In Evinco, Veritas

by: Daniel De Groot

Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 17:22


(In defeat, truthfulness) It is instructive watching the conservative movement suffer a second crushing defeat in 2 years.  Losing has become a crucible where anyone who hasn't been paying attention should see the ugly truth about conservativism laid bare.  I well remember election night, 2004.  I watched the results at a Democrats Abroad event here in Toronto.  When Ohio looked well beyond reach of any reasonable recount effort, there was palpable disappointment in the room.  We drifted out, back home.  I remember one woman's parting comment to me (a total stranger) "Oh well, we'll get 'em next time."  And that was it.  The people had decided on Bush, and nothing for it but to wait for 2008 in her mind.  Well let's take a look at how each side has faced near-certain defeat over the years:
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Walter Mondale, losing badly to Ronald Reagan in October, 1984:


Walter F. Mondale challenged President Reagan late today to pledge his full commitment to Social Security and Medicare and said Mr. Reagan had failed to keep promises four years ago to continue the programs intact.

Meanwhile, what was Reagan doing while crusing to victory?


In their debate Sunday, the President chided his Democratic rival about a campaign commercial that Mr. Reagan said was filmed on the aircraft carrier Nimitz, which Mr. Mondale opposed while in the Senate.

Mr. Reagan said that if Mr. Mondale ''had had his way while the Nimitz was being planned, he would have been deep in the water out there, because there wouldn't have been any Nimitz to stand on.''

Mondale aides said today that the advertisement was filmed aboard the aircraft carrier Midway, commissioned in September 1945.

Obviously not a big incident, but pretty representative.  Mondale wants to talk about Social Security, and Reagan is busy making up trivia that might be embarrassing to Mondale if it were true.

Michael Dukakis, late October 1988:


In an unusual 90-minute television interview, Gov. Michael S. Dukakis bitterly criticized his opponent's political tactics today and expressed confidence that his Presidential campaign message was finally getting through to American voters.

''Perhaps I responded too late'' to Vice President Bush's attacks, Mr. Dukakis told Ted Koppel of ABC News, who came to Denver for the interview. ''Perhaps I should have been out there attacking or counter-attacking from the beginning,'' he said.

''But I think it's clear they've run that kind of campaign deliberately,'' Mr. Dukakis said. ''They questioned my patriotism, they questioned my wife's patriotism, they questioned my health, and that kind of thing has made this a tough and difficult campaign.''

I picked these two, because they both went down to large defeats, and it was obvious they were losing by this portion of the campaign.  Gore and Kerry didn't fit because neither was certain to lose in the weeks up to the election.  What I'm looking at here is how the movements react to approaching doom.  

As for Mondale and Dukakis, both seemed intent on running issue-based campaigns to the end.  History hasn't been kind to either of them so far as electoral tactics and strategy, but neither man surrendered his dignity in the process of losing.  I'm sure someone could dig up a below the belt shot taken by either toward the end, but in fairness that would not represent the substance of their late campaigns akin to what we are seeing from McCain.

Now let's see what happens when the conservative movement loses.  Let's try October 1992:


The Bush campaign began broadcasting three new commercials in local markets yesterday; [...]

PRODUCER The November Company. TELEVISION SCRIPT Man No. 1: "If you're going to be President you have to be honest."

Man No. 2: "Bill Clinton hasn't been telling anything honestly to the American people."

Woman No. 1: "The man just tells people what they want to hear."

Man No. 2: "About dodging the draft."

Woman No. 2: "I think he's full of hot air."

Man No. 3: "I wouldn't trust him at all to be Commander in Chief."

Woman No. 3: "I think that there's a pattern, and I just don't trust Bill Clinton."

Woman No. 4: "I don't think he's honorable. I don't think he's trustworthy."

Man No. 4: "You can't have a President who says one thing and does another."

Woman No. 4: "Scares me. He worries me. You know, and he'll just go one way or another."

And some more:


The offensive followed the pattern set by the Bush campaign's earlier handling of Mr. Clinton's draft record: a common political tactic of gathering damaging information about an opponent and making it public initially through surrogates. This generates the news coverage the campaign is seeking, and it allows the candidate to say that he is merely responding to questions that are already in public discussion. (This would be "Cokie's Law" - Dan)

Mr. Bush, pressed by Republican lawmakers at a breakfast on Tuesday to be much tougher in his comments on the draft and related issues, signaled today that he intended to continue attacking Mr. Clinton over his antiwar activities. Republicans hope the issue will haunt Mr. Clinton at the first Presidential debate on Sunday night, just as the Clinton team hopes that by raising questions about Mr. Bush's Iraq policy and the Iran-contra scandal now, those issues will come up in the debate.

