manner, others were problems facing America as a whole.  For simplicity sake, I'm going to streamline the list, and focus on four of them, grouped as follows:

    (1) The Democrats have no idea what they're going to do. No one does, because this is not like 1929-1932. This is worse. It's worse because we were the emerging dominant world power then, and we're at the end of our dominance now. Our prosperity depends on world markets, and we've run up a huge debt with them.

    (2) The Democrats will be taking power (hopefully) in midst of the melting down process (not so hopefully), rather than toward the end of it. And we're taking power before the political/analytical debate has come anywhere close to thrashing things out.

    (3) The Democrats are tightly connected to the gang that caused the problem in the first place. The Bob Ruben wing. This is particularly inhibiting to the necessary process of standing back and trying to figure out what's needed for the country, not just them. This is the vision problem.

    (4) The Democrats are deeply divided internally. As Phillips put it, "the flesh of the Democratic Party carries a lunchbox. But the new soul of the Democratic Party wears a pinstripe suit." This is the political problem.

Let's look at each of these a bit more closely.

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The Nature of America's Problem

Phillips offers two views of the economic problems we face.  First, he ticks off, what he calls the "seven sharks":

BILL MOYERS: So who do you trust anymore? I mean, you write in your book that the most worrisome thing is the extent of official understatement and misstatement, the preference for minimizing how many problems there are and how interconnected they are.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, just to give you an example of how many there are, Alan Greenspan has finally decided to admit, you know, this may be one of those once-a-century biggies. Well, what makes it fascinating is that I sometimes use the description "seven sharks." There are seven sharks in the tank with the economy.

And the first is financialization because we're so dependent on this industry that's sort of half lost its marbles. The second is that you have this huge buildup of debt, absolutely unprecedented anywhere in the world. The third is you've now got home prices collapsing. The fourth is you've got global commodity inflation building up.

The fifth is you've got flawed and deceptive government economics statistics. The sixth is that you've got what they call peak oil where the world is, to some extent, running out of oil. So it's not just commodity inflation, it's a shortage of oil. And then the last thing is the collapsing dollar. Now, whenever you get this sort of package in one decade, you got a big one. And when Greenspan says it's a once a century, I think it's another variation but on a par with the Thirties.

Second, he draws on world-historical comparisons-comparisons he first made five or six years ago in Wealth and Democracy, to the three previous dominant world powers: Spain, Holland and Britain.

I wish I could say that there's a blueprint that would get us back on the right track. But my sense of histories previous goes to the one or two percent leading world economic power is you don't get back on the right track.

BILL MOYERS: So what happens?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: You go through a painful adjustment process. The British were absolutely top dog in the world in 1914. Two world wars and 35 years later, they were having, after World War II, they were having food rationing, the pound sterling crashed, dukes were giving guided tours of their castles because they couldn't afford to maintain them otherwise. Doesn't take long. And I'm afraid the United States is coming right into that period which marks a couple of decades coming up that are going to be very difficult for America.

This is an incredibly grim prognosis, so it's no wonder that no politician wants to talk about it.  But if there's going to be any chance to soften the blow, we're going to have to talk about it.  And the longer we put it off, the harder it's going to be.

The Middle of the Problem

On the subject of how long it's going to take, how long we're going to be in the "fire-fighting mode", as opposed to the "cleaning up the mess and rebuilding mode", Phillips had this to say:

BILL MOYERS: Is there any consolation in being right when the conditions are so bad?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, I guess there is in one narrow, little niche. But I do have the feeling that this is going to be a big one, that I hate to use the term "innings." But let's say I don't think we're too far into the ballgame. I think we have more of a ballgame to go than we've had. So, yes, I think it's going to be a real problem.

And just to be clear, he wasn't talking about the ballgame starting in the last few weeks.  In his American Prospect article last May, "Bubble and Bail", he began thus:

As of spring 2008, we're probably just a third of the way through the unfolding debacle in the housing, credit, and financial markets. In political and regulatory terms, the ultimate problems and remedies have only begun to define themselves.

We're not just looking at an ordinary recession. Since the 1970s, the United States has redefined itself from a manufacturing nation to a financial economy built on debt, leverage, and a considerable ratio of speculation. Both political parties have been complicit in this, and the downturn now beginning will be unusual and potentially tragic.

