Losing A Battle To Win The War? Robert Reich on The Bailout

by: Paul Rosenberg

Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 10:00



Writing at TPM, former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich provides a useful perspective on the political machinations to secure a Wall Street bailout.  Useful in two senses: It can help us cope both psychologically and politically with the strong possibility of losing the upcoming vote in the House of Representatives.  He writes:

An important distinction here. While more Americans are coming around to "supporting" the bailout bill, the vast majority still hate the idea of bailing out Wall Street. They're for the bailout bill now only because they fear that a failure to pass it will have worse consequences -- drying up credit at a time when Main Street is struggling. But make no mistake: America is mad as hell. They resent what they perceive as extortion by the Masters of the Universe.

The GOP is trying to steal the mantel of angry populism that should rightfully be ours, now that their treasured faith in the "free market" has been thoroughly discredited. Even if they do manage to save a few House seats this way, they are running on fumes. The much more difficult challenge will be dealing with Obama's championing of "bi-/post-partisanship", which has shown it's moral bankruptcy once again in support for the (lipstickized) Paulson Plan.  Reich represents the hope that this is, in the larger scheme of things, more means than ends.

Paul Rosenberg :: Losing A Battle To Win The War? Robert Reich on The Bailout
Reich balances outrage with the bailout with some hope about long-term opportunities that remain:

Democrats should be angry populists, given their traditional role of protecting and championing the underdogs in American politics, and especially considering the absurdly wide gap that's opened up between the rich and everyone else. But in recent years Democrats have ceded the mantle to Republicans, who now mimic the faux populism of Sean Hannity and other right-wing talk show demagogues....

In fact, the bailout bill isn't really taxpayer supported. It will be funded by additional federal debt, issued mostly to foreign governments -- especially the Chinese and in the Middle East. And, strictly speaking, it's not even a bailout. The Treasury will buy and hold mortgage-backed securities whose value is now unknown because there's no market for them, until housing prices start rising again, by which time the securities should be worth something -- perhaps even more than the Treasury pays for them....

But whatever it's called and however it's financed, it's still an outrage. America's foreign policy is made no more flexible by going into deeper hock to the Chinese and the Middle East. And the deal still subjects American taxpayers to some risk, especially if the housing market doesn't bounce back for many years. Worse, the bill can't help but prop up the earnings many Wall Street executives whose malfeasance, greed, and stupidity got us into this mess in the first place. And it does nothing for average Americans except avoid economic calamity....

The larger economic outlook is not encouraging. All signs point to the economy worsening, bailout or no bailout. Unemployment will continue to rise. Median earnings will continue to drop, adjusted for inflation. More Americans will lose their health insurance.

The Era of Angry Populism has only just begun. Let's hope Obama wins, and is able to mobilize the anger into fierce pressure on Congress to get his agenda enacted, as well as reform Wall Street and Washington.

What Reich is doing here is preserving hope--with what I believe is a rational, fact-based argument.  As ever, hope is not a plan.  But it points quite clearly to what a plan should or at least could be all about.

And that's not chopped liver.

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Obama (4.00 / 6)
Watching Obama justify the bailout is truly painful.  It shows his mulitple personalities between being a great leader and being business as usual.  

but... (4.00 / 1)
The problem is you, not Obama.

What I mean by that is that Obama has never run as a populist, his is fairly pragmatic I would almost say centrist really (not nearly the liberal the GOP depicts him as).

That being said, I think too many progressives automatically stamp a populist label on him because he happens to be the Democratic candidate.  It's a recipe for disappointment IMO.

I think those who are saying that Obama sees this plan as the best case scenario under the circumstances are probably accurate.  think about it, with the palpable outrage in the general public, a far easier path for Obama to take is to simply echo the "no bailout" stance.  But I actually give Obama credit for going against the mob mentality and doing what he thinks will have the larger benefit long term.  

Even the founders meant for the Senate to be less run by the whims of the electorate and more by what is in the best interests of the nation.  The House was meant to represent the emotion and fire of the people, the Senate was supposed to be our brain and cautious inner voice.