Mr. Bush might feel uncomfortable about raising Mr. Clinton's antiwar activities himself at the debate. But they are the sort of issue that Bush aides think might be raised by the panel of reporters that they insisted be included in two of the debates. "We're urgently trying to find out everything we can" about Mr. Clinton's past, a Bush aide said today.

Classy stuff from elder stateman HW Bush.  Care to try again Herb?


President Bush used an unscheduled appearance on a live broadcast from the White House today to renew his attack on Gov. Bill Clinton's activities during the Vietnam War years and to raise questions about his ability to serve as President because of his antiwar activities.

Mr. Bush pressed his offensive in a moment of political theater played out on breakfast television. He strolled, as if casually, into the Blue Room of the White House as Katie Couric, the co-host of the NBC program "Today," was interviewing Barbara Bush about White House history and furnishings.
[...]
The President spent about half his time talking about the Vietnam years, trying to counter accusations that he was questioning Mr. Clinton's patriotism. And he offered a rebuttal to Mr. Clinton's effort at the debate Sunday night to turn the tables on Mr. Bush by accusing him of McCarthy-like tactics and reminding him that his father, Senator Prescott Bush, had stood against Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. Continuing to Press Attack

Transparent stunt?  Check.  Character assaults based on decades old information?  Check.  Desperate and undignified?  Yup.  We can see almost literally the same pattern here:  Republican candidate losing, comes under increasing pressure from the party to go increasingly negative and does so over more and more trivial character issues using a series of escalating campaign tactics that devolve into gross comedy clumsy stunts to get the media to talk about some silly foible of the Democratic candidate's past.  

McCain is a bit worse than usual, but mostly because these tactics when applied to a black candidate bring out even more hatred from the conservative base than when applied to white dudes like Mondale or Clinton.  Mondale and Dukakis got to fade from public consciousness because they lost, while Bill Clinton became target for a coup d'etat by lies.  What will President Obama face?

As Nobel laureate (heh) Paul Krugman notes:


What it came down to was that a significant fraction of the American population, backed by a lot of money and political influence, simply does not consider government by liberals (even very moderate liberals) legitimate. Ronald Reagan was supposed to have settled that once and for all.

What happens when Obama is elected? It will be even worse than it was in the Clinton years. For sure there will be crazy accusations, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some violence.

They have no compunctions because they are not small-d democrats.  They tolerated the 2006 loss because they were able to convince themselves it was just bad luck of Iraq going poorly and Foley-gate.  They told themselves they lost for not being conservative enough.  Now they are losing again.  But again, they will fill their heads with tales of voter fraud, and nefarious schemes involving William Buffet, George Soros and the Kenyan government.  They will talk of McCain's deviations from conservative dogma on mortgages and his past sins on campaign finance and immigration.  For congress, the bailout and the Bush administration's willingness to nationalize will be the target.  

And they will go far beyond shouting "traitor" to stop the terrorist consorting illegitimate secret muslim who was not born in the US from fulfilling his term in office.  I only hope Obama is willing to welcome their hatred and make use of it.  Bill Clinton mostly parried it, but the environment is now open for a vigorous rhetorical counter attack on the authoritarian right.  We don't have to take their shit anymore.


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What this really shows... (0.00 / 0)
Is that winning or losing, Republicans run dishonest, malevolent campaigns while Democrats try to run campaigns on the issues.

I think one more thing to take away (4.00 / 1)
Is that Republican's tend to respond to character while democrats respond to issues.

One of the reasons why obama is winning is that he puts as much thought into style as he does into substance.

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There's a part of me that would kind of welcome this (4.00 / 2)
Let them stew and fume and blow up for four years, and then o and try to run Palin, or Tancredo, or some other 'pure' conservative against Obama in 2012.  And watch as that person gets defeated on a scale not seen since Johnson vs. Goldwater.

Barry's Boys ended up running the country (0.00 / 0)
And I don't mean Hillary Clinton.

[ Parent ]
I hope if Obama wins he sets up Fight the Smears (4.00 / 3)
as a permanent White House operation. The Repub whining, bitterness and attacks and revenge hunting will be more than any other presidency. The Secret Service will have to grow five times bigger to catch all the death threats.