What's more, in that article, he noted:

The last two presidential elections where major economic weakness was front and center -- 1980 and 1932 -- had ingredients and predicaments that dated back several years or more, and both out-parties had their election arguments reasonably at hand. Even so, the consequent economic reform and policy debate stretched out for two to three additional years. As of April 2008, we are further behind this new cycle's analysis-and-debate curve.

The Bastards In Charge Problem

In the introduction, I put this more delicately:

(3) The Democrats are tightly connected to the gang that caused the problem in the first place.  The Bob Ruben wing.

But, when we're talking about the grim future Phillips has described, the time for delicacy has passed. Hence, calling like it is: The Bastards In Charge Problem.  First a little capsule history:

KEVIN PHILLIPS: It's been a bipartisan phenomenon. You can go back to the 1980s and say Reagan and George Bush, Sr., got a bubble started. Clinton got in and got an even bigger bubble going. And then George W. Bush with the biggest bubble of all. But it's not that the Clintonites didn't play. They did. Bob Rubin as Secretary of the Treasury - I mean, if he was a Hindu and he was being reincarnated, he'd come back as a pail because this guy bailed out everything you can imagine. They had the Mexican loan bailout. They had the long-term capital management bailout, the Russian Southeast Asian currency bailouts.

BILL MOYERS: All of which, however, kept them from coming into this economy, into our economy, coming to our continent.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, except that a lot of the liquidity they created and the momentum and the borrowed money produced the implosion of the bubble in 2000. And a lot of what was imploding was the $2.5 trillion in new debt that was tied to energy and telecommunications, that's Enron, WorldCom, and Global Crossing. So there was a lot more of a bubble blown up there.

Rubin was also central - Democrats more than Republicans in a lot of ways with the Clinton Administration - in getting rid of Glass Stiegel, was the old restriction that the banks couldn't tie up with brokerage firms and insurance companies. Well, basically after they made their reform led by Clinton and by Bob Rubin, you had like four-color linguini here in a bowl. It's all mixed up together.

BILL MOYERS: So you have it - for this disaster has bipartisan parentage.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Absolutely.

So, enough of the criminal past.  Now for a bit on the dismal prospects:

BILL MOYERS: No, I was going to say Obama's trademark rhetoric of inspiration seems to desert him when he talks about economic affairs.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: He doesn't seem to have anything very specific to say. That's part of the problem. A second problem is, for me at least, you know, just as I can't believe that John McCain ever wanted to get his economic advice from Phil Gramm. I mean, Phil Gramm, a former Texas Senator, appalling. He and his wife were known as Mr. and Mrs. Enron because they were so flagrant, that's McCain.

But then you've got Obama with Bob Rubin and he doesn't have any problem with the hedge fund types. I mean, one of the Chicago people was a major financer of his. He gets a guy to pick his vice-president. Turns out to be somebody who was part of the Fannie and Freddie mess.

So I don't exactly see Obama as this fellow riding in on a horse who represents all kinds of reformism. It's an important thing probably to have to change from the Republicans but I don't see that he is free of the ties to finance and Democratic Party financial types.

The Democrats' Internal Political Problem

Of course, the Rubinites aren't the only ones in the party.  Which means we're headed for one helluva fight:

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, I mean, there's several difficulties here. First of all, at this point, what you've got are the Democrats are the party right at this point that's getting most of the financial money. When Franklin D. Roosevelt won in 1932, we know he wasn't getting most of the financial money.

The second thing is I don't think we're more than partway through. The Democrats think it's going to be another 1933, they get in there, they can do all the New Deal stuff. My feeling is that they're coming in halfway and they're going to have to make hard decisions that are going to eat the Democratic coalition like a bologna sandwich. They're going to start civil wars-

BILL MOYERS: How come? What do you mean?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, if you're going to bail out Wall Street while you're saying oh, the Social Security recipients, maybe they don't even need that money. A lot of people in the financial community basically want to push Social Security on some sort of voluntary basis and needs test it and get rid of it. Now, a lot of Democrats in the labor movement are very nervous about Obama. They put out press releases talking about Rubin-nomics because they see that the flesh of the Democratic Party carries a lunchbox. But the new soul of the Democratic Party wears a pinstripe suit.

