Progressives Beginning to Break Off from the Bailout UPDATED

by: Matt Stoller

Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 13:19



Things are obviously moving very quickly, and I'm not sure what the shape of the final bill will look like.  I'm hearing rumors that at least three or four moderately progressive House members are wavering on voting for the bailout unless it includes provisions for a revision of parts of the bankruptcy code, specifically to allow judges to include primary mortgages in bankruptcy settlements.  Progressives have eaten a lot of shit for this bailout, and they are near the breaking point.  Most Republicans won't go for it unless the bill is 'clean' (Paulson's original demand), which means that if enough members band together to stop this train, progressives might end up as a swing bloc and put the brakes on it.

Nancy Pelosi apparently met with 40-50 moderate to conservative Democrats today or last night, and one bone of contention is the bankruptcy provision.  Melissa Bean, John Tanner, and the usual Blue Dog suspects are carrying water for the industry, so it should be obvious at this point that a reform of the industry isn't going to happen if it doesn't happen now.  Pelosi is willing to strip bankruptcy provisions, while Obama is backing off his earlier statements that he's willing to do that.

Pete Stark is not the only member who thinks this bailout is bullshit, but I don't have a sense of whether there's an organized progressive opposition.  A lot is going to depend on whether McCain/Boehner/Bush can round up Republican votes for anything but Paulson's bill.

I don't understand why anyone can even consider voting for this.  I mean, Republicans, yes, that's who they are, a corrupt group of organized criminals.  And Blue Dogs, sure, they are just a little more whiny and stupid about their corruption.  But for your average Democrat, this doesn't make any sense.  Wall Street is already saying they'll need an additional $500 billion after the $700 billion.

I'm heading to the protest on Wall Street.  There's a labor organized one at noon, and a less tame version at 4pm where people are going to bring their random junk to sell to the government.  You can find a rally via TrueMajority, who have done yeoman's work organizing this.  And let me just add that labor leaders are much tamer than their members.

Man I wish I had a pitchfork.  Even if I couldn't use it for anything, at least I could sell it to the Federal government for a few million (soon to be worthless) dollars.  Remember, if we all put our pitchforks together into a pile, that pile can become too big to fail.

UPDATE:  Pelosi is collecting a list of members who will vote no on the bailout should bankruptcy provisions not be included.  This list will be finalized at 3pm, at which point she will bring it to her negotiations with Bush.  One of the reasons the industry is fighting these provisions so hard is that they would in many cases force banks to mark to market the assets on their books, and show some of these institutions as simply insolvent.  If bankruptcy provisions are in there, we'll be able to separate the good from the bad banks and let the bad ones go under.  

If we know that bad banks are allowed to go under, then this puts more confidence in the good banks remaining.  Otherwise, the roulette wheel continues.  I think this bailout is utter crap, but at the very least, members should vote no if there are no bankruptcy provisions in there.  Because if they vote yes, there will be more and uglier bailouts coming.

Update 2 (Chris): Democrats claim there is a deal, but Republicans deny it. Sure looks like Republicans are preparing to oppose the bailout. It would be political and financial suicide to go through with it now.

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I fear this is Hari-Kiri of the worst order for Democrats (4.00 / 2)
Polls show 90% unpopular, regarding the bailout (maybe not, but calls are running 9 out of 10 against)

Republicans will have no problem cutting hammer ads on the democrats who vote for this: (I am repeating examples from a comment below).

1. Limo with 3 leering executives, laughing about how with the bailout, they get to buy a 4th home/make millions more - voiceover - COURTESY OF DEMOCRATS (or the particular Congressman in question).

2. John and Mary American (typical couple), knock on the door - a Democratic Congressman, and a smilling, dressed to the nines Wall Street guy.  Democratic Congressman says "give me $5000 dollars. Confused, John and Mary do this.  Congressman hands the money to Wall Street Executive, says "thanks for saving the financial system".  Voiceover:  Democrats have taken $5000 from every regular couple to give it to Wall Street fat cats - like they always do.  is that the change you can believe in?

3. Mother and child, playing.  Democratic Congressman rolls up, goes over to child, hands him a $5000 bill.  "you'll need to pay this as soon as you are older.  Thanks for helping out Wall Street", and then drives off.  Mother and child confused.

The ads WRITE THEMSELVES.

How stupid can democrats be?  There is no political upside to this, at all - AT ALL.  

So why - 40 days before the election - give these guys anything, except for what is needed, til the new year?


I don't think they'd pass it (4.00 / 3)
Unless the majority of Republicans, including John McCain, vote for it. Nancy Pelosi has said she's not walking the plank alone.

I hope the Dems stick to their guns and do nothing if the Republicans don't join in. But secretly I'm hoping enough Republicans balk that the bailout can't pass.

Who the hell would really vote for this thing?