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He's a black Ben Nelson (0.00 / 0)
politically.

Ben Nelson would win with 70% of the vote, Obama wins with 50%.

Why the difference?


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Not quite Ben Nelson... (0.00 / 0)
I would say he's a little more leftie than Ben Nelson for sure.

However, the answer to your original question, I suspect, is Melanine concentrations.


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Even the founders? (4.00 / 1)
Of course the founders didn't want the Senate to be vulnerable to popular pressure. They were a group of slave-owning oligarchs who weren't about to hand over their hard-won power to their social inferiors.

That was two hundred years ago, when democracy was a dirty word and elites shutting the public out of decision-making was not just normal but perceived as the only moral thing to do.

You can't defend the Senate with arguments about the founders. They lived in a very different time and represented very different interests to us.

Hell, half the problem with the Senate is that it's entirely too similar to the original conception of it.

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Not taxpayer supported? (4.00 / 1)
In fact, the bailout bill isn't really taxpayer supported. It will be funded by additional federal debt

That is like saying that the expensive vacation you just charged on your credit card is not really coming out of your salary.


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The Point Here Is That (4.00 / 1)
(a) it's not going to come directly and immediately out of the taxpayers' hide and (b) therefore neither does the cost of anything in Obama's agenda, so (c) Obama can still move forward with his agenda intact.

Clearly, there is a limit to how far this can be pushed.  But it's damn well worth pushing it, as opposed to letting the GOP revert to whining over every dollar the Dems want to spend on folks with incomes under $75k.

Folks tend to forget (or never to have even heard) that the Federal debt as % of GDP--the only meaningful way to look at it, macro-economically--had declined consistently under every President after WWII until Ronald Reagan, at which point it began rising dramatically.  The only reason that the federal debt is any kind of problem is because of the GOP.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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IMO (0.00 / 0)
This all gets revisited in early February.  

I would not be surprised to see Obama make his own additions later on- transaction tax on stocks to make up for lost revenue, etc.  In addition to re-regulating the banking industry.


It Could Happen (4.00 / 6)
But it won't just happen.  It will take a lot of political pressure.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Moral bankruptcy? (0.00 / 0)
See, this is where I believe criticism of Obama (and others) crosses the line into demonizing.

I can understand disagreeing with the bailout, and disagreeing with postpartisanship/bipartisanship.  But honest people do believe in both.  I don't think labeling those views as morally bankrupt is helpful.


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Oops, that last comment was not meant to be a reply (0.00 / 0)


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But It IS Morally Bankrupt To Reward Hostage-Takers (4.00 / 9)
There's simply no two ways about it.

There were other ways to do this.  But they weren't even given the time of day.  Wall Street threatened to destroy Main Street if we didn't bail out their sorry asses, and "bipartisanship" carried the day.

If that's not morally bankrupt, then neither morality nor bankruptcy have any meaning at all.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Straw that broke the camel's back? (4.00 / 1)
I understand the outrage about this bill, but I am surprised at the vehemence displayed especially towards Obama on what is by necessity a political move.

We are smack dab in the middle of a health care crisis and unlike the financial crisis people have already died and many others have been bankrupted and yet the majority of people in the blogosphere have been apologists for the weak-kneed proposals of Obama and Clinton during the past year.  The claim is that there isn't the political will or enough backing to pass single-payer health care which is the preferred method of all the other major economic powers.  People were quick to cave on that, yet now people are going apeshit over this bill which is mostly being passed because it is the only option that has any political chance of happening.  While I wish a real progressive bill could pass, to think it would is silly and even sillier when compared to the situation presented by those realists who say single payer can't happen even with a Democratic president and Congress.