I wouldn't call it the "soul" exactly.  Wall Street ain't got no soul.  "Demonic spirit," perhaps.  But we all know what he's talking about.  And we all know it's true.  We've seen it before with Clinton, and we'd be deluding ourselves to think things have changed all that much.  The world has changed, of course.  The ruins of the Rubinite philosophy are all around us.  But political power is often quite immune to reality in the short run.

A Glimmer of Hope???

So, will this make it impossible for the Democrats to govern?  To do anything?  Well, that's a huge part of the problem that Obama's going to have to face.  The good news, I suppose, is that Phillips said he's talked with Obama, and Obama's read some of his books.  So there's a chance-however remote, that Obama could surprise us:

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, I guess I would without talking out of school particularly, Obama told me one time he read some of my books. So I would be very interested and impressed if he in January started to say something has really gone wrong in this country. And I'm not sure that I or anybody else can turn it around. But we borrowed so much money.

We've let this Las Vegas version of what used to be ordinary banks in our ordinary hometowns go berserk. Our currency is having enormous problems. People are losing their homes. We've got to face up to what our problems are and talk about how this happened. Who did it? Why? Who made the money?

Well, I think if he were to start talking about I'd take him seriously. But I think half of Washington would have a problem in their stomach needing quick relief, let me put it that way. Cause you don't rock that boat. You pretend that it's a sound economy. And if it's not sound, it's nothing that the old Democratic elixir can't fix, you know? Old New Deal in a bottle. We'll have a couple of swigs and you'll be happy again. I don't expect him to level.

Neither do I, I'm afraid.  But maybe that's something we can change.  Maybe that's something that progressive can and should organize around-"Level with us.  No more lies about where we stand."

What's It Mean For Now?

If Phillips doubts that Obama will level as President-and I agree that he won't without pressure-then what are the prospects for now, during the campaign?  For levelling?  Not much.  Snowballs have it better in Hell.  But laying the groundwork--preparing to level-that might just be possible.

What would that look like?  Simple.  Obama might say something like this:

My opponent has said a lot of things about me lately that aren't true.  But he's said one thing that is.  He's said that I don't have a solution.  He's right. I don't.  Nobody does.  But what I do have is questions-deep questions, fearless questions.  I am not afraid to ask those questions, because I know we can answer them, if we have the courage to ask them.  What is the right thing to do for everyone--including future generations-not just for the wealthy and powerful.  What assumptions are we clinging to that simply don't reflect reality anymore?

On the economy, as on everything else, Republican leaders are peddling fear-and pretending it's optomism.  "Don't ask too many questions," they say.  "Asking questions is unpatriotic."  This is their basic, unspoken message, no matter what the issue is.  And it's a message that's deeply at odds with what it means to be an American.  We are a people who have questioned virtually everything.  We have remade the world several times over, because we have been willing to question it.  We have done so in our greatest hours in the past.  We are ready to do so again.  And I am ready to lead us in that questioning.  I am not afraid of the unknown.  I embrace it. The future is always unkown.  I embrace.  Come, let us embrace it together.  We are Americans, and this is our destiny.

That's what Obama could say right now.

What say you?


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Thank you, Paul (4.00 / 1)
One of the paradigms of the current regime is "confidence". It requires diplomacy as intricate as is used in the Middle East. Or w/r/t Taiwan.

One wrong word or inflection, and a whole bunch of the pixie sticks fall and roll to the floor.

But there are a bunch of events which have already rolled a bunch of the pixie sticks to the floor - housing slump, various bankruptcies, etc.

The current regime, Rubinites and Wall Street Republicans, both are complicit in keeping as much of the pile standing as possible. That means diplomacy - treating the most anally hypersensitive people with kid gloves.

The question - has this kept the current system from a full collapse into economic depression - or does it perpetuate a continuing decline?


Can't see Obama saying it now (0.00 / 0)
but I do see a post-election campaign that demands that he level with us as playing to what Obama considers his strengths and therefore a good way to further the project of making him the best President we can make him.  

Can it happen here?

thank you (4.00 / 2)
Finally someone is taking a serious look at the depth of the problem, rather than just doing trite propaganda.

Full Court Press!  http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

The Good News: Reaganite / Turd Way Deregulation Not Utterly Dominant (4.00 / 6)
No matter how politically and economically disastrous it was, the fact was that before very, very recently, and maybe not really up until this week, not only was the Reaganite (and sub-Reaganism, "3rd Way" Democrats) approach to economics a leading philosophy, it was utterly dominant.