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[ Parent ]
I hope you are right (0.00 / 0)
But Barney Frank seems to be charging ahead, from what I can see, talking about how he's lined up the votes.  He's PROUD of his work here, because in his mind, he's saving the system, not seeing the bear trap that this is for Democrats in general.


[ Parent ]
Take a look at this article (0.00 / 0)
Boehner says no deal

Boehner: As I told our Conference this morning, there is no bipartisan deal at this time," Boehner said. "There may be a deal among some Democrats, but House Republicans are not a part of it.

Does THAT look like the act of a Republican who is going to sign off on this thing?


[ Parent ]
"Who the hell would really vote for this thing?" (0.00 / 0)
If you collected a good portion of your campaign funds from Wall Street investment firms, would rather have them go bankrupt, or get a nice fat check from the US Treasury?

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[ Parent ]
No blank check for Wall Street! (4.00 / 2)
Good luck at the protest ... and please spread the word about the No blank check for Wall Street Facebook group, now with a logo!  

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how many Congress critters who are backing the bailout (0.00 / 0)
are willing to resign if it doesn't work?

Bear Stearns got $30 billion.
Fannie and Freddie got $200 billion.
AIG got $85 billion.

And we still need a $700 billion bailout. When does it end?


$3 trillion (0.00 / 0)
Kramer, the wacko guy on CNBC, said Wall Street borrowed $3 trillion for an expansion that never took place.  As he said, "somebody's got to pay it back."

[ Parent ]
if the bailout is primarily a Blue Dog project (4.00 / 3)
it definitely deserves to fail.

As Atrios points out, these Blue Dog assholes have done more to explode the national debt than any progressive Democrats. Iraq War. Wall Street bailouts.


Good for you (4.00 / 2)
I called Chuck Schumer's office today, said that AT THE VERY LEAST they should knock the number down to $150 billion. I was told that they were trying to do that.

We'll see what this final deal includes. I don't like this thing at all, and I've called every congressperson I can to express my rage.  They really need to take more time.

You'd think that one month before an election, they wouldn't want to do something that pisses people off. What if the Dow Jones falls even after this bailout scheme? What will they say then?

I hope conservatives and progressives come together to stop this thing. It's a train wreck.

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I agree... bailout needs to be a lot less... (0.00 / 0)
I don't like the bailout, but I also think that something may be necessary.  I don't think we'll be in a depression next Monday as McCain and the GOP seem to be saying, but I do think that there are a lot of potential problems without some form of bailout.

The number needs to be knocked down.


[ Parent ]
Sounds about right (4.00 / 1)
Without bankruptcy provisions, there is no way to even stem the tide at $700M. If that means the bill is stopped, and we have to wait a while longer, so be it.

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Bailout protests (0.00 / 0)
Thank you, Matt for weighing in on this. While we have been actively staging protests all week against this bill, the only way that we are going to make sure that regular people benefit from any legislation being passed is to keep the pressure on Congress right up until the very last minute.

Currently we have 250 protests around the country today (not including the many protests scheduled separately through the unions and other local organizations) and have made over 20,000 phone calls to Congress.

The only way D.C. is going to hear us is if we make our voice heard. So please, join a protest today, call your Senator or Representative, write a letter. Any and all efforts are appreciated.

(Please consult your local Yellow Pages for the pitchfork merchant nearest you.)

CeCe Grant
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You're all wrong, every damn one of you, I tell ya (4.00 / 1)
I feel like I need an onion belt but I really want to tell everyone in this thread to get the hell offa my lawn.

We need to see the exact details but the Dodd bill appears to have most or all of the following: help for renters; equity-focus; payback for taxpayers; punitive measures; including against CEO pay; oversight, transparency, and regulation; and traunche financing. I hope it addresses mortgages in a way that allow for homeowner relief and a soft landing without overly increasing moral hazard and keeping housing prices overly inflated -- but that may be getting jettisoned.

It doesn't have any of the typical Republican add-on bullshit like permanent tax cuts or further deregulation.

Yes, Virginia, there really is an impending global economic collapse. Yes, Virginia, this really will help avoid it.


A few things (0.00 / 0)
1. Let's wait and see what gets voted on, as you say

2. This actually doesn't affect the juicy negative ads that can be written by Republicans against their democratic opponents who vote for this.  Those ads will work just fine, no matter how good some of the features are in the bill.

3. You still don't head on tackle the biggest issue - why not a stopgap, until there is a new administration? Springing this with basically a week to go in the calendar?  Voting on this right now?  Why not a stopgap, and then write this up exactly as we want to (with a larger democratic Congress) next term?


[ Parent ]
What juicy adds? (0.00 / 0)
This thing is going to, almost without a doubt, pump the market back up. It's going to pump global markets back up.

We still don't have one drop of polling on the Dodd bill. It may turn out to be pretty damn popular.