How is this bill any more morally bankrupt than not pushing single-payer healthcare which everyone was quick to drop given the 'political realities', when that crisis has already killed people and helped kill our economy?  The current political realities are much more dire and unfavorable.  We have an election in a month, whose results are still in doubt.  We have a credit crisis that has the potential, I'll reiterate 'has the potential', to completely crash our economy. We have a reckless president and enough Senate Republicans to shitcan anything that has the whiff of fairness. And last but not least we have a Democratic party that is mostly centrist and still tied firmly with one hand to Wall Street due to the spectre of the DLC.  Ok, I guess I can see this as the straw that broke the camel's back for some, but looking at the realities of this situation it seems like an odd place for staking out battle lines especially against our own party considering what has happened over the past 8 years!


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Who Said It Was??? (4.00 / 1)
How is this bill any more morally bankrupt than not pushing single-payer healthcare

There's plenty of moral bankruptcy to go around.

Just like the fiscal bankruptcy on Wall Street: it's a systemic problem, not an individual or institutional one.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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I don't think it's morally bankrupt (0.00 / 0)
Even if you grant that other ways of doing this would work (ie politically AND economically feasible), Obama only has to honestly believe that they would not work to make this bill morally defensible.

If he's talked with Henry Paulson and Paulson has made Obama believe that he'll do the right thing with the public money -- by which I mean deploy the money at all times with the goal of getting people to start lending again and not, I don't know, scratching the back of Wall Street cronies, dispersing cash to them so that they can retain their houses -- then then buying the bad assets doesn't strike me as a bad way to approach this thing at all.

Even if it doesn't get the credit markets properly juiced, there remains the possibility that those assets may be worth something down the road, thus reducing the net expense of the attempt. And if this doesn't work, then you've opened the door, politically, to a proper, swedish style nationalization of the banks.  


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Nice Rationalizations (4.00 / 1)
But he's still a cheerleader for the bipartisan panic squad, however much lipstick you want to apply.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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It'll be too late. (4.00 / 4)
By the time Obama is president it'll be too late.  The Money will be gone.  Paulson and Bush will have full authority to blow the whole 700 billion by then.  250 Billion is given to paulson with the bill.  To get another 100 billion he only has to say "I really really need it".  To get the last 350 billion Bush just has to say "He really really needs it" and only a 2/3 majority in congress can stop Bush from saying that.

The whole thing is a giant crock of shit.


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dream on (4.00 / 1)
i would be shocked to see Obama do anything of substance.

yeah, Im pretty annoyed.

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The problem in a nutshell (0.00 / 0)
the vast majority still hate the idea of bailing out Wall Street

And yet it still takes place. With more pork.

When the effect of a bill is uncertain, shouldn't the government defer to the People?

We are in a pre-revolutionary phase. Washington is Versailles. Soon the people will act and the center will not hold.


Agree (4.00 / 2)
Looking at the five foreclosed houses on my block and others abandoned due to mortgage fraud, the ever ready drug dealers moving in, the people who have lost family members to treatable cancers because they couldn't afford even the first doctor visit, the children going to school without a decent meal, the women on the streets because they reached the end of their welfare benefits (thank you Bill Clinton), the lack of access to the basics in life- I agree with this view.

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And to think (0.00 / 0)
we haven't even begun...

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"Mobilizing popular anger" (0.00 / 0)
Is this really the Obama M.O.? As a Democrat, Obama benefits from popular anger at the Republicans, but his campaign and speaking style encourages people to get beyond being angry. (Some of the more recent negative ads might speak to anger, I don't remember.)

Paul is right to say that Obama almost certainly felt he had to support this because there was bipartisan support for it. However, it is also possible that he believed Paulson, even if he asked all those questions in the meeting, because on the economy he is not an expert. This would mean that he will continue to believe in regulations for the future even if he was afraid that there was a real emergency now.

The Reich post was very welcome because there was someone with unquestioned populist credentials, who has met Obama, who was, relatively speaking, not hyperventilating. Neither was Jerome, who diagnosed the "Anglo Disease" and is taking the long view. I suppose it is possible that a Republican Party more influenced by the Club for Growth from being in the political wilderness could convince the people that their economic woes are all because of not enough free markets in 2010(Ian wrote that the Republicans will take back the House in comments). But two years may not be long enough. The pressure is all on Democrats in very bad economic times to do something to regain their New Deal credentials.  