Yes, the Robert Rubins et al dominated Clintonian economics.

But really -- was there a real and strong rival to Rubin-style Reaganomics?  Was there anyone at the top of the power structures and punditocracy who stood a chance in hell of stopping not just some particular policy (NAFTA) but the fundamental underlying philosophy?

That's something I see as a leveling result of this crash and bailout.

The Clintonian 'Reaganite-market-fundamentalist-with-actual-good-management' approach among Democrats hasn't gone away, but for the first time in my life, and certainly in the last 30 years, there is a strong rival approach within the Democratic Party which is now publicly respectable again.

Is that as positive an optimistic view I could come up with?  Probably.

The current crisis and bailout doesn't defeat the Rubinites, but it removes the absolute worshipfulness with which their sub-Reaganism was treated.  At least now, as opposed to before, a real regulatory and social investment based approach cannot be scornfully dismissed as the province of crazy extremist liberal fringe dirty hippies.  We are all crazy extremist liberal fringe dirty hippie socialists now.  To an extent.

Give thanks for small favors, and use any opportunities your opponents give you, large or small.


Very Good Point! (4.00 / 1)
In fact, I probably should have said as much myself in the diary.  You have to start somewhere.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I was watching… (4.00 / 2)
...Kevin Phillips last night. And while he's right that the Dems are complicit in this meltdown (the Las Vegas analogy is particularly apt), I didn't buy his suggestion that select congressional Republicans may be more prone to reform at this point than Democrats. That's when you see that as a onetime Nixon employee, many of Phillips' best friends could still be Republicans.

Can I plug a book I just finished that scratches this subject? Obama's Challenge: America's Economic Crisis and the Power of a Transformative Presidency. It's by a writer named Robert Kuttner, an economist who, for me, distinguished himself a week or so ago by calling Sean Hannity a "fool" rather than be shouted down on the air. I don't know what Kuttner's progressive credentials are, but like many in the progressive community, he doesn't seem all that impressed by Obama's economic advisers. But he's not pessimistic; the book speculates about an Obama parallel with FDR, whom he says also sought advice from folks of different stripes and then went his own way. Kuttner also points out that nothing FDR did before he was elected indicated that the New Deal might be on the horizon. Some of Kuttner's solutions would no doubt sound like "New Deal in a bottle" to Phillips, but it's also true that Obama's talk about energy independence deals persuasively with one of Phillips' proposed "seven sharks" of economic ruin. That's the kind of intellectual independence that the progressive community can try to hold Obama to.

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams


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Robert Kuttner (4.00 / 3)
I don't know what Kuttner's progressive credentials are,

Co-founded The American Prospect, for one.

His book, Everything for Sale: The Virtues and Limits of Markets was one of the most outstanding books on economics of the late 1990s.  For one thing, well before others, in droves, latched onto behavioural economics as means for trying to prop up economic orthodoxy, he used behavioural economics much more naturally to attack said orthodoxy.

At The American Prospect they say:

Robert Kuttner is co-founder and co-editor of The American Prospect magazine, as well as a Distinguished Senior Fellow of the think tank Demos. He was a longtime columnist for Business Week, and continues to write columns in the Boston Globe.

The Squandering of America, exploring the political roots of America's narrowing prosperity and the systemic financial risks facing the U.S. economy, is his seventh book. The book was recently honored with the Sidney Hillman Journalism Award. He has begun work on a new book on trade, equality, efficiency, and the challenge of regulating global capitalism.

Bob's best-known earlier book is Everything for Sale: the Virtues and Limits of Markets (1997). The book received a page one review in the New York Times Book Review. Of it, the late economist Robert Heilbroner wrote, "I have never seen the market system better described, more intelligently appreciated, or more trenchantly criticized than in Everything for Sale."

His previous books on economics and politics include; The End of Laissez-Faire (1991); The Life of the Party (1987); The Economic Illusion (1984); and Revolt of the Haves (1980).

His magazine writing has appeared in The New York Times Magazine and Book Review, The Atlantic, The New Republic, The New Yorker, Foreign Affairs, Dissent, Columbia Journalism Review, and Harvard Business Review. He has contributed major articles to The New England Journal of Medicine as a national policy correspondent.