[ Parent ]
And I just want to reiterate (0.00 / 0)
that all of my arguments are made under the assumption, which might not turn out to be correct, that the bill particulars will turn out to be pretty close to what they're being billed as.

[ Parent ]
Bankruptcy Provisions are a Wedge Winner (4.00 / 1)
Help for Wall Street but not for Main Street? Bail out the greedy money guys but no help for the average homeowner? The GOP wants to block help for Main Street/homeowners?

How is this not a slam dunk winner for Obama and the Democrats? Why on earth would they cede this ground?

Imagine Obama walking out of the meeting with Bush, McCain et al and saying "No deal unless there's relief for homeowners too." Is this really where McCain/GOP want to draw the line and focus debate? I mean, please, make it happen.


It's in the bill (0.00 / 0)
According to Dodd just now, at least.

[ Parent ]
I don't understand (4.00 / 1)
the connection with the bankruptcy provision (which I assume relates to dealing with primary residences during bankruptcy proceedings) and the point about it revealing which banks are "bad."  

Can anyone explain how these are connected?

Does anyone know of a way to see updated language being considered beyond the original Paulson bill and the two-page document summarizing goals of the Dem leadership (which was available at TPM and maybe other sites)?

Re: alternative approaches, David S. points to a good column by James Galbraith.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Galbraith takes a broad and very sensible approach, but its breadth would make it a tough sell under the current near-term circumstances.

Among his comments on the specific issue of actually helping homeowners:

The present [housing] slump...could be resolved in three years, rather than 10, by a new Home Owners Loan Corp., which would rewrite mortgages, manage rental conversions and decide when vacant, degraded properties should be demolished. Set it up like a draft board in each community, under federal guidelines, and get to work.

Galbraith's reference to the Depression's HOLC is in sync with the HOME approach proposed by prescient NYU prof. Nouriel Roubini, which I tried to summarize in this diary:
http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

According to Roubini:

[G]overnment purchase of distressed mortgages to provide debt relief to households (an HOLC-like institution)...is the most important and effective to resolve this severe financial and economic crisis.

Roubini calls this updated version of the Depression's HOLC "HOME" (Home Owners' Mortgage Enterprise), which I think is a politically potent name, since it reminds people that helping Americans keep their homes is a lot more important than asking these already-stressed homeowners to bail out wealthy elites whose serious gambling problem needs the kind of help offered by Gamblers Anonymous, not a $700 bil. bailout.

Roubini's basic plan is to:

1. Focus first on funding a HOME program to directly help mortgage holders;
2. Once this is done, it'll be clearer which financial institutions are ailing but solvent (vs. insolvent) and therefore worthy of government support.
3.  When that support is extended, taxpayers should be granted preferred shares that are "senior to common shares and other preferred shares (and carry a high enough dividend)."  These taxpayer shares "should also be senior relative to all of the other creditors of the bank (with the exception of insured deposits)...Sub-debt holders of banks (and creditors other than insured deposits) should be appropriately whacked if needed to ensure market discipline and avoid future moral hazard."

Soros also had some useful things to say that are fairly consistent with the approaches favored by Roubini and Galbraith:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9973...

Here's Soros' comment on foreclosures and bankruptcy:

Something also needs to be done on the supply side. To prevent housing prices from overshooting on the downside, the number of foreclosures has to be kept to a minimum. The terms of mortgages need to be adjusted to the homeowners' ability to pay.

The rescue package leaves this task undone. Making the necessary modifications is a delicate task rendered more difficult by the fact that many mortgages have been sliced up and repackaged in the form of collateralised debt obligations. The holders of the various slices have conflicting interests. It would take too long to work out the conflicts to include a mortgage modification scheme in the rescue package. The package can, however, prepare the ground by modifying bankruptcy law as it relates to principal residences.

Based on what Galbraith and Roubini propose, I'm not convinced Soros is right that "it would take too long to work out the conflicts to include a mortgage modification scheme in the rescue package," but at least these three experts are talking about what's important.

In addition to challenging a premature rush to a Paulson-friendly bailout, we should be pushing experts like these guys front and center.


Blue Dog hypocrisy (4.00 / 1)
It's amazing that the self-titled (and self-aggrandizing) "Fiscally conservative" Blue Dogs who wouldn't pony up $5 in government funds to help their ailing grandmother , are now ponying up $700 billion to suck up to Wall Street.

True colors, eh.


Do you actually know anyone who's for it? (0.00 / 0)
I haven't met anyone of any political stripe who is for this bailout. People are just mad as hell and everyone has a better way to spend $700B.

Here's my favorite example, from my wife. Why not just pay down bad mortgages to the point where people can afford the payments again? We'd go a LONG way toward making things solvent with 700 billion bucks. Maybe it wouldn't get 'em all, but it would get a lot of bad debt off the books. And all those rocky companies wouldn't be so rickety. Hmmm.

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