The Repubs during the Clinton years kept up smear and lie pressure constantly until they created an impeachable offense. They will repeat it for Obama, if they can't trip him up they'll lie and make up something and try to make it stick.

IF we win, the campaign will not stop, Obama will need the support of all Dems to make progress against the shitstorm.


One huge difference with the Clinton years: (4.00 / 4)
They won't have the votes to create a multimillion dollar witch hunt by abusing the special prosecutor law, nor will they have the power to schedule congressional hearings on aa series of nonissues.

vigilance will be necessary, but they won't be in ascendancy like they were during the '90s.


[ Parent ]
you're right--they can't harass Obama through legislative means (4.00 / 2)
but that means they're going to resort to violence and terrorism to get their way.

Thanks to the McCain/Palin campaign, we have seen that there is a significant portion of the country that will view Obama as an illegitimate president on the basis of his skin color alone. Their rage will not disappear with electoral defeat, and Obama's presidency will serve as a lightning rod for them to organize and attain mass support.

Right-wing violence is not a thing of the distant past. Even during the relatively peaceful and prosperous 90s, there were a number of clinic bombings traced to anti-abortion zealots.

We are in more danger than we were then, especially since the economy is now about to collapse in a big way.


[ Parent ]
The racist wingnuts will explode. (4.00 / 1)
Obama's election will be the final nail in the coffin of any claim to legitimacy of the racist right-wingers and their white-supremacist attitudes. Once America decisively chooses a black man to the highest position in the country, it will be a plain statement to the racists that their hatred is not acceptable, is not mainstream, is not representative of the nation. And I think it's very possible that this will enrage these vermin and even cause them to explode in desperate violence.

We've seen it again and again. When progress overtakes the haters and threatens to sideline them, they resort to extreme measures. To them, a whole way of life and world view is gradually being eroded into irrelevance.

These are ignorant, pig-headed people who will not, cannot EVER admit to being on the wrong side of any issue, who won't admit reality even when their faces are shoved into it. And people who are deeply in denial tend to react with anger and hostility, even violence, when cornered by truth.

It's gonna get a lot uglier before it gets better.


[ Parent ]
i watched david frum (4.00 / 1)
on the maddow show (msnbc) last night, what a wimp, now he wants to have a debate about issues and stop the unprofessional campaigning and attacks, getting his butt kicked seems to have turned frummy into a pathetic little cry baby, i don't remember this attitude when the gop was slandering kerry and gore, oh, i forgot, it was working for them then, that was then, this is now, suck it up and take your medicine like the man you wished you were davey boy.  

on behalf of Canada (4.00 / 3)
We're sorry about Frum.  His mom was supposedly quite nice.  She even worked for our socialist media (CBC).

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well, it's not like Reagan could run (4.00 / 4)
on his plan to sell arms to Iran to fund the Contras illegally and get terrorists' hostages released.


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I wonder to what extent this works, (0.00 / 0)
not to close the current election, but to keep the Republican base and independents vigilant for the slightest mis-step by the soon to be Democratic incumbent, keep them angry (base) or  suspicious (independents) for the midterm.

Prescott Bush opposed McCarthy? (0.00 / 0)
after being a partner in the junta that attempted to overthrow FDR in 32? These folks are crazier than I thought. DUBYA comes by his insanity honestly.

Maybe he knew McCarthy was gay?

Anyway, I've seen campaigns myself since 64. The Dems have dealt a low blow or two (remember the Johnson ad in 64?) but it's chronic and critical with the GOP. It's just what happens when you can't run on your politics because you know most Americans don't agree with you.


Dukakis (4.00 / 1)
Don't forget:

Michael Dukakis: Good evening. I'm Michael Dukakis. The Democratic candidate for President of the United States. Now, several months ago when we purchased this half-hour of television time, we planned to use it as a last-minute appeal to undecided voters. But.. quite frankly.. after meeting with my advisors, and seeing the latest polls, it's clear to me - and it would be clear to anyone - that I don't have a chinaman's chance of winning this election. I'm gonna be beaten. Badly beaten. And I see no reason to sit here tonight and pretend otherwise. However, I've got thirty minutes of prepaid, non-refundable network time. Now, I could sit here, give you thesame old song-and-dance about "good jobs with good wages", and "the best Ameroca is yet to come".. blah, blah, blah, blah! But if you haven't bought it by now, why bother? So, instead of speeches, I've decided to throw a party, for everyone involved with the campaign. It's a good party. A fun party. And you're invited. After all, the federal matching funds - you paid for half of it! So come on in.
:-)

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