His other positions have included national staff writer on the Washington Post, chief investigator of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, and economics editor of The New Republic.

Robert Kuttner was educated at Oberlin, The London School of Economics, and the University of California at Berkeley. He has taught at Brandeis, Boston University, the University of Massachusetts, and Harvard's Institute of Politics.

For four decades, Bob's intellectual and political project has been to revive the politics and economics of harnessing capitalism to serve a broad public interest. He has pursued this ideal as a writer, editor, teacher, lecturer, commentator and public official.

I don't think Kuttner could fairly be described as "New Deal in a bottle."  He knows damn well that what worked 70 years ago cannot simply be applied again without considering the vastly different circumstances of today's world.  It's really important, therefore, for progressives to pay attention to folks like him, who've been thinking hard about these issues for a long time now.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Thanx for the assessment. (4.00 / 2)
I really dug the book. I saw Phillips' comment about "New Deal in a bottle" as something of a reflex. As I said, Kuttner talks a lot about FDR in the book, so some folks might be persuaded by his glib dismissal.

Btw, Kuttner reserves one of the most scathing criticisms in the book for Clinton advisers. In talking about how DLC-type strategies address right-wing ideology by reinforcing it, he offers this: "Had advisers like Clinton's triangulators Dick Morris or Mark Penn been counseling Abraham Lincoln, we might still have slavery, though perhaps with some labor standards." YIKES! I had to read that line twice.

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams


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I know he is normally scum ... (4.00 / 1)
but did you see Senator Shelby's(of Alabama) comments yesterday? .. he's the Republican ranking member of the Banking committee .. he called the bailout a travesty ... whether he'll vote against it .. and get others to as well .. I don't know .. it might make things interesting .. can he get 40 Senators to help filibuster it?

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Pure Unadulterated Evil Is Rare (4.00 / 2)
Which is why you really have to hand it to Bush/Cheney.

The Shelbys of this world are far more common.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Not another one... (0.00 / 0)
Great, another person doing a chicken census in the egg aisle.

Sigh.


Please Re-Read The Last Section of My Post (0.00 / 0)
The one titled, "What's It Mean For Now?".

I'm just one of those crazy people who thinks that how you campaign and how you would govern have some sort of connection, and need to be thought about, rather than mindlessly fumbled with.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If I remember my history correctly, FDR campaigned in '32 on a balanced budget. (0.00 / 0)
So it did not happen that way then.


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An Old Half-Truth (4.00 / 1)
FDR was also the Governor of New York, where he aggressively presided over the largest public welfare system in the nation.  Plus, it was a good half-decade before Keynsian economics even began to be vaguely noted here in America.  So with that realworld context in mind, his "balanced budget" campaigning needs to be seen in a very different light.

Roosevelt continued to talk about, and think in terms of a balanced budget until his premature attempt to cut back spending, and balance the budget precipitated the recession of '37/'38.  It was only after that that Keynsianism firmly took hold in his administration.

But none of that meant that he had the sort of hard-hearted insensitivity to the plight of the poor that would later be associated with "balanced budget" narratives.  That is a wildly ahistorical misreading of what he was all about.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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So... (0.00 / 0)
Let's think this through.  We're now about 50 days out from election day.  Let's say you and the other folks meet with Obama tonight, lay out a fully progressive economic plan and convince him to go with it.

In the 7 weeks remaining, how does Obama throw out his current plan and sell this new one?

1. ____________
2. ____________
3. ____________
4. ____________
5. ____________
6. ____________
7. ____________

November 4th, win the election.


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Exactly The Way I Wrote In My Diary (0.00 / 0)
I don't expect Obama to change both style and substance mid-stream, much less this close to election day.  That's why I wrote a message in a style that suits him.  The message I wrote doesn't tie him to my vision, or any progressive vision, but it opens the door.

Would I like him to do more?  Sure!  Does he need to say or do more to lay the groundwork for taking progressive action once he's elected?  No.

Do I think he would do better, and have longer coat-tails if he said or did something more?  Yes, if it's the right thing.

But does this mean " throw[ing] out his current plan and sell[ing] this new one?"  Not necessarily, since he didn't have a plan to deal with what just happened the past few weeks.  No one did.