Yes, I should have said that on Ian's post (0.00 / 0)
It doesn't matter that it was conventional that I swore up and down that Joe Lieberman would not be the VP. I was right.  

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Mobilise the anger anyway (0.00 / 0)
Either he will take it and run with it, or he'll be stupid, try to fight it and get savaged by it. But even in that case it'd be a long-term net win for progressive-populism as a) any failures by Obama would not become our fault b) progressives in Congress would have an easier time opposing Obama and c) we'd prevent the Republicans seizing the anger.

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Can one "win a war" without winning ANY battles? (4.00 / 1)


"It's real, but it ain't exactly there."

Yes, We Can! (Win A War Without Winning Any Battles) (4.00 / 3)
Actually, guerrilla wars fought against outside armies have a very high success rate, despite the fact that they win hardly any battles.  It's simply a matter of wearing down the will to fight.

Our own Revolutionary War was an excellent example of this.  Sure, we won a few battles here and there, but the British won the vast majority of them.  It didn't matter.  They still lost the war.

I don't know for certain if there's any historical example in which the guerrillas lost every battle (how big does an incident have to be to qualify as a "battle"?), but the clear historical record tells us that there's no logical reason why this can't happen.  So the answer to your question is "yes."


But, of course, that's not the issue before us.  What Reich is aruing--and so am I--is that losing this battle now need not predetermine the battles to come in 2009.  A lot depends on how we dig in and continue to fight--including how we frame the battles to come and who's responsible for the dire straits we find ourselves in today.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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I was being a smart ass and posing a koan-like question (0.00 / 0)
I tend to agree with your basic argument, which is pretty much the root of pragmatism, but how many times does this argument work? Not that you , yourself, have argued away the lost battles of the Democratic Party with these words in the past concerning FISA, or AUMF, or impeachment, or the shenanigans of Gonzales, or of Brownie, or of...well, you get the picture (Hell, you could PAINT the picture!)

I mean, even "freedom fighters" have to win SOMETHING, somewhere along the line, right? Is it possible to lose one's way to victory?

Maybe Don Rumsfeld is better qualified to answer this.


"It's real, but it ain't exactly there."


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I Sorta Knew That (4.00 / 1)
But I find it hard to pass up an opportunity to make this anti-imperialist point.  Particularly since wingnuts are so in love with the argument that the VC "lost" the Tet Offensive, and therefore we had "won" the Vietnam War at the very moment that the left snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Also, the use of this reference frame is very much intended to distinguish my brand of pragmatism from the DLC variety.

In the same sense, Nat Turner, Denmark Vessey and Gabriel Prosser, etc. were simultaneously great idealists and great pragmatists in the leading their slave rebellions.  If not for the seeds they panted, we could still have slavery today.

In short, the whole "pragmatist/idealist" trope as commonly used is simply a way of confusing matters and distracting from the larger moral and historical framework in which we live.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Always willing to be your foil (0.00 / 0)


"It's real, but it ain't exactly there."

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CNBC (voice of the market) Poll: What's the Worst Part of the Senate Bailout (0.00 / 0)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26991718

even the wall st pundits are lining up against this thing in significant numbers. not even wall st is ramming this down our throat in unison. I bet Obama's poll numbers, along with McIdiot and UselessCongress all go down. bunch of fuck ups.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


Goldman sachs (4.00 / 1)
I think that goldmansachs needs to be made an example of after all of this is over.

IE basically make the case that Republicans-> Goldmansachs-> untrustworthy on anything.

Making sure that its reputation is damaged the same way walmarts has been damaged is is an essential part of keeping this from happening again.  


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It's Worth Asking (4.00 / 3)
if Paulson's allegience to G-S played a role in tanking Lehman Bros, and if this narrow-mindedness made things worse all around.

There is simply no question you can ask at this point that is too cynical.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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