What might a good start look like?  Simple: Pledge to keep people in their homes.  Just as it's arguably necessary to stabilize major financial institutions, regardless of blame, in order to protect others, it is similarly necessary to protect homebuyers, in order to protect others--including folks who've owned their own homes for 10-20 years or more.  You can add that it's going to take a lot of work, and there's going to be some sacrifices all around, but it's going to be an openly-planned process that will allow ordinary Americans to know where they stand, and begin to plan their long-term economic recovery on a firm footing.

I could add a lot more detail, but that would really just get in the way at this point in a campaign.  The important point is that any help for the financial sector morally has to be balanced with help for those who were taken advantage of in the runup to this crisis.  What I am suggesting is a readily comprehensible way of making that pledge.  I think that such a pledge would probably be worth a minimum of 1% in the polls, maybe as much as 3-5%.  And quite possibly 1-3 Senate seats, too.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Now that the US Government is taking ownership (0.00 / 0)
And assuming we have a Democratic party that wants to take control -

What policies are appropriate for companies now under US ownership, such as AIG?


this follows the script of disaster capitalism, its disaster bailout (4.00 / 2)
In the NYT the reports about the bailout are straight from the shock doctrine-

In telephone briefings with lawmakers, Mr. Paulson and the Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, sought to make it clear that the price of doing nothing could be calamitous. "If we don't get this, it will be nothing short of a disaster for our markets," Mr. Bernanke told House Republicans

Disaster capitalism it is .. Naomi Klein is calling it correctly

The massive debts the public is accumulating to bail out the speculators will then become part of a global budget crisis that will be the rationalization for deep cuts to social programs, and for a renewed push to privatize what is left of the public sector. We will also be told that our hopes for a green future are, sadly, too costly.

the silver lining to the cloud-

Now that it's clear that governments can indeed act in times of crises, it will become much harder for them to plead powerlessness in the future. Another potential shift has to do with market hopes for future privatizations. For years, the global investment banks have been lobbying politicians for two new markets: one that would come from privatizing public pensions and the other that would come from a new wave of privatized or partially privatized roads, bridges and water systems. Both of these dreams have just become much harder to sell: Americans are in no mood to trust more of their individual and collective assets to the reckless gamblers on Wall Street, especially because it seems more than likely that taxpayers will have to pay to buy back their own assets when the next bubble bursts.

http://www.naomiklein.org/arti...

On BBC Klein says this is absolutely a moment when the left needs to step in with their alternatives, rethink the idea of institutions too big to fail-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/pro...


True, It Follows The Script (0.00 / 0)
But it goes to far, as all addictive processes do, sooner or later.  Which is why there's a chance for turnaround here.

Thanks for the links/quotes.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My intelligent partner (4.00 / 2)
has come up with a description of the bailout as the S.L.I.M.E. Act, the Successful Looting and Investment Manager Employment Act. At least someone wins while the people lose.

More seriously, I am just glad that there seems to be some opposition to simply giving away the country to the rich. As several remarked up thread, we have to start somewhere and after the last 28 years, there's barely a plank to stand on.

Can it happen here?


The situation Phillips describes (0.00 / 0)
lives so deep in the root of this country that it seems beyond the ability of electoral politics to resolve. It is one aspect of a kind of feedback system where economic, financial, social, mythological, political, electoral, environmental factors tangle and merge with a complexity that defies comprehension.

The suggestion for what Obama could say is exactly what needs to be said, at least for starters. Is there any way for the present political system to allow Americans to actually face the answers to those questions? I think it would take a massive tearing down and rebuilding of the way our political and electoral systems work -- with a primary goal of destroying the two party system to create a platform where a multiplicity of ideological voices are heard. You can't have consensus when you start in the middle -- discussion has to start with real ideas, not pablum.

The current crisis will do its damage and recede for now, the cost of the bankruptcy will be hidden some more, other scapegoats will be found to explain it. Americans will yet again seek to reanimate the corpses of comforting economic and social homilies. Until next time.

We need to do our damnedest for Obama in order to build some space for developing a real and significant Left in this country -- one that is ready to ask the deepest questions when the broken wheel comes around again. Only this time we really have to do it, and not confuse necessary progress with the Democratic Party.


Bailout message: "'We are all in this together" (4.00 / 1)
This is a great post and a great thread.

In the last sections of his post Paul suggests that progressives organize around the message "level with us" and then suggests a strong (and eloquent) message Obama could convey to the American people about asking (and then answering) "deep, fearless" questions, specifically, "what is the right thing to do for everyone" and that Americans' destiny is and has always been to "embrace the unknown future."

I looked for a link to this proposed Obama statement and, not finding one, I assume Paul came up with it himself.  I think it hits pretty close to the bulls-eye.

In some respects, El Cid (and others) are right in saying that a key message of the bailout is that, "we're all socialists now," including Wall Street and Republican "privatizers" and "market worshippers."

But what Paul's proposed "Obama message" does is invite public consciousness to internalize a different version of the "we're all socialists now" message, one that can pack more productively progressive political punch.

The bailout, occurring as it does in an environment of acutely triggered fear, creates a ripe opening not only for the dark side of Klein's "shock doctrine," but also for Obama to step up and offer an alternative along the lines that Paul suggests in his closing.

I think the theme that "we're all in this together" is a potent one now for the Obama campaign and progressives.

The shock of last week's financial earthquakes, followed by a massive and clearly "socialistic" bailout can serve as a progressive shock therapy.  During this therapy, Americans can internalize the understanding that political and economic elites have privatized wealth and economic growth while socializing risk and economic loss.  Part of this new understanding can and should include a recognition that Republican free-market philosophy, especially as practiced in Washington, has been what Woody Allen once called "a travesty of a mockery of a sham."  And a deeply (and now blatantly) hypocritical one at that.

Speaking of shams, McCain is attempting to sell himself as a reformer and avenging angel that will single-handedly fight Wall Street greed.  Fortunately for us, his record and campaign make this a hard sell.  Palin can help him sell this to the rightwing base, but shows signs of making the sale tougher for the rest of the population.

Yesterday, after a few hours of struggling with decisions about how to handle my mother-in-law's modest nest egg, my wife turned on the TV just in time for me to catch most of the finale of the final season of The West Wing, which covered the final day of the Bartlet-Santos transition.  I have to admit it gave me the chills, and made me feel glad and inspired to be an American at this time of crisis and opportunity.  

While no fictional Matt Santos, Obama strikes me as someone who has the potential to become a great president who combines progressive boldness with savvy and productive pragmatism.  At the same time, I share a milder version of the concerns expressed by Paul, Matt and many others that his progressivism remains dangerously vague, undeveloped and clouded by a conventional wisdom fed by a corrupt Washington and a Chicago academics too-long dominated by the right.

As I see it, a key role for the netroots will be to push Obama--strategically, respectfully and relentlessly--toward progressive policies based on 'real value' (not bubbles and bubble-based metrics) and real human values, including dignitarian principles that acknowledge "we're all in this together."  

Yesterday I saw a brief segment on cable with the guy who wrote the book "Obamanomics."  It was too short for me to tell much about the book (and the author, who I think was an ex-Wall Street guy)), but its subtitle was something about "bottom up" economic growth.

My very crude sense of history is that the 1970s witnessed some serious energy-related economic shocks that could have served as wake-up calls.  Though I was paying virtually no attention to politics at the time (too busy meditating), my sense is that Carter attempted to convey the nature of the wake-up call to the American people.  Instead, they opted for the Republican myth-making machine, which has dominated American politics since 1980.  At that time I was emerging from a life focused on internal "consciousness raising" and found myself attracted to the Citizens Party, whose presidential candidate environmentalist Barry Commoner laid out a very commonsensical approach to the transition we could have begun nearly 40 years ago.  I remember driving Commoner to the Detroit airport after a fascinating (and fairly substantive) debate in Ann Arbor with the Libertarian candidate.  As we chatted, I sensed the truth and power of the ideas he was presenting.  

An equally strong memory from that time was sitting with my brother and some friends watching the 1980 election returns.  As it became clear that Reagan would win, I sensed strongly that the majority of Americans had chosen not to heed the wake-up call, but instead to go even more deeply to sleep.  To a large extent, our current situation is another, even more urgent, wake-up call.  

To get back to Obama's economic policies, my sense is that the "behavioral economics" approach he seems to favor represents a useful perspective for designing specific execution elements of public policy.  But it alone does little to guide the fundamental values and direction of public policy.

The immediate task for the netroots seems to be to help destroy the Republican myths (launched by Reagan) which McCain is trying to combine with his own personal mythology and the "God-fearing" hatefulness and hypocrisy embodied by Palin.  The financial meltdown seems likely to help significantly in that regard.

The next (and mostly post-election) task is for the netroots to work hard and smart to insure that the wake-up call ignored in 1980 (and since) is heard and responded to this time around.  

I take Obama at his word when he invites us to hold him accountable.  One element of that accountability is to push him to implement the kind of Internet-enabled "transparency" he's talked about, where government-citizen two-way communication are empowered and democratized by modern communication technology.  This is the netroots home playing field, and an arena where we need to have seats at the policymaking table.

Creating this kind of tech-enabled democracy-enhancing citizen-government interaction will, in turn, help us insure we get seats at the table for developing policies in other areas like healthcare, energy, trade, etc.

The current economic crisis pretty much assures that the next president will inherit challenges whose scale, complexity and acuteness will rival any we've seen since the 1930s and 40s.  

As someone concerned about the health and safety of my loved ones and fellow citizens, this sometimes scares the shit out of me.  But as a citizen who watched the country hit a 38-year snooze-bar when faced with a wake-up call in 1980, I welcome the opportunity.

Sorry for the length and rambling nature of this comment.  Paul's posts sometimes have that affect on me.



Thanks For This Wonderful Comment, Mitch! (0.00 / 0)
I agree whole-heartedly about Carter, Commoner and the snooze button.  (I got to meet Barry Commoner 8 years later, putting on an event with him as part of 2-man "Environmental Activists for Jesse Jackson" team.)

In one sense, I think that this crisis erupting now really might be a gift.  Happening now, during the campaign, it has to be addressed, but can't be resolved, and clearly can't be simply blamed on Obama.  So we really can think about using his process committments and the urgency of the situation to push hard for the sort of real, bottom-up, egalitarian solutions than actually can work for everyone, rather than just getting more phony rhetoric along those lines.

Making all that happen won't be easy, of course.  But at least it's somehow conceivable.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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the netroots organically but also systematically develop a body of citizen-backed proposals for dealing with the current crisis and its underlying causes.

This might entail carving out a significant portion of the netroots' center-stage to:  1) showcase the best and brightest of our progressive economic experts and their  proposals for dealing with the financial crisis;  2) collectively and in a reasonably organized fashion, critique and synthesize these proposals;  3) distill from them one or more "citizen-friendly" and "citizen-supported" approaches to deal with the current situation and its causes and; 4)perhaps go so far as to develop one or more specific legislative proposals.

To maximize its impact, we'd want to back this bottoms-up policy development effort with an equally concerted effort to push netroots-backed diagnoses and remedies into the political discussion, including assertive but respectful efforts to engage with Obama's economic advisors.  The goal would be to push him toward solutions that are both progressive and politically marketable.  The current financial market meltdown and Republican embrace of massive "bail-out the rich guys socialism" opens a very wide window for solutions that have both of these characteristics.

During this pre-election phase it seems important to keep in mind the near-term goal of winning the election, preferably by a large margin for POTUS and in terms of seats in Congress.  

This pre-election bottoms-up policy development and pushing of Obama has the potential to help him develop a winning campaign strategy and message, while also setting a precedent and foundation for continued progressive policy development, political pushing and productive engagement after the election. I wouldn't expect him to fully embrace our proposals right away, but this kind of effort would at the least help the netroots as a whole learn more about the issues and progressive solutions, and also about Obama and his team, in preparation for less restrained pushing and advocacy next year.

While The West Wing TV drama ended with the inauguration of Matt Santos, the inauguration of Obama can trigger a new season of real-world drama, with the progressive netroots playing an expanded role as actor, director, editor and screenwriter.

In this new season we can finally respond to long-ignored wake-up calls, and rekindle the feeling of unity we briefly felt in the wake of 9-11, which the Rovians' exploited by sowing fear and reaping and manipulating blind hate and ignorance.

From that perspective, the current financial crisis strikes me as the start of the current (overly-long) season's cliffhanger finale.  Personally, I especially liked The West Wings' "Two Cathedrals."  But I think we can do even better in real life, even without "Brothers in Arms" as soundtrack in the closing scene.


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